The term "African-American"

[cj's dad]

When will this foolishness stop ? Here in Maryland, Lt. Governor Anthony Brown won the Dem. primary nomination for governor. One of the first things reported was that he would be the 1st A-A governor in the history of the state of Md. This is total rubbish. His father was born in Jamaica and his mother is a native of Switzerland, and he's almost as white as me.

All this A-A stuff does, besides being divisive, is point the electorate to a candidate who may not be qualified for the office.

[davew]

what isn't that his race?

just like 0bama got most of the votes from 'descendants of slaves' as he has experience with that as well

[Robert Goren]

When will this foolishness stop ? Here in Maryland, Lt. Governor Anthony Brown won the Dem. primary nomination for governor. One of the first things reported was that he would be the 1st A-A governor in the history of the state of Md. This is total rubbish. His father was born in Jamaica and his mother is a native of Switzerland, and he's almost as white as me.

All this A-A stuff does, besides being divisive, is point the electorate to a candidate who may not be qualified for the office.
Over 90% of Jamaicans are at least partial descended from slaves brought from Africa. Less than 2% are "pure European" descendants.
Tea party conservatives bitch when African Americans vote for democrats. They bitch when they vote for a very conservative GOP senator from Mississippi. I get the feeling that the tea party conservatives don't want African Americans to vote period.

[cj's dad]

Well, since the Garden of Eden is purported to have been in Africa, then aren't we all African- American ?

Of all the black folks I know, only two are truly Af.-American; one born in Nigeria and one in Kenya and both are now US citizens. They truly laugh out loud when they hear the term AA bandied about.

Please don't drag that POS Obama into this thread.


Edit:

"I get the feeling that the tea party conservatives don't want African Americans to vote period." Quote [Goren]

That was never stated.

[FantasticDan]

Actually Lt. Gov Brown's father was born in Cuba and he was "Afro-Cuban":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Cuban

He was raised in Jamaica.

[Robert Goren]

Well, since the Garden of Eden is purported to have been in Africa, then aren't we all African- American ?

Of all the black folks I know, only two are truly Af.-American; one born in Nigeria and one in Kenya and both are now US citizens. They truly laugh out loud when they hear the term AA bandied about.

Please don't drag that POS Obama into this thread.


Edit:

"I get the feeling that the tea party conservatives don't want African Americans to vote period." Quote [Goren]

That was never stated.It sure is implied by the fact they are not happy with whoever the African Americans vote for.

[horses4courses]

I get the feeling that the tea party conservatives don't want African Americans to vote period.

Ain't that the truth?

[PaceAdvantage]

Ain't that the truth?Liberalism is truly a mind-rotting disease, as evidenced by your agreement with that nonsense.

Ya'll are the reason why this country is forked politically.

[LottaKash]

Liberalism is truly a mind-rotting disease,

Especially these days, when it clearly evident that it is changing slowly and surely, from Pink to Red...

[PaceAdvantage]

Especially these days, when it clearly evident that it is changing slowly and surely, from Pink to Red...Sorry to say, but you're also a reason why this country is forked politically.

One side thinks the opposition is all communists, and the other side thinks the opposition is all racists.

Great system.

[cj's dad]

Ain't that the truth?

No it isn't. Tea Party types and Conservatives in general, from what I understand, were upset with the open primary that was held in Mo. Crossover voting is a dubious way to tilt an election, especially in a one party state. The opposition can in fact pick who their candidate runs against. THAT particular instance is what most were upset about, if not the practice in general.

But then again, I know that you know that. Troll away !!

[alydar]

When will this foolishness stop ? Here in Maryland, Lt. Governor Anthony Brown won the Dem. primary nomination for governor. One of the first things reported was that he would be the 1st A-A governor in the history of the state of Md. This is total rubbish. His father was born in Jamaica and his mother is a native of Switzerland, and he's almost as white as me.

All this A-A stuff does, besides being divisive, is point the electorate to a candidate who may not be qualified for the office.

A lot of people call themselves Italian Americans, Irish Americans, etc., I guess it applies them as well?

I personally don't care what the media labels a person. I have a mind of my own.

[HUSKER55]

jUST CURIOUS,

has there ever been a communist based government that has survived?

[LottaKash]

jUST CURIOUS,

has there ever been a communist based government that has survived?

Not many, if any, but the worst part of the question is, the "nightmare ride" that will occur, and it must endure, until that end finally comes.....

You just have to ask anyone who has lived and survived under a commie-regime, to really know that....

[Robert Goren]

jUST CURIOUS,

has there ever been a communist based government that has survived?Sweden and France according to the tea party would qualify. :rolleyes: :lol:

[TJDave]

The opposition can in fact pick who their candidate runs against. THAT particular instance is what most were upset about, if not the practice in general.

In open primaries it works both ways. Republicans can influence the democrat outcome as well...and should. Remember, the eventual winner of the general election, whether republican or democrat represents all the people of his state or district.

[GaryG]

Sweden and France according to the tea party would qualify. :rolleyes: :lol:Anybody think maybe the detective is obsessed with the Tea Party? He mentions it in virtually all of his posts.

[Tom]

Obsession.

[Robert Goren]

Anybody think maybe the detective is obsessed with the Tea Party? He mentions it in virtually all of his posts.Only the ones on American politics and then only because so many posters here embrace their views.

[Tom]

So how come we keep hearing how we need to have a national discussion about race, but any time some tries, all we get is BS replies Bobby and H4c offered up here?

Maybe we need to import some poster capable of intelligent discussion first?

[PaceAdvantage]

Why do we need a national discussion on something that doesn't matter any longer? Who cares what someone's race is?

They either suck as a person or they don't...end of story. Doesn't matter what color they are.

Having a national discussion about race will do nothing but further divide on difference.

Racists are a dying breed. That's a fact. Are there plenty of racists out there still?? Sure...but they grow smaller in number every day.

To continue to pontificate that race is such an overwhelming factor (as in "everyone in the Tea Party or Republican Party is a racist somewhere in their heart") is to continue to make sure race REMAINS an overwhelming factor.

And since racism is one of those issues that helps FILL the COFFERS of the Democratic Party, I'm not surprised that left-leaners are the ones always bringing up the subject...seemingly....

[Tom]

It's the hyphens and the left who want the discussion, not me.
THEY are the ones who won't let it go.

I'm just saying they don't really want to talk about it either, just use it as an excuse. As we see in this thread.

[Robert Goren]

Why do we need a national discussion on something that doesn't matter any longer? Who cares what someone's race is?

They either suck as a person or they don't...end of story. Doesn't matter what color they are.

Having a national discussion about race will do nothing but further divide on difference.

Racists are a dying breed. That's a fact. Are there plenty of racists out there still?? Sure...but they grow smaller in number every day.

To continue to pontificate that race is such an overwhelming factor (as in "everyone in the Tea Party or Republican Party is a racist somewhere in their heart") is to continue to make sure race REMAINS an overwhelming factor.

And since racism is one of those issues that helps FILL the COFFERS of the Democratic Party, I'm not surprised that left-leaners are the ones always bringing up the subject...seemingly.... There is an old joke about how to get rid of a racist. Give him a black granddaughter.
There is great suspicion of the GOP and the tea party of being racist because they champion so many of the same causes as the racists did during the 1960s. When we hear state rights, we see what states rights did in the 1950s and earlier to blacks. We see George Wallace and Lester Maddox champion the same cause of states rights. When we hear about how lazy welfare recipients are, we hear African Americans are lazy because that is what racists have been saying for 40 years to appear not come off as racist yet get their message across. When we see the rare GOP politician openly seek some African American voters, we see him criticized for it saying that those African Americans voters should be allowed to vote in a GOP primary. Because if they are African American, they are too liberal. If you don't want to be consider a racist, stop espousing the same things as the racists. Separate yourselves from them on at least a few issues.

[JustRalph]

jUST CURIOUS,

has there ever been a communist based government that has survived?

Survived is a relative term. Cuba "survives" at the point of a gun. The only ones who last any time at all are the ones who build immense political prisons. See N.korea, Russia, Cuba, etc.........

You don't need political prisons if your system works

[Tom]

There is great suspicion of the GOP and the tea party of being racist because....

That is the MO of the democats.
ALWAYS attack anyone who disagrees with them.
ALWAYS play the race card.
ALWAYS twist the truth to suit their agenda, exactly like YOU did in that ridiculous post.

[Clocker]

There is great suspicion of the GOP and the tea party of being racist because they champion so many of the same causes as the racists did during the 1960s.

The fundamental principles, the common threads, of Tea Party politics are:
1. small government
2. fiscal responsibility
3. free markets

Please explain the racist aspect of those principles, and any evidence that "the racists" in the 1960s shared those principles.

When we hear about how lazy welfare recipients are, we hear African Americans are lazy because that is what racists have been saying for 40 years

How is it that no one from the Tea Party is saying those things, but you are hearing them? That ain't the Tea Party, that is the voices in your head when you hear things that aren't said.

The Tea Party statements I have heard is not that welfare recipients are lazy, but that the government is encouraging the rational decision to make more in benefits than they could make taking a job. That's not lazy, that's a lot more common sense than the morons in Washington ever show.

[Marshall Bennett]

Racists are a dying breed. That's a fact. Are there plenty of racists out there still?? Sure...but they grow smaller in number every day.
No they don't and the number's growing. For a variety of reasons many choose not to admit they're racist. Public officials are done if they're deemed racist. Many with every-day jobs get fired. Careers depend not only on job performance, but what comes out of one's mouth.
The media's vast desire to amplify racial interest and profit from it's destruction doesn't exist because of a decline in racism.

[JustRalph]

You are so full of shit your eyes are brown! This post is off the reservation


There is an old joke about how to get rid of a racist. Give him a black granddaughter.
There is great suspicion of the GOP and the tea party of being racist because they champion so many of the same causes as the racists did during the 1960s. When we hear state rights, we see what states rights did in the 1950s and earlier to blacks. We see George Wallace and Lester Maddox champion the same cause of states rights. When we hear about how lazy welfare recipients are, we hear African Americans are lazy because that is what racists have been saying for 40 years to appear not come off as racist yet get their message across. When we see the rare GOP politician openly seek some African American voters, we see him criticized for it saying that those African Americans voters should be allowed to vote in a GOP primary. Because if they are African American, they are too liberal. If you don't want to be consider a racist, stop espousing the same things as the racists. Separate yourselves from them on at least a few issues.

[AndyC]

There is great suspicion of the GOP and the tea party of being racist because they champion so many of the same causes as the racists did during the 1960s. When we hear state rights, we see what states rights did in the 1950s and earlier to blacks. We see George Wallace and Lester Maddox champion the same cause of states rights.

So somebody who champions states rights is necessarily a racist? Could it be that they believe that local problems are best solved on a local level? Are you trying to play the Kevin Bacon game but substituting racism, George Wallace and Lester Maddox for Kevin Bacon?


When we hear about how lazy welfare recipients are, we hear African Americans are lazy because that is what racists have been saying for 40 years to appear not come off as racist yet get their message across. from them on at least a few issues.

You might, in fact, hear how lazy SOME welfare recipients are. That statement applies to all races who might fit the description, it is not code for African-American.


When we see the rare GOP politician openly seek some African American voters, we see him criticized for it saying that those African Americans voters should be allowed to vote in a GOP primary. Because if they are African American, they are too liberal. If you don't want to be consider a racist, stop espousing the same things as the racists. Separate yourselves from them on at least a few issues.

If you are referring to the recent primary election in MS I am surprised that you would view that election as being anything other than complete manipulation of the election process.

[tucker6]

Only the ones on American politics and then only because so many posters here embrace their views.
name them??

[AndyC]

In open primaries it works both ways. Republicans can influence the democrat outcome as well...and should. Remember, the eventual winner of the general election, whether republican or democrat represents all the people of his state or district.

It works both ways but it produces ridiculous results and shouldn't be allowed. The eventual winner should be the candidate chosen from the candidates chosen by the respective parties and not some rigged election. Having the opposing party "help" choose the other parties candidate when their votes aren't needed for their candidate in the primaries is just wrong.

[Actor]

Well, since the Garden of Eden is purported to have been in Africa, then aren't we all African- American ?
At one time around 100,000 years ago the entire human race (homo sapiens) consisted of about 1000 people (plus or minus one order of magnitude) living in Africa. That's low enough to make the endangered species list. We are all Africans. -- Source: Richard Dawkins
Eden was not the garden's name. "Garden of Eden" refers to a garden in Eden, the Babylonian name for the Tigris-Euphrates valley. If the garden exited at all it was probably in Iraq. -- Source: Isaac Asimov

[horses4courses]

Liberalism is truly a mind-rotting disease, as evidenced by your agreement with that nonsense.

Ya'll are the reason why this country is forked politically.

Merely stating a fact.
Minorities want nothing to do with the Tea Party.

Therefore, that in itself implies that they would be better off
if minorities did not vote. Stands to reason.

[Greyfox]

At one time around 100,000 years ago the entire human race (homo sapiens) consisted of about 1000 people (plus or minus one order of magnitude) living in Africa. That's low enough to make the endangered species list. We are all Africans. -- Source: Richard Dawkins



Dawkins of course can't know whether or not different races were "seeded" here from another galaxy 100,000 years ago. Or does he think we all came from Lucy?

[JustRalph]

Merely stating a fact.
Minorities want nothing to do with the Tea Party.

Therefore, that in itself implies that they would be better off
if minorities did not vote. Stands to reason.

yeah, right!

http://oneoldvet.com/images/dc040314b.png

http://www.kulturekritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/25/Black-Republican-Tea-Party-Deneen-Borelli.jpg

There are lots of minorities who identify with the Tea Party. Look around on Twitter. They are there....... also there are lots of black conservatives who ID themselves that way.

[Native Texan III]

Survived is a relative term. Cuba "survives" at the point of a gun. The only ones who last any time at all are the ones who build immense political prisons. See N.korea, Russia, Cuba, etc.........

You don't need political prisons if your system works

So called Communist countries never really existed as Communist (sharing the products of their labour) - they rapidly became totalitarian regimes that had a corrupt ruling elite and the rest as the disenfranchised drone workers.
Not too much different but less tolerable than the US 2 party system in hock to the wealthy elites. US imprisons its black population on an epic scale.
China has been the nearest to being a true Communist country and is certainly the most successful in survival and economic terms.

[HUSKER55]

That was what I was wondering. There are those who lead and those who work. That is not communism.

there is no way for the working smuck to get ahead.

[JustRalph]

So called Communist countries never really existed as Communist (sharing the products of their labour) - they rapidly became totalitarian regimes that had a corrupt ruling elite and the rest as the disenfranchised drone workers.
Not too much different but less tolerable than the US 2 party system in hock to the wealthy elites. US imprisons its black population on an epic scale.
China has been the nearest to being a true Communist country and is certainly the most successful in survival and economic terms.

Blacks are not imprisoned for being threatening to the government. There is a difference a mile wide.

[davew]

yeah, right!

http://oneoldvet.com/images/dc040314b.png

http://www.kulturekritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/25/Black-Republican-Tea-Party-Deneen-Borelli.jpg

There are lots of minorities who identify with the Tea Party. Look around on Twitter. They are there....... also there are lots of black conservatives who ID themselves that way.

Not necessarily, but I have heard some African-Americans speak and they are more racist than me (I feel racism is on a sliding scale, it is not a 100% yes or no)

[RunForTheRoses]

At one time around 100,000 years ago the entire human race (homo sapiens) consisted of about 1000 people (plus or minus one order of magnitude) living in Africa. That's low enough to make the endangered species list. We are all Africans. -- Source: Richard Dawkins
Eden was not the garden's name. "Garden of Eden" refers to a garden in Eden, the Babylonian name for the Tigris-Euphrates valley. If the garden exited at all it was probably in Iraq. -- Source: Isaac Asimov



Read this for even more edification, 100K years ago was a long time:
http://www.amazon.com/The-000-Year-Explosion-Civilization/dp/0465020429


lesser so:


http://www.amazon.com/Troublesome-Inheritance-Genes-Human-History/dp/1594204462

[RunForTheRoses]

No they don't and the number's growing. For a variety of reasons many choose not to admit they're racist. Public officials are done if they're deemed racist. Many with every-day jobs get fired. Careers depend not only on job performance, but what comes out of one's mouth.
The media's vast desire to amplify racial interest and profit from it's destruction doesn't exist because of a decline in racism.

The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Liberalism).
-Peter Brimelow

[Tom]

Merely stating a fact.
Minorities want nothing to do with the Tea Party.

Therefore, that in itself implies that they would be better off
if minorities did not vote. Stands to reason.

That is a very racist statement, although not at all unexpected.
Did you take down the mirrors in your house?
You and Goren.....Twins of Deception.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Black people are all the same. Just ask a white liberal.

[Tom]

Good point, John.
They forget that no one fought harder to prevent Civil Rights than the democrats. The REAL racists are the left. Always have been.

[reckless]

Only the ones on American politics and then only because so many posters here embrace their views.

I proudly embrace the 'Tea Party' views you and other liberals hate so much.

I am just one of many citizen-patriots of the so-called Tea Party. We want freedom of choice when it comes to health care; freedom to keep our own property, either land, investments or the simple fruits of our labor. Wastful spending by our politicians is thievery. Sikking the IRS on people with conservative political opinions is outright criminal. The 'Tea Party' is against this criminal practice; liberals, especially the Democrat Party, embrace this vile conduct.

We also don't want a hateful, stupid and cowardly president to destroy the greatest economic and military power on earth. Thanks to Obama we are the laughing stock of the world. Even his terrorist friends in the Middle East think he's a clown.

Tea Party patriots also want our borders secure from all invaders, as per our Constitution requires. We want leaders that respect our laws, history, culture and the American Way of Life. We don't want a pansy like Obama, or a deviant, impeached and disbarred politician like Clinton, both of whom have used political life to become multimillionaires yet tell us that we don't pay enough in taxes or that we must learn to live with less.

Yes, we are also sick and tired of the freeloaders that demand our tax money and benefits without citizenship, calling it their right. We are also sick of pandering, intellectually-deficient and anti-American liberal politicians in both parties that write laws for the general citizenry but exempt themselves from those same horrors of those laws

I could go on and on and on, but I won't.

Since we constantly hear the liberals, such as Goren, on this board regularly knock the conservatives and the Tea Party ad nauseum, I assume the lefties on this board are for everything we are against. Thought so.

[horses4courses]

That is a very racist statement, although not at all unexpected.
Did you take down the mirrors in your house?
You and Goren.....Twins of Deception.

To quote those great American philosophers of the 1970/80s, Journey

Don't stop *believin'
Hold on to the feelin'

* believin' is interchangeable with "kidding yourself"

[Robert Goren]

Good point, John.
They forget that no one fought harder to prevent Civil Rights than the democrats. The REAL racists are the left. Always have been. And the republicans in the South today are the sons and grandsons of those Dixiecrats. The Dixiecrats left the democrat party because they felt betrayed the Northern Democrats. The GOP welcomed with open arms the likes of Strom Thurmond and other former democratic openly racist politicians. That is part of republican history the conservatives here like to forget. The GOP party of today has nothing in common with the great liberal republicans who stood up the northern liberal democrats in congress that passed the civil rights laws. As a democrat I am proud that we gave those racists the boot. I wish they had done it sooner. Too bad the GOP decided to give them someplace to go.

[FantasticDan]

:rolleyes: Now tell me that diatribe from reckless doesn't fit in well with this analysis of the tea party:

Another misconception [is] that the Tea Party is really just a bunch of racist people and that their movement is about racism — and it’s really not … It’s bigger than racism. People who tend to support the Tea Party, they tend to be sexist, they tend to be homophobic, they tend to be xenophobic; so it’s not just about race. It’s about difference. It’s about anything that violates their phenotypical norm of what it’s supposed to mean to be an American: white, mainly male, middle-class, middle-aged or older, heterosexual, and native born. Anything that falls beyond that description is considered not to be a true American and therefore … these groups are encroaching on what they see as the “real” America, the America that they’ve come to know and love through their lifetime.
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/25/tea_partys_scary_new_rise_inside_the_movements_ter rifying_revitalization/

[horses4courses]

:rolleyes: Now tell me that diatribe from reckless doesn't fit in well with this analysis of the tea party:
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/25/tea_partys_scary_new_rise_inside_the_movements_ter rifying_revitalization/,

Awww, c'mon man.....why do you have go and quote something truthful?
You know that won't be well received around here.....geesh..... :faint:

[Robert Goren]

I proudly embrace the 'Tea Party' views you and other liberals hate so much.

I am just one of many citizen-patriots of the so-called Tea Party. We want freedom of choice when it comes to health care; freedom to keep our own property, either land, investments or the simple fruits of our labor. Wastful spending by our politicians is thievery. Sikking the IRS on people with conservative political opinions is outright criminal. The 'Tea Party' is against this criminal practice; liberals, especially the Democrat Party, embrace this vile conduct.

We also don't want a hateful, stupid and cowardly president to destroy the greatest economic and military power on earth. Thanks to Obama we are the laughing stock of the world. Even his terrorist friends in the Middle East think he's a clown.

Tea Party patriots also want our borders secure from all invaders, as per our Constitution requires. We want leaders that respect our laws, history, culture and the American Way of Life. We don't want a pansy like Obama, or a deviant, impeached and disbarred politician like Clinton, both of whom have used political life to become multimillionaires yet tell us that we don't pay enough in taxes or that we must learn to live with less.

Yes, we are also sick and tired of the freeloaders that demand our tax money and benefits without citizenship, calling it their right. We are also sick of pandering, intellectually-deficient and anti-American liberal politicians in both parties that write laws for the general citizenry but exempt themselves from those same horrors of those laws

I could go on and on and on, but I won't.

Since we constantly hear the liberals, such as Goren, on this board regularly knock the conservatives and the Tea Party ad nauseum, I assume the lefties on this board are for everything we are against. Thought so. You know in that long piece, did you bother to bother to go against anything that the racists traditionally support. Not even once! Why is that? Why don't you want to stand up to them on even one single issue?

[Clocker]

And the republicans in the South today are the sons and grandsons of those Dixiecrats.

And as we all know, political principles are encoded in the DNA.

[Robert Goren]

And as we all know, political principles are encoded in the DNA. Maybe not in the DNA, but "values" are pasted down very often from father to son. Do you vote different than your father? I don't. If you do, you are pretty rare bird.

[Clocker]

:rolleyes: Now tell me that diatribe from reckless doesn't fit in well with this analysis of the tea party:

Another misconception [is] that the Tea Party is really just a bunch of racist people and that their movement is about racism — and it’s really not … It’s bigger than racism. People who tend to support the Tea Party, they tend to be sexist, they tend to be homophobic, they tend to be xenophobic; so it’s not just about race. It’s about difference. It’s about anything that violates their phenotypical norm of what it’s supposed to mean to be an American: white, mainly male, middle-class, middle-aged or older, heterosexual, and native born. Anything that falls beyond that description is considered not to be a true American and therefore … these groups are encroaching on what they see as the “real” America, the America that they’ve come to know and love through their lifetime.
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/25/tea_partys_scary_new_rise_inside_the_movements_ter rifying_revitalization/

This may be the most ignorant "analysis of the tea party" by an "academic" I have seen to date. The author is a professor at the University of Washington, and has written a book and many articles about the Tea Party while having not a clue about what the Tea Party is.

He, like most liberals, fails to understand that there is no such thing as "The Tea Party". "The Tea Party" is about as homogeneous and well-defined as "The Counterculture" of of the 1960s. In the 60s, if you said you were part of the Counterculture, then you were. A few people in the Counterculture were bomb makers. (Like Obama's buddy in Chicago.) The vast majority were not.

A few people that call themselves Tea Party members are racists. The vast majority are not. Prof. Parker has apparently met some people who are racists and are self-proclaimed members of the Tea Party, and has concluded that therefore all self-proclaimed members of the Tea Party are racists.

At the risk of similarly jumping to conclusions, I did some research and found that Prof. Parker is , surprise, a black man, and that his entire academic output appears to consist of publications and lectures that find racism in every woodpile. One blurb for his book calls it "A scathing analysis of the Tea Party movement, linking it in spirit to the Ku Klux Klan and the John Birch Society". The intellectual dishonesty here is mind-boggling.

[Clocker]

Maybe not in the DNA, but "values" are pasted down very often from father to son. Do you vote different than your father? I don't. If you do, you are pretty rare bird.

You must have been brought up in a very sheltered environment. Most people I know rebelled against the beliefs of their parents just on general principles.

And no matter the starting point, all evidence I have seen indicates that every generation in this country is less racist than the previous one.

[Tom]

,

Awww, c'mon man.....why do you have go and quote something truthful?
You know that won't be well received around here.....geesh..... :faint:

You wouldn't know the truth if you tripped over it.
But enjoy your delusional life - everyone has to be good at something.
Denial is an art for some.

[Robert Goren]

You must have been brought up in a very sheltered environment. Most people I know rebelled against the beliefs of their parents just on general principles.

And no matter the starting point, all evidence I have seen indicates that every generation in this country is less racist than the previous one.Probably true to some extent. Although the African American hater has not completely disappeared from the scene. They have learned to chose their words more carefully. It is true to some extent that the people who are just looking for somebody to hate have moved on to other groups.

[Tom]

How about the white-haters, Bobby?
Do they choose their words, too?

[Clocker]

How about the white-haters, Bobby?
Do they choose their words, too?


They can say anything they want.

“The View” host Whoopi Goldberg (http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/26/spoken-like-a-true-white-guy-whoopi-tries-to-shut-down-guest-challenging-political-correctness/) told guest co-host Will Cain that his opposition to politically-correct language was “spoken like a true white guy,” suggesting that Cain is too white and privileged to have an opinion on how we react to negative words.

[mostpost]

Sorry to say, but you're also a reason why this country is forked politically.

One side thinks the opposition is all communists, and the other side thinks the opposition is all racists.

Great system.
Thing is, your side is mostly wrong and my side is mostly right. It's pretty easy to tell who is a communist. They carry cards and go to meetings. It is not nearly as easy to spot a racist. They generally don't spout their racism in polite company. A lot of times they don't even realize they are racists. They use code words not to fool others but to fool themselves.

[Tom]

Yes, and Obama used the phrase typical white person.

We really need to have a national discussion about race. :lol::lol:

I was watching the CNN special on the 60s last night, about civil rights, and it was a I remembered it, growing up during the turbulent years of the 60s.
To hear the hyphens today, you would think nothing has changed since then.

[Tom]

They use code words not to fool others but to fool themselves.

I got a code ward for you.,
Wanna hear it?

[Clocker]

A lot of times they don't even realize they are racists. They use code words not to fool others but to fool themselves.

OMG, I feel so dirty and ashamed. I have been advocating fiscal responsibility all these years, not realizing that what I really meant was that I hate black people.

Thank you so much for your insight, and for setting me on the straight and narrow.

Please pass the Kool Aid, Komrade.

[mostpost]

The fundamental principles, the common threads, of Tea Party politics are:
1. small government
2. fiscal responsibility
3. free markets

1. This is the twenty first century. The Tea Party takes its name from an event that occurred in the eighteenth century. Members of the Tea Party think they are still living in that same agrarian society. The complexities of life in the twenty first century require a complex, large government.

So, how does small government equate to racism? Your small government would not enforce fair housing laws. It would not enforce EEO laws. It would not enforce integration of schools.

2. When you speak of fiscal responsibility, your first thought is to look at the money available and if it is insufficient, you want to cut the program regardless of the need. We should look at the need and find the financing. As long as our taxes are half or less what they were in the past, we have the money to find these programs. Not doing so is racist because it is people of color who suffer disproportionately if these programs are cancelled or curtailed.

3. There is no such thing as a free market. Every free market inevitably ends up with a small group at the top, a very wide gap, and everyone else struggling at the bottom.

Furthermore, the way in which a company or individual reaches the top is detrimental to society as a whole. They cut salaries. They cut hours. They cut benefits. They cut workers. Absent proper supervision from the government they cut quality. The public suffers due to the pollution the company produces. It suffers due to the lack of quality product.

The free market is a myth perpetrated to maximize profits and prevent what you consider government interference.

[johnhannibalsmith]

It's amazing to me that a man of your years can still think that our trainwreck of a federal government is the solution and not the problem.

[Clocker]

1. This is the twenty first century. The Tea Party takes its name from an event that occurred in the eighteenth century. Members of the Tea Party think they are still living in that same agrarian society. The complexities of life in the twenty first century require a complex, large government.

You probably think that the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets too.

The Tea Party takes its name from the phrase "Taxed Enough Already", as well as paying homage to the early patriots who also rebelled against unfair taxes.

The rest of your post is a rehash of well worn myths and half truths. The fact that an outcome might be a benefit to society does not mean that it has to be imposed by a huge federal government.

The fact that you see evil capitalist hobgoblins under every bed does not negate the fact that capitalism in its relatively short life in western civilization is responsible for incredible increases in freedom and standards of living. All while cultures that resist or restrain capitalism remain backward and impoverished.

And you managed to articulate the most pernicious mind set that is ruining our country today:

We should look at the need and find the financing.

Echoing the idiocy of Nancy Pelosi saying we don't have a spending problem, we have a pay-for problem. And the idiocy of Obama saying that millionaires and billionaires have to pay their fair share, when he means their fare share of other peoples money that Obama and Pelosi have decided to spend.

Yes, you and Obama and Pelosi and the rest of the Borg have things exactly back-assward. People should pay a fair share of their income in taxes, and society should determine how to allocate that money. Just like in real life, when you spend it all, you are done. If that is not enough do-gooding for you, make a donation. Don't make other people pay for your warm and fuzzy feelings.

[tucker6]

OMG, I feel so dirty and ashamed. I have been advocating fiscal responsibility all these years, not realizing that what I really meant was that I hate black people.

Thank you so much for your insight, and for setting me on the straight and narrow.

Please pass the Kool Aid, Komrade.
I feel dirty for having read your posts and nodding on occasion. You're as bad as Hitler and Stalin.

[tucker6]

1. This is the twenty first century. The Tea Party takes its name from an event that occurred in the eighteenth century. Members of the Tea Party think they are still living in that same agrarian society. The complexities of life in the twenty first century require a complex, large government.

So, how does small government equate to racism? Your small government would not enforce fair housing laws. It would not enforce EEO laws. It would not enforce integration of schools.

2. When you speak of fiscal responsibility, your first thought is to look at the money available and if it is insufficient, you want to cut the program regardless of the need. We should look at the need and find the financing. As long as our taxes are half or less what they were in the past, we have the money to find these programs. Not doing so is racist because it is people of color who suffer disproportionately if these programs are cancelled or curtailed.

3. There is no such thing as a free market. Every free market inevitably ends up with a small group at the top, a very wide gap, and everyone else struggling at the bottom.

Furthermore, the way in which a company or individual reaches the top is detrimental to society as a whole. They cut salaries. They cut hours. They cut benefits. They cut workers. Absent proper supervision from the government they cut quality. The public suffers due to the pollution the company produces. It suffers due to the lack of quality product.

The free market is a myth perpetrated to maximize profits and prevent what you consider government interference.
Wow are you clueless about the real world. Holy Sheet Batman. :blush:

[Clocker]

3. There is no such thing as a free market. Every free market inevitably ends up with a small group at the top, a very wide gap, and everyone else struggling at the bottom.

I guess you are right. That's why the Big Three cornered the auto market, and remain alone on top today.

That's why every major city has only one chain of supermarkets, one chain of gas stations, and one banking system.

That's why AT&T retains control of the phone industry and why ABC, CBS, and NBC are the only choices on TV.

You convinced me. Got any more of that Kool Aid?

[JustRalph]

It's amazing to me that a man of your years can still think that our trainwreck of a federal government is the solution and not the problem.

Because they don't care if they are right. It's a religion to them.

Just like Barry O. they can't admit they are wrong. they are going to ride that horse right into the ground. And take all of us with them.

He was indoctrinated and worked under the system for so long, he can't see clearly. He thinks he's right, knows he's right and is saturated with doubt about anybody else. He's one step away from being a suicide bomber, if they asked he'd think about it.

[horses4courses]

You probably think that the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets too.

How could possibly have applied to anything but muskets?
It was the 18th century. Do you think the founding fathers were clairvoyant?

[horses4courses]

Because they don't care if they are right. It's a religion to them.
He was indoctrinated and worked under the system for so long, he can't see clearly. He thinks he's right, knows he's right and is saturated with doubt about anybody else. He's one step away from being a suicide bomber, if they asked he'd think about it.

This statement could, also, be applied to any staunch conservative.
Just depends on which side of the fence you are on.

[johnhannibalsmith]

How could possibly have applied to anything but muskets?
It was the 18th century. Do you think the founding fathers were clairvoyant?

He didn't say "applied", you did.

[NJ Stinks]

I guess you are right. That's why the Big Three cornered the auto market, and remain alone on top today.

That's why every major city has only one chain of supermarkets, one chain of gas stations, and one banking system.

That's why AT&T retains control of the phone industry and why ABC, CBS, and NBC are the only choices on TV.

You convinced me. Got any more of that Kool Aid?

Ever heard of Comcast, Clocked? How about any other behemoth operating a cable monopoly in a town near you?

Free market my ass. We can't even get Fios in my town. Not to mention all the freaking CVS', Kohls, Wal-marts, Home Depots, Olive Gardens, etc. who have knocked the little guy to kingdom come.

If anybody is drunk on Kool Aid, it's you. :rolleyes:

[horses4courses]

He didn't say "applied", you did.

Sighs.....

Just to clarify, I will go on the record.
So as to make myself perfectly clear - so that no one misunderstands.

I believe that, when it was initially written, the 2nd Amendment applied to muskets.

Really sticking my neck out there. :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

How about any other behemoth operating a cable monopoly in a town near you?


Cable monopolies are granted by local governments in exchange for big bucks. It is the government that keeps out competition.

[hcap]

There are lots of minorities who identify with the Tea Party. Sure there are :sleeping:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tea-party-supporters-who-they-are-and-what-they-believe/

"Eighteen percent of Americans identify as Tea Party supporters. The vast majority of them -- 89 percent -- are white. Just one percent is black.

They tend to skew older: Three in four are 45 years old or older, including 29 percent who are 65 plus. They are also more likely to be men (59 percent) than women (41 percent).

More than one in three (36 percent) hails from the South, far more than any other region. Twenty-five percent come from the West, 22 percent from the Midwest, and 18 percent from the northeast.


Sure there are :sleeping:

BTW, if there are so many Blacks in the TeePe'ers, how come Black democrats helped GOP Sen. Cochran shellack the Tea Party instead of just the opposite as you would think by your out of it bizzaro world claim?

[tucker6]

Sighs.....

Just to clarify, I will go on the record.
So as to make myself perfectly clear - so that no one misunderstands.

I believe that, when it was initially written, the 2nd Amendment applied to muskets.

Really sticking my neck out there. :rolleyes:
If that were so, then they would have said muskets!!

Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Appears our Founding Fathers took into account technology and made the Amendment all-inclusive. Just because they used muskets doesn't mean they intended the Amendment to only be about muskets, but all firearms.

[incoming]

Wow are you clueless about the real world. Holy Sheet Batman. :blush:

My phrase to describe this lunacy, "Dim's Logic." The antics Dim's use to protect some of their policies are breath taking.

[horses4courses]

If that were so, then they would have said muskets!!

Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Appears our Founding Fathers took into account technology and made the Amendment all-inclusive. Just because they used muskets doesn't mean they intended the Amendment to only be about muskets, but all firearms.

The term Arms could only be applied to what existed at the time.

Do you think the traffic laws we have compiled over the past century
won't be altered should we all be flying around with personal jet packs
on our backs in the years ahead?

[johnhannibalsmith]

Sighs.....

Just to clarify, I will go on the record.
So as to make myself perfectly clear - so that no one misunderstands.

I believe that, when it was initially written, the 2nd Amendment applied to muskets.

Really sticking my neck out there. :rolleyes:

That's wonderful. What did your first post have to do with Clocker's then?

[tucker6]

The term Arms could only be applied to what existed at the time.

Do you think the traffic laws we have compiled over the past century
won't be altered should we all be flying around with personal jet packs
on our backs in the years ahead?
then they would have said muskets. Why did they use a generic term like "arms" instead??

[johnhannibalsmith]

then they would have said muskets. Why did they use a generic term like "arms" instead??

I'm just mystified as to his point.

He took exception to clocker's statement about mostpost associating the name "Tea Party" with an 18th century event, as though by using the name that implied they were three centuries removed from contemporary times.

He makes the "2nd amendment only applies to musket" comment to go along with mostpost's wacky vision, and now we're getting told about how there were only muskets in that time.

Clue me in, please.

[hcap]

Imo "militias is the operative word that should be given more weight than anything else

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/12/jeffrey-toobin-second-amendment.html

For more than a hundred years, the answer was clear, even if the words of the amendment itself were not. The text of the amendment is divided into two clauses and is, as a whole, ungrammatical: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” The courts had found that the first part, the “militia clause,” trumped the second part, the “bear arms” clause. In other words, according to the Supreme Court, and the lower courts as well, the amendment conferred on state militias a right to bear arms—but did not give individuals a right to own or carry a weapon.

Enter the modern National Rifle Association. Before the nineteen-seventies, the N.R.A. had been devoted mostly to non-political issues, like gun safety. But a coup d’état at the group’s annual convention in 1977 brought a group of committed political conservatives to power—as part of the leading edge of the new, more rightward-leaning Republican Party. (Jill Lepore recounted this history in a recent piece for The New Yorker.) The new group pushed for a novel interpretation of the Second Amendment, one that gave individuals, not just militias, the right to bear arms. It was an uphill struggle. At first, their views were widely scorned. Chief Justice Warren E. Burger, who was no liberal, mocked the individual-rights theory of the amendment as “a fraud.”......

.....The re-interpretation of the Second Amendment was an elaborate and brilliantly executed political operation, inside and outside of government. Ronald Reagan’s election in 1980 brought a gun-rights enthusiast to the White House. At the same time, Orrin Hatch, the Utah Republican, became chairman of an important subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and he commissioned a report that claimed to find “clear—and long lost—proof that the second amendment to our Constitution was intended as an individual right of the American citizen to keep and carry arms in a peaceful manner, for protection of himself, his family, and his freedoms.”.

[Clocker]

My 2nd Amendment reference was to cast ridicule on the mind set that principles, such as the original Tea Party's opposition to high taxes, could be rejected as obsolete simply on the basis of the passage of time.

I did not go into detail on that allusion, but I have actually heard moonbats argue that the 2nd Amendment should not apply to "assault weapons", because the founders did not foresee, and would not have approved of, civilian ownership of semi-automatic weapons.

The larger point here is that it is not rational to assume that a larger and more complex society absolutely requires a larger and more complex federal government. The principle of the right to bear arms allows the inclusion of semi-automatic weapons. The principle of free speech and a free press allows the inclusion of radio, TV, and the internet.

The principle of a small federal government, with all other powers reserve to the states or to the people allows the inclusion of new technology. Until relatively recently, we have managed to evolve from the world of the horse to the world of the automobile without the benefit of micromanagement of the federal government. The states somehow managed to fumble through the development of drivers licenses, car registration, liability insurance, and traffic rules and regulations without Big Brother in DC. The principle continues to work today. To the greatest extent possible, government functions should be keep as far down the food chain as possible: local, then country, then state, and only then, federal. Or better yet, left to the private sector.

[Clocker]

Imo "militias is the operative word that should be given more weight than anything else

The debate is over. The meaning of the 2nd Amendment is settled social science.

The right to bear arms includes civilian ownership of weapons currently in common use for legal purposes. You deniers just have to accept the truth.

[mostpost]

You probably think that the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets too.

The Tea Party takes its name from the phrase "Taxed Enough Already", as well as paying homage to the early patriots who also rebelled against unfair taxes.
The truth is if your tax rate was one percent, you would still be complaining that you were being taxed too much. You simply don't want to pay any taxes.
As far as the early patriots rebelling against unfair taxes, that is simply not the case. The colonists objected not to the taxes, but to the fact that they were not represented in the Parliament that imposed them. They also objected to the fact that the taxes collected in the colonies was returned to England and not used here.

The rest of your post is a rehash of well worn myths and half truths. The fact that an outcome might be a benefit to society does not mean that it has to be imposed by a huge federal government.
The only way for programs such as Social Security and Medicare to work is if everyone participates. Everyone pays into these programs; everyone benefits.
If only a few paid in-if people were allowed to opt out-no one would benefit.

The fact that you see evil capitalist hobgoblins under every bed does not negate the fact that capitalism in its relatively short life in western civilization is responsible for incredible increases in freedom and standards of living. All while cultures that resist or restrain capitalism remain backward and impoverished.
At the beginning of the last century (the 20th) the United States was a capitalist country. It had been so for decades. Men like Rockefeller, Carnegie and Harriman had made millions. The standard of living sucked. Most men worked 12 to 14 hours a day. In many cases children worked because it was the only way a family could survive. If a man died on the job, no one said anything. That would get you fired.

Women working in the garment industry were chained to their sewing machines. Doors were chained from the outside. Everyone has heard of the Triangle shirtwaist factory fire. Hundreds of women died because the manager fled the fire without unchaining the doors.

These abuses ended because labor unions fought to end them. It is the labor union that is responsible for the standard of living so many enjoy today.

And you managed to articulate the most pernicious mind set that is ruining our country today:



Echoing the idiocy of Nancy Pelosi saying we don't have a spending problem, we have a pay-for problem. And the idiocy of Obama saying that millionaires and billionaires have to pay their fair share, when he means their fare share of other peoples money that Obama and Pelosi have decided to spend.
Nancy Pelosi is absolutely right, as usual. Pre Reagan we had modest deficits. Post Reagan and his tax cutting the deficits soared. I have no idea what your second sentence means. If it is other peoples money, then how can millionaires and billionaires be paying it.

Yes, you and Obama and Pelosi and the rest of the Borg have things exactly back-assward. People should pay a fair share of their income in taxes, and society should determine how to allocate that money. Just like in real life, when you spend it all, you are done. If that is not enough do-gooding for you, make a donation. Don't make other people pay for your warm and fuzzy feelings.
I am certain that you have made and continue to make a lot more money than I do or did. Yet here am I perfectly willing to share with those less fortunate. While you cry and moan over every half schilling you have to give up. This is not about any great principles of individual responsibility and free markets. This is about you being a cheapskate.

[reckless]

You know in that long piece, did you bother to bother to go against anything that the racists traditionally support. Not even once! Why is that? Why don't you want to stand up to them on even one single issue?

Your implication that the Tea Party --or basic conservatism--is racist is patently incorrect. The racism in this country lies square at the feet of the liberals and more specifically, the Democrat Party.

Apologists, simpletons and assorted water-carriers such as yourself are just naive dupes of the vulgarians such as Obama, Biden, the Clintons and thousands and thousands more like them.

I will never personally accuse you of such racist conduct, even though you do defend the hateful, racist, anti-American rhetoric of the Left and Democratic Party.

Once again, only the haters on the left espouse racism -- and deliberately accuse the conservatives of such vile conduct thinking we'll cower in the corner caused by such accusations.

I, and many other conservatives, will not play your vapid word games.

You and the other haters in this country have been exposed for what you really are.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I am certain that you have made and continue to make a lot more money than I do or did. Yet here am I perfectly willing to share with those less fortunate. While you cry and moan over every half schilling you have to give up. This is not about any great principles of individual responsibility and free markets. This is about you being a cheapskate.

You can really be a presumptuous asshole.

I guarantee you made and continue to make a lot more than I do or did.

Guess who I agree with.

[JustRalph]

Millions of government employees don't pay into social security. Funny how that works.......from the local level right up through the Feds.

"It only works if everyone pays in"

You're a friggin joke. It's a Ponzi scheme

[Clocker]

I am certain that you have made and continue to make a lot more money than I do or did.

I love this. I wish I had kept track of all the times that you have "analyzed" me as part of your personal attacks on me while unable to refute the content of my remarks. As I remember, the last analysis was that I am a twenty something slacker, unwilling to assume any responsible role in society.

[Clocker]

The only way for programs such as Social Security and Medicare to work is if everyone participates. Everyone pays into these programs; everyone benefits.
If only a few paid in-if people were allowed to opt out-no one would benefit.

Those programs are unconstitutional. They are beyond the scope of the authority granted to the federal government.

Everyone does not benefit, because they are Ponzi schemes, and they have reached the end of their ropes. Social Security is paying out more than it is taking in, and the only way to keep it going is through general tax revenues or borrowing. Medicare is also paying out more than it is taking in through dedicated taxes, and required ever more contribution from the general funds.

[Tom]

The complexities of life in the twenty first century require a complex, large government.

Dumbest thing I ever read.
Bar none.

You have a president who knows nothing that is going on around him and you thing this is good?

What are you smoking, dude? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tom]

Originally Posted by horses4courses
The term Arms could only be applied to what existed at the time.

And what they had at the time was personal protection.
Gee, you don't understand much, do you?

You don't like it, the FF gave you a way to change it.
Amend the constitution.

Oh, that would take work, wouldn't it?
Guess it suck to be you.

Bang bang.

[Tom]

Sighs.....

Just to clarify, I will go on the record.
So as to make myself perfectly clear - so that no one misunderstands.

I believe that, when it was initially written, the 2nd Amendment applied to muskets.

Really sticking my neck out there. :rolleyes:

Uh.....

[Tom]

Abe says read your constitution!

[Clocker]

Nancy Pelosi is absolutely right, as usual.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif

It is only June, but this is the post of the year.

Pelosi said that unemployment benefits are the greatest job creators in the country.

Pelosi said that every month that we do not have a stimulus bill, 500 million jobs are lost.

Pelosi said that we need to pass the ObamaCare bill to find out what is in it.

Pelosi said that ObamaCare will eliminate job-lock, and allow young people to quit working and follow their passion, becoming writers and musicians and photographers.

Pelosi said that she believed in natural gas as a cheap, clean alternative to carbon fuels.

Pelosi said that it was unAmerican to enforce immigration laws.

[Tom]

That's why he thinks she is right.......he thinks like that too. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mostpost]

Millions of government employees don't pay into social security. Funny how that works.......from the local level right up through the Feds.

"It only works if everyone pays in"

You're a friggin joke. It's a Ponzi scheme
The jokes on you, pal. Federal employees have been paying into and collecting Social Security since the mid '80s. That includes Senators and Representatives. I don't know about local or state government so I won't make comment on that.

It is not a Ponzi scheme. As with most things you have a simplistic view of a Ponzi scheme and Social Security. It has been proven many times that Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme.

[Tom]

It has been proven many times that Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme.
Who proved that?
The same one who proved Pelois was always right? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mostpost]

Those programs are unconstitutional. They are beyond the scope of the authority granted to the federal government.
The Supreme Court did not agree with you. Three cases in the thirties challenged the constitutionality of Social Security; Helvering vs. Davis, Steward Machine Company vs. Davis, and Carmichael vs. Southern Coal and Coke and Gulf States Paper.

In all three cases those opposing Social Security argued that the tax supporting the program was not mentioned in the Constitution. That view was rejected by the Courts majority. Mr. Justice Cardozo for the majority wrote;
There have been statesman in our history who have stood for other views. . .We will not resurrect the contest. It is now settled by decision. The conception of the spending power advocated by Hamilton . . .has prevailed over that of Madison. . ." Arguing that the unemployment compensation program provided for the general welfare, Cardozo observed: ". . .there is need to remind ourselves of facts as to the problem of unemployment that are now matters of common knowledge. . .the roll of the unemployed, itself formidable enough, was only a partial roll of the destitute or needy. The fact developed quickly that the states were unable to give the requisite relief. The problem had become national in area and dimensions. There was need of help from the nation if the people were not to starve. It is too late today for the argument to be heard with tolerance that in a crisis so extreme the use of the moneys of the nation to relieve the unemployed and their dependents is a use for any purpose [other] than the promotion of the general welfare."


Then he concluded:
"The purge of nation-wide calamity that began in 1929 has taught us many lessons. . . Spreading from state to state, unemployment is an ill not particular but general, which may be checked, if Congress so determines, by the resources of the nation. . . But the ill is all one or at least not greatly different whether men are thrown out of work because there is no longer work to do or because the disabilities of age make them incapable of doing it. Rescue becomes necessary irrespective of the cause. The hope behind this statute is to save men and women from the rigors of the poor house as well as from the haunting fear that such a lot awaits them when journey's end is near."

Your whole idea that the Founders were trying to establish a weak central government is just wrong. They were living under a weak central government-the Articles of Confederation-and it wasn't working. The original purpose of the convention in Philadelphia was to amend the Articles. It soon became clear to the delegates that was not going to work. So in contravention of their mandate, they crafted a new document.

[PaceAdvantage]

1. This is the twenty first century. The Tea Party takes its name from an event that occurred in the eighteenth century.What's the NAACP's excuse for keeping their name?

[Actor]

Millions of government employees don't pay into social security. Funny how that works.......from the local level right up through the Feds.Wrong. Not the Feds. All Federal employees hired, or rehired, on or after 1 Jan 1987 pay into the Federal Employee's Retirement System (FERS). Under FERS the employees pay into both Social Security and a 401k type plan called the Thrift Plan.

Employees under the Civil Service Retirement system 1 Jan 87 were given the option to switch to FERS or to remain with the CSR. Those who stayed with CSR had their Social Security benefits slashed drastically and in some cases eliminated altogether.

It's been 27 years since the switch. I doubt there are many federal employees still working under CSR.

[Actor]

Who proved that?
The same one who proved Pelois was always right? :lol: :lol: :lol:Who (or what) is Pelois?

[Greyfox]

Who (or what) is Pelois?

Typo.

Pelosi - puhleese.

[JustRalph]

Actually I believe it changed in 84. Whatever, they were not required to pay into it. It belies the point he made. Millions did not pay in until after 84. I know 2 who are still working who are on the old plan. Hired in 1982. Both are pencil pushers flying a desk.

Police and Fire in many States do not pay in either. These are government employees, who get to opt out. Nobody else can choose to opt out? Only government employees. Funny how that works.

[JustRalph]

Oops! Another Black Conservative has cropped up

http://youtu.be/xIgjOX1jJXw

Republican Candidate in Alabama

xIgjOX1jJXw

Stand by, still searching for a unicorn

[tucker6]

I love this. I wish I had kept track of all the times that you have "analyzed" me as part of your personal attacks on me while unable to refute the content of my remarks. As I remember, the last analysis was that I am a twenty something slacker, unwilling to assume any responsible role in society.
You're a democrat? :confused:

[cj's dad]

I want to be called a Polish-Irish-American from here on. Strange that I was never able to find that choice on any employment application.

PS- I don't own a musket, and I did pay into SS, no choice in the matter, and I am currently collecting SS and under Medicare Parts A&B.

[Greyfox]

I want to be called a Polish-Irish-American from here on. .

Okay.

How about Kazmierz Patrick Washington? Does that work for you? :D

[dartman51]

It's amazing to me that a man of your years can still think that our trainwreck of a federal government is the solution and not the problem.

He thinks he's still playing the Washington Generals, he doesn't realize that the San Antonio Spurs stepped in, and are kicking his ass. ;)

[dartman51]

Oops! Another Black Conservative has cropped up

http://youtu.be/xIgjOX1jJXw

Republican Candidate in Alabama

xIgjOX1jJXw

Stand by, still searching for a unicorn

It's ok to hate blacks, as long as you are a Democrat. And especially if the black person happens to be a filthy no good, Uncle Tom Republican. :rolleyes:

[Robert Goren]

I want to be called a Polish-Irish-American from here on. Strange that I was never able to find that choice on any employment application.

PS- I don't own a musket, and I did pay into SS, no choice in the matter, and I am currently collecting SS and under Medicare Parts A&B.I settle just plain ole American. I don't need to put anything in front of it. It is implied I am white skinned and I know it. I was lucky enough to born with a white skin and I know that was just plain luck. I have had a good life. It was a lot easier to live well because I because I have a white skin. I don't pretend that it was not. I like to think I would have done as well if I had not had a white skin, but who knows. I do know that things would have been different. My chances to do well would have been more limited. My chances to screw up would have been more. Again I like to think I would have found the right path, but who knows. I didn't have 90% of my 7th grade trying to convince me to join a gang. I didn't have a dope addict for a mother and father that I had never met or who was in jail. Who knows how I would have turned out if that would have been my childhood.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Some pretty swell stereotypes in there. Love it.

[PhantomOnTour]

I settle just plain ole American. I don't need to put anything in front of it. It is implied I am white skinned and I know it. I was lucky enough to born with a white skin and I know that was just plain luck. I have had a good life. It was a lot easier to live well because I because I have a white skin. I don't pretend that it was not. I like to think I would have done as well if I had not had a white skin, but who knows. I do know that things would have been different. My chances to do well would have been more limited. My chances to screw up would have been more. Again I like to think I would have found the right path, but who knows. I didn't have 90% of my 7th grade trying to convince me to join a gang. I didn't have a dope addict for a mother and father that I had never met or who was in jail. Who knows how I would have turned out if that would have been my childhood.
holy moly Robert
:faint:

[cj's dad]

RG's post speaks volumes about where his head is located.

Good Lord, if I had posted that diatribe I would be called everything under the sun.

A liberal mindset exposed.

BTW- This part of the post was in jest. I'm just fine being a plain old american.

"I want to be called a Polish-Irish-American from here on. Strange that I was never able to find that choice on any employment application."

cj's dad

[dartman51]

"White liberals are the most racist people there are, because they put black people in a box and insist that they think one way -- and if they don't, they attack them as illegitimate, all the while denying that their policies destroy blacks." ~Dr. Ben Carson

[Marshall Bennett]

Also, without blacks there would be no race card to use against conservatives in getting their people elected.

[Tom]

RG's post speaks volumes about where his head is located.



Firmly up his arse. :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown:
HE is who HE rants about.

[tucker6]

I settle just plain ole American. I don't need to put anything in front of it. It is implied I am white skinned and I know it. I was lucky enough to born with a white skin and I know that was just plain luck. I have had a good life. It was a lot easier to live well because I because I have a white skin. I don't pretend that it was not. I like to think I would have done as well if I had not had a white skin, but who knows. I do know that things would have been different. My chances to do well would have been more limited. My chances to screw up would have been more. Again I like to think I would have found the right path, but who knows. I didn't have 90% of my 7th grade trying to convince me to join a gang. I didn't have a dope addict for a mother and father that I had never met or who was in jail. Who knows how I would have turned out if that would have been my childhood.
Doesn't get more racist against blacks than that.

[Clocker]

"White liberals are the most racist people there are, because they put black people in a box and insist that they think one way -- and if they don't, they attack them as illegitimate, all the while denying that their policies destroy blacks." ~Dr. Ben Carson

Like this little gem from a resident lib, posted earlier in this thread, claiming that fiscal responsibility is racist. Without regard to the fact that fiscal irresponsibility puts big burdens on future generations of minorities.

When you speak of fiscal responsibility, your first thought is to look at the money available and if it is insufficient, you want to cut the program regardless of the need. We should look at the need and find the financing. As long as our taxes are half or less what they were in the past, we have the money to find these programs. Not doing so is racist because it is people of color who suffer disproportionately if these programs are cancelled or curtailed.

Again assuming a strong and continuing correlation between race and welfare. But if a conservative says anything about welfare, that is code for racism.

[JustRalph]

holy moly Robert
:faint:

you said a mouth full.......... took the words right out of my mouth.

[PaceAdvantage]

I settle just plain ole American. I don't need to put anything in front of it. It is implied I am white skinned and I know it. I was lucky enough to born with a white skin and I know that was just plain luck. I have had a good life. It was a lot easier to live well because I because I have a white skin. I don't pretend that it was not. I like to think I would have done as well if I had not had a white skin, but who knows. I do know that things would have been different. My chances to do well would have been more limited. My chances to screw up would have been more. Again I like to think I would have found the right path, but who knows. I didn't have 90% of my 7th grade trying to convince me to join a gang. I didn't have a dope addict for a mother and father that I had never met or who was in jail. Who knows how I would have turned out if that would have been my childhood.All left-leaners who have ever sided with Mr. Goren in the past, please take note of who the real racists are among us.

[horses4courses]

All left-leaners who have ever sided with Mr. Goren in the past, please take note of who the real racists are among us.

Feel better now?

[Clocker]

An interesting article called "Why liberals should stop trying to "help" black Americans" (http://nypost.com/2014/06/28/how-liberals-make-it-harder-for-blacks-to-succeed/). It is written by Jason Riley, and discusses the ideas in his book, "Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed". In echoing some praise by Democratic leadership about the president, I would point out that Riley is articulate and bright and clean and doesn't speak with a Negro dialect.

Some excerpts:

Obama was doing exactly what liberals have been conditioning blacks to do since the 1960s, which is to blame black pathology on the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow laws. And the president is conditioning the next generation of blacks to do the same.

This is a dodge. Those legacies are not holding down blacks half as much as the legacy of efforts to help them “overcome.” The left’s sentimental support has turned underprivileged blacks into playthings for liberal intellectuals and politicians who care more about clearing their conscience or winning votes than advocating behaviors and attitudes that have allowed other groups to get ahead.

...

Liberalism has also succeeded, tragically, in convincing blacks to see themselves first and foremost as victims. Today there is no greater impediment to black advancement than the self-pitying mindset that permeates black culture.

White liberals think they are helping blacks by romanticizing miscreants. And black liberals are all too happy to hustle guilty whites. The result, manifest in everything from black studies programs to black media to black politics, is an obsession with racial slights real or imagined.

[horses4courses]

I would point out that Riley is articulate and bright and clean and doesn't speak with a Negro dialect.

Interesting that you would ever find it necessary to point this out to anyone.

[Clocker]

Interesting that you would ever find it necessary to point this out to anyone.

Interesting that the sarcasm escaped you. I wasn't pointing it out about Riley. I was pointing out that Harry Reid and Joe Biden are so condescending to blacks that they felt compelled to use these descriptions about Barack Obama.

[dartman51]

Interesting that you would ever find it necessary to point this out to anyone.


Probably because that is exactly what Harry Reid said about Obama. Did you ask him why he felt the need to point it out? :D

[Clocker]

Probably because that is exactly what Harry Reid said about Obama. Did you ask him why he felt the need to point it out? :D

Dirty Harry also pointed out that Obama was light-skinned. Riley isn't, so I didn't mention that particular "compliment" from Harry.

[horses4courses]

Dirty Harry also pointed out that Obama was light-skinned. Riley isn't, so I didn't mention that particular "compliment" from Harry.

Oh yeah....you're right.
Mea culpa.

The humor of the Right escapes me on occasion.
Sort of like those situations where you stop and think
for a second - "Are they laughing with me, or at me?"
An age old GOP quandary.

[Robert Goren]

All left-leaners who have ever sided with Mr. Goren in the past, please take note of who the real racists are among us.The real racist are the whites who born in 1948 like me and think they had as hard as the African Americans born at the same time.

[Clocker]

The humor of the Right escapes me on occasion.


Liberals are so literal. :p

[Clocker]

The real racist are the whites who born in 1948 like me and think they had as hard as the African Americans born at the same time.

The real racists are the whites who think that they know what blacks think and what is good for them.

[Marshall Bennett]

The real racists are the whites who think that they know what blacks think and what is good for them.
Yeah well, ask most blacks what is good for them and see what kind of racist answer you'll get against whites. Start with the blacks destroying the south side of Chicago, I'm dying to hear what they say.

[hcap]

Yeah well, ask most blacks what is good for them and see what kind of racist answer you'll get against whites. Start with the blacks destroying the south side of Chicago, I'm dying to hear what they say.Have you asked "most Blacks"?

[reckless]

Your implication that the Tea Party --or basic conservatism--is racist is patently incorrect. The racism in this country lies square at the feet of the liberals and more specifically, the Democrat Party.

Apologists, simpletons and assorted water-carriers such as yourself are just naive dupes of the vulgarians such as Obama, Biden, the Clintons and thousands and thousands more like them.

I will never personally accuse you of such racist conduct, even though you do defend the hateful, racist, anti-American rhetoric of the Left and Democratic Party.

Once again, only the haters on the left espouse racism -- and deliberately accuse the conservatives of such vile conduct thinking we'll cower in the corner caused by such accusations.

I, and many other conservatives, will not play your vapid word games.

You and the other haters in this country have been exposed for what you really are.

Goren's post below appeared after my earlier response to another silly, incorrect and hateful post by him.

I settle just plain ole American. I don't need to put anything in front of it. It is implied I am white skinned and I know it. I was lucky enough to born with a white skin and I know that was just plain luck. I have had a good life. It was a lot easier to live well because I because I have a white skin. I don't pretend that it was not. I like to think I would have done as well if I had not had a white skin, but who knows. I do know that things would have been different. My chances to do well would have been more limited. My chances to screw up would have been more. Again I like to think I would have found the right path, but who knows. I didn't have 90% of my 7th grade trying to convince me to join a gang. I didn't have a dope addict for a mother and father that I had never met or who was in jail. Who knows how I would have turned out if that would have been my childhood.

Typical thoughts from one of our pontificating, racist, know-it-all resident liberals.

I rest my case.

[cj's dad]

Have you asked "most Blacks"?

We know you haven't , living in a lily-white town !!

[hcap]

We know you haven't , living in a lily-white town !!Where is that?

Besides I spent 30 years running a shop in Queens. Manhattan and other inner city locales before retirement. Majority of employees Blacks and Hispanics

Consult regularly for a guy I used to work for in Florida. More Hispanics and other minorities. Do you work with Blacks, or just bitch about them? As Bennett does.

[Robert Goren]

The real racists are the whites who think that they know what blacks think and what is good for them.In order words, the far right.

[FantasticDan]

All left-leaners who have ever sided with Mr. Goren in the past, please take note of who the real racists are among us.Why is Mr. Goren taking so much shit for basically describing the plot of The Wire? :confused: :cool:

[Clocker]

Where is that?

Besides I spent 30 years running a shop in Queens. Manhattan and other inner city locales before retirement. Majority of employees Blacks and Hispanics



Do you really believe that your employees were fully honest and forthcoming with you about their thoughts about race?

[Tom]

In order words, the far right.

Explanation with examples?
Or is this just more BS?

[Tom]

Oh yeah....you're right.
Mea culpa.

The humor of the Right escapes me on occasion.
Sort of like those situations where you stop and think
for a second - "Are they laughing with me, or at me?"
An age old GOP quandary.

To make it easier, rule of thumb, it is "at."

:D (or is it?)

[hcap]

Do you really believe that your employees were fully honest and forthcoming with you about their thoughts about race? I would trust them more than Riley, Marshall Bennett and Curtis/bay.

A few wound up more than employees. Some of us remain in touch.
I watched some of their kids grow over the years.

You have any long term Black or Hispanic friends? It happens, especially when you break your asses for years working together getting out involved projects.

In addition to planning all the jobs and scheduling, at times I spent many days getting my hands dirty making stuff. Was frequently surprised by a "seat of the pants" approach fabricating intricate work, demonstrated often by"uneducated" minority workers without an "official" technical and mathematical background.

[tucker6]

Was frequently surprised by a "seat of the pants" approach fabricating intricate work, demonstrated often by"uneducated" minority workers without an "official" technical and mathematical background.
Do you libs actually read what you write. You seem truly astounded that "dumbass" blacks and hispanics can chew gum and walk at the same time. There are uncounted numbers of "uneducated" people in all shapes and sizes and colors that can do amazing things without technical degrees. Why do only the minority ones surprise you? Come on whitey, tell us what is really in your heart like you guys frequently ask us. :rolleyes:

[johnhannibalsmith]

Why is Mr. Goren taking so much shit ...

It would have been nice if you, or maybe someone else that shares most of Goren's stated political beliefs, would have just stopped right there.

Goren a racist?

Get real. He is not a racist.

But the irony is pretty stellar as he is routinely the one peddling in this shit.

It wasn't all that long ago that I stated that the word(s) "racist, racism" would be dead and gone pretty soon. They were just about there. Thanks to guys like Goren that make it their default interjection.

Ten years or so ago, what Goren said would have just been called "politically incorrect" because it dealt in generalities. Of course, it has to be generalities relating to minorities to fall into that category, otherwise it's okay to generalize. And people thought the "PC" label was bad enough.

Now, you say it and you are automatically a racist. Take your $200 past go and onto shitty old Baltic because you'll need it.

You have yourself to thank for getting the Bob Dylan how does it feel treatment, but it's unfair. So please stop doing it.

[Clocker]

Was frequently surprised by a "seat of the pants" approach fabricating intricate work, demonstrated often by"uneducated" minority workers without an "official" technical and mathematical background.

Wow, truly remarkable. Could any of them speak without a Negro dialect when they wanted to?

[cj's dad]

Where is that?

Besides I spent 30 years running a shop in Queens. Manhattan and other inner city locales before retirement. Majority of employees Blacks and Hispanics

Consult regularly for a guy I used to work for in Florida. More Hispanics and other minorities. Do you work with Blacks, or just bitch about them? As Bennett does.


Shipyards - 20 years - 40-50% black
Copper Refinery- 5 years - 25% black
Food manufacturing plant-15 years- 50% black
Construction Inspector;
Bricklayers Blacks and Hispanic
Drywall- Hispanic
Roofing- Hispanic
Road work- Hispanic and black
The folks I "bitch" about are the criminals and slackards. In this city, population 65% black, most of those are black. One just has to check out the population % of Baltimore city jail and the make up of the welfare rolls.




Facts are a bitch cracker !

[horses4courses]

Wow, truly remarkable. Could any of them speak without a Negro dialect when they wanted to?

Talk about a joke wearing thin :faint:

[Clocker]

Talk about a joke wearing thin :faint:

As thin as the old liberal mandatory mantra about "some of my best friends are black", repeated in many variations here?

[Valuist]

A lot of people call themselves Italian Americans, Irish Americans, etc., I guess it applies them as well?

I personally don't care what the media labels a person. I have a mind of my own.

I never hear people refer to themselves as "Italian American" or "Irish American". Or "Polish American" or "Swedish American". Never.

[Robert Goren]

I never hear people refer to themselves as "Italian American" or "Irish American". Or "Polish American" or "Swedish American". Never. You must sleep through St. Patrick's Day.;)

[PaceAdvantage]

How many of you would qualify for the label "Stupid-American?"

:lol:

[Robert Goren]

How many of you would qualify for the label "Stupid-American?"

:lol:I don't know about that, but "slightly crazy American " might get quite few? :rolleyes:

[hcap]

Do you libs actually read what you write. You seem truly astounded that "dumbass" blacks and hispanics can chew gum and walk at the same time. There are uncounted numbers of "uneducated" people in all shapes and sizes and colors that can do amazing things without technical degrees. Why do only the minority ones surprise you? Come on whitey, tell us what is really in your heart like you guys frequently ask us. :rolleyes:Your the one that said dumbass!

Gee, are you telling me conservatives and old white decrepit rpugs can actually walk and chew gum too? At the same time even?

That is surprising :eek:

[hcap]

As thin as the old liberal mandatory mantra about "some of my best friends are black", repeated in many variations here?Considering 2% of rethugs and 1% of TeePee'ers are black, it is reasonable to conclude some of cons best friends are not.

[horses4courses]

and chew gum too?

Please don't forget the much-maligned tobacco industry ;)

[tucker6]

Your the one that said dumbass!

Gee, are you telling me conservatives and old white decrepit rpugs can actually walk and chew gum too? At the same time even?

That is surprising :eek:
You certainly implied the word "dumbass" with your characterization of minorities in your original post. A "repug" couldn't write a more politically incorrect statement than you did if we tried. Congrats!!

[hcap]

The folks I "bitch" about are the criminals and slackards. In this city, population 65% black, most of those are black. One just has to check out the population % of Baltimore city jail and the make up of the welfare rolls.

Facts are a bitch cracker !Cracker?

So who or what is to blame for the "high percentage" of Black welfare recipients an Black criminals? The city of Baltimore? The is one overriding commonality in your numerous rascist diatribes. Being Black.

[hcap]

You certainly implied the word "dumbass" with your characterization of minorities in your original post. A "repug" couldn't write a more politically incorrect statement than you did if we tried. Congrats!!Bullshit! Your projection. I spoke from personal experience mentioning working with people forms personal opinions rather than the accusation of living in a "lily white town" and therefore having no interaction with minorities as I was accused of by the real "cracker" on this board.

[PaceAdvantage]

OK, now this thread is finished...