The trainer list: Phasing out raceday meds

[Grits]

Well, here it is, gentlemen. A list of those trainers backing elimination of raceday medications.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/north-american-trainers-propose-phase-out-of-race-day-medication/

The comments on Paulick's page, one can be sure, will grow in number.

http://www.drf.com/news/high-profile-trainers-support-ban-lasix

edit to add the Form's article, moments ago.

[cj]

Pleasantly surprised at some of the names on that list, hope it continues to grow.

[Stillriledup]

Paging:


Kirk Ziadie
Bob Baffert
Jorge Navarro
Lisa Guerrero
Jamie Ness
Tom Aamos

Who'd i miss?

[Rex Phinney]

Paging:


Kirk Ziadie
Bob Baffert
Jorge Navarro
Lisa Guerrero
Jamie Ness
Tom Aamos

Who'd i miss?

I for one was shocked not to see John Shireffs on the list.

[Tom]

Are they talking about it or doing it?
When ALL their horses show up clean on race day, we have a story.

[Track Phantom]

No Ness? No Amoss? Weird.

[Fager Fan]

Can't make any judgements about those not on the list. They half-heartedly put together these lists. They probably called 2 dozen trainers, if that. If they really cared, really wanted to issue something meaningful, wouldn't they have called all the trainers at the biggest venues (if not all trainers at all tracks)? Sure, it'd have taken a few days instead of the 10 minutes it took them to draft this, but the work would've been worth it.

[nearco]

Can't make any judgements about those not on the list. They half-heartedly put together these lists. They probably called 2 dozen trainers, if that. If they really cared, really wanted to issue something meaningful, wouldn't they have called all the trainers at the biggest venues (if not all trainers at all tracks)? Sure, it'd have taken a few days instead of the 10 minutes it took them to draft this, but the work would've been worth it.

There's nothing stopping other trainers signing on and the list growing. It's a start, not a finish.

[Track Phantom]

There's nothing stopping other trainers signing on and the list growing. It's a start, not a finish.

No Ness? No Amoss? Weird! (8-1-2015 after the list is finalized).

[Fager Fan]

There's nothing stopping other trainers signing on and the list growing. It's a start, not a finish.

How did the last starts which looked quite similar fare?

I'm tired of half-assed nothingness coming from these groups with the power and resources to actually do something meaningful. This appears to have come from the Breeders' Cup though the write-ups aren't saying exactly who is behind this. That irritates me further - typical of racing's shoddy investigative journalism (basically non-existent) and lack of transparency.

[Appy]

Good comment nearco.
I am elated. This is something we (TB Owners, Jockey Club, and others) have been working on for years now, and now we are beginning to see real progress.
To get publicly committed support from personages such as those on this list will help make the movement snowball for the good of the horse.

[RacingFan1992]

I agree with nearco. This is only the start. Think about it. Before the start of a race you have to load the horses into the gate. To me this is a star studded field. D. Wayne Lukas, Todd Pletcher, and Kathy Ritvo. I hate going through each program and seeing A BIG GIANT "L" next to each name. This reminds me of the 1990 Belmont when Lasix was not allowed. I hope those days come back to us.

[nijinski]

I agree with nearco. This is only the start. Think about it. Before the start of a race you have to load the horses into the gate. To me this is a star studded field. D. Wayne Lukas, Todd Pletcher, and Kathy Ritvo. I hate going through each program and seeing A BIG GIANT "L" next to each name. This reminds me of the 1990 Belmont when Lasix was not allowed. I hope those days come back to us.

This was done prior to Lasix and rest assured this drug will be the stand off .

Soon after leaving the service in the mid-1940s, Mel Stute went to work as a groom for trainer Yorkie McLeod at the old Tanforan Racetrack near San Francisco. McLeod had a funny way of trying to prevent his horses from the age-old problem of bleeding. He would ask his young groom to wrap copper wire around the base of a horse’s tail before a race − thin, eight-inch strips of the sort you would find in hardware stores.

“I’d put it on as late as I could before going to the receiving barn, which was an hour before the race then,” said Stute, 84, who has been training in California for more than six decades. “You’d tighten it tight enough so they could feel it.”

The teenager did what he was told, however strange it sounded. Stute laughs now thinking about it.

[Appy]

Good story nijinski.

“You’d tighten it tight enough so they could feel it.”

Not so many years ago when I was working toward my license assisting an old trainer, he did exactly the same thing with an outstanding sprint mare who had bled. But he didn't just "tighten it tight enough so they could feel it". He twisted it tight like a tourniquet.

I wonder about the origins of that treatment. Who came up with the idea of curtailing circulation at the root of the tail as an inhibitor for bleeding?

[Grits]

And here I thought that TommieCopper junk advertised on TVG was a ruse.

[Grits]

https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/us-trainers-respond-proposal-supporting-furosemide-phase-out

http://www.drf.com/news/horsemens-groups-oppose-lasix-ban

[Tom]

How many on the list are running horses without this weekend?

[RacingFan1992]

Can EIPH be genetic? If the mother and father are bad bleeders, the offspring will be bad bleeders? Enlighten me people.

[nijinski]

Can EIPH be genetic? If the mother and father are bad bleeders, the offspring will be bad bleeders? Enlighten me people.

Probably so many factors . Going back to the 70's .Meadowlands
Some horseman thought a good amount of the bleeding problem
there was worsened by an air pollution element , not great for the lungs .


Horses working there vs on the farm . Likely many factors and much more
research needed .

[thespaah]

Well, here it is, gentlemen. A list of those trainers backing elimination of raceday medications.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/north-american-trainers-propose-phase-out-of-race-day-medication/

The comments on Paulick's page, one can be sure, will grow in number.

http://www.drf.com/news/high-profile-trainers-support-ban-lasix

edit to add the Form's article, moments ago.
I listened to Paulick in "Down the Stretch" with Dave Johnson and Bill Finley....Heard everyone's comments. Seems there's a lot of top guys that are in support of this.

[Tom]

Then why don't they?
No one is making them use drugs.
Talk is cheap.
Just say no. :rolleyes:

[nijinski]

Then why don't they?
No one is making them use drugs.
Talk is cheap.
Just say no. :rolleyes:

I agree Tom and on the money regarding this weekend . Most ,
almost all using Lasix other than Sheppard .

[Stillriledup]

Then why don't they?
No one is making them use drugs.
Talk is cheap.
Just say no. :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQXgVM30mIY :ThmbUp:

[therussmeister]

Then why don't they?
No one is making them use drugs.
Talk is cheap.
Just say no. :rolleyes:
You really can't figure out why they still use drugs? Give it another 30 seconds of thought.

Meanwhile, another opinion. (http://www.drf.com/news/horsemens-groups-oppose-lasix-ban)

[Tom]

Sarcasm....hence the :rolleyes:

[QTwithTQ]

Thoroughbred Racing Commentary is updating the original article with initial reactions from trainers on both sides of the fence. They just updated to include a comment from Rick Shosberg who vehemently opposes the group's proposal. There will be plenty of debate for the weeks to come.

US trainers respond to proposal supporting furosemide phase-out (https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/us-trainers-respond-proposal-supporting-furosemide-phase-out)

[Wickel]

No Scott Lake? Hmmm.