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letswastemoney
10-09-2014, 07:34 PM
I'm going to write down my notes for this now and come back to it later when it gets closer to the race.

Disagreements are welcome.

BRIS PPs (http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewer.php?track=SA&race=7&param1=780&param2=4550&param3=1170134)

1) She's a Big Winner - Only cost 80k, and this is a maiden special weight where more expensive horses normally run. Peter Eurton doesn't generally crank them for their first start. Bellamy Road is probably a route sire. On the positive side, the worktab looks very good.

2) Midnight Miley - Only cost 45k. Midnight Lute generally make good sprinters, and this is a 7 furlong race. Mike Puype doesn't like to crank them early either. Prefer to watch for now.

3) So You Say - Cost 250k and trained by Baffert. But, she's had three starts and none of them look that great. She may need to switch to a route race.

4) Autumn Flower - Sired by Flower Alley. Pass.

5) Miss Centerfold - Cost 400k. Sired by Tiznow, who generally fails with first time starters. The dam Foxy Danseur is a name that sounds familiar, even without researching. She won over 340k in her career, but failed to break her maiden until her fifth start. At least her maiden win came in a sprint. Prefer to watch for now.

6) She's Reddy - No lasix for this Eoin Harty third time starter, which is frustrating if you like her to win. That last start on polytrack wasn't terrible. This is dirt though. The dam Talega never won a race. The second dam My Room never started. Sire Mutakddim raced exclusively overseas. I'm going to assume this is a route pedigree.

7) One Gun - Failed as the favorite in debut. But, she worked nicely heading into the race and now gets blinkers. Her dam Necessary Evil was truly a precocious type, winning her first two starts, including the Hollywood Juvenile Championship versus males, before going bad in her fourth start at Del Mar and retiring. The pick, and this will be the final time I pick her if she fails on Sunday.

8) Hennythelovepenny - Lost two maiden claimers at Del Mar, a bad sign going into this straight maiden race. The dirt may help her. Prefer to pass anyway.

9) Fateer - Thank God there are two Baffert trained fillies in this race. This one had two chances, one on dirt and one on polytrack, and displayed nothing in each race. Maybe she needs more time or distance. The dam Tamar never won until her third start, so a glimmer of hope exists. Still prefer to pass.

10) I Heart You - Only cost 60k and failed in a maiden claimer at Del Mar, AND got claimed out of the Jerry Hollendorfer barn into an unheard of trainer. The trifecta of failure.

11) Scandal - Cost 240k. This Blame sired sister to Spot might turn out as a nice one. Richard Mandella does not generally crank them for their first start though, and even Spot lost a few times before winning. Blame was a strong route horse in his career, so maybe this one needs more time to grow and distance.

Selection: One Gun

As for how I'll play it...I'll come back to this later and figure that out.

johnhannibalsmith
10-10-2014, 12:42 AM
1) She's a Big Winner - There's a lot about this gray filly that I like on paper. The works individually and as something of a composition are great. But my first little hangup starts there - EQB shows one fewer work than the BRIS PPs and I'm going to assume that the slow 3/8 showing as first on the tab was the first real breeze. By California standards for a seven-eighths maiden allowance, if that is the case, it seems like maybe a bit of a rush. It's a rough knock for me to make because I think those gratuitously long works one after another generally do little for a debut except dull a fit horse. Just an observation looking for knocks though. The big one for me is rail draw. It matters less here with a good gate crew, but sorry, it's old school but it has served me well - I need a lot of good reasons to take a firster from the rail unless I've seen something with my own eyes. This one has the look of one that may be fast from the pole, get left a bit from the inside, grab a hold, end up in a jackpot early burning needed energy. As much as I like this one in black and white on paper, when I start seeing it in more technicolor this one seems like one I'd take at outrageous odds, use at respectable odds, and ignore entirely if it was bet like a winner.

2) Midnight Miley - Not much to get the heart pounding at a glance. Worktab seems ordinary enough, like they decided at some point to just get fit and run since it seemed to be as good as it got. Like the connections enough but not the kind of firster that grabs the eye in print.

3) So You Say - I think you summed it up well. This one probably takes money because that solid wilt job into third in the middle of the PPs makes the surrounding two just seem better than they are for some reason, but you have to figure one of these others can run a little.

4) Autumn Flower - Has never shown a lot of sizzle on the worktab and enters a seven furlong debut with three consecutive loping three-quarter works. Looks like they want to try to beat someone with fitness and expect one of those nothing early, pass a few staggering horses late or on the gallop out and call it some sort of success.

5) Miss Centerfold - I should really pay more attention to Cal racing these days but if my intuition of what a Hollendorf firster with some moves generally shows on paper before the debut... I seem to remember thinking they'd work a little. This one looks like an exaggeration of my previous commentary - there's just got to be some talent buried there, so we'll focus on being dead ass fit and hope that talent shows up finally in some form and beat them with a combo of both. I suspect this one gets bet, but not as much as it would if it could run.

6) She's Reddy - I've got to admit that I like this one for some reason and I think it is just because I am trying already much to hard to sniff out the sneaky value in a race with some obvious players that to me look a little counterfeit. You can kind of draw a line through the first race if it helps since she just missed the start and never got into it, then the route race was solid. It seemed that she worked better in the interim after the debut and it showed somewhat anyway. Since that race she has again seemed to pick it up with steady good works and a sprinkle of sharp works. I don't adore the connections, but this is a move I like and a move that they seem to do well. Turning back off a route with some more good works in a race with what appears to be a small package of semi-cheap speed and firsters trapped at the rail and being trained to debut at fifteen furlongs - she may just be at the epicenter of a magic moment.

7) One Gun - I think you make a good call. I want to talk myself off of her because she looks that logical - and when these ones get bet and then get beat in the debut and the connections try this hard to make up for the second time around (I mean it looks like they've been making as many boxes as they can dream up checks for to get every base covered) - they either win big at short odds or the connections go back to the barn wondering loudly and with less money why the horse hates them so much. Either way, I'm thinking I have to concede she's the one to beat and the one against your value is measured.

8) Hennythelovepenny - I get a little bit of the opposite vibe with this than with the last. I love to overthink and wander on mental tangents and usually I manage to filter out most of the gibberish, but when I saw Trujillo on the Hollendorf firster that I casually dismissed without a clue - I kind of saw the entering and motive here a little differently. This kind of seems like one of those maybe a hustle job, maybe the horse was doing so well that it was a back-of-the-mind notion to enter and poking around he got wind of who the tough one was and which one is Baffert got in there, who are the firsters?... screw it, put her in there, that ain't much of a maiden allowance and she's back to where we thought she was for the debut when we emptied our pockets.

9) Fateer - If I could wager on horse racing at my convenience and without devoting a day's effort to getting it done, I would keep an eye on the price on this one. She's never taken a lot of action yet shown a little something in each of her starts despite early trouble. The instinct is to treat that sort of ray of hope and trouble as insight into what might be, when what might be is just a bad breaking plodder. Still, third start, mediocre field, decent efforts with trouble for top shelf connections - the sort of horse that if it does win and pay $16.80, you wonder why you breezed by her dismissively .

10) I Heart You - Got bet like a sure thing and without looking I'm actually going to side with the possibility that it was a default favoritism based on the other competition. If I was really interested in betting I'd go dig through the charts and the claim list to see if it was a 200 way shake or something like that but given the result and the barn switch and the storyline running through my head I'm going to assume the worst and deal with it if I'm assuming wrong.

11) Scandal - For some reason I see Mandella and first time starter and think this one will have to be much the best to run off first time out. I don't see much to support the likelihood of Scandal being a bear on paper, but I'm not sure it would require being even a polar on the bear chart of superiority. Outside chance and at a huge price a maybe, but doubtful that is the case so just seems like one you use if you can and toss if you must, but can't key around.

Selection: She's Reddy. (with a supporting nod to One Gun, Hennylovepenny and Fateer)

As for how I'll play it... I won't. And I would have put more effort into this if I were but I figured you put enough effort into the threads and I'm bored enough that I'd keep it going. And I'm sure I'll come up with some fake bets once a couple scratch.

Enjoy you putting these threads together and I rarely look at PPs anywhere but at home any more and need to get out. So this helps me even if I'd probably not play the race itself. Some of the PPs from once regular stops look foreign these days.

cutchemist42
10-10-2014, 11:25 AM
:11: Feel like I would need a biger price for this horse based on trainer.

:9: Nothing stands out in races ran, first time at SA, not sure stretchout to 7 furlongs helpds

:7: Showed some ability in the debut, gets blinkers, and looks to have some good works.

:6: Is interesting having run up close at the route calls and now coming back to a 7furlong.

:3: Showed ability on the front end, got fanned wide in last race so the post position might help this time around.

My pick is the :3:

Robert Fischer
10-10-2014, 12:38 PM
:9: Her stamina edge gives her an edge here.

raybo
10-10-2014, 02:47 PM
The only disagreement that I have is that you seem to be hung up on maiden races with most entries not having run a real race yet. Are you a maiden specialist or just trying to narrow down contenders to only those that have actually run races before?

letswastemoney
10-10-2014, 04:22 PM
The only disagreement that I have is that you seem to be hung up on maiden races with most entries not having run a real race yet. Are you a maiden specialist or just trying to narrow down contenders to only those that have actually run races before?In maiden races with horses that have never run before, I prefer the ones with precocious pedigrees or win early trainers, or a combination. I actually think these are some of the easier races. I have to be somewhat familiar with the pedigrees though, which is usually the case in the maiden races at elite tracks.

For example, if it's a maiden special weight at Remington Park where half the field is sired by some no-name Oklahoma sire, I'm probably not going to bother researching the pedigree. But in an elite track like this, with familiar trainer patterns, and sires, and sometimes dams even, that I grew up watching myself, they can be figured out.

To be honest, a lot of the BRIS blog posts from Doug Salvatore on 2 year old races helped me, but I don't believe you need a professional. You just need the structure of how they do it.

The only extra thing that I wish I had were the workout reports.

letswastemoney
10-10-2014, 04:27 PM
:9: Her stamina edge gives her an edge here.Two positive opinions on :9: . Maybe I should give her some consideration. I just noticed the grandsire is Giant's Causeway, and those are normally route horses.

This one has only had 5.5. furlong sprints on her resume, and she stretches to 7 furlongs here.

Ocala Mike
10-10-2014, 06:53 PM
I like his choice of races; lends itself to analysis of the double betting where, sometimes, hidden value exists (like that :2: horse in the LRL race the other day which got nosed for the place).

Robert Fischer
10-10-2014, 08:10 PM
Two positive opinions on :9: . Maybe I should give her some consideration. I just noticed the grandsire is Giant's Causeway, and those are normally route horses.

This one has only had 5.5. furlong sprints on her resume, and she stretches to 7 furlongs here.

It's a hard race to bet unless you know something about the 5pp and the 11pp.

Both of those fillies are expensive and going for top barns. The 5pp's trainer Hollendorfer is more apt to fire 1st time out , while even though Mandella is too hot to overlook the 11 - he's historically less of a FTS trainer.

letswastemoney
10-10-2014, 10:22 PM
It's a hard race to bet unless you know something about the 5pp and the 11pp.

Both of those fillies are expensive and going for top barns. The 5pp's trainer Hollendorfer is more apt to fire 1st time out , while even though Mandella is too hot to overlook the 11 - he's historically less of a FTS trainer.In regards to :5: , these are the stats on Tiznow first time starters:


"Offspring of Tiznow in their career debut:

2014: 2-for-49 (4% wins) $0.35 ROI

2013: 4-for-77 (5% wins) $0.27 ROI

2012: 2-for-57 (4% wins) $0.41 ROI

2011: 6-for-102 (6% wins) $0.63 ROI

2010: 4-for-69 (6% wins) $0.37 ROI"

http://www.twinspires.com/blog/2014/10/3/keeneland-opening-day-juveniles-doug-salvatore

***I guess she can still win, but that's why I'm hesitant. She has a great dam.

letswastemoney
10-10-2014, 10:52 PM
Also, generally I have no idea why a lot of people pick the horses they do. More often than not, we just give out numbers.

By discussing the race and seeing other ideas, I can see a clearer picture even if I don't agree with everything that others think.

Robert Fischer
10-11-2014, 08:41 AM
In regards to :5: , these are the stats on Tiznow first time starters:


"Offspring of Tiznow in their career debut:

2014: 2-for-49 (4% wins) $0.35 ROI

2013: 4-for-77 (5% wins) $0.27 ROI

2012: 2-for-57 (4% wins) $0.41 ROI

2011: 6-for-102 (6% wins) $0.63 ROI

2010: 4-for-69 (6% wins) $0.37 ROI"

http://www.twinspires.com/blog/2014/10/3/keeneland-opening-day-juveniles-doug-salvatore

***I guess she can still win, but that's why I'm hesitant. She has a great dam.


Those are some serious stats! Doug is also one of my favorite Horse Racing writers around. I've literally read Doug Salvatore articles while saying to myself "you're giving too much good info Doug!".

I think a stat like this is something to take note of.

Looking at this individual case, I don't feel that this kind of stat is something that I would use as a dominant factor.

I'd have no problem using something like that as a supporting factor.


This race is just so damn hard. I feel like a sucker trying to bet a race where five of the interesting contenders have never run a race. Then you have the two Baffert horses and I only saw one of the pp9 (the horse I picked) races.

What do I see in this race that the public is going to get wrong, and thus give me a parimutuel advantage?? I don't see anything in this race.
I did like the :9:, but what is that worth?? If she goes off >5-1?? That's probably not even realistic.

Robert Fischer
10-11-2014, 10:14 AM
moar

If we are all as ignorant as I am(limited to the pps, and few races from so-so looking contenders) about this race, I would have no problem going toe-to-toe with all of you guys.

Even if you want to use great stats. (& I'll quickly go back to the stats here, after I ramble on some more)


The problem that I have, is that you are not all as ignorant as me :lol::lol:


There are other people with a ton more insight about this race. There is also a decent probability that there will be money behind it.

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One more look at the stats, because it's still an interesting side-topic:


:5: MISS CENTERFOLD $400K (Kee Sep Yearling) TIZNOWxMR.GREELEY
Hollendorfer FTS (272sts) 28% 54% (+0.29roi$2)
Tiznow FTS (350sts) 5% ?% (-1.60roi$2)


:11: SCANDAL $240K (Kee Sep Yearling) BLAMExQUIETAMERICAN
MandellaFTS (78sts) 6% 31% (-0.56roi$2)

"stats" rundown of 5vs11: Prices and sale date and general quality of pedigree show no significant difference.
:5: MISS CENTERFOLD has a trainer that almost always tries to win FTS, while :11: SCANDAL has a trainer that likely is giving horses time to acclimate gradually(given that Mandella is certainly competent, and high% guy in general -we can rule out any chance of Mandella being incompetent with FTS, and assume a matter of 'intent').
The sire for :5: MISS CENTERFOLD has very poor FTS numbers.

We don't know anything about either of these horses, but in the fictional reality generated from only these statistics, the :11: is the easier of the two to toss, even with the knowledge that Tiznow FTS have performed poorly.

whodoyoulike
10-11-2014, 04:08 PM
moar

If we are all as ignorant as I am(limited to the pps, and few races from so-so looking contenders) about this race, I would have no problem going toe-to-toe with all of you guys.

Even if you want to use great stats. (& I'll quickly go back to the stats here, after I ramble on some more)


The problem that I have, is that you are not all as ignorant as me :lol::lol:


There are other people with a ton more insight about this race. There is also a decent probability that there will be money behind it.

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One more look at the stats, because it's still an interesting side-topic:


:5: MISS CENTERFOLD $400K (Kee Sep Yearling) TIZNOWxMR.GREELEY
Hollendorfer FTS (272sts) 28% 54% (+0.29roi$2)
Tiznow FTS (350sts) 5% ?% (-1.60roi$2)


:11: SCANDAL $240K (Kee Sep Yearling) BLAMExQUIETAMERICAN
MandellaFTS (78sts) 6% 31% (-0.56roi$2)

"stats" rundown of 5vs11: Prices and sale date and general quality of pedigree show no significant difference.
:5: MISS CENTERFOLD has a trainer that almost always tries to win FTS, while :11: SCANDAL has a trainer that likely is giving horses time to acclimate gradually(given that Mandella is certainly competent, and high% guy in general -we can rule out any chance of Mandella being incompetent with FTS, and assume a matter of 'intent').
The sire for :5: MISS CENTERFOLD has very poor FTS numbers.

We don't know anything about either of these horses, but in the fictional reality generated from only these statistics, the :11: is the easier of the two to toss, even with the knowledge that Tiznow FTS have performed poorly.


I like challenges. I don't bet mdn or mcl but, let's see whose horse beats who (doesn't have to be the winner). What do you think? Anyone else want in? Btw, I haven't looked at the PP's yet.

whodoyoulike
10-11-2014, 05:11 PM
Race 7

:3: So You Say - improving in each of her three races (IMO). Baffert trained with Talamo up nice combo. Like the bullet work Sept. 16, then two nice works since then.

Time in 82 +/-.

Only 5 of 11 have raced.

plainolebill
10-12-2014, 01:19 AM
Here's a theory I have about FTS at 7f in Socal = no speed. Plenty of 5.5-6.5 Maiden races so I'm guessing that the firsters are prepping for routes or hoping to run down the earlier runners.

I'm pretty sure Garcia had the option for Baffert's horses and he lands on the 9. On the other hand, Baffert sending these Fillies to Los Al doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in either one. Those LRC Mdn races were pretty weak. Garcia also rode a different Baffert filly in the same race Fateer ran in. :lol:

IMO Talamo sends the 3, Perez is definitely going with the 8. The early types just don't look that speedy and they don't look like they want 7f. Callaghan's filly's :7: last two works have been decent suggesting to me that she's showing more interest with blinkers on and if I had to pick one she would be my choice.

Robert Fischer
10-12-2014, 12:02 PM
Here's a theory I have about FTS at 7f in Socal = no speed. Plenty of 5.5-6.5 Maiden races so I'm guessing that the firsters are prepping for routes or hoping to run down the earlier runners.

That makes sense. Let's see how the firsters run in terms of early speed.



also - Morning Line has been up now - Somewhat interesting to me that the :2: is a 4-1 Morning line.
Seems low for the info that is publicly available. Will be interesting to see how the :2: is actually bet.

Ocala Mike
10-12-2014, 12:50 PM
Very tough race. Early thoughts, subject to revision after I see the D/D will pays:

:10: W/P. Claimed from JH by low-profile connections, sure to be a great price.

:5: :7: :9: :10: exacta box fot the saver.

Lemon Drop Husker
10-12-2014, 01:42 PM
:1: She's A Big Winner sticks out a bit to me. Breeding out of Bellamy Road and Ghostzapper screams speed and the works have shown some of that pedigree. Not the best jock, but has had success with Eurton, and for a horse that is likely looking to send, she doesn't present a challenge to ride. If I can get her at double digit odds of 15/1 or better, she will be a for sure play going against a field that looks to be overrated.

:7: One Gun is going to be overbet. Maybe down to 5/2. The recent works, recent bullet, slight drop in class and a number of other factors point towards her as the easy favorite. I don't like that she didn't gain hardly a step in her first out even while being heavily bet.

The Baffert horses :3: :9: will get action and overbet most likely as well. Not shocking to see nice breeding in Baffert horses, but neither has really shown anything in their combined 5 career starts while also moving up slightly in class.

:11: Scandal looks like she could be a really tough entry. Will probably have to include on top in exotics.

:5: :10: are interesting. Paid a hefty price for the :5: Miss Centerfold, but her works leading in and Tiznow breeding don't scream FTO winner. The :10: I Heart You may well end up being a nice little claim for an unknown. Van Dyke has proven to be an up and coming jockey and there is some patience here before sending her back out against supposedly better. Could prove to be a bomber on the bottom in exotics.

Really tough Maiden race. A ton will depend on the tote board.

TMQ
10-12-2014, 02:31 PM
:9: W/P If she breaks clean, she has a great shot. Zayat and Baffert, enough said.
:3: :5: :6: All could contend on the SA dirt.

:9: :6: / :3: :5: :6: :9: / :3: :5: :6: :9: Tri

lamboguy
10-12-2014, 03:19 PM
i like #6 MIDNIGHT DIME, she was a running fool about a year ago. hope she can go down the hill.

Lemon Drop Husker
10-12-2014, 04:29 PM
i like #6 MIDNIGHT DIME, she was a running fool about a year ago. hope she can go down the hill.

I don't believe you are looking at the right race.

plainolebill
10-12-2014, 07:10 PM
Just based on Hendrick's record with FTS, I'll take a shot on :4: . Maybe back that up with exactas under the :7: , :9: . The filly has turf on the bottom but there are plenty of MSW turf sprints so Hendricks may think she likes the dirt.

Stillriledup
10-12-2014, 07:12 PM
The 5 (Race 6, Oct 12th) would have won easy, she got totally destroyed by stopping horses and finished way back in the pack. Horse to watch, Classy Chick.

Ocala Mike
10-12-2014, 07:13 PM
Tough day today; went with the :10: W/P.

Changed the exacta to :3: :7: / :3: :5: :7: :9: :10:
as the :3: came up live in the DD and P/3.

Robert Fischer
10-12-2014, 07:16 PM
Ok here is my clueless gambling bets
$25 win on :3:and:9:
$50 win on :5:

$200 shw on :3:and:9:

$1 ex :3::5::9: w/ :3::5::7::11: =12

$512 wagered

Aerocraft67
10-12-2014, 07:16 PM
I guess it's naive to point out that the :4: is the longest shot on the board in a wide open race with every trainer angle listed in the PP showing a profit? The :5: looks more realistic I guess. Now that I've put the time in I'll bet the :4: to win and play it under the :5: in the exacta.

Lemon Drop Husker
10-12-2014, 07:16 PM
The 5 (Race 6, Oct 12th) would have won easy, she got totally destroyed by stopping horses and finished way back in the pack. Horse to watch, Classy Chick.

The race in question from the original post is now loading.

Robert Fischer
10-12-2014, 07:18 PM
as far as just picking a horse, I think :9: has a chance to win the gallop-out if not the race itself, and is therefor my pick.

Stillriledup
10-12-2014, 07:19 PM
The race in question from the original post is now loading.

I edited my post to add race and date when i realized i was replying to someone who was talking about another race.

Robert Fischer
10-12-2014, 07:23 PM
did anyone even mention the :8:?

she crushed them

plainolebill
10-12-2014, 07:23 PM
I guess the speed was better than it looked. :D

Aerocraft67
10-12-2014, 07:24 PM
The winner was TVG's longshot pick, didn't see it anywhere else. Quite a pack of horses vying for place and show.

Stillriledup
10-12-2014, 07:24 PM
did anyone even mention the :8:?

she crushed them

Either she's really good or the rest of them aren't legit mdspwt horses.

Ocala Mike
10-12-2014, 07:25 PM
3rd at 42/1 with the :10: , and finished out well. End of a rough weekend for me.

Late entry on edit: Looked like the :10: got third, but outbobbed by the :5: .

My original box of :5: :7: :9: :10: came 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

letswastemoney
10-12-2014, 07:25 PM
I couldn't have picked an ex-claimer in a MSW. Maybe the dirt helped.

Congratulations if you had her!

letswastemoney
10-12-2014, 07:27 PM
And One Gun will never win at this level if she couldn't beat this field.

Robert Fischer
10-12-2014, 07:29 PM
The 8 CRUSHED them

5 ran OK but not really contending.

We didn't know ANYTHING about that race. The only thing you can say about the winner, was that nobody else liked here either. No smart money on that horse (unless it was hidden in multis - EDIT -no one hit the pick 6 either).

:7: was taking money, but she felt like a "default" type rather than some kind of insider info. Baffert's were relatively cold on the board and they ran flat.

:5: was a somewhat fair price, but like I was saying - we didn't know anything about these horses.


Either she's really good or the rest of them aren't legit mdspwt horses.
Could be both.
Unless I overlooked a tough pace or something, that field looked weak in the race and unproven on paper. However I was focused on the 3,9 in the stretch and didn't focus on the 8.

Stillriledup
10-12-2014, 07:31 PM
Trevor called her Henny The Penny Lover LOL

Lemon Drop Husker
10-12-2014, 07:32 PM
did anyone even mention the :8:?

she crushed them

Still can't see it. Especially in such dominating fashion.

4% trainer and a 1% jock in which Trujillo gets off to ride a 1st timer in the 5. Obviously the 2nd in her latest at Del Mar and the recent work should have told me she would win by a furlong. :bang:

Robert Fischer
10-12-2014, 07:37 PM
Still can't see it. Especially in such dominating fashion.

4% trainer and a 1% jock in which Trujillo gets off to ride a 1st timer in the 5. Obviously the 2nd in her latest at Del Mar and the recent work should have told me she would win by a furlong. :bang:

:ThmbUp: Miller isn't bad overall.
If you know the result and want to make a case = you could say "shoot, she improved 20 speed points or whatever from her debut to her 2nd start, where she was then moved to MSW, and her early speed doesn't hurt either". But, who knows when you are working backwards after-the-fact...

I guess the speed was better than it looked. :D
you did kind of call it about the FTS Bill.

if you had guessed with all the speeds... $

Lemon Drop Husker
10-12-2014, 07:49 PM
:ThmbUp: Miller isn't bad overall.
If you know the result and want to make a case = you could say "shoot, she improved 20 speed points or whatever from her debut to her 2nd start, where she was then moved to MSW, and her early speed doesn't hurt either". But, who knows when you are working backwards after-the-fact...


you did kind of call it about the FTS Bill.

if you had guessed with all the speeds... $

I know Miller is a much better trainer than his numbers are currently showing. I did like the AW to dirt angle, but she was supposedly facing much better and couldn't get it done before.

She was a deserving 28/1. Congrats to those that had her.

whodoyoulike
10-12-2014, 08:48 PM
In order of finish:

1) :8: hennythelovepenny (28.70) .............. 59.40 .... 19.20 .... 14.40
2) :5: miss centerfold (7.20) .................................... 7.40 ..... 5.40
3) :7: one gun (1.70) .................................................. ............ 2.80
4) :10: i heart you (42.60)
5) :4: autumn flower (43.30)
6) :9: fateer (10.40)
7) :11: scandal (3.60)
8) :3: so you say (8.70)
9) :6: she's reddy (12.60)
10) :2: midnight miley (10.30)
11) :1: she's a big winner (19.90)

time: 83.75

no scratches.

cutchemist42
10-12-2014, 10:45 PM
Could be figured from pace figures the horse was in the top 3 for for early speed. Still, the trainer stats did not inspire confidence when it came to MdnClm to Mdn moves.