Obama considering refugee status for youths

[Clocker]

The NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/world/americas/administration-weighs-plan-to-move-processing-of-youths-seeking-entry-to-honduras-.html) reports that the administration is considering allowing children and youths from Honduras to enter the country as refugees or on emergency humanitarian grounds. The status would be granted by US officials in Honduras, and those approved would be able to enter the US legally. The "logic" is that this would end the border crisis because those entering the US would not be illegals, and they would not have too make the long dangerous trip through Mexico.

Except, of course, those not approved, for whatever reason, who would just enter illegal as before. :rolleyes:

Hoping to stem the recent surge of migrants at the Southwest border, the Obama administration is considering whether to allow hundreds of minors and young adults from Honduras into the United States without making the dangerous trek through Mexico, according to a draft of the proposal.

If approved, the plan would direct the government to screen thousands of children and youths in Honduras to see if they can enter the United States as refugees or on emergency humanitarian grounds. It would be the first American refugee effort in a nation reachable by land to the United States, the White House said, putting the violence in Honduras on the level of humanitarian emergencies in Haiti and Vietnam, where such programs have been conducted in the past amid war and major crises.

[tucker6]

Obama simply doesn't get it. If he does, then he's a criminal.

[davew]

so would they just fly them from Honduras/Guatemala to 'somewhere' in the USA?

[Clocker]

According to Obama, children in Honduras are entitled to refugee status because of gang violence there. But children in Chicago are not.

[Clocker]

so would they just fly them from Honduras/Guatemala to 'somewhere' in the USA?

Yes, but where is none of your business, because the children have the right to privacy.

[woodtoo]

Calling these youth, children, is a real stretch as over 90% are teenagers.

Zero's job is to protect the borders not exploit them and the FACT this was

pre- planned is a even more of a travesty.What kind of leader would subject

his citizens to the crimes,diseases,costs,etc. that will ensue? But then again

it is HIS plan as awful as it is.

[Clocker]

Some of the more cynical of citizens suggest that Democratic policies were aimed at gaining the Latino vote and making the GOP look racist, but it backfired.

[tucker6]

waiting for our lefty friends to tell us how this use of our tax money helps America. And forgive me if I call BS in advance if you even hint that this is a humanitarian crisis. This is pure politics disguised as a humanitarian effort.

[davew]

Some of the more cynical of citizens suggest that Democratic policies were aimed at gaining the Latino vote and making the GOP look racist, but it backfired.


How can you tell it backfired? Isn't it too early to tell and the effect (good, indifferent, bad) will more likely be seen in 4-6 years?

[Clocker]

How can you tell it backfired? Isn't it too early to tell and the effect (good, indifferent, bad) will more likely be seen in 4-6 years?

The results will be final in November. It is all about the elections. It backfired because Obama is losing Latino support due to his lack of leadership. Obama was in Texas for fund raisers and refused to visit the border. But he made a speech essentially blaming the Republicans for the border crisis. Even Democrats in Congress are complaining about his inaction.

This week he is spending 3 days on the west coast attending fund raisers. The number one priority on Obama's agenda is getting Democrats elected in November. He is giving no indication that he is concerned about the border or Gaza or Ukraine.

[tucker6]

he is Campaigner-In-Chief

[Clocker]

The administration plan is nonsense. The NY Times article says that the plan is based on an assumption that 5000 under-aged people in Honduras would apply for refugee status over 2 years, and that 1750 applications would be approved. Even the Times had trouble swallowing that one, pointing out that over 16,500 unaccompanied minors just from Honduras have entered the US since last October.

[tucker6]

The administration plan is nonsense. The NY Times article says that the plan is based on an assumption that 5000 under-aged people in Honduras would apply for refugee status over 2 years, and that 1750 applications would be approved. Even the Times had trouble swallowing that one, pointing out that over 16,500 unaccompanied minors just from Honduras have entered the US since last October.
if gang violence is the new criteria for refugee status, then why not just annex Mexico. The whole country is gang infested from the top down. This decision has no basis in the truth, but honestly nothing Obama does is truthful.

[Clocker]

if gang violence is the new criteria for refugee status, then why not just annex Mexico.

Nancy Pelosi says that it is all one big community that happens to have a border across it. Gee, could she be right? :rolleyes:

[tucker6]

Pelosi for President :lol: :lol:

[JustRalph]

No way in hell Obama has lost any support. As long as thousands get in. He is seen as a success. Heard a border agent on the radio today. He says 70% of the agents that used to guard the border are now working to babysit these "kids"

No-one is guarding the border. He said he's now more worried about who is crossing without detection. He predicted widespread influx of drugs and criminals into the big cities. It's now literally a walk in the park

[Tom]

Obama simply doesn't get it. If he does, then he's a criminal.
Bingo.
A criminal and a terrorist.
Definitely NOT an American.

[davew]

Bingo.
A criminal and a terrorist.
Definitely NOT an American.


He has dreams of his fathers

[Clocker]

A Pew Research (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/27/support-for-obama-health-care-law-has-eroded-among-hispanics/) poll shows that Hispanic approval of Obama has dropped from 63% in September, 2013, to 48% in March, 2014.


http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/03/FT_14.03.25_HispanicsObama_2-1.png

In a recent article, Michael Barone (http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-job-approval-drop-among-millennials-hispanics-undermines-predictions-of-permanent-democratic-majority/article/2549948) cited exit poll data in 2012 that showed a Hispanic approval rate of 71%. In a recent YouGov/Economist poll Hispanic approval was 44%.

Barone says:
Sluggish economic growth has hurt the young and Hispanics far more than others; Obamacare has young people subsidizing those age 50-64, who have much higher net worth; the Obamacare Spanish website was inoperative for two months.

More broadly, the experiences of the last five years may be undercutting Democrats' premise that big-government policies can help young people and Hispanics get ahead in life.

[Clocker]

No way in hell Obama has lost any support. As long as thousands get in. He is seen as a success.

Despite the wisdom of Nancy Pelosi, everything from our border south is not one big happy community. There is bias and even racism among groups that we refer to homogeniously as Hispanics.

Most of the illegals that have been here for some time are from Mexico. I have been hearing of resentment that the new UAM OTMs (unaccompanied minors other than Mexican) are getting preferential treatment from the administration, compared to Mexicans already here and working.

This is a case in point. Undocumented Mexicans are illegals, while undocumented OTMs are, in practice if not yet officially, treated as refugees.

[davew]

can the children in bad parts of Chicago and Detroit get similar refugee status?

[Clocker]

can the children in bad parts of Chicago and Detroit get similar refugee status?

Everything is just fine in Chicago. With all of the problems there solved, the mayor wants to bring in 1000 refugees (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/26/rahm-emanuel-send-illegal-immigrant-shelter-kids-c/)and take care of them.

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel wants to open the city up to more immigrant children crossing the border illegally, with plans to open up shelters in the city to 1,000 minors by the end of the year.

Mr. Emanuel’s office also plans to launch a “broad-based pro bono campaign,” using the city’s legal resources to council young immigrants.

[Clocker]

Obama also appears to be ready to offer "temporary" legal status to millions of adult illegals, including work permits. Before the election, of course.

From Time Magazine (http://time.com/3028637/obama-eyes-major-immigration-move/):

When President Obama issues executive orders on immigration in coming weeks, pro-reform activists are expecting something dramatic: temporary relief from deportation and work authorization for perhaps several million undocumented immigrants. If the activists are right, the sweeping move would upend a contentious policy fight and carry broad political consequences.

The activists met privately with the President and his aides June 30 at the White House, and say in that meeting Obama suggested he will act before the November midterm elections. They hope his decision will offer relief to a significant percentage of the estimated 11.7 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. “He seems resolute that he’s going to go big and go soon,” says Frank Sharry, executive director of the pro-reform group America’s Voice.

[TJDave]

Before the election, of course.

Sorry, I don't see how this would improve democrat's prospects. IMO, just the opposite.

Explain it to us.

[Clocker]

Sorry, I don't see how this would improve democrat's prospects. IMO, just the opposite.

Explain it to us.

I don't have a clue how he thinks it will help. I was just pointing out that he thinks so, and that politics seems to be the main driver in everything he does.

Obama suggested he will act before the November midterm elections

[Tom]

Is is just me, of does anyone else think Emanuel might be the reason Chicago streets flow with blood? A guy as obviously stupid and out of touch as he is can't be bringing anything to the table the helps REAL Americans.

This scumbag is why we need a 2nd Amendment.
To be ready to put HIS kind where they belong.
As long there are democrats, we need guns.

[OntheRail]

Everything is just fine in Chicago. With all of the problems there solved, the mayor wants to bring in 1000 refugees (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/26/rahm-emanuel-send-illegal-immigrant-shelter-kids-c/)and take care of them.

Come on... Rahmy don't give a rat azz about those 1000 little wetbacks... his eye on the 3000 to 5000 greenbacks a month each represents and his skim of it.

Hell as we speak his tailors fitting deeper pockets in all his suits... ;)

[JustRalph]

There's a huge shortage of dishwashers on Michigan ave

[BlueShoe]

He is giving no indication that he is concerned about the border or Gaza or Ukraine.
Or Benghazi, the IRS scandal, the VA disaster, etc. ad nauseum.

[Clocker]

Or Benghazi, the IRS scandal, the VA disaster, etc. ad nauseum.

Short timer syndrome, coasting toward retirement.

[davew]

Short timer syndrome, coasting toward retirement.


sadly not retirement but a new career giving speeches around the world for upwards of a half a million a pop :eek:

[PaceAdvantage]

Everything is just fine in Chicago. With all of the problems there solved, the mayor wants to bring in 1000 refugees (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/26/rahm-emanuel-send-illegal-immigrant-shelter-kids-c/)and take care of them.I think Rahm is doing this for selfish reason. With all these new children coming into the city, it should help to reduce overall average height of a Chicago city resident and might make him feel better about his own shortcomings.

Chalk this up to a "Napoleon Complex" sort of thingy...

[DJofSD]

You could call it that but there's a better and more accurate name: the drug cartels.

And what feeds and sustains the illicit business these cartels are involved in? The drugs used in the United States.

[Tom]

So Rahm is maintaining the customer base of his supporters?

[BlueShoe]

Short timer syndrome, coasting toward retirement.
How unfortunate, there is no way that I can think of that would make January 20, 2017 get here any sooner. :( The problem is that after he is gone, it will take years, or perhaps decades, to repair the damage and carnage he has left behind. Perhaps it can never be completely fixed, the Republic may have been altered for the worse forever.