Doug O'Neil banned from the Breeders Cup this year....

[taxicab]

What about his horses ?
Will they still get to run ?
His assistant trainer gets the call ?
And how cowardly is the California Horse Racing Board?.......never a peep out of them.

[Stillriledup]

They should require his horses to transfer to an established trainer to run, not this paper trainer stuff. If Leandro Mora is on the pgm, Doug is still training the horse via cellphone while sipping pina coladas on Manhattan Beach. Oh yeah, and he's also getting his share of the trainer's cut if the horse does well.

Everyone is standing on the soapbox talking about how they want a clean game, but you won't see the owners of GoldenCents and the other horses remove the horse from his barn.

[horses4courses]

Apart from Goldenscents, how many other BC contenders does he have?

[stormreveler]

Private Zone, but I suppose he can simply be put back under the care of Alfredo Velazquez who trained him for the Vosburgh.

[Rex Phinney]

What about his horses ?
Will they still get to run ?
His assistant trainer gets the call ?
And how cowardly is the California Horse Racing Board?.......never a peep out of them.

The CHRB had nothing todo with this. It was BC Ltd. they used one of their rules that calls for currently suspended trainers in any state be excluded.

Also if you haven't read Oneills statement. He basically throws his staff under the bus by saying he wasn't even in NY etc etc. I wish someone would stomp his ass, but I'd settle for owners pulling their horses from this guy. Not only is he a cheat but he never owns up to anything.

[taxicab]

https://www.thoroughbredrulings.com/default.asp?RTReport=2&EPID=6363&L=ONeill&M=F.&F=Doug&clearsearch=YES

[lamboguy]

we had 2 other trainers that got suspended this week as well, Brad Cox and Bruce Levine.

Doug O'Neil has been getting a lot of suspensions. since they gave him the 45 days, his horses have gone 0/19 with none of them hitting the board. i know this because i have a friend that only bets on horses when they announce suspension's. he bets against the horses and claims he is a big winner lifetime with that system.

if he is correct that he can win thinking the horses are not getting the same type of treatments after the trainer gets caught, then i would say there is something wrong with this game.

i suspect that there are plenty of trainers that know how to manipulate the system and are able to put on a good dance and not get caught.

[Stillriledup]

It took what, 60 or 70 "violations" to finally kick "Babe" out of the game?

In what walk of life do you get dozens and dozens of chances other than horse racing?

No sport has more tolerance than horse racing.

Cheat, cheat and keep cheating and you never get kicked out. If "Babe" Dutrow was a quiet man who kept under the radar , he would still probably be training despite all his transgressions.

[Shelby]

http://www.dougoneillracing.com/state.html

Letter that Doug sent out to his owners.

[taxicab]

http://www.dougoneillracing.com/state.html

Letter that Doug sent out to his owners.

Thanks for the post Shelby.
My goodness,does trainer Doug think everybody in the world is stupid ?
This letter is the biggest pantload I've ever read.
So you had to google Oxazepam ay Doug......Just like when your brother Dennis had to google "milkshake" when your horses started showing up TCO2 positive ?
My favorite excuse is the one where WoB could of tested positive because a recently castrated horse (who just happened to be in the stall before WoB) had been given a medication that he urinated out on to the stall floor, and that cost your horse a hot test.......uh huh.
And who doesn't love the always popular "Somebody dropped something in my horses feed by accident" line ....... :lol:
On a side note: what a wonderful,loving individual you are Doug.......Isn't life just peachy keen. :p

[stormreveler]

I agree that O'Neill's excuses and claims of ignorance are laughable. But he did attach the affidavit from Dr. Barker which seems to cast significant doubt on the methods of the commission. I don't know if this doctor is actually some quack who will say anything if given a few hundred bucks or what, but it seems unlikely from reading the document.

I wouldn't want to be punished on the "strength" of the evidence as it seems to exist, gathered and analyzed shoddily.

[Stillriledup]

So, he's not really banned at all, he's just banned from having his name on the program. He's still training the horses via electronic device while sipping pina coladas on Manhattan Beach, he won't lose one horse or one client.

Some punishment.

[Track Phantom]

So, he's not really banned at all, he's just banned from having his name on the program. He's still training the horses via electronic device while sipping pina coladas on Manhattan Beach, he won't lose one horse or one client.

Some punishment.

I don't know if this is true. I think pressure is starting to go past the trainer and towards owners. While there may not be current conditions that penalize owners for trainers indiscretions, I believe public outcry extending penalties to owners will soon become a reality. It wouldn't surprise me if owners start making better decisions in advance of that.

Or it will be business as usual like every other aspect of this game :)

[Appy]

Who believes horse owners who hired Oneill did not know about the 18 previous violations?
That being the case, why aren't those owners subject to the same suspension as their trainer?
Allowing those horses to run under the name of an assistant merely licenses the violations as noteworthy, but acceptable, practice.

[Stillriledup]

I don't know if this is true. I think pressure is starting to go past the trainer and towards owners. While there may not be current conditions that penalize owners for trainers indiscretions, I believe public outcry extending penalties to owners will soon become a reality. It wouldn't surprise me if owners start making better decisions in advance of that.

Or it will be business as usual like every other aspect of this game :)

There needs to be some punishments for owners who continue to employ trainers with laundry lists of violations. You need to make the owners 'do pushups' if the trainer gets caught.

I mean, its not hard, just punish the owners and you'll have many less violations. If ANY violation meant you lose all purse money i bet you would see this stuff stop tomorrow.

[Tom]

The horses should be suspended, too.
NO switching to another trainer - you lose all changes to make any money while the trainer is off.

Some trainers manage to not have positives - any one who can't probably should not be allowed to be a trainer.

[Rex Phinney]

The horses should be suspended, too.
NO switching to another trainer - you lose all changes to make any money while the trainer is off.

Some trainers manage to not have positives - any one who can't probably should not be allowed to be a trainer.

Sounds about right to me. This doesn't seem like a complicated issue, years of second chances, horses running under assistant names and BS excuses is the only thing that complicates this.

[Stillriledup]

Leandro celebrated like he was actually the trainer and not just a guy on the pgm :lol:

[JustRalph]

Leandro celebrated like he was actually the trainer and not just a guy on the pgm :lol:

The check will come in his name.

[cj]

The check will come in his name.

I would bet he actually gets to keep the money; big trouble for O'Neill if they catch him getting any of it.

[Stillriledup]

I would bet he actually gets to keep the money; big trouble for O'Neill if they catch him getting any of it.

He might end up on American Greed.

[Relwob Owner]

The horses should be suspended, too.
NO switching to another trainer - you lose all changes to make any money while the trainer is off.

Some trainers manage to not have positives - any one who can't probably should not be allowed to be a trainer.


I have been saying this forever. The fact that the owners aren't somehow tied to this is the reason things never gets fixed. If the horse was suspended, it wouldn't put the owner's whole stable out of business but would make for some sort of deterrent and make the owner at least have to think twice about using these trainers.

[Stillriledup]

I have been saying this forever. The fact that the owners aren't somehow tied to this is the reason things never gets fixed. If the horse was suspended, it wouldn't put the owner's whole stable out of business but would make for some sort of deterrent and make the owner at least have to think twice about using these trainers.

Its like telling a bank robber that his punishment for getting caught robbing the bank isn't jail, its that he's not allowed to go into any banks for 60 days.

[TBD]

If you want owners to be held more accountable, start using their name and picture when discussing the situation. Most owners I know totally dislike the bad press. Everytime I read articles or threads about trainers either the owners picture or name is not expressed enough. In other words, stop making the threads about the trainers and make them about their employers.

[Stillriledup]

If you want owners to be held more accountable, start using their name and picture when discussing the situation. Most owners I know totally dislike the bad press. Everytime I read articles or threads about trainers either the owners picture or name is not expressed enough. In other words, stop making the threads about the trainers and make them about their employers.

I like it. Instead of saying so and so gets a suspension and fine, show the picture of the owner and say HERES YOUR ENABLER.

[reckless]

I like it. Instead of saying so and so gets a suspension and fine, show the picture of the owner and say HERES YOUR ENABLER.

Isn't it in some locales if a man is caught soliciting a prostitute or is caught with one while receiving 'comfort' he's also arrested and the john's name, address and picture published publicly? Not 100 % sure about the photo, but I thought I'd throw that in too. :)

It's OK by me to out the owners, along with suspending the (innocent) racehorses of serial violators trainers like O'Neill. If the horse can't run then maybe, just maybe, some of these owners will wise up to the situation.

Owners are very real problem with what is wrong with the game today, especially racing on a day-to-day basis at the smaller, minor circuits like Parx. They get a pass with the 'there wouldn't even be racing if it weren't for the owners.'

Yes, that statement in and of itself is truth but there will still be racing -- but this time with a better quality owner and trainer once the cheats and scum are ruled off.

[depalma113]

Its like telling a bank robber that his punishment for getting caught robbing the bank isn't jail, its that he's not allowed to go into any banks for 60 days.

It's all that and the bank robber's brother is still allowed to go into all of the banks with a mask on.

[Stillriledup]

Dougie "I'll be your" Doug O'Neill is back from his suspension, i think he will be back on the program for opening day at Santa Anita Dec 26th.

I bet he's a changed man, when you get to tan at the beach in between days of golf, train via cellphone while losing 0 clients, 0 horses and 0 dollars, that would get anyone to change, you know, with such a severe punishment and all.

Oh the humanity.

Welcome back Doug, the horseplayers have missed you greatly, we will get a warm and fuzzy feeling seeing your name on the program when we handicap those opening week races at santa Anita.

Warm and fuzzy i tell you, warm and fuzzy.

gHg4zo2B-c0

[biggestal99]

Callie needs to dutrow his ass.

Allan