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Track Collector
09-17-2014, 12:01 PM
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Hello everyone,

Please read carefully, as this poll is set up differently than the other contest polls.

By voting "Yes, ......" --> You plan to participant in this contest (if you qualify), and you acknowledge and agree to abide by all the contest rules listed below.

By voting "No, ......" --> You will NOT be participating in this contest. (Please do not select this option if you have less than 1000 PACS points, which can be verified here (http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1708782&postcount=3).

Post #2 in this thread (below) will show the progress of this poll so that potential participants can see whether or not they made entry into the contest.

Should you have any questions, please feel free to post them in this thread.

And now on to the rules.



1. ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS
-- Players ranked in the top 32 with regard to PACS (PaceAdvantage Contest Series) points automatically qualify for entry. Players who decline or are unable to participate will be replaced by the next highest available player outside the top 32.
-- All participants must acknowledge that they have read and agree to abide by all contest rules (by voting in the above poll) no later than 09/22/14. Failure to do so could put the player's participation at risk.

2. PLAYING BRACKETS
-- Subject brackets will be posted ASAP after finalization of the field of 32. and will be similar to those used in the yearly NCAA college basketball tournament.

3. MATCHES and SCHEDULE
-- In each round of play, participants shall compete in a head-to-head match consisting of a maximum of 5 games.
-- Games shall be played at a rate of 1 game per day, from Wednesday thru Sunday of that respective week.
-- The first player to win 3 games will move on to the next round, with his/her opponent being eliminated. Exception: Losers in the semi-final round will play in the next round for 3rd place.
-- Each GAME shall consist of 5 different thoroughbred races from a single track. (Both you and your opponent will be playing the same 5 races.). The winner of the game will be the player who achieves the highest ROI over those 5 races.
-- (New for 2014) ROI is defined as (Payout) divided by $500. Without exception and irregardless of any scratches, all players will have been deemed to have wagered $500 for each and every game. Scratches will receive a designed replacement. (See rule #7)
-- If at the end of a GAME both players achieve the exact same ROI, each player will credit for winning 1/2 game.
-- If at the end of a MATCH both players are tied at 2.5 games apiece, the player achieving the highest ROI over the ENTIRE match will be declared the winner and move on to the next round.
-- (New for 2014) No GAME shall be won/lost on less than 5 races. Should cancellations occur, players shall make up the lost races ASAP, with scores from non-cancelled races carrying forward. The Contest Manager can assist with help should this situation occur.

4. ESTABLISHMENT OF TRACK AND RACES TO BE PLAYED
-- The higher ranked player will be allowed to select the track and races to be played for games 1,3, and 5, and must post subject information in the designated thread no later than 7:00 p.m. Eastern time the night before the scheduled game. The lower ranked player will be responsible for doing so for games 2 and 4. Should a player miss their posting deadline, the first player to post after that time will set the track and races to be played.
-- Once posted, the track and list of races to be played can not be edited, except for the brief few minutes as permitted by the PaceAdvantage Forum application.
-- In addition to your public posting, it is recommended that the player setting the track and races to be played also advise their opponent of subject info via private message.
-- With one exception, only races with free Brisnet Past Performances can be chosen as contest races. The track/race selector must personally verify that subject race PPs are available on http://www.trks2day.com/trks2day.html. (New for 2014) By approval of the player not setting the track/races, a GAME can include races where free Brisnet PPs are not available. Acknowledgement must be made here and before the contest starts.

5. WAGERING AMOUNTS and TYPES
-- Players will be required to wager exactly $100 per contest race, and may do so using one or more of the following wagering types: Win, Place, Show, Exacta, Quinella, Trifecta, Superfecta, Daily Double, Pick 3, Pick 4, and Pick 5.
-- Should a player wager MORE than $100 in a given race, their selections will be reduced by one of the moderators in the usual manor for over-bets.
-- Should a player wager LESS than $100 in a given race, $100 will still be used for the purpose of calculating ROIs.
-- The minimum base wager amount for any selection is $1, and can be increased by $1 increments.
-- Although it should be obvious, horizontal wagers such as the Daily Double, Pick 3, etc. can only be made when subject races are designated by the player setting the track and races.
-- Wagers involving horizontal legs are applied entirely to the first race in that leg. (Example: A player wagers $20 in Daily Doubles involving races 1 and 2. The entire $20 wager amount would count toward the amount wagered in race 1.).

6. POSTING OF SELECTIONS
-- Game selections for all 5 races must be made in a single posting at least 1 minute prior to the race off time of the first contest race. Should a posting be late, any races that do not meet the 1 minute prior to race off time requirement will be counted as a loss of $100.
-- Selections are not allowed to include any alternate or conditional selections.
-- Once posted, selections can not be modified or changed, except for the brief few minutes "edits" are allowed by the PaceAdvantage Forum application. (Should you do so, remember that the timestamp of the "edited" post must also be at least one minute before your first contest race goes off.). Before "Submitting" a post, remember the "Preview Post" option is your friend. ;)

7. SCRATCHES
-- (New for 2014) Players must make sure that their selections do not contain any already-known scratches. If they do, any wagers they are a part of should be scored as losing ones. Should a scratch occur after the time a selection is posted, then subject scratch will receive a designed replacement. The first replacement to be used should be the Post Time Favorite, provided it produces a legal wager. If not, they go the 2nd favorite, 3rd favorite, etc., until a legal wager is made. When a replacement substitution is made, the base wager amount is never to be increased. The Contest Manager can assist you when this situation occurs. In addition, examples will be provided in a later post.

8. COUPLED ENTRIES
-- When a selection involves an entry, players will be required to take ALL parts of that entry. Players will not be allowed the option to choose only part of an entry. Should all parts of the entry be scratched, the involved selections will be treated as refunds, otherwise, the player will have action.

9. SELECTION FORMAT
-- In order to avoid possible confusion with any of your selections, it is highly recommended that you spell out things clearly and with little to no abbreviations. The following is a good model to follow:


FORMAT --> Track, Race#, Base Wager Amount, Selections, ($ Total)

Example 1: Penn National, Race#4, $50 Exacta Box 2,3 ($100 total)

Example 2: Penn National, Race#5, $40 Win/Place #1 ($80 total)
Race#5, $4 Exacta #1 with 2,4 ($8 total)
Race#5, $2 Trifecta Key #1 with 2,4 with 2,4,8,9 ($12 total)
Grand Total = $100

10. SCORING and REPORTING
-- All matches will be self-scored between the two competing players. Occasional assistance is available with a moderator.
-- Either player can report the results of a game/match, but responsibility lies with the winner.
-- This contest is different in that players are essentially responsible for making sure their matches are conducted in accordance with all applicable contest rules. Because of this, Moderators will only get involved to resolve disputes and/or help with scoring questions when requested to do so by one of the players.
-- Any disputes as to who the winner of a game is should be reported ASAP.

11. FORUM THREADS
-- To make for a smooth and trouble-free contest, please submit your postings under the specifically designated threads.

12. DECISIONS
-- The contest Administration shall have the final word regarding any matter.
-- Good sportsmanship is expected to rule the day.



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Track Collector
09-17-2014, 11:57 PM
Subject info is as of 09/23, 2:17 a.m.
Entry now closed. Field has been finalized.

Code:
Green means player has a guaranteed spot to play.
Blue means currently has a spot to play in the contest, but could be bumped out before contest sign-up ends.
Red means does not want to play.
Orange means wanted to play, but unfortunately bumped out by players with higher PACS points.
Black means intentions not made known yet.

Notes:
From this point forward, only players with 1300 or more PACS points have a chance to make entry into the contest field.
Players with the same amount of PACS points had their rankings determined by random drawing.


4600 Indypacer
4480 pat5336
4075 JETSWIN
3850 parshooter
3710 ten2oneormore
3670 turfeyejoe
3650 Beachbabe
3640 turffan
3640 Immanual Kant
3600 Racetrack Playa
3600 AlbertButtry
3510 horses4courses
3430 ndsc32
3185 TBred17Roan
3175 Red Knave
3000 Maxximum
3000 willphorse
2950 camourous
2940 Ted Craven (RDSS)
2770 maclr11
2700 mrhorseplayer
2595 iwearpurple
2555 JolyB
2450 snickster
2425 Track Collector
2270 goatchaser
2250 tomack59 (RDSS)
2150 FunkyMonkey
2070 pioneer476
1960 oneg12
1950 gfnut (RDSS)
1910 mudcat
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1900 098poi
1750 Charli125
1640 MONEY
1635 spicytomato
1590 cutchemist42
1570 dogkatcher (RDSS)
1520 jms62 (RDSS)
1520 tiger rose
1500 Smokinjoe@bp
1500 Fastracehorse
1480 cdax
1475 AxleLoad
1440 highrider
1345 Gary~G1
1325 rmath (RDSS)
1300 Nets
1300 biggestal99
1300 FiveWide
1270 Aner
1250 gaz
1180 Fwizard (RDSS)
1180 mowens33 (RDSS)
1180 LAP_520
1175 Gapfire
1165 Stan717
1125 pigpen
1125 moneyandland
1125 freehouse2002
1125 rgustafson
1120 auntjanet5 (RDSS)
1120 buffaloxp (RDSS)
1115 Mana
1105 Maumeeriverangler
1105 Jay Trotter
1100 alydar
1080 davew
1020 Light
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975 dylbert
400 woodtoo
000 Kmac1470

Track Collector
09-17-2014, 11:59 PM
Listed below are some examples of the scratch replacement rule process. At first they may seem a bit complicated, but after reviewing them you will hopefully see they are relatively straight-forward and pretty much free of subjectivity. When not sure, I am available for consultation and assistance.

Example A
Wager Selection --> $20 Exacta 3 with 1,4,5,6 ($80)
Conditions: The #4 is scratched, and the #5 is the Post Time Favorite.
Rule Application: Replace the scratched horse with the PTF if it makes a legal ticket, and if not go in progression from the 2nd favorite, 3rd favorite, until a legal ticket can be made.
Adjusted Selections:
Original Tickets
$20 Exacta 3-1 --> Remains unchanged
$20 Exacta 3-4 --> Becomes $20 Exacta 3-5
$20 Exacta 3-5 --> Remains unchanged
$20 Exacta 3-6 --> Remains unchanged
Comments: The player ends up with two tickets that are identical, and if the 3-5 exacta comes in and pays $16 for a 2-dollar payout, the player would receive winning credit of $160 for each ticket (or $320 total).

Example B
Wager Selection --> $20 Exacta 3 with 1,4,5,6 ($80)
Conditions: The #3 is scratched, the #4 is the PTF, and the #6 is the 2nd favorite.
Rule Application: Replace the scratched horse with the PTF if it makes a legal ticket, and if not go in progression from the 2nd favorite, 3rd favorite, until a legal ticket can be made.
Adjusted Selections:
Original Tickets
$20 Exacta 3-1 --> Becomes $20 Exacta 4-1
$20 Exacta 3-4 --> First becomes $20 Exacta 4-4 (not legal ticket) --> Then becomes $20 Exacta 4-6
$20 Exacta 3-5 --> Becomes $20 Exacta 4-5
$20 Exacta 3-6 --> Becomes $20 Exacta 4-6
Comments: The #3 gets replaced by the PTF. Because one ticket was still not legal by using the PTF, we went to the second favorite. As in example A, the player ended up with two identical, but legal tickets.

JETSWIN
09-18-2014, 09:26 AM
chris, i hope you don't mind me posting this here but why the 32 limit this year, most here enjoy and look foward to these contest and they probably visit the site much more than some of us

ndsc32
09-18-2014, 03:59 PM
Chris, With regards to rule 7, one area I don't understand is listed as follows:

The first replacement to be used should be the Post Time Favorite, provided it produces a legal wager.

What is a legal wager?? and could you explain it further?

ten2oneormore
09-18-2014, 06:10 PM
Gets kind of murky when you get into vertical exotics


If everyone waited for scratches and changes it would be rare.Only happening with a late scratch or gate scratch.

The rule leaves room to post your picks before scratches and changes.Which will turn into a mess if you do it either the night before or in the AM when races get moved to the main track from turf.

If you have 7/1,2 exacta with 1 being the fave.7 scratches 1/1,2 wouldn't be legal unless you changed the amount of ticket from $2 (7/1,2) to $4 (1/2) .So do you get 2nd fave/1,2 ? Or does the fave get moved to the key and 2nd choice gets put underneath?

Say someone picks the night before and all turf races get moved to the main.He/She could have 1,2/1,2,3,4/1,2,3,4 . All the 1,2,3 scratch and the 4 ends up being favored.

BTW thx for addressing this issue regardless.Doesn't seem fair when someone wins profiting on $200 wagered over someone who profited on the full $500.

Maybe the only way to fix these scenarios is to just have people play that can post their picks after scratches and changes are released.

horses4courses
09-18-2014, 07:17 PM
Maybe the only way to fix these scenarios is to just have people play that can post their picks after scratches and changes are released.

Penalize people who have to work for a living?
How ridiculous.

ten2oneormore
09-18-2014, 08:32 PM
Penalize people who have to work for a living?
How ridiculous.

So if you can post after scratches and changes that means you don't work for a living?
Pot meet kettle.

I was just throwing it out there.

You know if you have time to play the FREE CONTEST then play the FREE CONTEST.

Track Collector
09-18-2014, 11:42 PM
chris, i hope you don't mind me posting this here but why the 32 limit this year, most here enjoy and look foward to these contest and they probably visit the site much more than some of us

Long story short, Ted and I were trying to "improve" the rules on what is already a very difficult format to work with. In addition, we had to make sure we allowed a sufficient sign-up period, AND, not run on top of the Overlay Breeders Cup contest, which follows the Match Up contest.

One intent of this contest has always been that players had to "earn" their way in via their ranking with regard to total PACS points. With a 64-player contest, in past year we were fighting to get that many folks to enter, thus total PACS points were meaningless. With a 32-player contest, PACS points are very much a factor as to who gets to play and who has to sit out.

Track Collector
09-18-2014, 11:48 PM
Chris, With regards to rule 7, one area I don't understand is listed as follows:

The first replacement to be used should be the Post Time Favorite, provided it produces a legal wager.

What is a legal wager?? and could you explain it further?

One example:

You have a 3-1 exacta.
Say the #3 is the favorite and the #1 ends up getting scratched.
Substituting the Post Time Favorite for the scratched horse would give you a 3-3 exacta, which is impossible to occur.
Thus you would end up with a 3-x exacta, where x is the 2nd favorite (or second lowest odds horse in the race.).

It can get much more messy with trifectas and superfectas, and I'll post some more examples under post#3 when I get some time.

Track Collector
09-19-2014, 02:04 AM
Gets kind of murky when you get into vertical exotics. Yes it can.


If everyone waited for scratches and changes it would be rare.Only happening with a late scratch or gate scratch.

The rule leaves room to post your picks before scratches and changes.Which will turn into a mess if you do it either the night before or in the AM when races get moved to the main track from turf.

If you have 7/1,2 exacta with 1 being the fave.7 scratches 1/1,2 wouldn't be legal unless you changed the amount of ticket from $2 (7/1,2) to $4 (1/2) .So do you get 2nd fave/1,2 ? Or does the fave get moved to the key and 2nd choice gets put underneath? You get 2nd Fav / 1,2 if the #2 is not the second favorite. If it is, you get 3rd Fav / 1,2. By the way, in no case will the base wager amount ever be increased, even if in not doing so results in the player wagering less than $100 total for the race. The "shortfall" would simply be treated the same as a losing wager, and for ROI calculation purposes the player would be deemed to have wagered $100.

Say someone picks the night before and all turf races get moved to the main.He/She could have 1,2/1,2,3,4/1,2,3,4 . All the 1,2,3 scratch and the 4 ends up being favored. This one could certainly be complicated, and would be based on the type of wager made. A player should carefully consider (advance) weather conditions when choosing to select a Turf race. As stated in another place, contact the Contest Manager (me) if help is needed on a specific situation.

BTW thx for addressing this issue regardless.Doesn't seem fair when someone wins profiting on $200 wagered over someone who profited on the full $500. We "tried" to make it "more fair". Only time will tell if our new/changed rules helped.

Maybe the only way to fix these scenarios is to just have people play that can post their picks after scratches and changes are released. We ask folks to do this whenever possible. Priorities and other circumstances guarantee that folks can not be in compliance 100% of the time.

See answers in RED above.

tiger rose
09-19-2014, 08:10 AM
only 32 this year original post was top 64 ??

oneg12
09-21-2014, 07:48 PM
My name is in black but I voted and plan on playing. Thanks

pioneer476
09-22-2014, 04:12 PM
I voted in poll and my name is still in black. Does this mean I can't play

dylbert
09-22-2014, 09:58 PM
Subject info is as of 09/22, 8:40 a.m.
Please check back regularly for updates.

Code:
Green means player has a guaranteed spot to play.
Blue means currently has a spot to play in the contest, but could be bumped out before contest sign-up ends.
Red means does not want to play.
Orange means wanted to play, but unfortunately bumped out by players with higher PACS points.
Black means intentions not made known yet.

Notes:
From this point forward, only players with 1300 or more PACS points have a chance to make entry into the contest field.
Players with the same amount of PACS points had their rankings determined by random drawing.


4600 Indypacer
4480 pat5336
4075 JETSWIN
3850 parshooter
3710 ten2oneormore
3670 turfeyejoe
3650 Beachbabe
3640 turffan
3640 Immanual Kant
3600 Racetrack Playa
3600 AlbertButtry
3510 horses4courses
3430 ndsc32
3185 TBred17Roan
3175 Red Knave
3000 Maxximum
3000 willphorse
2950 camourous
2940 Ted Craven (RDSS)
2770 maclr11
2700 mrhorseplayer
2595 iwearpurple
2555 JolyB
2450 snickster
2425 Track Collector
2270 goatchaser
2250 tomack59 (RDSS)
2150 FunkyMonkey
2070 pioneer476
1960 oneg12
1950 gfnut (RDSS)
1910 mudcat
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1900 098poi
1750 Charli125
1640 MONEY
1635 spicytomato
1590 cutchemist42
1570 dogkatcher (RDSS)
1520 jms62 (RDSS)
1520 tiger rose
1500 Smokinjoe@bp
1500 Fastracehorse
1480 cdax
1475 AxleLoad
1440 highrider
1345 Gary~G1
1325 rmath (RDSS)
1300 Nets
1300 biggestal99
1300 FiveWide
1270 Aner
1250 gaz
1180 Fwizard (RDSS)
1180 mowens33 (RDSS)
1180 LAP_520
1175 Gapfire
1165 Stan717
1125 pigpen
1125 moneyandland
1125 freehouse2002
1125 rgustafson
1120 auntjanet5 (RDSS)
1120 buffaloxp (RDSS)
1115 Mana
1105 Maumeeriverangler
1105 Jay Trotter
1100 alydar
1080 davew
1020 Light
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975 dylbert
400 woodtoo
000 Kmac1470
Darn, I can't play! Last year I got knocked out by someone lower than where I am this year. 32 is the new 64...

Has this message been deleted yet? :D

Track Collector
09-25-2014, 02:27 PM
FYI,

While not explicitly stated so in the rules, a horizontal-type wagers (Daily Double, Pick 3, etc.) can not be played unless ALL the associated races are selected as "contest races".

Example:
The contest races are Charles Town races 1,3,5,7, and 8.
Participants can not play a race 1 Daily Double, because it involves race 2, which is not one of the five above selected contest races.