undesirable's in Las Vegas

[lamboguy]

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/1999/jul/04/whos-on-the-list/

[rastajenk]

You on that list?

[Stillriledup]

So everyone who's been to Vegas since 1999 is desirable. :D

[PaceAdvantage]

That web page was written in 1999.

[classhandicapper]

"Frank Larry Rosenthal"

"Anthony Joseph Spilotro"

:lol:

[thaskalos]

That list is in dire need of revision.

[Fingal]

You have to wonder what's been going on in the last 15 years.

Or is it like the old bit of " Ask me no questions & I'll tell you no lies "?

[Mineshaft]

im still trying to figure out what this thread has to do with horse racing.

[PaceAdvantage]

Good point.

[lamboguy]

its pretty obvious that a few guys on the list were involved in some type of race fixing

[boxcar]

im still trying to figure out what this thread has to do with horse racing.

I have a better question: What does Off Topic have to do with horse racing?

Boxcar

[RaceBookJoe]

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/1999/jul/04/whos-on-the-list/

Definitely needs updating, I didn't move here until 2000 :)

[Mineshaft]

its pretty obvious that a few guys on the list were involved in some type of race fixing



got it now i just saw that

[therussmeister]

I have a better question: What does Off Topic have to do with horse racing?

Boxcar
I have the best question: Why does it appear that Boxcar is unaware this thread was moved on or about 2:43PM CDT?

[horses4courses]

http://www.thegoodgamblingguide.co.uk/images/lasvegas/blackbook/perry.jpg

Richard Mark Perry also known as "Richie the Fixer" or Sam Perry. Perry was added to the list of undesirables in 1992, mainly because of two felony convictions for influencing the outcome of sporting events. Both of these cases involved individuals associated with the Luchese organized crime family. He was also convicted of tax evasion in 1996, for hiding money from a bookmaking business. Perry is reportedly residing in Florida at the present time.

A lengthy list of reasons banned Perry from casinos, including his 1974 conviction for conspiring to bribe jockeys at the Yonkers and Roosevelt race tracks in New York and his 1984 conviction for bribing Boston College basketball players. Perry helped perpetrate the Boston College basketball point-shaving scandal (1978-79) and the 1973 Superfecta harness racing scandal in New York state.

In the Superfecta races ... a bettor had to pick the first four winners in a race in their exact order. Perry figured that by getting two or three of the drivers to pull back or get their horses boxed in, we could eliminate two or three of the eight horses from the race. Then we could bet multiples of the remaining combinations at minimum cost. The payoff in a superfecta race was usually about $3,000, and it cost $5,040 to buy one ticket for all possible winning combinations. But the ring only needed to bet on the horses it hadn't secretly eliminated. That cost only $1,089, guaranteeing them a profit of nearly $2,000 per set of tickets.

Never met the man, but I dealt with several over the years who were
associates of his. One guy, in particular, was very close to Perry.

Like Perry, he was barred from harness tracks, except his shady
dealings were in Chicago. This man (still alive, to my knowledge)
bet money, both race and sports, in Nevada for a number of people
wishing to keep a low profile. Anyone remember jockey Ron Hansen?

The black book is updated from time to time - at least annually.
True, there are many in it who are long since gone.
Once you're in it, though, you're a lifer. ;)

[horses4courses]

It's easy to appreciate the thinking behind the updates, or lack thereof.
Not as if they are going to follow up on the whereabouts, or current well being,
of most of the scumbags in the black book.

Recent additions to the list are forwarded regularly to Nevada casinos.
The dead ones won't be cheating much anymore. ;)

[lamboguy]

there were a bunch of phone booths right outside Churchill Downs race and sports book. the feds always had them tapped, they probably tapped every phone up and down Las Vegas Blvd.

i wonder why Gary Austin never made that black book. he staged a phony stickup and left town with everyones money

[PaceAdvantage]

OK, I'm moving the thread back to racing...lol...first time in 15 years I've had to move a thread back... :lol:

[bello]

http://www.thegoodgamblingguide.co.uk/images/lasvegas/blackbook/perry.jpg



Never met the man, but I dealt with several over the years who were
associates of his. One guy, in particular, was very close to Perry.

Like Perry, he was barred from harness tracks, except his shady
dealings were in Chicago. This man (still alive, to my knowledge)
bet money, both race and sports, in Nevada for a number of people
wishing to keep a low profile. Anyone remember jockey Ron Hansen?

The black book is updated from time to time - at least annually.
True, there are many in it who are long since gone.
Once you're in it, though, you're a lifer. ;)

Do you mean this Ron Hansen

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/14/sports/sp-12605

More theories about his death than Jimmy Hoffa

[magwell]

there were a bunch of phone booths right outside Churchill Downs race and sports book. the feds always had them tapped, they probably tapped every phone up and down Las Vegas Blvd.
Your pix was also taken when you left the CD race book.The guy who calls the races at Woodbine his voice always reminds me of that place, the guy would say on the loud speaker "they running" and then later would say "results coming" before they marked the results on the chalk board....

[horses4courses]

Do you mean this Ron Hansen

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/14/sports/sp-12605

More theories about his death than Jimmy Hoffa

The same one, yes.
At least some of the money he would bet came through Lake Tahoe.

[BlueShoe]

there were a bunch of phone booths right outside Churchill Downs race and sports book. the feds always had them tapped, they probably tapped every phone up and down Las Vegas Blvd.
Before the Stardust and Union Plaza opened racebooks in the mid 70's that was my old hangout to bet the horses. Never made a phone call, but my picture was taken and may exist in some old molding book someplace? :D

The Black Book is not the same as the infamous Griffin Book, known to all serious advantage players as a place you never want to be found in. :) Back in my card counting years I was just small fry that flew under the radar, no never came remotely close to making it. :ThmbUp:

[lamboguy]

Before the Stardust and Union Plaza opened racebooks in the mid 70's that was my old hangout to bet the horses. Never made a phone call, but my picture was taken and may exist in some old molding book someplace? :D

The Black Book is not the same as the infamous Griffin Book, known to all serious advantage players as a place you never want to be found in. :) Back in my card counting years I was just small fry that flew under the radar, no never came remotely close to making it. :ThmbUp:i worked in the crap pit in the Alladin, we had a list of people that were known capper's and pad rollers. we had a guy that tried to sneak in every time they re-surfaced a crap table. the guy came from Miami and he was good, he loved the feel of new cloth.

[Mineshaft]

Before the Stardust and Union Plaza opened racebooks in the mid 70's that was my old hangout to bet the horses. Never made a phone call, but my picture was taken and may exist in some old molding book someplace? :D

The Black Book is not the same as the infamous Griffin Book, known to all serious advantage players as a place you never want to be found in. :) Back in my card counting years I was just small fry that flew under the radar, no never came remotely close to making it. :ThmbUp:




Loved the Stardust..........

[BlueShoe]

Loved the Stardust..........
Likewise, but in the early and mid 80's gradually moved over to the Sands, and spent much time there until it's 1996 closing. Nothing special about the book, but got very good low level comps there. Also about this time discovered Laughlin, and was also spending time at Lake Tahoe. Las Vegas as a destination faded away, and have not been there in years, although every once in awhile do have the urge to go back and view the changes, which quite likely I would not like. :)

[affirmedny]

this is the current list:

http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=72

[devilsbag]

this is the current list:

http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=72

Strange, when I first clicked on the link I thought I landed on my LinkedIn page. Meanwhile, everyone knows the industry needs fixing, so these are the people with the right experience.

[Valuist]

Do you mean this Ron Hansen

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/14/sports/sp-12605

More theories about his death than Jimmy Hoffa

So according to an admitted race fixer, "nothing to see here" re: Hansen.

[olddaddy]

Your pix was also taken when you left the CD race book.The guy who calls the races at Woodbine his voice always reminds me of that place, the guy would say on the loud speaker "they running" and then later would say "results coming" before they marked the results on the chalk board....

Brings back memories and the voice was very similar. I used to frequent both churchill and the rose bowl.

[Mr_Ed]

im still trying to figure out what this thread has to do with horse racing.


Why do YOU need to figure that out?

Just curious.

[horses4courses]

im still trying to figure out what this thread has to do with horse racing.

The link between Nevada and horse race betting is historically strong.
Especially California racing.
Every now and then, persons who ultimately
ended up in the black book, dabbled in race betting.

Up until the early 1990s, casinos booked race bets,
as Nevada had yet to adopt pari-mutuel wagering.
The limits for exotics were restrictive, but that didn't
bother people trying to get a decent win bet down,
while keeping the money away from the track,
allowing the odds to remain slightly higher.

Assorted racing connections, clockers, etc.,
used to love taking a shot at the Nevada books.,
Often times, too, they were successful.