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1GCFAN
10-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Why would they build a track without a super stretch. Also, they are limiting the field size to 9. Anyone know the answer?

Ray2000
10-09-2014, 06:08 AM
I don't have any answers to OP but I'll post this in here.

Dayton's Morning Line

I'm guessing it's a Trackmaster Line because it's capped at 30/1

So far it's been pretty good except for a couple of glaring misses.

MISCHIEVOUS JESSE 30/1 won last night at 3/2
REISIN IN THE SUN 30/1 off at 4/1

pandy
10-09-2014, 09:31 AM
Why would they build a track without a super stretch. Also, they are limiting the field size to 9. Anyone know the answer?

It's a 5/8's track, 9 horses is the norm, and the stretch is typical for a 5/8's oval. The real question is, why do they keep building 5/8's tracks when there isn't a single 5/8's track that has good handle?

baconswitchfarm
10-09-2014, 11:34 AM
It's a 5/8's track, 9 horses is the norm, and the stretch is typical for a 5/8's oval. The real question is, why do they keep building 5/8's tracks when there isn't a single 5/8's track that has good handle?



Amen

mrroyboy
10-09-2014, 01:09 PM
Yes I think it's because 1/2 mile tracks are not popular with harness fans and mile tracks are more expensive to build so maybe they are choosing something in the middle. Just a guess on my part.

wilderness
10-09-2014, 01:48 PM
Generally speaking, the track size is dependent upon the acreage available on the grounds (That's what determined the perimeter of Hazel Park in 1950).

Considering Dayton was built as a racino, the track is secondary to their existence and/or customer market.

Thus, it's likely that the available acreage used for the racino is larger than than the acreage used for da horses.

Somewhere I've a reference that provides the minimum acreage required for various size tracks, however does not include the acreage required for additional buildings.

baconswitchfarm
10-09-2014, 02:06 PM
Yes I think it's because 1/2 mile tracks are not popular with harness fans and mile tracks are more expensive to build so maybe they are choosing something in the middle. Just a guess on my part.


That is the excuse they use. The truth is that the horsemen don't want the 1/2 and the tracks don't want the expense of building a two turn track. So they split the difference and build a track the bettors don't want. :bang:

The Inside Scoop
10-09-2014, 03:33 PM
It's a 5/8's track, 9 horses is the norm, and the stretch is typical for a 5/8's oval. The real question is, why do they keep building 5/8's tracks when there isn't a single 5/8's track that has good handle?

You are bang on Pandy. In this day and age why they would not build a mile track is beyond me. A mile track allows you to have races with more horses in it, different distance races, which will in the very least, give you a chance to increase the handle. If anybody knows what the handles have been at Dayton to date, please post them as I have been unable to find them anywhere.

Ray2000
10-09-2014, 04:13 PM
Dayton handle

Oct 3, $177,213
Oct 4, $135,839
Oct 8, $72,683

The Inside Scoop
10-09-2014, 04:40 PM
Thanks

Postime
10-09-2014, 07:01 PM
You can check the Handle of any Ohio racetrack here.
http://www.racing.ohio.gov/Commission.html

The Inside Scoop
10-09-2014, 11:05 PM
Thanks for that information.

Ray2000
10-10-2014, 11:02 AM
You can check the Handle of any Ohio racetrack here.
http://www.racing.ohio.gov/Commission.html


Postime

I had to check out the difference in Dayton totals for Oct 3rd from what my ADW says to what the "Commission" reports.

177,213 vs 128,976

All mutuel pools sums up to 177,213
Somebody's sending in the wrong numbers, maybe they should "mete out penalties" to themselves. :D


DBL 1639
DBL 357
EXA 2761
EXA 3091
EXA 2964
EXA 2736
EXA 3819
EXA 2986
EXA 3383
EXA 3344
EXA 2117
EXA 2142
EXA 1746
EXA 2312
EXA 2597
EXA 2302
PK3 286
PK3 317
PK3 92
PK3 206
PK3 284
PK3 361
PK3 191
PK3 94
PK3 238
PK4 361
PK4 410
PLC 1257
PLC 942
PLC 1067
PLC 1413
PLC 1377
PLC 1182
PLC 1613
PLC 1211
PLC 1014
PLC 1006
PLC 687
PLC 1182
PLC 1029
PLC 709
SFC 1639
SFC 1708
SFC 1885
SFC 2330
SFC 2107
SFC 1655
SFC 2316
SFC 1895
SFC 1592
SFC 1723
SFC 1417
SFC 1650
SFC 1745
SFC 1465
SHW 970
SHW 660
SHW 944
SHW 1062
SHW 851
SHW 889
SHW 1208
SHW 895
SHW 847
SHW 716
SHW 537
SHW 724
SHW 650
SHW 558
TRI 3295
TRI 3269
TRI 3789
TRI 3836
TRI 4163
TRI 3581
TRI 4207
TRI 3597
TRI 2674
TRI 2539
TRI 2271
TRI 2881
TRI 2609
TRI 2360
WIN 2683
WIN 2876
WIN 2979
WIN 2964
WIN 3729
WIN 2601
WIN 3756
WIN 3048
WIN 2566
WIN 2079
WIN 1422
WIN 2224
WIN 2108
WIN 1653

The Inside Scoop
10-10-2014, 03:06 PM
That's quite a difference in total handle. Could be worth firing off an email to the Ohio racing commission to make sure they are aware of it. Was there not just a scandal where someone was caught pilfering funds from a track?

1GCFAN
10-12-2014, 11:03 PM
Pandy - I figured the 5/8 kept the three track circuit in place. Scioto has 10 and sometimes 11 horse fields (for hi 5) and a super stretch. I too like the mile racing and Scioto could be expanded. They have plenty of room. Understand a hotel on the grounds is in the works.

1GCFAN
10-12-2014, 11:10 PM
Postime - Hard to understand the charts without a key. They apparently don't count off track betting into the pools. According to USTA charts Northfield has that much bet on one race on a Monday night.