A mind is a terrible thing to waste...

[Clocker]

...but then some people do not have one to start with.

A large public sector union (http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/10/union-cuts-ties-with-black-college-group-over-koch-donation/) says it is cutting ties with the United Negro College Fund over a donation it accepted from the Koch brothers, an act the union calls “a profound betrayal” to blacks.

Lee Saunders, the president of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, or AFSCME, sent a letter Tuesday informing Michael Lomax, the president of the United Negro College Fund (UNCF), that the union would be ending its partnership with the educational organization in September.



Accepting a donation of $25 million to help black students get an education is “a profound betrayal” to blacks? You wonder what goes through their minds. If anything.

[ArlJim78]

I'd call it a WIN-WIN for the UNCF.

[HUSKER55]

only an educated population will keep us free.

[tucker6]

How racist is it that a mostly white union is railing against blacks for accepting a donation for help in educating blacks? Don't you just hate it when blacks get uppity and start thinking for themselves ...

Just another example of democrats thinking they know what's best for everyone. This one takes the cake.

[Clocker]

I'd call it a WIN-WIN for the UNCF.

It is. They get $25 million. And the Koch haters win because that's $25 million less the Dastardly Duo have to spend on their nefarious plot to wipe out socialism.

[Tom]

Just your typical union mindset - "how does this affect ME?"
Unions want to keep the Black man down.

[dartman51]

If the Koch brothers had donated $25 million to the Union, would they have returned it? Inquiring minds want to know. :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

If the Koch brothers had donated $25 million to the Union,...

...how much of it would have been skimmed before it got into the union's books?

[TJDave]

Accepting a donation of $25 million to help black students get an education is “a profound betrayal” to blacks? You wonder what goes through their minds. If anything.

Do you believe the Kochs were entirely altruistic with respect to this donation? ;)

Did you read the letter in its entirety? The union states it will continue to support black colleges and scholarship programs - just not funnel the money through the ANCF.

The AFSCME is spot on in their criticism of the Kochs. They do fund efforts to disenfranchise blacks...those who vote democratic. By donating funds for education they hope to create a different class. One that will be more sympathetic to conservative principles.

There is method to their madness.

[Clocker]

Do you believe the Kochs were entirely altruistic with respect to this donation?



Do you think that any black kid that gets a college degree with that money would turn it down if he knew where it came from?

The AFSCME is spot on in their criticism of the Kochs. They do fund efforts to disenfranchise blacks.
Please identify any such funding.

By donating funds for education they hope to create a different class. One that will be more sympathetic to conservative principles.

OMG!!! :eek:

Isn't that illegal? Openly spending your own money to try to educate people about your principles? Does the IRS know about this subversive activity? My god, some of those kids might grow up to be capitalists. Oh, the humanity.

[TJDave]

I'm not attacking the Kochs. If I were in their financial position and shared their views I would do exactly the same. Conversely, the union is making a principled statement based on their politics and should not be faulted for it. The only entity lacking in principle is the ANCF.

I have no dog in this hunt. Makes for great theater, though.

[Tom]

The AFSCME is spot on in their criticism of the Kochs. They do fund efforts to disenfranchise blacks...


How?

[Clocker]

Conversely, the union is making a principled statement based on their politics and should not be faulted for it.

At no cost to themselves. And what union principle was violated?

The only entity lacking in principle is the ANCF.

What principle of that organization was violated?

Libs in NYC (http://nypost.com/2014/03/16/loopy-liberals-freak-over-koch-brothers-100m-hospital-gift/) went bat-shirt crazy recently when New York-Presbyterian Hospital accepted a $100 million donation from the Koch brothers. Apparently the hospital violated its principles by accepting the money, although no one can explain what the violation was.

It seems that the union president was unable to provide any details on violated principles, his or the UNCF:

AFSCME President Lee Saunders said the actions of the college fund’s president “are not only deeply hostile to the rights and dignity of public employees, but also a profound betrayal of the ideals of the civil rights movement.”

AFSCME’s President made no specific allegations against the Koch Brothers but instead adopted the broad attack and smear approach that Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has taken to attacking the Kochs.



Accepting the money was deeply hostile to the dignity of public employees? I'm sure that was the first thought of all black public employees when they heard about the actual donation. Oh, the indignity!

[Clocker]

How?

You need to keep up. Harry Reid has explained this in detail on the floor of the Senate.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Do you believe the Kochs were entirely altruistic with respect to this donation? ;)

...

There is method to their madness.

Sounds like public assistance.

[TJDave]

How?

Letter from the AFSCME to UNCF.

Page two, first paragraph sums it up nicely:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/233365777/UNCF-Letter

[Clocker]

Letter from the AFSCME to UNCF.

Page two, first paragraph sums it up nicely:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/233365777/UNCF-Letter

I saw that one coming from miles away. Playing the old "voter ID is code for racism" card.

That argument is racist and indicative of the Democratic plantation mentality. Our poor little black brothers are too lazy or too stupid to comply with voter ID laws. So rather than help them comply, we will declare war on the law.

It is part of the larger liberal dogma that any law that has unequal outcomes is by definition discriminatory. Therefore, equal opportunity is not enough, we can only pass legislation that produces equal outcomes.

[ArlJim78]

AFSCME President Lee Saunders said the actions of the college fund’s
president “are not only deeply hostile to the rights and dignity of public employees, but also a profound betrayal of the ideals of the civil rights movement.”
You can bet your ass that the part I bolded is the only thing AFSCME is concerned about. Notice it came first, the civil rights claim was an add-on.

The civil rights nonsense and talk of voter disenfranchisement are all liberal fictions. total garbage. Let me get this straight, they're against the ideals of the civil rights movement and seek to keep blacks from voting, but they donate tens of millions so that many of the poorer ones can get a college education? and this makes sense to some people?

Koch industries gives hundreds of millions of dollars to all kinds of charities, and they are hated by liberals for some reason.

AFSCME gave $50,000 per year to the UNCF and probably patted themselves on the back for it at every opportunity.

Koch's give $25,000,000 to the very same cause and they're vilified.
I don't think the UNCF is going to miss AFSCME's 50 grand. :lol:

[TJDave]

I saw that one coming from miles away. Playing the old "voter ID is code for racism" card.

That argument is racist and indicative of the Democratic plantation mentality. Our poor little black brothers are too lazy or too stupid to comply with voter ID laws. So rather than help them comply, we will declare war on the law.

It is part of the larger liberal dogma that any law that has unequal outcomes is by definition discriminatory. Therefore, equal opportunity is not enough, we can only pass legislation that produces equal outcomes.

I happen to agree with your sentiments. If it were up to me, I would institute voter literacy tests.

But that doesn't change the fact that these policies do disenfranchise black voters.

[TJDave]

You can bet your ass that the part I bolded is the only thing AFSCME is concerned about. Notice it came first, the civil rights claim was an add-on.


As it should be. Groups should first take care of their own. If blacks practiced this principle there wouldn't be the need for the UNCF to go 'hat in hand'.

[JustRalph]

Dave, you're growing on me.

Could blacks be any more disenfranchised than they are now! I don't think so.
We are starting to cut the loaf of disenfranchisement pretty thin at this point.

3-600k new immigrants in the next two years is pretty much going to bury the black community anyway.

[ArlJim78]

As it should be. Groups should first take care of their own. If blacks practiced this principle there wouldn't be the need for the UNCF to go 'hat in hand'.
When you say that racial groups should take care of their own, I'm not on board with that concept in any way. Isn't that what the Klan is, a white support group which takes care of it's own? I feel no loyalty or allegiances or a duty to support one person over another based on whether or not they share my skin color. You can count me out of that system.

[reckless]

When you say that racial groups should take care of their own, I'm not on board with that concept in any way. Isn't that what the Klan is, a white support group which takes care of it's own? I feel no loyalty or allegiances or a duty to support one person over another based on whether or not they share my skin color. You can count me out of that system.

Klan ? You mean the Ku Klux Klan ?

Oh yes, that Klan, the one where the left wing liberal icon and Democrat Party leader, the late Robert Byrd, was a high-exhaulted racist pooh-bah.

Or did you mean that Klan where left wing liberal icon Supreme Court Justice, the equally deceased Hugo Black made his judicial and political and racist bonafides?

[HUSKER55]

if you listen real hard and are verwy quiet.......you can hear mosty and hcap getting ready to explode! :D