Bush Was Right!

[PICSIX]

He tried to warn the U.S. about pulling out of Iraq.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1453870/president-bushs-predicted-in-2007-with-frightening-accuracy-what-is-happening-today-in-iraq/

[Marshall Bennett]

Has to be frustrating to understand the complexity of a dire situation and know the right moves, only to get ridiculed and bashed by ignorant liberals.
Ironically, as the chickens come home to roost, he finds himself getting blamed for what he warned would happen by the same ignorant liberals.
Funny how that works.

[Greyfox]

He tried to warn the U.S. about pulling out of Iraq.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1453870/president-bushs-predicted-in-2007-with-frightening-accuracy-what-is-happening-today-in-iraq/

If Bush Jr. hadn't gone in the first place, he wouldn't have had to worry about pulling out.

But he did go in, possibly due to faulty intelligence, without an exit plan.
Once in, even Bush Jr. was able to comprehend what a hornet's nest he'd gotten America into.

So let's not give him too much credit about warning about getting out of Iraq.

But let's not give Obama credit about how he departed that place.
Obama has Muslim heritage in his background.
He would have been well aware of the ongoing rift between Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds.
His efforts to reach a Status of Forces Agreement with al-Maliki were very feeble.
He also knew that al-Maliki's Shia dominant regime was treating Sunnis and Kurds as second class citizens.
He would have known or should have known that civil war was forthcoming.
Yet Obama and Joe Biden tried to lead everyone to believe that everything in Iraq was "Okie Dokie."
Who did they think they were fooling by perpetuating that myth?
To top it off in 2013 Obama went on to foolishly proclaim:
"The War on Terror is Over!"
See: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/05/23/obama-global-war-on-terror-is-over

Then just last week Obama told a Democratic fundraiser crowd words to the effect that America had never been safer in the last twenty, twenty five, thirty years.
Once again, I find it hard to believe that he really believes that.
He tells his groupies what they want to hear.

[Robert Goren]

If Bush Jr. hadn't gone in the first place, he wouldn't have had to worry about pulling out.

But he did go in, possibly due to faulty intelligence, without an exit plan.
Once in, even Bush Jr. was able to comprehend what a hornet's nest he'd gotten America into.

So let's not give him too much credit about warning about getting out of Iraq.

But let's not give Obama credit about how he departed that place.
Obama has Muslim heritage in his background.
He would have been well aware of the ongoing rift between Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds.
His efforts to reach a Status of Forces Agreement with al-Maliki were very feeble.
He also knew that al-Maliki's Shia dominant regime was treating Sunnis and Kurds as second class citizens.
He would have known or should have known that civil war was forthcoming.
Yet Obama and Joe Biden tried to lead everyone to believe that everything in Iraq was "Okie Dokie."
Who did they think they were fooling by perpetuating that myth?
To top it off in 2013 Obama went on to foolishly proclaim:
"The War on Terror is Over!"
See: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/05/23/obama-global-war-on-terror-is-over

Then just last week Obama told a Democratic fundraiser crowd words to the effect that America had never been safer in the last twenty, twenty five, thirty years.
Once again, I find it hard to believe that he really believes that.
He tells his groupies what they want to hear. Obama is right in the extent that the only real damage to America can only be done by an A-Bomb. The likelihood of a nuclear attack against the United States continues to go down every year. The chance of a terrorist attack by either Islamic terrorists or Timothy McVeigh wanttabes is probably higher now than it was. But we don't for sure how much of threat of either is. ISIS for all of its talk has not yet struck outside of the Middle East. al Qaeda is shell of former self, but new terrorist groups are being formed all the time in the Islamic world and sooner or later they will hit the US. Most people thought we were safe from Chechens, but we found out we were not. I am actually more fearful of them than ISIS because they have proven they can and will strike here. As for the TM wanttabes, who knows when one of those nuts will be crazy enough to strike yet sane enough to figure out how to kill more than 3 people at once. Right there is about one of them going off some place a month but they are seldom able to kill more than one or two people and they usually do not get much national coverage. The guy in KC and the couple in NV earlier in the year are two that got a little national coverage, but they are the exception, not the rule.

[Greyfox]

Obama is right in the extent that the only real damage to America can only be done by an A-Bomb.

Are you kidding us?:faint:

You don't think that 9-11 damaged America?
You don't think that event incurred tremendous National debt on the populace?
You don't think that biological weapons like Anthrax couldn't decimate America?
Wow.

[FantasticDan]

He tried to warn the U.S. about pulling out of Iraq.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1453870/president-bushs-predicted-in-2007-with-frightening-accuracy-what-is-happening-today-in-iraq/Bush accurately described many of the sectarian concerns that are now happening, but he also recognized that the US had been there a LONG time, and had to withdraw at some point. That's why, a year after making the aformentioned comments, he announced the status of forces agreement which outlined our withdrawal, and which Obama held to:

Bush, Nov. 2008:

Earlier today, in another sign of progress, Iraq’s Council of Representatives approved two agreements with the United States, a Strategic Framework Agreement and a Security Agreement, often called a Status of Forces Agreement or SOFA. The Strategic Framework Agreement sets the foundation for a long-term bilateral relationship between our two countries, and the Security Agreement addresses our presence, activities, and withdrawal from Iraq. Today’s vote affirms the growth of Iraq’s democracy and increasing ability to secure itself. We look forward to a swift approval by Iraq’s Presidency Council.

Two years ago, this day seemed unlikely – but the success of the surge and the courage of the Iraqi people set the conditions for these two agreements to be negotiated and approved by the Iraqi parliament. The improved conditions on the ground and the parliamentary approval of these two agreements serve as a testament to the Iraqi, Coalition, and American men and women, both military and civilian, who paved the way for this day.

As the two agreements move to Iraq’s Presidency Council for final approval, we congratulate the members of the Council of Representatives for coming together to approve these historic agreements that will serve the shared and enduring interests of both our countries and the region.

[fast4522]

Just for RG, Kelly File

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP28xtVL1ag

[Greyfox]

Just for RG, Kelly File

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP28xtVL1ag

The speech writer who wrote those prophetic words for Bush was Marc Thiessen.

Someone should recruit that guy for President. He nailed it.

[fast4522]

Presidents put notes together and hand over to the speech writer, he then puts together and sends to the President. Sometimes it goes several times until the President gets what he wants. Kelly credits the writer, and he in turn credits the President watch the video again if needed.

[Greyfox]

Presidents put notes together and hand over to the speech writer, he then puts together and sends to the President. Sometimes it goes several times until the President gets what he wants. Kelly credits the writer, and he in turn credits the President watch the video again if needed.

C'mon.
I don't give Bush Jr. credit for having that foresight.
Thiessen was the thinker behind the content of that speech.
David Frum used to write a lot of Bush's earlier speeches and Bush read them word for word.

[fast4522]

Not only did President have that foresight, but he said the same thing over and over for months. Just like OBO did when he said you could keep your insurance.

[Robert Goren]

Are you kidding us?:faint:

You don't think that 9-11 damaged America?
You don't think that event incurred tremendous National debt on the populace?
You don't think that biological weapons like Anthrax couldn't decimate America?
Wow. Not anymore than the OK city bombing did six years before. The country survived both without much real damage. Do you think it was comparable to happened to Europe in WWII. or what happened Hiroshima when we drop the A-bomb on it? Unlike you I don't think the national debt is much of a problem. While the biological weapons sound bad, in practice they are much to hard to for terrorists to handle. Even governments have trouble when tried to use them. Saddam Hussein had some to use in the first Gulf War, but could not use them effectively. That why he got rid of them as part of the peace deal. The real threat is nuclear weapons. They wipe out large cities with one bomb, not just one building.

[Greyfox]

Not anymore than the OK city bombing did six years before. The country survived both without much real damage. Do you think it was comparable to happened to Europe in WWII. or what happened Hiroshima when we drop the A-bomb on it? Unlike you I don't think the national debt is much of a problem. While the biological weapons sound bad, in practice they are much to hard to for terrorists to handle. Even governments have trouble when tried to use them. Saddam Hussein had some to use in the first Gulf War, but could not use them effectively. That why he got rid of them as part of the peace deal. The real threat is nuclear weapons. They wipe out large cities with one bomb, not just one building.

I'm well aware of the devastating power of nuclear weapons.
The OK bombing did not generate the increased surveillance and security that 9-11 did.
Osama bin Laden's goal was to attack the American economy.
That is why he deliberately choose the World Trade Center.
Since that time the National Debt has spiralled out of control, which was bin Laden's major goal.
9-11 triggered the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq imposing huge costs on America.
The National Debt will be Bush Jr and Obama's legacy to your grand children.
Sooner or later it has to be dealt with.
It's interest costs alone are crippling.

[Robert Goren]

Just for RG, Kelly File

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP28xtVL1ag Strange they mention how much better it would have been if their darling hadn't invade the place in the first place. Too bad Bush hadn't followed his father lead. Bush 41 knew that going into Iraq would be a disaster. If Obama had listen Bush, how soldiers would have been killed? I guarantee that it would have been a lot more than a few journalists. How many soldiers are worth one journalist?

[fast4522]

RG, you just can't keep your shit straight, it is not about what I want or you want. It is about not putting knee pads on to take it up the rear, your view of our position in the world does not say much about you. There are many here who have proudly served with distinction under President's Bush 41 & 43. And this lets pretend shit that you know what your talking about 41 or 43 from a parking lot attendant is just ridiculous. We happen to agree about Obama doing nothing at the moment only because on the green all he can do is destroy the sod. Your man should write a new book, "All the wrong moves".

[PhantomOnTour]

Anyone watch SPIES on PBS a few nights ago?

It spelled out how an Iraqi national told his US handlers about Saddam's mobile chem weapon trucks, from which diagrams were drawn...and he admitted it was a total lie because he hated Saddam and wanted him ousted.

That bit of false intelligence was part of our reason for going back into Iraq.

[PhantomOnTour]

Anyone watch SPIES on PBS a few nights ago?

It spelled out how an Iraqi national told his US handlers about Saddam's mobile chem weapon trucks, from which diagrams were drawn...and he admitted it was a total lie because he hated Saddam and wanted him ousted.

That bit of false intelligence was part of our reason for going back into Iraq.
To add a little more...the Iraqi fellow said he had worked on or even supervised these chem weapons trucks and factories making chem weapons. He was talking with American intel in Germany at the time and now says it was a total lie.

[rastajenk]

What's his credibility, if he has already lied?

[fast4522]

I have news for you, we all hated Saddam. It was a great pleasure seeing him swing as the life rattled out of his limbs.

[PhantomOnTour]

I have news for you, we all hated Saddam. It was a great pleasure seeing him swing as the life rattled out of his limbs.
And we all like ice cream...your point?

[fast4522]

And we all like ice cream...your point?

only half shared your view.

[cj's dad]

So, POT, whats your point/ Is not the world and particularly Iraq better off now that Saddam Husseim is dead ?

[Tom]

Presidents put notes together and hand over to the speech writer, he then puts together and sends to the President. Sometimes it goes several times until the President gets what he wants.

so, Obama's speech might go like this.....

"FORE! score, and seven holes ago...."

[Tom]

So, POT, whats your point/ Is not the world and particularly Iraq better off now that Saddam Husseim is dead ?

Guess we should not have gone to Normandy. HITLER never attacked us.
Why did we not just go after Japan?

That Roosevelt was a FOOL, It tell ya. A FOOL.

[MutuelClerk]

Bush was right?

Finally.....

[PhantomOnTour]

So, POT, whats your point/ Is not the world and particularly Iraq better off now that Saddam Husseim is dead ?
My point is obvious - PBS is basically reporting that false intelligence played a role in the USA going back into Iraq.
If that false intelligence came under a Dem President you guys would be shitting in your knickers and posting it everywhere....and that's undeniable.
All I'm saying is that is what I saw on PBS.

I urge y'all to try to find a clip of this show SPIES online somewhere. It was very interesting and dealt mostly with British intel and MI-5. The segment about this guy from Iraq was at the end of the program.
They did say there will be another SPIES show...next week I believe.
Check it out

[PhantomOnTour]

Go to YouTube or Google, "The spies who fooled the world"

This isn't the exact program I watched, but the first guy they interview is the one I am referring to (code name Curveball)

[Tom]

If that false intelligence came under a Dem President you guys would be shitting in your knickers and posting it everywhere....and that's undeniable.

I watched PA's video - many DEMS were using much of that false intel long before Bush was elected.

the difference was, Bush has a Pentagon being rebuilt and two towers laying on the ground in NYC, and a known tyrant who had already invaded a neighboring country, set fire to their oil wells, and was firing on US Air Force Jets. We had a Navy ship nearly sunk in the area, and not a thing was done by the Democrat pedophile.

Bush' main mistake was he never hit Iraq anywhere near as hard as he should have.

[PhantomOnTour]

Anyone watch SPIES on PBS a few nights ago?

It spelled out how an Iraqi national told his US handlers about Saddam's mobile chem weapon trucks, from which diagrams were drawn...and he admitted it was a total lie because he hated Saddam and wanted him ousted.

That bit of false intelligence was part of our reason for going back into Iraq.
Error - he told his German handlers...US intel never met Curveball. The Germans only passed along what they had, but refused to let US intel come into contact with Curveball.

[PhantomOnTour]

I watched PA's video - many DEMS were using much of that false intel long before Bush was elected.

the difference was, Bush has a Pentagon being rebuilt and two towers laying on the ground in NYC, and a known tyrant who had already invaded a neighboring country, set fire to their oil wells, and was firing on US Air Force Jets. We had a Navy ship nearly sunk in the area, and not a thing was done by the Democrat pedophile.

Bush' main mistake was he never hit Iraq anywhere near as hard as he should have.
I haven't blamed anyone here...haven't pointed a finger at Bush or the GOP.
I am merely reporting what PBS reported, and as usual, some folks are getting a bit defensive :D

He fooled England and Germany (for a little while) also.
BTW - I didn't watch PA's video...what is it about?

[fast4522]

President George W Bush was an honorable while in office, just as his father was when he was in office. Many would try to paint them otherwise but in the end both were true to our country. You just can not say the same about everybody, no matter how you try to paint that one.

Another subject, because this is as good a spot as any right now.

There was a great loss of life on 9-11 and so many were true to our country on that day and following days to rise to the call and help. For myself I think it is best to have a moment of silence that will last all day in posting.

[Tom]

I haven't blamed anyone here...haven't pointed a finger at Bush or the GOP.
I am merely reporting what PBS reported, and as usual, some folks are getting a bit defensive :D

He fooled England and Germany (for a little while) also.
BTW - I didn't watch PA's video...what is it about?

Not you specifically.
But many here are totally ignoring the FACT that much of the left was in favor of removing the garbage and voted for it, yet now it was Bush's fault.
Yes, there was faulty intel, but hindsight is great, isn't it.

These turncoats are not reliable - you cannot trust them.
They are the cowards who are behind you all the way until trouble shows up,
They attack Bush so they don't have to admit the Obama faillure.
Quissli
The Vichy French.

[delayjf]

If Bush Jr. hadn't gone in the first place, he wouldn't have had to worry about pulling out.

But we would have to worry about Muslim terrorist getting their hands on Syria's supply of chemical weapons.