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thoroughbred
10-09-2014, 04:48 PM
Whatís The Reason For CompuTrakís Success?

We have often been asked why it is that the CompuTrak handicapping program has been so successful.

That it has provided, and continues to provide, profitable handicapping is factual, yet the question remains: Why?

As to proof of CompuTrak's success, we can list these five main points:

* Its long-lasting market presence, first introduced in 1992;
* Doc Sartin, the renown handicapping expert's, enthusiasm; http://www.revelationprofits.com/SartinCompl.htm
* The early positive testing results by the Phillips Newsletter. http://www.revelationprofits.com/PhillipsTestResults.htm
* The very positive Daily Racing Form article by the columnist Brad Free.
http://www.revelationprofits.com/articles/BradFree-DRF.htm
* The demonstrated handicapping contest wins, using CompuTrak, by handicapper Lindsay Hurst, posted here on PA

And these are apart from the hundreds of testimonials by individual users.

So, again, the question: Why is this so?

To begin to answer this question, I should point out what CompuTrak is not. Many handicapping programs are written to computerize a particular individual's personal handicapping style. CompuTrak was not created this way. In contrast, CompuTrak was written based on unbiased engineering and mathematical research.

One may think it not possible to use engineering principles, principles usually associated only with non-living objects, to analyze flesh-and-blood horses. But the research exploring this and its conclusions are embodied in the engineering report "Engineering Analysis of Thoroughbred Racing" along with its "Addendum."
http://www.revelationprofits.com/docs/Engineering%20Analysis.pdf
http://www.revelationprofits.com/docs/addendum.pdf

While it's one thing to have such an analysis, as with any other engineering theory, its validation must come from actual experiments. In this case, the experiments are the real-world application of the theory to actual handicapping. The results obtained by these experiments, some mentioned above, have provided such validation.

So, in summary, the bottom line answer to the question as to why CompuTrak is so successful: Its success is a direct result of its unbiased engineering approach.

Thoroughbred
www.revelationprofits.com

hyipro
10-09-2014, 07:37 PM
The top package out there, it picks winners in Turf races, that at first glance
it would take the horse a year and a day to get around the track. All kidding
aside, I will never forget the last day of the CD meet, I think it was last year
it was a turf race, Computrack had a long long and I mean long on top
(70-1) mmmm I said why not, used it in my combos hit the tri, exacta and
SF. I find it great on Turf races, but not so much on dirt, why that is I have
no idea. Simple to use and not very pricey.

thoroughbred
10-09-2014, 10:05 PM
The top package out there, it picks winners in Turf races, that at first glance
it would take the horse a year and a day to get around the track. All kidding
aside, I will never forget the last day of the CD meet, I think it was last year
it was a turf race, Computrack had a long long and I mean long on top
(70-1) mmmm I said why not, used it in my combos hit the tri, exacta and
SF. I find it great on Turf races, but not so much on dirt, why that is I have
no idea. Simple to use and not very pricey.

Hyipro,

Thank you for your upbeat comments about CompuTrak

To respond to your question as to the difference in results between Turf and Dirt races.

While CompuTrak does very well in both Turf and Dirt races, as you can see by the results available on the links provided in this thread, it is interesting to note why turf races can provide exceptional value.

The engineering math in "Engineering Analysis of Thoroughbred Racing", yielded a value that is equivalent to Friction in Physics. The physical interpretation of this value in horse racing is that it represents a horse's closing capability or stamina. Since it is well known that Turf races, more than Dirt races, favor horses with superior closing capability this Friction value provides a strong edge for handicappers.

In deriving the Friction value, CompuTrak analyzes the individual horse, independently of the other horses in the race, which avoids the fictitious closing capability often misinterpreted due to the leading horse slowing down, rather than the horse in question exhibiting the true physical characteristics of being a closer.

thaskalos
10-09-2014, 11:24 PM
How successful HAS CompuTrak been? What can we expect if we use it year-round?

thoroughbred
10-10-2014, 09:55 AM
How successful HAS CompuTrak been? What can we expect if we use it year-round?
The links at the start of this thread go a long way in answering your question.
Better yet, you can try CompuTrak for free and see for yourself. There is a free version of the program avaiable at our website www.revelationprofits.com

bugboy
10-10-2014, 01:35 PM
I've downloaded the free version, however I can't open it. I'm using windows 8. any help?

thoroughbred
10-10-2014, 03:06 PM
I've downloaded the free version, however I can't open it. I'm using windows 8. any help?
Bugboy,

Program works with both 32 and 64 bit computers and the various versions of Windows, e.g., XP, 7, 8, 8.1 etc.

Problem may be with your computer. Please email us at support@revelationprofits.com to provide us with more info, e.g., any error message you see, and we will work with you on this.

Flysofree
10-10-2014, 04:06 PM
Bugboy,

Program works with both 32 and 64 bit computers and the various versions of Windows, e.g., XP, 7, 8, 8.1 etc.

Problem may be with your computer. Please email us at support@revelationprofits.com to provide us with more info, e.g., any error message you see, and we will work with you on this.

If anyone is using Windows XP to download race files from Bris or download other stuff, expect to be hacked any day now. The crooks will have a field day with computers still using Windows XP..

DJofSD
10-10-2014, 04:10 PM
If anyone is using Windows XP to download race files from Bris or download other stuff, expect to be hacked any day now. The crooks will have a field day with computers still using Windows XP..
Don't worry too much, they're busy getting into ATM networks around the world.

GameTheory
10-10-2014, 04:14 PM
If anyone is using Windows XP to download race files from Bris or download other stuff, expect to be hacked any day now. The crooks will have a field day with computers still using Windows XP..
Not true.

bugboy
10-10-2014, 05:25 PM
thank you for your response, I will post the error message.thanks

mabred
10-10-2014, 05:28 PM
good to know!!! they can have my used files !!!

bugboy
10-10-2014, 05:38 PM
this is the message i get....This app can't run on your pc. to find a version for your pc check with the software publisher
thanks, frank

soupman2
10-10-2014, 07:16 PM
Not to nit pick but your unverifiable results on your home page go back 9 years. You should post something that suspicious guys like me can check out and verify.

thoroughbred
10-10-2014, 07:36 PM
this is the message i get....This app can't run on your pc. to find a version for your pc check with the software publisher
thanks, frank
Since it is likely that the problem is related to your particular computer setup, we have replied to you by private message on this Board.

thoroughbred
10-10-2014, 07:48 PM
Not to nit pick but your unverifiable results on your home page go back 9 years. You should post something that suspicious guys like me can check out and verify.

We understand your concern, so here is verifiable information. Lindsay Hurst, more recently posted on this Board that he has won good money on handicapping contests using CompuTrak. What's important to your question is that as part of his posts, he supplied links to the contest organizers where one can see the verifiable fact that he won the contests.

For your convenience, I am copying his first post here.
------------------------------------------------------------------

What is the best kept horseracing software secret on the market?
Answer: CompuTrak (CT) developed by Rube Boxer, owner of Revelation Software Technologies.

Like most of you, Iíve tried all the big name software packages with mixed results and then back in 2006 I stumbled upon CT - bingo. I used the software on and off and then in December of 2006, I hit the Pick 4 at Hollywood Park for 15k and then I became much more interested in CT.
A few years later I decided to get serious and completely studied and read all the CT documentation and actually spoke to Rube (great guy) a few times. The software is based on engineering principles and has interesting angles that other software packages donít have. I then decided to start competing competitively and kept accurate records.

Last year was my first year of competitive handicapping. I participated in 11 contests and won the TVG contest on October 3, 2009 beating 2,325 other players and qualified for the 2010 NTRA/DRF contest in Vegas.

This year, Iíve participated in 27 contests, winning one, placing in the top 10 multiple times and so far winning $6,545. Iíve been averaging coming in the top 26% of all contests. Iíve qualified (again) for the NTRA/DRF contest in 2011 and qualified for 2 seats in the 2011 Horse Players World Series contest, also in Vegas (see below linksÖ.My name is Mr. Lindsay R. Hurst IV)

2011 NTRA/DRF Championship (see March 27 date)
http://www1.drf.com/nhc/2010/qualifiers.html

2011 Horse Player World Series (see under Qualifying Site winners....
2 spots - 1 under Horseplayersqualify.com and 1 under Xpressbet)
http://www.orleanscasino.com/gaming...er-world-series

Iím not claiming that CT just gives you the winners as youíll need to work at it, but once you get past the learning curve, youíll be able to handicap any race in about 90 secondsÖ.really

Secondbest
10-10-2014, 08:02 PM
Why don't you post your selections for Belmont,Santa Anita and keenland or another track for 2 weeks or so. Every race. After 2 weeks we can see how profitable or not you are.I think some 270 or so races is OK.

thaskalos
10-10-2014, 08:19 PM
The links at the start of this thread go a long way in answering your question.
Better yet, you can try CompuTrak for free and see for yourself. There is a free version of the program avaiable at our website www.revelationprofits.com

The links at the start of this thread do not reveal enough information as to the effectiveness of your program...and I cannot seem to access your free version. You started this thread here asking for the reason for CompuTrak's success...and I innocently asked you how "successful" this product has been. Do you track the product's performance over time...and, if so, what year-long results can be achieved through its use? You list a couple of advertised handicapping samples accompanied by ROI figures...but they are from 9 years ago. What would a typical 500-race handicapping sample reveal today?

If you are going to advertise...then ADVERTISE, for heaven's sake.

banacek
10-10-2014, 08:26 PM
I tried out Computrak a few years ago for a while - in particular to check out the odds line. I found that part of it not very useful- it seemed to make everyone too close on the odds line..for example check:

http://www.revelationprofits.com/docs/Tutorial.pdf

The whole card..almost all the races have the horses pretty close to the same odds...almost no variation. That can happen on occasion, but not every race.

jk3521
10-10-2014, 10:01 PM
I play around with the program at times. The odds line feature in itself doesn't seem to give good results. You have to tinker with the recent early speed along with the friction collumns. The CompuTrak Picks automated selections are awful. Not any better or worse than any other piece of software that I have tried.We haven't heard from Mr. Hurst in a while on how he is doing with the software.

thoroughbred
10-11-2014, 11:45 AM
I tried out Computrak a few years ago for a while - in particular to check out the odds line. I found that part of it not very useful- it seemed to make everyone too close on the odds line..for example check:

http://www.revelationprofits.com/docs/Tutorial.pdf

The whole card..almost all the races have the horses pretty close to the same odds...almost no variation. That can happen on occasion, but not every race.

This is usually not so. In fact, it is my understanding that it was only the CompuTrak generated odds line that Brad Free used for his handicapping that led to his upbeat DRF article.

thoroughbred
10-11-2014, 11:59 AM
Why don't you post your selections for Belmont,Santa Anita and keenland or another track for 2 weeks or so. Every race. After 2 weeks we can see how profitable or not you are.I think some 270 or so races is OK.

Yes it would be nice to handicap many races here. But, having reached the age of 87, my time priorities, of necessity, have to be devoted to other things.

I feel fortunate, that when I was younger, I was able to do the handicapping research, and I am very gratified when I learn that others are able to benefit from that research.

By providing the links, in the first message of this thread, which showed the results of those who tested the program, and who are independent and have no relationship to me or my company, I thought that would be sufficient to have you get an indication of what is possible with the program.

I appreciate the fact, and do understand, that handicappers are instinctively skeptical.

banacek
10-11-2014, 04:25 PM
This is usually not so. In fact, it is my understanding that it was only the CompuTrak generated odds line that Brad Free used for his handicapping that led to his upbeat DRF article.

But if you look at the races on your link it is that way. That last race is an 11 horse race where the odds line varies from 9.04-1 to 11.67-1 ! That's meaningless.

And then you note:

We see that the No.7 horse has the best Odds of the Oddsline and is tied for Best Recent time while having
good actual odds.
The chosen horse, #7, won paying $13.00. that the 9.04-1 horse won and paid $13.00?

The chosen horse? Seriously?



Race 10
RACE No. 10 Jul 31 2004 DMR 6f/D C/20000/26000/86 3 year olds only. Fillies only.
PgNo/ML/Post/Name OL BT BDS BPL RT RDS RPL RES RF RecRslt RecCls DTLR FM:TOT/WO/RC PLíS
2/15.00/2 NORT 9.18 70.5 6 2 71.8 6 1 89 146 1,5,3\1/6 fClm16000 16 102/ 66/ 36 5
3/4.00/3 HOME 10.90 71.4 6.5 4 72.3 6 1 90 190 5,8,8\5/8 fClm32000 30 10/ 0/ 10 10
4/2.50/4 QUEE 11.67 71.0 6 4 74.4 5.5T 1 94 341 4,1,1\11/11 fsAlw49400n1x 15 21/ 4/ 17 10
5/10.00/5 PARI 9.64 71.4 6 3 73.7 6 1 97 366 2,3,2\6/8 fClm32000c 30 22/ 14/ 8 4
6/10.00/6 ANDR 9.74 71.7 6 4 72.3 6.5 1 90 195 6,7,9\5/9 fClm20000c 34 153/ 142/ 11 7
7/8.00/7 LUNG 9.04 71.0 6 2 71.4 6.5 1 96 285 4,1,1\3/9 fClm20000c 34 25/ 6/ 19 5
8/4.50/8 CHAR 9.09 71.0 6.5 2 73.4 6 1 96 340 8,4,5\8/8 fClm50000 17 30/ 24/ 6 3
9/15.00/9 ALPE 9.91 69.7 5 9 71.4 6.5 1 94 246 1,2,2\3/8 fClm25000 13 44/ 20/ 24 10
11/15.00/11 MIS 10.32 70.2 6 7 73.6 6 1 93 285 6,3,4\4/6 fClm16000c 16 23/ 0/ 23 9
12/20.00/12 IND 11.23 70.9 6 5 74.2 6 1 94 332 8,6,7\7/8 fClm32000 30 227/ 220/ 7 9
13/10.00/13 SHE 9.96 71.8 5.5 7 72.7 8 1 91 223 6,3,3\6/8 fClm20000 5 80/ 29/ 51 7
We see that the No.7 horse has the best Odds of the Oddsline and is tied for Best Recent time while having
good actual odds.
The chosen horse, #7, won paying $13.00.

ldiatone
10-11-2014, 04:42 PM
well its still a tool. before Hurst's web site went down just recently the fellows posting through there blogs, had many examples and race results. seemed the fellows had sucess. i followed the one guys advice and set the "paceline setting" differently then default. i just used 4 or 5 pacelines for more recent lines. also i set the distant range much higher then within 1F and no surface restriction. one is right viewing the odds line as being close togather but i use the "recent time" "best time" ES and RF line for turf races. one can also view the "extensive" and view more different #'s and the bris power #. if you use Bris PP gen. one can open the file, copy and paste it to the file section and now have the PP's
(dont tell bris :blush: )

jk3521
10-11-2014, 06:40 PM
[QUOTE if you use Bris PP gen. one can open the file, copy and paste it to the file section and now have the PP's
(dont tell bris :blush: )[/QUOTE]
Could you please explain to me what you mean by this last sentence? Thank you.

green80
10-11-2014, 06:47 PM
How successful HAS CompuTrak been? What can we expect if we use it year-round?

I purchased and tested Computrack. Over the course of a year I had several 200+ race samples at various tracks and I couldn't find any way to make money with it. You can always find samples where anything is profitable short term, but not over large samples. I am not saying that some don't make money with it, just that I couldn't find a way.

Secondbest
10-11-2014, 10:48 PM
Yes it would be nice to handicap many races here. But, having reached the age of 87, my time priorities, of necessity, have to be devoted to other things.

I feel fortunate, that when I was younger, I was able to do the handicapping research, and I am very gratified when I learn that others are able to benefit from that research.

By providing the links, in the first message of this thread, which showed the results of those who tested the program, and who are independent and have no relationship to me or my company, I thought that would be sufficient to have you get an indication of what is possible with the program.

I appreciate the fact, and do understand, that handicappers are instinctively skeptical.
I was thinking morť of the programs automŠtic pick if it does that. However,87 years old. Good going

dartman51
10-14-2014, 10:33 AM
Yesterday at Santa Anita with settings of 6 pace lines, Distance Range= 1.5 and NO surface restrictions.

Looking at the Odds Line ONLY, TOP pick.

R1> :1: $11.60
R2> :3: OUT
R3> :5: $11.80
R4> :4: OUT
R5> :3: SHOW
R6> :8: $21.60
R7> A problem with file, wouldn't cap race 7.
R8> :8: $10.60
R9> :2: SHOW

I know, ONLY using the OL, isn't advocated, as the program has so much more to offer. BUT, these results aren't bad. And, NO, you won't get these results every day, on every track. But, then, what program would? ;)

Robert Goren
10-14-2014, 10:38 AM
What's The Reason for CompuTrak's Success?
Just to be clear, are you asking why it picks so winners? or why it has sold so many pieces of software?

acorn54
10-14-2014, 12:11 PM
i would like to know why the software has automatic picks, if betting these picks have not been verified to be profitable on any statistically valid sample.
seems to me it should not be in the software as it can mislead a purchaser.

thoroughbred
10-14-2014, 12:22 PM
What's The Reason for CompuTrak's Success?
Just to be clear, are you asking why it picks so winners? or why it has sold so many pieces of software?

I believe the results shown, by independent users, at the links at the beginning of this thread show that the question refers to why does it picks so many winners.

thaskalos
10-14-2014, 03:42 PM
I believe the results shown, by independent users, at the links at the beginning of this thread show that the question refers to why does it picks so many winners.

Do you have an answer for this question...or are you asking us for the answer?

JimG
10-14-2014, 04:04 PM
Do you have an answer for this question...or are you asking us for the answer?

He's advertising his product. And PA is cool with that as he has paid for that right. But I am sure you already knew that.

JimG
10-14-2014, 04:08 PM
i would like to know why the software has automatic picks, if betting these picks have not been verified to be profitable on any statistically valid sample.
seems to me it should not be in the software as it can mislead a purchaser.

An excellent question that has been left unanswered thus far. I would also add that if you include an odds line (which computrak does) it should be a good gauge to judge the performance of its picks. Using this column or that column depending on this or that is the usual response from software vendors because it is difficult, if not impossible, to pin down the effectiveness of the application.

thaskalos
10-14-2014, 04:22 PM
He's advertising his product. And PA is cool with that as he has paid for that right. But I am sure you already knew that.

Yes...I know that. But using a question like that as a thread title is a lousy way of advertising...because no one here knows if indeed CompuTrak has been as "successful" as the OP claims it has been. The "proof" that he keeps referring to is nine years old...which leads one to believe that the more recent results have been discouraging -- otherwise a more resent result sample would have been used. And the demo sample of his product that he is giving out is inaccessible to some of us.

That's why I said..."if you are going to advertise...then advertise". Don't ask us why your product is so successful; explain to us how successful your product really is. A free demo sample is nice...but it does no good if we can't open it.

JimG
10-14-2014, 04:31 PM
Yesterday at Santa Anita with settings of 6 pace lines, Distance Range= 1.5 and NO surface restrictions.

Looking at the Odds Line ONLY, TOP pick.

R1> :1: $11.60
R2> :3: OUT
R3> :5: $11.80
R4> :4: OUT
R5> :3: SHOW
R6> :8: $21.60
R7> A problem with file, wouldn't cap race 7.
R8> :8: $10.60
R9> :2: SHOW

I know, ONLY using the OL, isn't advocated, as the program has so much more to offer. BUT, these results aren't bad. And, NO, you won't get these results every day, on every track. But, then, what program would? ;)

I checked Gulfstream and Belmont on the same date using the same criteria you did and here are the results betting top horse on odds line.

Gulfstream Park West

1-won 10.00
2-won 4.80
3-out
4-out
5-2nd
6-2nd
7-won 5.60
8-3rd
9-out
10-out

Belmont

1-out
2-out
3-3rd
4-out
5-out
6-out
7-out
8-out
9-out
10-out

thaskalos
10-14-2014, 05:00 PM
+26.3% overall. :ThmbUp:

jk3521
10-14-2014, 05:41 PM
Yesterday at Santa Anita with settings of 6 pace lines, Distance Range= 1.5 and NO surface restrictions.

Looking at the Odds Line ONLY, TOP pick.

R1> :1: $11.60
R2> :3: OUT
R3> :5: $11.80
R4> :4: OUT
R5> :3: SHOW
R6> :8: $21.60
R7> A problem with file, wouldn't cap race 7.
R8> :8: $10.60
R9> :2: SHOW

I know, ONLY using the OL, isn't advocated, as the program has so much more to offer. BUT, these results aren't bad. And, NO, you won't get these results every day, on every track. But, then, what program would? ;)
Those are the setting chosen by you, not the program default,right?

ldiatone
10-14-2014, 06:13 PM
the fellow on now the dufunct hurst web site stated he liked to go 4-5 default pace lines for recent races as the defult can go back 6-7 lines. i use 4 f difference and no surface restriction. i did notice when one uses default settings the odds lines col. has more seperation. it tosses runners either wrong surface or wrong distance. sprinter->route and turf->dirt.

jk3521
10-14-2014, 06:44 PM
There is no such software where you can print the selections, rip it off the printer and head to the track! :eek: Only in our dreams! One small change in the settings could make your horse jump from 5th selection to 1st, be it number of PP lines , surface restriction, or distance restriction. You still have to get down there, get your hands dirty, and (hopefully)dig out the winner.

ReplayRandall
10-14-2014, 07:54 PM
There's a wise 87 year old man, living in Santa Barbara, sitting in front of his computer screen, sipping 12 year old scotch, laughing his ass off at how well he can still sell his product, saying absolutely nothing, on a paid website thread full of horseplayers, that's gone 40 posts too long.......

Robert Goren
10-15-2014, 06:02 AM
I believe the results shown, by independent users, at the links at the beginning of this thread show that the question refers to why does it picks so many winners.Actually I was hoping for an answer to the other question. CompuTrak is clearly a marketing success when you consider how many horse racing betting software programs have come and gone over the years it been around.