KO blackjack count - Is it any good?

[DeltaLover]

I know that some of the posters here in PA, have experience with black jack and card counting, which is something that personally I do not have. Although in the past I had written some simulations, mainly to prove Thorp, Rivere and Uston claims, I have never taken the game seriously, although I can see that from all the casino games, it is the only one with the potential to be beaten...

At this point, I am reading KO black jack, for which I will write some simulators to verify what the author teaches...

I am curious to see, if anyone here has ever tried this count and what is his experiences with it...

[SuitedAces]

Yes, I have Knockout Blackjack by Olaf Vancura, Phd and Ken Fuchs. Also have Modern Card Counting by Cris Statz and The Color of Blackjack by Daniel Dravot.

My experience is very very limited. But will be attentive to this thread.

Will be very interested in your pursuit of this subject. What do you mean by simulators?

David

[DeltaLover]

What do you mean by simulators?
David

A program to verify the claims of the author about the profitability of his count

[bugboy]

If ya get the chance, read "blackjack attack"

[_______]

I'm lazy. And I'm not a quant.

Why would I want to cross swords with a large corporation that sets the rules of the game (betting against the house). They've read the same book. And I guarantee they employ smarter people that most of us to analyze whatever holes there are in their rules.

What is the argument in favor of playing this game vs. one where the house takes a cut but I get to play against random idiots (hopefully).

It just seems like an awful lot of work when poker (for me) and horse racing (for others) offers an easier path.

[Robert Fischer]

What is the argument

Theoretically there could be some holes when offering a house-game designed to offer the "general public" reasonably attractive odds.

I don't know anything about cards.

[Robert Goren]

Let me assure that the method you use to count cards will be the least of your worries if you decide to take card counting to a casino on a regular basis.

[lansdale]

I know that some of the posters here in PA, have experience with black jack and card counting, which is something that personally I do not have. Although in the past I had written some simulations, mainly to prove Thorp, Rivere and Uston claims, I have never taken the game seriously, although I can see that from all the casino games, it is the only one with the potential to be beaten...

At this point, I am reading KO black jack, for which I will write some simulators to verify what the author teaches...

I am curious to see, if anyone here has ever tried this count and what is his experiences with it...

Hi DL,

You might remember we had a long thread about BJ in which you made many posts. I answered many questions, some about KO. Below, I've linked a relevant page from that thread.

After reading many of your posts on this site, it seems to me that you ask many of the same questions about various gambling subjects over and over. I wonder why?


http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105537&page=5&pp=15&highlight=blackjack+lansdale

[_______]

Let me assure that the method you use to count cards will be the least of your worries if you decide to take card counting to a casino on a regular basis.

Exactly. I don't need to wear a disguise or bring friends with me to beat poker.

It just seems like this is a method for the .01% who have both the ability and desire to put in the effort needed.

You have to beat a very good opponent in blackjack. You have to pay a fee and then can (to some degree) choose the level of your opponent in poker.

Lazy people like me don't need the hassle. That's also why after years of tracking my results, I gave up on horse racing other than the TC and BC.

[Clocker]

I know that some of the posters here in PA, have experience with black jack and card counting, which is something that personally I do not have. Although in the past I had written some simulations, mainly to prove Thorp, Rivere and Uston claims, I have never taken the game seriously, although I can see that from all the casino games, it is the only one with the potential to be beaten...

At this point, I am reading KO black jack, for which I will write some simulators to verify what the author teaches...

I am curious to see, if anyone here has ever tried this count and what is his experiences with it...

It has been some time since I played the game. I read that book long ago, but as I remember, I switched to the Hi-Lo method, which most players seem to prefer. It's alll in the hazy past. There are some short descriptions of the major books HERE. (http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/book-reviews/blackjack/)

If you are new to the game, you might want to search the works of Stanford Wong and Arnold Snyder. Both have done a lot of analysis of the game, and last I heard, both had web sites with forums.

[sammy the sage]

Most places are going to the NEW card shuffler that reshuffles 5/6 decks AT a time for EVERY hand...thereby nullifying any counting advantage...

[thaskalos]

Most places are going to the NEW card shuffler that reshuffles 5/6 decks AT a time for EVERY hand...thereby nullifying any counting advantage...
Luckily, I got a killer progressive-betting system. :ThmbUp:

[DeltaLover]

Hi DL,
After reading many of your posts on this site, it seems to me that you ask many of the same questions about various gambling subjects over and over. I wonder why?


Repetitio est mater studiorum

[DeltaLover]

Author of KO claims an advantage of less than 1% when playing perfectly.

For example for the KO-preferred Strategy Matrix, eight decks game (which is typical in East Coast casino) and 1 – 5 spread, he claims and advantage of 0.22 (of the 1 %).

I think that this kind of an advantage is very low and can not derive any meaningful profits under real world conditions. The sample applies for the even more idealized situation of six decks and 1 – 10 spread which he claims to have a 0.66 advantage.

My question is very specific:

Has anyone been able to verify these results?

Has anyone been able to show some real profits using this method?


(I am not asking for stories, opinions, or where the game is going with its new regulations and auto shuffling machines)

[lansdale]

Author of KO claims an advantage of less than 1% when playing perfectly.

For example for the KO-preferred Strategy Matrix, eight decks game (which is typical in East Coast casino) and 1 – 5 spread, he claims and advantage of 0.22 (of the 1 %).

I think that this kind of an advantage is very low and can not derive any meaningful profits under real world conditions. The sample applies for the even more idealized situation of six decks and 1 – 10 spread which he claims to have a 0.66 advantage.

My question is very specific:

Has anyone been able to verify these results?



Has anyone been able to show some real profits using this method?


(I am not asking for stories, opinions, or where the game is going with its new regulations and auto shuffling machines)

I don't understand what the deal is with you. As I said, I've seen many people give you answers to your questions here, and then you either ignoring or forgetting what they told you. It suggests someone self-absorbed, capricious - possibly even delusional. All the answers to your questions are in my links in the thread I linked above. If you follow them, you'll find all the information you would need to play blackjack successfully. All the people I know who have succeeded in doing something as difficult as gambling professionally have had a high degree of motivation, focus, and concentration in addition to their native talents. Do you?