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Stillriledup
12-15-2014, 10:22 PM
If the Heisman winner is the best college player, why don't they always get drafted in the top 2 or 3?

If the Heisman winner is NOT the best player and gets drafted late in the top 10 or even falls out of the first round, why doesn't the "actual best player" win the award....that would probably be one of the top 3 selections. (technically the 2nd best overall player could go 1st overall if he's filling a need, etc so the #1 pick might not always be the actual best player)

Wouldn't the Heisman have more credibility if they awarded the actual best player and not some guy who is destined to be drafted 20th overall?

Valuist
12-15-2014, 10:33 PM
The Heisman is supposed to be about who had the best season. That often doesn't equate to who is the most NFL ready.

MVP awards are never supposed to be about talent. We could just give Lebron, Trout and Peyton the MVP before the season starts. They have to be earned.

Overlay
12-15-2014, 11:14 PM
If the Heisman winner is the best college player, why don't they always get drafted in the top 2 or 3?

If the Heisman winner is NOT the best player and gets drafted late in the top 10 or even falls out of the first round, why doesn't the "actual best player" win the award....that would probably be one of the top 3 selections. (technically the 2nd best overall player could go 1st overall if he's filling a need, etc so the #1 pick might not always be the actual best player)

Wouldn't the Heisman have more credibility if they awarded the actual best player and not some guy who is destined to be drafted 20th overall?
Considering factors such as you mentioned (for example, a team drafting to fill a need at a specific position rather than going for the best overall talent), how can the Heisman selection committee members predict how far down in the draft a Heisman candidate or winner will be picked, or how can they allow that consideration to affect their decision? Or what if the candidate/winner is not a senior and decides to play another year in college?

Also, would it give the award more credibility even if the "best" player (by whatever criteria you would choose) would win the award, and get drafted as the first or second overall selection, but then be a bust in the pros, as some hyped overall first picks have been?

cj
12-16-2014, 08:40 AM
Heisman has turned into the best player at a skill position on a really good team award, which eliminates 99% of the players.

Spiderman
12-16-2014, 08:55 AM
A first pick is determined by the team's need, offense or defense. If a team is satisfied with current backfield, they may opt to improve the defense side. Other factors include available players to gain in a trade. An excellent film on the topic is "Draft Pick" which is available on dvd.

Spiderman
12-16-2014, 09:55 AM
A first pick is determined by the team's need, offense or defense. If a team is satisfied with current backfield, they may opt to improve the defense side. Other factors include available players to gain in a trade. An excellent film on the topic is "Draft Day" which is available on dvd.

Correct title is "Draft Day"

Stillriledup
12-16-2014, 04:21 PM
McCarron, the guy with the ridiculously hot out of his league wife, was runner up for Heisman and was almost not drafted.

cj
12-16-2014, 06:22 PM
McCarron, the guy with the ridiculously hot out of his league wife, was runner up for Heisman and was almost not drafted.

Exactly what I was saying, the Heisman isn't the best player these days, if it ever was.