Obamacare California....22-88% increase

[JustRalph]

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-california-health-insurance-rates-surge-20140729-story.html

More here at Hot Air


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/31/obamacare-caused-some-premiums-to-nearly-double-in-california/

Happy California?

[newtothegame]

From your link above.....
" For many employers — those with 200 or more employees — the mandate comes into force for 2015, which means those businesses now have to decide whether to pay the rapidly increasing premiums, or opt out and pay fixed-rate fines instead."

I seem to recall this is EXACTLY what many of us said would come to pass.
And, trust me, if those fixed rate fines are cheaper, guess which way those evil corrupt companies will go???

The idea is and always has been for the government to take over healthcare. Once companies opt out, pay their fines, then the employee will be forced to the government run plans. This will cause an increased burden on the system.....and poof! :bang:

[hcap]

Which is it?

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obamacare-2015-rates-20140801-story.html#page=1

Obamacare premiums to rise a modest 4.2% in 2015

http://www.trbimg.com/img-53dad45d/turbine/la-fi-g-0801-obamacare-2015-rates/550/16x9

[Tom]

Obamacare premiums to rise a modest 4.2% in 2015


Well, that is not a $2500 decrease ow, is it?

And who is the pea brain whose chose the word modest?:lol:

[lamboguy]

before Obamacare, my wife was paying $750 a month without a crazy deductible. under the national plan, she can now get insurance if she wants it for $1250 a month and a $5000 deductible.

the reason why i am blaming everyone in our government, conservatives and liberals, is that they sold us out to the bankers and insurance company's.

the main problem i see with the phony healthcare that we get here is the price of it. my latest 2 examples are going to a sports medicine clinic that is an extension of a major hospital around here for a knee i wrecked running. i went in to the clinic at 10:00 a.m., filled out the paperwork and got a few x-rays. by 10:07 i walked into the doctor's room. he looked at me for about 5 minutes, made me walk on my toes and felt where the pain was coming from. he prescribed me Physical therapy and told me to come back in 6 weeks. i was out of his office at 10:18. i asked the guy that sat at the desk how much my visit cost that i just got done with, he told me $1480.

example #2 was i had a callus on the bottom of my foot that i couldn't get rid of, i went to a podiatrist, he snipped it off with a razor blade and it took him less than 2 minutes. the charge for that was $250.

the wrap up to this is that no insurance plans or non-plans are ever going to work as long as these places get away with charging the money that they charge. i am finding that arguing for or against Obamacare is nothing short of being a smokescreen for both sides doing the arguing. my personal belief is that people that can't afford healthcare should be treated the same as the people that have the money, but i know its impossible to provide them the heathcare and not bankrupt everyone else the way the system is set up now.

[JustRalph]

HCAP knows he's comparing apples to oranges

More obfuscation

Remember it's going to save every family 2500 a year :ThmbUp:

[horses4courses]

Happy California?

Such a redundant question.
We're always happy in California. :jump:

[Clocker]

Which is it?

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obamacare-2015-rates-20140801-story.html#page=1

Obamacare premiums to rise a modest 4.2% in 2015



From the other LA Times story linked in the OP:

"We're going to continue to see rates go up simply because ... no one has the ability to stop excessive rates," he said.

There was some good news: Jones said he expects 2015 increases will be lower. That's because insurers won't want to offend voters before they consider health insurance cost regulation, he said.

"There would be a huge public outcry and the public would respond at the ballot box," Jones said. "I have no question that what we're going to see ... will be much lower than would otherwise occur."

[Tom]

Such a redundant question.
We're always happy in California. :jump:

You never exhale, that's why!:D

[mostpost]

Which is it?

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obamacare-2015-rates-20140801-story.html#page=1

Obamacare premiums to rise a modest 4.2% in 2015

http://www.trbimg.com/img-53dad45d/turbine/la-fi-g-0801-obamacare-2015-rates/550/16x9
Just Ralph says you are comparing apples and oranges and I'm afraid he is right.
The story you linked to is about rates for 2015. His is about rates in 2014. My question is why couldn't he state that instead of making us figure it out? How difficult would it have been to explain the difference between the two posts.

Now to the content of JR's post.
1. Nothing is said about subsidies. The story is about rates, but does not mention subsidies. Many people may be paying less out of pocket now.
2. We don't know how much better the coverage may be for the higher premiums. JR's article says the study compared similar policies, but the study itself says it compared the most popular policies from 2013 with Bronze and Silver plans for 2014. That is not necessarily similar policies.
3. JR's article says that California does not regulate rates. Why wouldn't insurance companies raise rates more than is needed?

[mostpost]

HCAP knows he's comparing apples to oranges

More obfuscation

Remember it's going to save every family 2500 a year :ThmbUp:
Don't be so lazy. Tell us why they are apples and oranges. :ThmbDown:

[mostpost]

Well, that is not a $2500 decrease ow, is it?

And who is the pea brain whose chose the word modest?:lol:
Every time you or anyone else brings up the outdated, irrelevant $2500 decrease, you earn another point on the "You are an idiot" scoreboard.

[Clocker]

Every time you or anyone else brings up the outdated, irrelevant $2500 decrease, you earn another point on the "You are an idiot" scoreboard.

That's right. A political promise has a shelf life that expires at the date of the next election. Anyone that doesn't realize that it is outdated and irrelevant at that point is a low information voter. Which is to say, an idiot.

[mostpost]

That's right. A political promise has a shelf life that expires at the date of the next election. Anyone that doesn't realize that it is outdated and irrelevant at that point is a low information voter. Which is to say, an idiot.
Except that the $2500 statement came in 2007. There have been two presidential elections since, 2008 and 2013. Which means it is doubly extinct.

[Clocker]

Don't be so lazy. Tell us why they are apples and oranges. :ThmbDown:

The reason is clear from the LA Times story linked in the OP.

The insurance companies have adjusted to ObamaCare, and don't want to rock the boat now. They front loaded the rate increases into the 2014 rates. Now when the 2015 rates are announced in the fall, they will look relatively reasonable, and will not have a major impact on the election. They are trying to minimize any consumer rebellion against ObamaCare in November.

[Tom]

Except that the $2500 statement came in 2007. There have been two presidential elections since, 2008 and 2013. Which means it is doubly extinct.

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[Clocker]

The clips in that video have obviously been doctored. I heard him say that premiums would be reduced on average by $2500, but the libs swear he always said up to $2500.

But then, it is a double dead political promise, so I am just beating a dead horse.

Or a doubly dead horse.

[tucker6]

Who in the hell is bringing facts into an Obamacare thread?? :D

[BlueShoe]

Obamacare premiums to rise a modest 4.2% in 2015

http://www.trbimg.com/img-53dad45d/turbine/la-fi-g-0801-obamacare-2015-rates/550/16x9 So, according to LiberalSpeak, the fact that rates for 5 out of every 6 citizens's will go up is a good thing?? :confused: Did I do the math wrong, or perhaps did I just miss something? :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

So, according to LiberalSpeak, the fact that rates for 5 out of every 6 citizens's will go up is a good thing?? :confused: Did I do the math wrong, or perhaps did I just miss something? :rolleyes:

You missed the fact that all of those people used to have worthless policies foisted on them by bad-apple insurance companies. Now they all have great coverage. Now even a 55 year old single male is eligible for post-natal care and free abortifacients.

[BlueShoe]

You missed the fact that all of those people used to have worthless policies foisted on them by bad-apple insurance companies. Now they all have great coverage. Now even a 55 year old single male is eligible for post-natal care and free abortifacients.
But of course, how silly of me not to get it. Under ObamaCare 10 year old girls will now be eligible to receive free Viagra to treat their Ed.

[Clocker]

But of course, how silly of me not to get it. Under ObamaCare 10 year old girls will now be eligible to receive free Viagra to treat their Ed.

And you will be eligible to stay on your parents' plan until you are 26. :p

[tucker6]

But of course, how silly of me not to get it. Under ObamaCare 10 year old girls will now be eligible to receive free Viagra to treat their Ed.
As the libs state time and again, sex for ten year old girls is a human right. Stop being a right wing Neanderthal.

[JustRalph]

Ever notice when faced with horrible news about Obamacare, Mosty decides to make his response about the person that points it out?

Yep, Mosty is right about one thing. There is no discussion of subsidies. Subsidies that over half the country won't be getting based on the latest court rulings. Californians should get them. Bringing down those 88% increases to about 72%. That will help :ThmbUp:

Oh yeah, that's until the next set of lawsuits over subsidies hits the courts. The ones that involve equal protection and the fact that Congress passed a law that is unconstitutional on grounds of disparate treatment between the states.

[Clocker]

Ever notice when faced with horrible news about Obamacare, Mosty decides to make his response about the person that points it out?

SOP. Don't like the message, dismiss the messenger as an idiot.

[fast4522]

Ever notice when faced with horrible news about Obamacare, Mosty decides to make his response about the person that points it out?

Yep, Mosty is right about one thing. There is no discussion of subsidies. Subsidies that over half the country won't be getting based on the latest court rulings. Californians should get them. Bringing down those 88% increases to about 72%. That will help :ThmbUp:

Oh yeah, that's until the next set of lawsuits over subsidies hits the courts. The ones that involve equal protection and the fact that Congress passed a law that is unconstitutional on grounds of disparate treatment between the states.

One stake into the Marxist heart at a time, soon nothing will be attractive to the law any democrat will boast about.

[Tom]

So, according to LiberalSpeak, the fact that rates for 5 out of every 6 citizens's will go up is a good thing?? :confused: Did I do the math wrong, or perhaps did I just miss something? :rolleyes:

Leaver it to a lib to get the math wrong! :lol: