Dumping Illegals.......sad

[JustRalph]

http://twitchy.com/2014/06/07/leaked-pics-show-overcrowded-border-patrol-facilities-in-texas/

What the hell is the deal with this?

Why? what's the long term goal?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpd_Ow3CMAEw-zr.jpg

[Robert Goren]

The sad thing is that parents in Central America countries are send their kids up here. Those who claim to be concerned about how the kids are treated here should give a little thought about what will happen to them when they are sent back. It is going to be a lot worse for them there. From what I have gathered from stories about this is that most of the kids are not Mexican, but from Central America. Mexico wants no part of them either. A fence isn't going to stop them. No easy answers here.

[tucker6]

The sad thing is that parents in Central America countries are send their kids up here. Those who claim to be concerned about how the kids are treated here should give a little thought about what will happen to them when they are sent back. It is going to be a lot worse for them there. From what I have gathered from stories about this is that most of the kids are not Mexican, but from Central America. Mexico wants no part of them either. A fence isn't going to stop them. No easy answers here.
yes, there is an easy answer. You send the kids home. That sends the additional message that there is nothing to gain by trying it in the first place. We didn't create the problem in the first place. Let the people in those countries solve their own issues.

[Robert Goren]

yes, there is an easy answer. You send the kids home. That sends the additional message that there is nothing to gain by trying it in the first place. We didn't create the problem in the first place. Let the people in those countries solve their own issues.It is an answer, but probably not an easy one. But it might be the best one.
I doubt that powers that be in those countries have any interest in solving those problems. In fact, they probably have attitude that once the kids leave the country they are somebody else's problem. They want them back almost as much as you want to see them come here. They are not spend a lot of money hunting down their parents who did not want them in the first place. What happens to the kids sent back is anyone's guess. Of this I am sure, you won't to see the pictures with your breakfast.
As long as even a few kids slip through, their parents are going to keep sending them although you have to wonder what the parent think those kids are going to do once they get here. It is not like there is a job waiting for every 13 year old kid that slips though. My guess is that many in up in the sex trade.

[TJDave]

Wonder why they're sending them to Arizona...An inside joke, perhaps? :rolleyes:

[fast4522]

Because our resources all across our country are stretched to the breaking point. A friendly push is all that will need to come, soon.

[Robert Goren]

Because our resources all across our country are stretched to the breaking point. A friendly push is all that will need to come, soon. A push to where? A camp back into their home countries that resembles something out a Dickens novel. Are you comfortable with that? because that is what is going to happen if they are sent back. We may have to send them back, but lets not ignore the fact they are going back to a living hell.

[MONEY]

Wonder why they're sending them to Arizona...An inside joke, perhaps? :rolleyes:
Because the President wants to stick it to Governor Jan Brewer
& Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

[BlueShoe]

Wonder why they're sending them to Arizona.
They're grooming them to vote Democratic. Nothing like early indoctrination to insure party loyalty.

[fast4522]

A push to where? A camp back into their home countries that resembles something out a Dickens novel. Are you comfortable with that? because that is what is going to happen if they are sent back. We may have to send them back, but lets not ignore the fact they are going back to a living hell.


Illegal immigration is bleeding us dry of money that we do not have, your inability to consider our interest as a country is mind blowing. Our very best hero's who served with distinction to our country are being left for dead while Illegal immigrants go to any ER for top shelf care. They are dumping planeloads into Texas now, flying them south.

[acorn54]

the solution is complicated and has to be solved on both a humaniarian level and a level to protect our soveriegnty.
i for one do not pretend to have the answer(s), the person(s) who can solve this compassionatly, yet practically should get the noble peace prize.
unfortunately our "leaders" are probably underqualified to handle this problem.

[DJofSD]

The sad thing is that parents in Central America countries are send their kids up here. Those who claim to be concerned about how the kids are treated here should give a little thought about what will happen to them when they are sent back. It is going to be a lot worse for them there. From what I have gathered from stories about this is that most of the kids are not Mexican, but from Central America. Mexico wants no part of them either. A fence isn't going to stop them. No easy answers here.
Ya, it's for the kids.

God how I get tired of that being the reason for every social ill.

Liberals ask why is the US always the police of the world.

I ask, why is the US the baby sitter of the world.

[Clocker]

From what I have gathered from stories about this is that most of the kids are not Mexican, but from Central America. Mexico wants no part of them either.

They are from Central America. And the story we are supposed to believe is that 90,000 unaccompanied children a year make it across 1800 miles of Mexico without anyone in the Mexican government or law enforcement noticing them.

The obvious explanation is that Mexico is not capable of protecting their own southern border. So they either ignore or assist the flow to get them up north and out of their country ASAP.

As an analyst on Fox News just remarked, Obama has defaulted control of our southern border to Mexico.

[Clocker]

The official White House story is that the surge of young illegals is due to conditions in Central America. There is now evidence (http://washingtonexaminer.com/on-immigrant-surge-white-house-story-falls-apart/article/2549755) that they are coming because they believe that the president's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals order gives them permission to stay in the country.

Border Patrol agents in the most heavily-trafficked area of the surge, the Rio Grande Valley sector of Texas, recently questioned 230 illegal immigrants about why they came. The results showed overwhelmingly that the immigrants, including those classified as UACs, or unaccompanied children, were motivated by the belief that they would be allowed to stay in the United States -- and not by conditions in their homelands. From a report written by the agents, quoting from the interviews:
The main reason the subjects chose this particular time to migrate to the United States was to take advantage of the "new" U.S. "law" that grants a "free pass" or permit (referred to as "permisos") being issued by the U.S. government to female adult OTMs traveling with minors and to UACs. (Comments: The "permisos" are the Notice to Appear documents issued to undocumented aliens, when they are released on their own recognizance pending a hearing before an immigration judge.) The information is apparently common knowledge in Central America and is spread by word of mouth, and international and local media. A high percentage of the subjects interviewed stated their family members in the U.S. urged them to travel immediately, because the United States government was only issuing immigration "permisos" until the end of June 2014…The issue of "permisos" was the main reason provided by 95% of the interviewed subjects.

[tucker6]

The official White House story is that the surge of young illegals is due to conditions in Central America. There is now evidence (http://washingtonexaminer.com/on-immigrant-surge-white-house-story-falls-apart/article/2549755) that they are coming because they believe that the president's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals order gives them permission to stay in the country.
who coulda seen that one coming ... :rolleyes:

[Robert Goren]

The good news is the end of June is 2 weeks away. I have my doubts about story and the whether there is such a policy. There is a civil war going in two Central American countries. Civil wars these days create lots of children refugees. I don't think we should take in refugees. But we have to live with is going to happen to them if we don't. I can do that even though it is not a pretty picture and a lot of the returnees will die. It also means we should take refugees from the middle east like the taxi driver mentioned in an earlier thread. We are at the point where we should take in immigrants who will contribute here and perhaps on a case to a case basis spouses of US citizens. We need hard rules for that. No more grape pickers or political refuges except in the extreme cases of political defectors who can provide information No more Cuban raft people. People come here on student visa should always have to return to their home country for a long period of time.

[highnote]

John Mauldin, a somewhat conservative financial analyst from Texas, has an interesting perspective on the child immigration crisis:

LINK NEEDED

[Tom]

Border patrol agents have known this was coming for 18 months.
This was not unexpected, yet again, NOTHING was done in preparation.
Obama WANTS them coming here.

[DJofSD]

Muslim tradition is to give hospitality when it is sought.

[Tom]

Good.
Send them to Sorry Arabia.

[Robert Goren]

They are coming into Texas in much larger numbers than Arizona and California. I wonder why that is? Maybe they heard all the jobs in the country are moving to Texas.:rolleyes:

[classhandicapper]

They are coming into Texas in much larger numbers than Arizona and California. I wonder why that is? Maybe they heard all the jobs in the country are moving to Texas.:rolleyes:

That's not it. It's that the democrats are trying to put Texas's large electoral college vote into play for the presidential election in 8-16 years. They already have those other states locked up.

[Robert Goren]

That's not it. It's that the democrats are trying to put Texas's large electoral college vote into play for the presidential election in 8-16 years. They already have those other states locked up.So why is Obama trying to ship them to other states?

[classhandicapper]

So why is Obama trying to ship them to other states?

That's a good question because it's evidence against my theory. So my guess would be that way more are coming in at one time than they expected. They are trying to address the short term logistical and humanitarian issues until they can put "operation turn Texas blue" back into motion. ;)

[Tom]

So why is Obama trying to ship them to other states?

Obama is a cancer - he wants to spread it around.

[DJofSD]

Obama is a cancer - he wants to spread it around.
I like it. There's a bit of Zappa in you.

[FantasticDan]

That's not it. It's that the democrats are trying to put Texas's large electoral college vote into play for the presidential election in 8-16 years. They already have those other states locked up. :D Colbert had a pretty good segment on this last nite:

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/glsyx9/stephen-colbert-s-bats--t-serious---child-immigrant-intrigue

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/nx3ix1/stephen-colbert-s-bats--t-serious---child-immigrant-intrigue---john-burnett

[highnote]

John Mauldin, a somewhat conservative financial analyst from Texas, has an interesting perspective on the child immigration crisis:

LINK NEEDED

Last edited by PaceAdvantage : Today at 09:31 AM. Reason: POST a LINK, not an ENTIRE REPRODUCTION



PA -- My post was only a fraction of the Mauldin piece from an email he sends out, not an ENTIRE REPRODUCTION.

Because I received the Mauldin piece by email I included a link to his email and put it at the bottom of my post.

Given the nature of his piece I am certain he would not mind the issue of children crossing the U.S. boarder unattended to be raised in a public forum. This is an important issue to him. Typically, he writes financial and economic articles. He wrote a few paragraphs about the child immigration crisis and put it in the introduction of his longer email to raise awareness among his million or so financial and economic readers.

In this case, I think getting the information out along with his email address trumps providing a URL. But that's just my opinion and you know that I typically include links to copied material that I post. It's your site. I know you have to do what you think is in the best interest of your site.

[Robert Goren]

That's a good question because it's evidence against my theory. So my guess would be that way more are coming in at one time than they expected. They are trying to address the short term logistical and humanitarian issues until they can put "operation turn Texas blue" back into motion. ;) I don't think they expected any of these kids coming. If they had, they'd had a plan, maybe a bad plan, but some sort of plan. It pretty clear they are playing this by ear and doing a bad job of it to boot. I don't think anyone including the tea party saw this coming influx of kids from Central America coming. If they did, they did not write about it to my knowledge. Hindsight right now is 20/20 on this issue. And there are more theories about it than there are about the JFK assassination.

[Tom]

Wrong, Bobby - the border patrol have know for at least 18 months.
They said so.

[dartman51]

Not saying that Obama planned this whole thing, but it plays right into his hands. This is right out of the 'Rules For Radicals' hand book. To FORCE change, you must OVERWHELM the system. That is exactly what is happening. :mad:

[JustRalph]

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/06/25/immigrant-mother-all-children-need-to-do-is-hand-themselves-over-to-the-border-patrol/

Obama implementing the dream act after it was denied in Congress is what brought this about. This is going to divide the country even more.

[Robert Goren]

Unless it get better for them back in their home countries, they are going to keep coming. I doubt if there is anything we can do to stop them. If I was one these kids I'd try coming too. I think most of us would too, if we were in their shoes.

[Clocker]

If I was one these kids I'd try coming too.

The kids are doing what their parents tell them to, and the parents are paying to get it done. They would stop if they knew that after paying thousands of dollars to get the kid to the US, the US would just send them back.

[ArlJim78]

Not saying that Obama planned this whole thing, but it plays right into his hands. This is right out of the 'Rules For Radicals' hand book. To FORCE change, you must OVERWHELM the system. That is exactly what is happening. :mad:
but he did implement this, this is no accident. DHS ran want ads for child escorts back in January, said they were expecting 60plus thousand kids coming over. its a deliberate man made humanitarian crisis. only one of many treasonous and impeachable offenses.

[DJofSD]

First they walk guns across the border one way, now, they walk future voters across it going the other.

[DJofSD]

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/nancy-pelosi-border-detained-minors-108371.html

[Tom]

First they walk guns across the border one way, now, they walk future voters across it going the other.

Democrat Free Trade.

[Robert Goren]

The kids are doing what their parents tell them to, and the parents are paying to get it done. They would stop if they knew that after paying thousands of dollars to get the kid to the US, the US would just send them back.And if you were one of those kid's parents, wouldn't you do the same?

[Clocker]

Maybe Nancy will bring a few home with her

Only if she can do it with your money.



Pelosi explained, "We are all Americans -- north and south in this hemisphere," and urged America to see this as not a crisis but an opportunity "to be helpful." She also said she wished she could simply "take home" the thousands of children temporarily housed in the overburden facilities.



No indication that she intended to do anything about it personally. Pelosi said that this hemisphere is a single community that happens to have a border going through it, and that this is not a crisis, but a humanitarian opportunity.

Story. (http://www.businessinsider.com/nancy-pelosi-addresses-crisis-at-the-mexican-border-2014-6#ixzz35xsAJxVo)

[Clocker]

And if you were one of those kid's parents, wouldn't you do the same?

No. We know that kids are dying on the way, or being abused, or being sold into sexual slavery. We just don't know yet how many.

[davew]

These people are political refugees and the camps need to be bigger - maybe they could send them to Detroit.

[Clocker]

These people are political refugees and the camps need to be bigger - maybe they could send them to Detroit.

And then give Detroit to Canada?

[classhandicapper]

And if you were one of those kid's parents, wouldn't you do the same?


Absolutely!

But if you've looked at the big picture you already know that the long term finances of the US are a train wreck due to the unfunded liabilities of medicare/medicaid, SS, pensions etc..

So the last thing we need is immigrants that are under educated, under skilled, etc.... and that might put any kind of greater burden on the resources of the country (city, state, or federal). If we are going to have open borders, it should be for highly educated and skilled people or people with the net worth to start small businesses. That way they come in and are a net plus immediately instead of in a generation or two.

The only way to discourage the kind of immigration we can't afford is to make sure they DON'T get the benefits they are looking for or that we send them back home. That will change the mental equation that encourages them to come now.

Some will ask how we can send millions of illegals back. To that I say "One at a time". It's not about sending them all about. It's about sending a message that we are a generous people and welcome immigration, but we can't carry the weight of the world on our backs without crippling ourselves.

We've never had open borders like this. There were always quotas, medical tests, sponsorships, etc.. or you were sent back on the next boat. There were also no generous social programs to encourage it.

[davew]

Absolutely!

But if you've looked at the big picture you already know that the long term finances of the US are a train wreck due to the unfunded liabilities of medicare/medicaid, SS, pensions etc..

So the last thing we need is immigrants that are under educated, under skilled, etc.... and that might put any kind of greater burden on the resources of the country (city, state, or federal). If we are going to have open borders, it should be for highly educated and skilled people or people with the net worth to start small businesses. That way they come in and are a net plus immediately instead of in a generation or two.

The only way to discourage the kind of immigration we can't afford is to make sure they DON'T get the benefits they are looking for or that we send them back home. That will change the mental equation that encourages them to come now.

Some will ask how we can send millions of illegals back. To that I say "One at a time". It's not about sending them all about. It's about sending a message that we are a generous people and welcome immigration, but we can't carry the weight of the world on our backs without crippling ourselves.

We've never had open borders like this. There were always quotas, medical tests, sponsorships, etc.. or you were sent back on the next boat. There were also no generous social programs to encourage it.

Your picture is too big - these people will give more jobs to the areas needed to support them and will eventually be democratic voters. The government should not be run as a business that needs to break-even or profit. It should just be around to help and support people that are temporarily (through no fault of their own) down and out....

[tucker6]

And then give Detroit to Canada?
why would you want to start a war with Canada?

[Clocker]

why would you want to start a war with Canada?

If we throw in the Red Wings and don't make them take the Lions, they will think it is a good deal.

[JustRalph]

Obama wants 2 billion for these refuges. :bang:

What the hell is next?

[tucker6]

Obama wants 2 billion for these refuges. :bang:

What the hell is next?
they aren't refugees if we send them back. If we send them back, no need for $2B. Every day with Obama makes me shake my head.

[Clocker]

If we send them back, no need for $2B.

How much can it cost for a bus ticket south and some lunch money?

And speaking of money, Obama is also asking Congress for half a billion bucks for weapons for Syrian rebels. :rolleyes:

[davew]

Obama wants 2 billion for these refuges. :bang:

What the hell is next?

$2 billion is chump change for an administrator successfully juggling over $17 trillion in debt.

[LottaKash]

Why don't we just annex Mexico and the Central American countries and be done with it....

That's what is happening anyway....Just more slowly and more costlier....

With the NWO right on schedule, it is going to happen anyway...Why wait ?

[sam4022]

What, if anything, is being done to ID and treat illness being carried by the children to prevent introduction and spread within the US of perhaps long defeated childhood sickness?

[Clocker]

What, if anything, is being done to ID and treat illness being carried by the children to prevent introduction and spread within the US of perhaps long defeated childhood sickness?

Not much, apparently (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/06/27/report-border-patrol-looking-to-house-immigrants-in-abandoned-buildings-along-rio-grande/).

In San Antonio, federal officials say a child in a temporary shelter is still recovering from swine flu.

Kenneth Wolfe, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, says the unaccompanied child was recently hospitalized after being diagnosed with swine flu, or H1N1. Wolfe says officials believe this is an isolated incident but are closely monitoring all children at Lackland and other similar shelters the agency is operating around the country.

“That tells you that when you’ve got kids coming in from some of these countries where they don’t have great health systems, we gotta watch out,” says Cuellar. “I’ve talked to border patrol down in McAllen. They’ve seen TB; they’ve seen chicken pox; they’ve seen scabies. And according to Border Patrol, 4 or 5 of their agents have tested positive for those diseases.”

[JustRalph]

http://fb.me/2mRta4Eb5

This is being ignored across the country.........should it be?

[Tom]

How much can it cost for a bus ticket south and some lunch money?

And speaking of money, Obama is also asking Congress for half a billion bucks for weapons for Syrian rebels. :rolleyes:

He will funding ISIS.

Why don't we just annex Mexico and the Central American countries and be done with it....

New Jersey would like that - it elevates its standing as a state. :D
It might even make Obama right on how many states there are.

[JustRalph]

http://bit.ly/1pUtdYF

Protestors turning back the buses in SoCal.

This shocks me

[Clocker]

Protestors turning back the buses in SoCal.



LA Times story here. (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-immigrants-murrieta-20140701-story.html)

[JustRalph]

LA Times story here. (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-immigrants-murrieta-20140701-story.html)

Great link....... :ThmbUp:

[Clocker]

The LA Times story says that the protests followed a call by the local mayor to protest the move by the feds.

[JustRalph]

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/07/153034-ever-wonder-happens-illegals-caught-crossing-border-might-like-answer/

The push back is growing here in Dallas. Lots of planning for protests. A local judge is trying to find a refuge center and the opposition is starting to rise up.

Going to be an interesting few weeks.

The Border agent in the video above is probably toast

[Clocker]

A local judge is trying to find a refuge center and the opposition is starting to rise up.


I don't see any problem with that as long as it is on private property, funded with private money, presents no threat to public health, and does not interfere with the legal processing of illegal aliens.

[Tom]

Time for all the lefties to put their money where their mouths are - pony up, boys, You pay for it this time! :lol:

[tucker6]

Time for all the lefties to put their money where their mouths are - pony up, boys, You pay for it this time! :lol:
You make a good point. We should pay for all these socialist programs and activities through a voluntary tax. I wonder what percentage of the left would voluntarily pay for these programs? Very few. Yet they have no problem in saying that everything is a crisis and that "we all" should pay for it. Many of the problems I see are self-inflicted by the people having the crisis, so why and how is that my problem? Just because some liberal tells me I should feel bad for these people and reach into my pocket to help? I help plenty, but at the time and place of my choosing. I think I have a better handle on my belief system than some of the socialists on this site.

[Tom]

How do we pay for it all?
We freeze the assets of every single country involved, including Mexico for allowing the parade to go through them.

And of course, cease all foreign aid.

[tucker6]

And of course, cease all foreign aid.
Now you've gone too far ... :rolleyes:

[Tom]

I forgot - no one is ever held responsible for their actions anymore - so why would we expect a country to be?

I'll ask Obama about it - right after he gets through wiping noses in Brazil.
I think that's a nose......

[Robert Goren]

How do we pay for it all?
We freeze the assets of every single country involved, including Mexico for allowing the parade to go through them.

And of course, cease all foreign aid.Might work if the Mexican government had any power, but they don't. The drug cartels have divided up the country and run their sections like a middle ages fiefdoms. The US government has been trying to seize their assets for several decades now with almost no success.

[Tom]

W have marines.
We have drones.
Close the borders to ALL traffic.
If we want to do something we CAN do something.
Why we give this third rate miserable excuse of a country the time of day is beyond me.

[Robert Goren]

The Mexican kids, we send right back. It is the Central American kids that are the problem. And getting tough with Mexico isn't going to solve that problem. Mexico is going solve our problem for us. They have enough of their own. These kids need to go back to their country of origin. The next question is what happens to them there. The only sure thing about is they are not going to be treated well back home. I think the right likes to pretend that those countries are going to hunt down their parents and return the kids to them and everything will be hunky-dory. I think that is highly unlikely.

[DJofSD]

Mexico is a part of the problem. They need to become a part of the solution.

[tucker6]

The Mexican kids, we send right back. It is the Central American kids that are the problem. And getting tough with Mexico isn't going to solve that problem. Mexico is going solve our problem for us. They have enough of their own. These kids need to go back to their country of origin. The next question is what happens to them there. The only sure thing about is they are not going to be treated well back home. I think the right likes to pretend that those countries are going to hunt down their parents and return the kids to them and everything will be hunky-dory. I think that is highly unlikely.
Are you making that up? Can you find one instance on this issue where anyone on the right thinks unicorns exist? Just like every other leftist issue du jour, it's not our freaking problem. I am big into helping animals through shelters and other means, but at some point I realized I couldn't save them all nor pay for every procedure one needed. The needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few. That same process applies to every malnourished, mistreated, diseased-ridden child in the world. We can't save them all. Sound cold and heartless? Only to those who believe we can save them all and not impact the quality of everything else.

[davew]

Time for all the lefties to put their money where their mouths are - pony up, boys, You pay for it this time! :lol:


of course they will pay for it - with OPM (other peoples money)

[Clocker]

The administration has devised a solution (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/03/ICE-to-No-Longer-Refer-to-Unaccompanied-Minors-as-UACs) that ends the problem of unaccompanied alien children.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) personnel have been directed to no longer refer to illegal immigrant children crossing the border alone as “UACs” (unaccompanied alien children).

Instead these individuals are to be referred to as “unaccompanied children” in official correspondence, according to an internal ICE email obtained by the Center for Immigration Studies and shared with Breitbart News.

[tucker6]

The administration has devised a solution (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/03/ICE-to-No-Longer-Refer-to-Unaccompanied-Minors-as-UACs) that ends the problem of unaccompanied alien children.
Why didn't I think of that? :faint:

[Clocker]

It's a small sliver of honesty from the administration. Those children are here to stay, so why bother to refer to them as aliens?

[TJDave]

The administration has devised a solution (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/03/ICE-to-No-Longer-Refer-to-Unaccompanied-Minors-as-UACs) that ends the problem of unaccompanied alien children.

Smart. No one wants to go on record as being against children. It would have been equally effective if they called them kittens. ;)

[Tom]

Now the door is open to bring in all of their family members as a "humanitarian"
move. This is the advance of a major invasion of our country orchestrated by
a Kenyan.

[Clocker]

Obama is going to be in Texas next week for Democratic fund raisers (a primary responsibility in the Constitutional list of presidential responsibilities) and has no plans to see any of the problems caused by the influx of illegals. Texas Gov. Rick Perry extended an invitation to Obama to see what is happening, but Perry says he has not heard back from the president.

Story: Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679897/Obama-wont-visit-detention-facilities-holding-thousands-illegal-immigrant-children-visits-Texas-week.html)

[RaceBookJoe]

Obama is going to be in Texas next week for Democratic fund raisers (a primary responsibility in the Constitutional list of presidential responsibilities) and has no plans to see any of the problems caused by the influx of illegals. Texas Gov. Rick Perry extended an invitation to Obama to see what is happening, but Perry says he has not heard back from the president.

Story: Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679897/Obama-wont-visit-detention-facilities-holding-thousands-illegal-immigrant-children-visits-Texas-week.html)

No surprise, some people are blind...others just choose not to see.

[Tom]

Obama is going to be in Texas next week for Democratic fund raisers (a primary responsibility in the Constitutional list of presidential responsibilities) and has no plans to see any of the problems caused by the influx of illegals. Texas Gov. Rick Perry extended an invitation to Obama to see what is happening, but Perry says he has not heard back from the president.

Story: Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679897/Obama-wont-visit-detention-facilities-holding-thousands-illegal-immigrant-children-visits-Texas-week.html)

Obama knows what is happening. He calls it Mission Accomplished.

[Clocker]

Obama knows what is happening.

Yeah, he learns about it on NBC Nightly News. :rolleyes:

[davew]

Yeah, he learns about it on NBC Nightly News. :rolleyes:

I thought it was from Al Sharpton on MSNBC

[Clocker]

I thought it was from Al Sharpton on MSNBC

They had to drop cable in the White House because of the Republican sequester.

[Clocker]

It appears that the administration is making the problem go away with as little public disclosure as possible. Buried deep in a story in the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/04/us/amid-influx-of-migrants-obama-to-skip-border-visit-on-texas-trip.html):

Federal officials in South Texas have told lawmakers that more than 85 percent of the unaccompanied minors from Central America have been released to close relatives living in this country, including about half released to at least one parent. Many youths reported they were fleeing criminal violence by increasingly aggressive street gangs in their home countries.

[Clocker]

It appears that Central America is sending us more than just a few unaccompanied children. Note that the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/04/us/influx-of-central-american-migrants-roils-murrieta-calif.html?smid=tw-share#) is very politically correct in referring to them as migrants, not illegals.

As federal officials have begun to send the expected 240,000 migrants and 52,000 unaccompanied minors who have crossed the border illegally in recent months in the Rio Grande Valley to cities around the county, Murrieta so far is the only place that has managed to turn them away.

[OntheRail]

.25 mil that we know of due to the Federal Lib's catch and release program. But what is the real number of illegals that has crossed due to Obama's Dream Act end run... half... three quarters of a mil? They claim to be fleeing gang violence ( I'm sure they've been schooled in what to say or given leading questions by bleeding hearts. ) Where will we be in a few more year when they go into the family business Stateside cause they can't find work. We have a ton of illegal gang bangers incarcerated in Federal and State.

This will only bring more when they call home on their new Obama-Phones and tell others how the Dim Gringos cut them loose with a promise to come back to court. After the laughter stops... they'll tell em' about the Walmart Gift Cards and free ETB food cards and housing.

Well there's your fundamental change Obama talk about... if you can't build it stronger... break in down.

[Tom]

Those handing out the "gifts" should be arrested for aiding criminal activity.
Oh, wait, I forgot, we are not a nation of laws anymore.

We are now a nation of whatever the hell the idiot in charge feels like doing.

Sad to watch the history of a great nation yesterday and then wake up to in the New Amerika.....the 4th rate version of what we once were and going downhill under the weight of liberal policies that have never succeeded and never will.

Idiot here celebrate the influx of those who have already proven they cannot build a country worth living in. Come on in, destroy ours as well!

[Clocker]

.25 mil that we know of due to the Federal Lib's catch and release program.

That's the number that have been caught in the last 3 months. And the border has been wide open of late because most of the Border Patrol has been baby sitting.

[OntheRail]

That's the number that have been caught in the last 3 months. And the border has been wide open of late because most of the Border Patrol has been baby sitting.
Exactly my point... all because the POS POTUS did a nod and wink followed by an outright ass wipe on the Oath of Office and Constitution.

[Clocker]

Exactly my point... all because the POS POTUS did a nod and wink followed by an outright ass wipe on the Oath of Office and Constitution.

Not to worry. All of them have been released with orders to report back at a future date for a hearing to determine their legal status.

What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:

[Tom]

Did he give them all a gun to take home with them.
You know, parting gifts.

[Tom]

Exactly my point... all because the POS POTUS did a nod and wink followed by an outright ass wipe on the Oath of Office and Constitution.
Hmmmmm, POSOTUS! Monkey like.

[Clocker]

Obama's immigration policies continue to draw more and more illegals into the country. The LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-deport-children-20140706-story.html#page=1) reports that deportation of under-aged illegals has been steadily dropping under Obama.

President Obama and his aides have repeatedly sought to dispel the rumors driving thousands of children and teens from Central America to cross the U.S. border each month with the expectation they will be given a permiso and allowed to stay. But under the Obama administration, those reports have proved increasingly true.

The number of immigrants under 18 who were deported or turned away at ports of entry fell from 8,143 in 2008, the last year of the George W. Bush administration, to 1,669 last year, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement data released under a Freedom of Information Act request.

Similarly, about 600 minors were ordered deported each year from nonborder states a decade ago. Ninety-five were deported last year, records show, even as a flood of unaccompanied minors from Central America — five times more than two years earlier — began pouring across the Southwest border.

[Clocker]

The definitive, unambiguous, final word (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/say-it-aint-so-jeh.php) from the administration on how the unaccompanied under-aged illegals will be treated. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson appeared on Meet the Press.

Gregory asks: “I know there’s a process they have to go through. Will most of these children that we have seen in this desperate situation stay in America, or will they be returned to their homes in Central America?”

Johnson responds: “There’s a deportation proceeding that is commenced against illegal migrants, including children. We are looking at ways to create additional options for dealing with the children, in particular consistent with our laws and our values.”

Gregory tries again: “I’m trying to get an answer to will most of them end up staying, in your judgment?”

Johnson responds: “I think we need to find more efficient, effective ways to turn this tide around generally and we’ve already begun to do that.”

[tucker6]

That answer stinks to high heaven and I'm used to that from this administration. How anyone left or right can be proud of what Obama has created is baffling. At some point you need to be an American first, and not a lefty or righty.

[Tom]

This administration is so transparent - you can easily tell every one of them is lying through their teeth.

[TJDave]

What if these governments refuse to take them back?

[tucker6]

What if these governments refuse to take them back?
threaten to cut off their foreign aid. Obama won't do it, but that would solve the problem.

[TJDave]

threaten to cut off their foreign aid. Obama won't do it, but that would solve the problem.

Could he do that? I understand there is a bill in congress to do exactly that.

[Tom]

What if these governments refuse to take them back?

Shock ans awe.
We take all their assest and invade them to get more if need be.
We declare them to have WMDs and have at it.

[fast4522]

They are making noise again.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/07/02/232163/time-to-impeach-obama.html?sp=/99/104/244/106/

[tucker6]

Can Obama give amnesty to illegals as he leaves office? Is that a legal action under the pardon protocols?

[Tom]

I think it has to be given personally to each person, not en mass.

[Robert Goren]

I think it has to be given personally to each person, not en mass.I believe you are correct on this.

[DJofSD]

no problemo: Jose I, Jose II, Jose III, Maria I, Maria II, etc.

Of course, this is after the feds have given them a SSN and registered them to vote. ATM, an Obama phone is not yet available -- maybe by Christmas.

[TJDave]

Can Obama give amnesty to illegals as he leaves office? Is that a legal action under the pardon protocols?

No. Being in this country illegally is not a criminal act, it's a civil offence. The president has the power of selective enforcement through executive order but only while he holds office.

[Robert Goren]

threaten to cut off their foreign aid. Obama won't do it, but that would solve the problem. No it wouldn't. a list of countries and how much they receive in Millions
Nicaragua $700
Panama $110
Honduras $625
Guatemala $390
El Salvador $280
Costa Rica $38
Belize $28
Total ~ 2.1 billion
Not as nearly much as one would think. Now if we shut off Americans and Americans from using those countries as tax shelters, that might actually hurt them. Taking away the bribes from the government officials that Americans pay might give actually them pause. But then congress would never do that, would they?

[Tom]

Congress will never do anything that doesn't fill their own pockets.
WE are not relevant. We are at best an annoyance.
I flush more integrity down the toilet everyday than Congress has ever had.

[JustRalph]

No. Being in this country illegally is not a criminal act, it's a civil offence. The president has the power of selective enforcement through executive order but only while he holds office.


Selective enforcement via exec order is a made up concept. It's the nature and crux of Boehner's lawsuit threat

[TJDave]

Selective enforcement via exec order is a made up concept. It's the nature and crux of Boehner's lawsuit threat

Then I'd suggest Boehner go for it and have the courts decide whether it's made up...or not.

Something tells me he really would rather not. ;)

[Clocker]

The most open and transparent administration in the history of the world is going to allow full disclosure (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/382114/hhs-will-muzzle-media-during-tour-immigrant-child-housing-joel-gehrke?) about the immigration problem.

Health and Human Services officials will allow reporters to visit a military facility housing some of the immigrant children who have arrived at the southern border in recent weeks, but only if the media promises not to record anything, not to ask any questions during the tour, and not to talk to any of the staff members or children.

[TJDave]

Understandable.

Kids say the darndest things. ;)

[Robert Goren]

Like the media will keep that promise.

[reckless]

About the only 'good' thing that will arise from this terrorist invasion -- and it is a terrorist invasion because who else places innocent children in harms way but anti-American terrorists and left wing Democrat Party politicians -- will be the end of any future Presidential aspirations of Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and Chris Christie.

[Tom]

Like the media will keep that promise.
No real reporter would.
There job is to report, not keep quiet.
Too bad most are more concerned with covering Obama than doing their jobs.
Except FOX, Fair and Balanced.

[Clocker]

Leadership in action, progressive style. There is no problem that can't be solved with a lot more money.

President Barack Obama asked Congress (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-07-08/obama-asks-congress-for-3-dot-7-billion-to-contain-border) for an emergency $3.7 billion to contain the surge of illegal Central American immigrants, many of them unaccompanied children, crossing into the U.S. from Mexico.

The money would increase detainment and court capacity to speed decisions, while expanding law enforcement and prosecution of the criminal networks that smuggle people over the border. The administration would also improve the temporary housing and care for immigrants while their cases are judged.



Almost half of the $3.7 billion for the immigration effort -- $1.8 billion -- would go to the Department of Health and Human Services to provide care for unaccompanied children and refugees already here, a provision likely to draw controversy from congressional Republicans who argue the president has not been aggressive enough about border security or deportations.



Obama wants $1.8 billion for baby sitters. :rolleyes:

[LottaKash]

Oh, wait, I forgot, we are not a nation of laws anymore.

We are now a nation of whatever the hell the idiot in charge feels like doing.

Sad to watch the history of a great nation yesterday and then wake up to in the New Amerika.....

One has only to remind themselves, of who BO is and was, and who he has been surrounded by, and he has associated with "All his Life" in order to fully comprehend what is unfolding before our very eyes....

We are surely getting there...It is quite evident where we are headed once you piece all the little things together.... It is not going to get any easier or prettier from now on, either, imo...

[Robert Goren]

Obama is enforcing the law. The law signed by Reagan. There hasn't been an immigration law passed since. The republicans could change law the law if they wanted, but for all their talk, they seem quite satisfied with the law the way it is.

[Clocker]

Obama is enforcing the law. The law signed by Reagan. There hasn't been an immigration law passed since.

But there has been executive action signed since by Obama, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy. That is a major cause of the influx. DACA is causing the problem, the existing immigration law is making it worse. Obama has been talking about asking Congress to change that law, but he would have to actually stay in Washington and talk to members of Congress to do that.

[Tom]

Don't kid yourself, Bobby.
Obama planned this - this is rolling out exactly as he wants it to.
This was know for at least 18 months ahead of it starting by Border Patrol.

Obama, a liar (proven), a serial mass murderer (proven) now a child abuser.
The POSOTUS is a child abuser.

He should not be allowed within 100 yards of any school.

[Clocker]

Obama has been getting a lot of flack about his trip to Texas this week, where he will attend 3 Democratic fund raisers, but had no plans to meet with Governor Rick Perry or to do anything to learn more about the border crisis.

In search of some good press, the White House invited Perry to meet Air Force One for a photo op, welcoming the president to Texas. Perry told them to go pound sand.

Republican Texas Gov. Rick Perry (http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/08/rick-perry-admirably-refuses-to-shake-obamas-hand-at-airport/)refused to greet President Barack Obama at a tarmac photo-op this week, and instead challenged Obama to hold a “substantive meeting” with him to discuss the illegal immigration crisis currently engulfing states along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The White House requested that Perry meet Obama on the tarmac Wednesday as he gets off Air Force One on his way to Democratic fundraisers in Texas, which could have created another tableau like the “Chris Christie hug” during Superstorm Sandy, which helped Obama in the 2012 election. But Perry wasn’t having it.

“I appreciate the offer to greet you at Austin-Bergstrom Airport, but a quick handshake on the tarmac will not allow for a thoughtful discussion regarding the humanitarian and national security crises enveloping the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas,” Perry wrote to Obama in a letter Monday. “I would instead offer to meet with you at any time during your visit to Texas for a substantive meeting to discuss this critical issue.”



Perry may not be the most polished jewel in the case, but I'd take his common sense over Obama's soaring rhetoric anyday.

[sam4022]

In addition to my concern re: potential illnesses which I stated earlier.....I'm an independent voter who has voted more often Democratic than Republican. However, should a weapon, say a dirty bomb, explode after crossing our Southern border it will be a long, long time before I again vote Democratic. Close it NOW!

[Clocker]

There are some smaller little time bombs (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/07/08/exclusive-unaccompanied-minors-admit-to-being-ms13-gang-members-engaging-in-torture-and-murder-n1859822) coming across the border.

Despite Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson vowing to "stem the tide" of unaccompanied illegal minors across the southern border with Mexico, thousands more are expected to enter the United States by the end of the year. With the system being overwhelmed, Border Patrol agents are concerned about minors who have admitted to being MS-13 members, a brutal street gang from El Salvador that has been successful in infiltrating American communities. Agents are also concerned about minors who have committed acts like torture and murder in their home countries before heading north to the United States.

"We have six minors in Nogales who have admitted to killing and doing grievous bodily injuries. One admitted to killing as young as eight years old," an agent tells Townhall anonymously for fear of losing his job for speaking out. "They are being held for placement in the U.S."



Because they are under-aged unaccompanied minors, the Administration is treating the gang members the same as any children.

[JustRalph]

In addition to my concern re: potential illnesses which I stated earlier.....I'm an independent voter who has voted more often Democratic than Republican. However, should a weapon, say a dirty bomb, explode after crossing our Southern border it will be a long, long time before I again vote Democratic. Close it NOW!

How do you feel about your vote being marginalized in the future? It won't matter how you vote in five or ten years. These kids will be Dem voters across the board. Your vote won't matter in the future. That makes your opinion above moot anyway.

[LottaKash]

[QUOTE=Tom].
Obama planned this - this is rolling out exactly as he wants it to.
This was know for at least 18 months ahead of it starting by Border Patrol.

/QUOTE]

Yeah, now it is a "CRISIS"...

What a scam...

[sam4022]

How do you feel about your vote being marginalized in the future? It won't matter how you vote in five or ten years. These kids will be Dem voters across the board. Your vote won't matter in the future. That makes your opinion above moot anyway.

As Winston Churchill said:

"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law."

and

"The Americans will always do the right thing ... after they've exhausted all the alternatives."

[Tom]

The message being sent back is - none of them is coming back, so keep sending them. Obama is sending that message.

[Clocker]

Sally Kohn has long been challenging Nancy Pelosi for the honorary title of Queen of the Moonbats. Sally made up a lot of ground recently, and is closing quickly. According to Kohn, there is no border crisis.

Kohn on CNN: (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/09/sally-kohn-this-is-not-a-border-crisis/)

In an appearance on CNN addressing the crisis at the southern border, CNN contributor and The Daily Beast columnist was asked about the “optics” of the president failing to go to the border to see the situation with his own eyes. While Kohn said that she would go to the border in between Democratic fundraisers if she were the president, but simultaneously suggested that to demand he do so – an increasingly frequent phenomenon on the left – represents a double standard.

That was not, however, the oddest of odd moments which occurred in this short segment. Seconds later, Kohn insisted that the border crisis was not a border crisis at all. In fact, she seemed to believe that it could be more accurately labeled a bureaucratic crisis.

“This is not a border crisis,” Kohn said. “These kids are coming to the border, they’re getting stopped, the border’s working.”

“Republicans are trying to turn this into a narrative of ‘Oh, the border isn’t working,” she continued.

“They’re not slipping through holes on the border,” Kohn concluded. “It’s just not happening.”




Then perhaps Obama should go to the border and prove that this is just another phony scandal ginned up by the GOP.

[Tom]

Obama refused to visit the border while he is in Texas.
Could he be worried House Republicans have the REAL birth certificate and are just trying to lure him close enough to "push" him out and be done with it?

Or maybe he just doesn't want a photo-op of the crisis he created.

Why is anyone expecting leadership from this lemon?
He has never shown any before......why would he now?
He even tried to blame BUSH again!

[tucker6]

Obama refused to visit the border while he is in Texas.

Leadership in-action

[Clocker]

Leadership in-action

He is just doing his job. Fund raising.

[DJofSD]

Leadership in-action
Ya, well, if you're waiting for an "I have a dream" or "Selma march" moment, you'd better stock up -- it's going to be a long wait.

[tucker6]

He is just doing his job. Fund raising.
As Harry would say, "a man's gotta know his limitations".

[JustRalph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbEs4B5RKFA

The knives from his own side are coming out.....a year or more ahead of my prediction....... :lol:

NbEs4B5RKFA

Chuck Todd.......... whammy........

G3iMN6eY3uU

[tucker6]

Thank God we're running a budget surplus so these unnecessary costs will easily be absorbed by our economy and infrastructure.

[davew]

'at the end of the day, most of these children will be sent back to where they came from'

I am curious when the end of the day is? and it will be before these children have their own children born in the USA.

[Clocker]

Congressman Henry Cuellar (D, TX) has been critical of Obama's lack of action on the border crisis, especially his continued refusal to visit the border during a fundraising trip to Texas.

Cuellar said on Fox News (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/382286/dem-rep-cuellar-wh-called-me-speaking-out-against-president-andrew-johnson) today that he got a call from "the White House" telling him to knock it off.

[ArlJim78]

Pelosi says our border is more secure than it ever has been. So how is it that thousands upon thousands of women and children are able to easily walk right in? no border=no country.

[Clocker]

Obama is holding a press conference after a meeting with Rick Perry about the border crisis. He essentially said that he can't do anything until Congress passes the "supplemental", the $3.7 billion that he has asked for. He said that he asked Perry to get the "Texas Delegation" (members of Congress from Texas, especially in the House) to take the lead in getting the request passed through Congress.

He is going to need more than that to get his supplemental. Most of that money is for baby-sitting the kids. The Republicans, including Boehner, are saying that the first issue is to stop more of them from coming, and that Obama already has enough funding for that.

So Obama passes the buck to Perry, who is supposed to pass it to the Texas Delegation, who are supposed to do his job of leadership in getting his legislation passed. Mean while, he is off to another fund raiser in Texas.

[ArlJim78]

What happened to Mr "I've got a phone and a pen so I won't wait for congress to act"?

[reckless]

For months and even years prior to this recent invasion, whenever the subject of illegal aliens and immigration came up for discussion the smart-ass left wing know-it-alls would often say:

'And what are you gonna do with the 14 million illegals already here, round them on a bus and deport them?'

Well, well... how interesting that snarky remark sounds today as these invaders make their way across American, brought here via buses to a town near you.

[Clocker]

What happened to Mr "I've got a phone and a pen so I won't wait for congress to act"?

That pen doesn't allow him to sign checks drawn on other peoples money. About half of that $3.9 billion is for food and housing and care for the illegals.

Two big things he can do that won't cost any more money are better security on the border and show some leadership in getting Congress to change the law on deportations, to allow us to deal quickly with those from Central America in the same way that we can now deal with those from Mexico.

[ArlJim78]

That pen doesn't allow him to sign checks drawn on other peoples money. About half of that $3.9 billion is for food and housing and care for the illegals.

Two big things he can do that won't cost any more money are better security on the border and show some leadership in getting Congress to change the law on deportations, to allow us to deal quickly with those from Central America in the same way that we can now deal with those from Mexico.
There would be ways to fund it if he wanted, through existing agencies. There is no way they need nearly $4 billion either. government is useless.

[Clocker]

There would be ways to fund it if he wanted, through existing agencies.

He could if he wanted to, but that would mean taking money away from other programs. No way he is going to do that. That's his money, and he is entitled to it.

[davew]

maybe some of the money he has been getting for the DNC with his $30K dinners could be used for this - seems fair since he travels the country and everyone pays.

[Tom]

Obama is holding a press conference after a meeting with Rick Perry about the border crisis. He essentially said that he can't do anything until Congress passes the "supplemental", the $3.7 billion that he has asked for. He said that he asked Perry to get the "Texas Delegation" (members of Congress from Texas, especially in the House) to take the lead in getting the request passed through Congress.

This is what it has been about all along - a manufactured crisis. Remember, never let a good crisis go to waste?

Obama orchestrated this flux of children almost tow years ago, and he continues to invite it. It all for his political agenda, nothing else. He can say anything he wants, the real message going south is COME HERE - NO ONE IS BEING SENT BACK.

[Clocker]

Obama orchestrated this flux of children almost tow years ago, and he continues to invite it. It all for his political agenda, nothing else. He can say anything he wants, the real message going south is COME HERE - NO ONE IS BEING SENT BACK.

I have not hear a word from the left even trying to make the case that the president's DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) order had nothing to do with this problem. Illegal border crossings, including unaccompanied minors trended downward for several year until 2012. Obama signed DACA in 2012 and illegals skyrocketed. Coincidence?

PS Crime and violence in Central America showed no increase over this period.

[JustRalph]

Dallas county commissioner on radio tonight says instead of 2k up to 40k are coming to Dallas. Overflow going to Ft. Sill Oklahoma

This is going to be a mess

[JustRalph]

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/9/illegal-immigrants-showing-border-yes-we-can-obama/

[cj's dad]

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[DJofSD]

Mission creep. (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/pelosi-wants-unaccompanied-mexican-children-treated-same-noncontiguous)

(CNSNews.com) - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says she'd prefer to see unaccompanied Mexican children given the same treatment as Central American children, instead of the other way around.

Currently, DACA is being used as the rational behind the humanitarian efforts, but, it applies to those UAC from countries other than Mexico (and Canada).

But like all good liberals, the letter of the law can be ignored when it makes you fell good doing so. Just ask Lois Lerner.

[Clocker]

(CNSNews.com) - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says she'd prefer to see unaccompanied Mexican children given the same treatment as Central American children, instead of the other way around.

Pelosi and Reid have totally lost touch with reality. They have a large part to do with the public disapproval of Congress.

Pelosi visited the border recently (http://www.businessinsider.com/nancy-pelosi-addresses-crisis-at-the-mexican-border-2014-6#ixzz35xsAJxVo), and said that the US and Mexico are a single community that happens to have a border running through it. Kind of like Israel and Gaza, I guess. She said that we don't have a crisis at the border, we have an opportunity.

"This is a community with a border going through it. And this crisis — that some call a 'crisis' — we have to view as an opportunity," Pelosi told reporters at a press conference.

Pelosi stressed the children involved are worthy of basic human respect as they are being moved "as quickly as possible into another setting."

"What we just saw was so stunning. If you believe as we do that every child, that every person, has a spark of divinity in them and is therefore worthy of respect, what we saw in those rooms was [a] dazzling, sparkling array of God's children, worthy of respect. So ... we have to use the crisis — that some view as a crisis, and it does have crisis qualities — as an opportunity to show who we are as Americans, that we do respect people for their divinity and worth," she said.




As someone who is publicly at war with her Church regarding birth control and abortion, she is the last one in the world that should be talking about "God's children".

[DJofSD]

As someone who is publicly at war with her Church regarding birth control and abortion, she is the last one in the world that should be talking about "God's children".

Exactly.

Reminds me of Lorenzo in Goya's Ghost (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455957/?ref_=nv_sr_1) and how as a messenger of God, he takes care of one of God's children, Inés / Alicia.

[Clocker]

Is anyone in this administration competent or sane? Illegals released at the border are being allowed to board commercial flights without ID.

The illegals, generally without ID, are being given a "Notice to Appear" at some future date, and then released into our country. The TSA is accepting such Notices as valid ID and allowing otherwise undocumented illegals onto commercial airlines.

From a spokesman for the Border Patrol union:

“This is not the CBP [Customs and Border Protection] or another federal agency renting or leasing an aircraft, these are the same planes that the American public uses for domestic travel,” said Garza. “This just adds insult to injury. Not only are we releasing unknown illegal aliens onto American streets, but we are allowing them to travel commercially using paperwork that could easily be reproduced or manipulated on any home computer. The Notice to Appear form has no photo, anyone can make one and manipulate one. They do not have any security features, no watermark, nothing. They are simply printed on standard copy paper based on the information the illegal alien says is the truth.”

Spokesman Garza continued, “We do not know who these people are, we often have to solely rely on who they say they are, where they say they came from, and the history they say they have. We know nothing about most of them, ICE releases them into the American public, and now they are boarding aircraft at will with a simple paper document that anyone can easily alter or reproduce themselves.”



Story here. (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/07/11/Exclusive-TSA-Allowing-Illegals-to-Fly-Without-Verifiable-ID-Says-Border-Patrol-Union)

[TJDave]

Illegals released at the border are being allowed to board commercial flights without ID.

They have to sit in the back, right?

[BlueShoe]

Sheriff Joe on Cavuto a few minutes ago. Blunt, cranky, and right to the point, Arpaio got it right as to solutions, the highlight of which was an economic boycott and cutting off all foreign aid.

[Greyfox]

Donald Trump

"This influx is killing the country...it's killing the country."

"We are so incompetently run as a country it's incredible."

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[Clocker]

The administration is relocating hundreds of illegal minors to the midwest without telling state or local officials, and is not answering questions, even from state governors. Known sites include Chicago and Nebraska.

Story here. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/13/nebraska-governor-illinois-senator-say-white-house-secretly-sending-illegal/)

[Tom]

This can turn into a huge health crisis.
Typhoid Obama infects the heartland.

[Clocker]

This can turn into a huge health crisis.
Typhoid Obama infects the heartland.

No problem. All those kids will be signed up for ObamaCare, and the administration will brag about the increase in enrollments.

[Tom]

Here is a question for the UN and those idiots who suppoort it.
What knind of a Hell hole exists inCentral america that has that many people fleeing?

Is it not time to conside a workd invasion CA and a compltete take-over, including the over-thrown of every government that is there today?

Wouldn't that be cheaper in th elong rung - go fix the problem where it exists?

Oh, wait, the UN is worthless.
Sorry, my bad......imaging, thinking the UN would do ANYTHING.

[fast4522]

Sometimes Tom's posts are good for a second read for a good idea. Central america is the perfect place to relocate the United Nations to after kicking them out of the US.

[DJofSD]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/report-small-lifeless-dead-children-found-washed-up-along-riverbank-of-rio-grande/

[JustRalph]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/report-small-lifeless-dead-children-found-washed-up-along-riverbank-of-rio-grande/

The guy that wrote that headline needs to be deported

[JustRalph]

Children?

[DJofSD]

Yolo County Officials Perplexed By Unusual Spike In Whooping Cough Cases (http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/07/14/yolo-county-officials-perplexed-by-unusual-spike-in-whooping-cough-cases/)

[BlueShoe]

Children?
Newly enroled Democratic Party voters in just a very short time.

[woodtoo]

If I had a son,.....

[Tom]

... you would hear high coughing in the dark, at night, as he sneaks into the neighbor's yard.

[DJofSD]

There's POTUS and CIC.

Now add CCOTUS - Chief Coyote of the United States.

[Tom]

Dingy Harry says the border is secured! *whew*
We just need 3-4 billion to take care the tens of thousands who are crossing it illegally.

Do brains dry up?

[Clocker]

The Obama administration has awarded a $50 million contract to a charitable group to buy a Texas resort hotel and transform it in to a 600 bed facility for juvenile illegal aliens. Check out the facilities. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/feds-to-open-50-million-resort-hotel-for-illegal-children-complete-with-tennis-courts-sauna-pools/)

[Clocker]

The Dems in Congress had a little love fest on Twitter (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/15/House-Dems-Push-Amnesty-on-Twitter-America-s-Doors-Are-Open). Sounds like a real Kumbaya moment.

As thousands of illegal immigrant children are crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, House Democrats pushed for more amnesty, guest-worker visas, $3.7 billion in funding, and more lawyers for illegal immigrant children during a Tuesday Twitter town hall on immigration.

Their message to illegal immigrants was, in the words of Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), "our doors are open."

"We are all connected. We can't just build a wall or a fence and say no more," Lewis said. "This is America. Our doors are open."



House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) claimed America already has "extensive border security" while Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, said the well-being of the illegal immigrant children "must be our first priority."

[tucker6]

The Obama administration has awarded a $50 million contract to a charitable group to buy a Texas resort hotel and transform it in to a 600 bed facility for juvenile illegal aliens. Check out the facilities. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/feds-to-open-50-million-resort-hotel-for-illegal-children-complete-with-tennis-courts-sauna-pools/)
That'll discourage those illegals from coming here. :rolleyes:

[Tom]

Dems on Twitter - Twits.

[Tom]

That'll discourage those illegals from coming here. :rolleyes:

How about we trade - we take 25 kids for every congressman or senator they take from us?

Hell, make it 250!

Win/Win.

[Clocker]

That'll discourage those illegals from coming here. :rolleyes:

How many out of work or homeless citizens will claim to be illegal to get in there? :eek:

[Clocker]

How about we trade - we take 25 kids for every congressman or senator they take from us?



We should take them all if they would take Reid and Pelosi.

[tucker6]

How about we trade - we take 25 kids for every congressman or senator they take from us?

Hell, make it 250!

Win/Win.
Think big Tom. That's not enough bureaucrats.

[tucker6]

We should take them all if they would take Reid and Pelosi.
Do you really think those countries would go for it? You're kind of insulting their intelligence. :D

[Clocker]

The Obama administration has awarded a $50 million contract to a charitable group to buy a Texas resort hotel and transform it in to a 600 bed facility for juvenile illegal aliens. Check out the facilities. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/feds-to-open-50-million-resort-hotel-for-illegal-children-complete-with-tennis-courts-sauna-pools/)

The news hit the media and the charitable group hit the road. They said it was too much bad PR and backed out of the deal.

[Clocker]

The administration is relocating hundreds of illegal minors to the midwest without telling state or local officials, and is not answering questions, even from state governors. Known sites include Chicago and Nebraska.

Story here. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/13/nebraska-governor-illinois-senator-say-white-house-secretly-sending-illegal/)

Follow up.

The White House (http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/16/white-house-migrants-privacy-trump-americans-right-to-know-video/) says that state and local officials are not being informed of illegals being located in their jurisdiction because to do so would violate the illegals' right to privacy.

The White House won’t reveal where it is housing thousands of Central American juvenile migrants because their privacy rights trump Americans’ right to know what‘s happening in their neighborhoods, press secretary Josh Earnest declared July 16.

“The public does have a right to know what’s happening… [but] at the same time, there are privacy rights that are included in the law that this administration is committed to enforcing and following,” Earnest told Ed Henry, Fox News’ White House correspondent.

[tucker6]

Follow up.

The White House (http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/16/white-house-migrants-privacy-trump-americans-right-to-know-video/) says that state and local officials are not being informed of illegals being located in their jurisdiction because to do so would violate the illegals' right to privacy.
that's just, well that's just leaving me speechless ...

I live in a world where I have no rights against the NSA, but an illegals whereabouts are a state secret. Is that what I'm reading?

[Tom]

Obama is our enemy.
Make no mistake about it.
He is a terrorist.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Follow up.

The White House (http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/16/white-house-migrants-privacy-trump-americans-right-to-know-video/) says that state and local officials are not being informed of illegals being located in their jurisdiction because to do so would violate the illegals' right to privacy.

Any shot this has to do with guys like Babeu orchestrating demonstrations in anticipation of their arrival?

Not that there is anything wrong with demonstrating or orchestrating a demonstration, but I'm thinking the motive isn't protecting their privacy like we intuitively think and react to, but to keep a bunch of kids (errr, sort of young people) from being screamed at.

I'm not sure how I feel about it, but without some context it sort reads like they're shipping them off covertly to 2014 midterm swing states with a ballot or something. :D

[Tom]

Exactly John.

Now you know why the dems are so dead set against having to show ID to vote.

[Clocker]

Any shot this has to do with guys like Babeu orchestrating demonstrations in anticipation of their arrival?

They are trying to avoid public demonstrations by citizens, but they are also trying to avoid public confrontations with local authorities. The Gov. of Maryland, a Dem, apparently told the administration that he didn't want any in his state.

Connecticut, a very liberal state, has rejected federal requests to house illegals there. The Gov. of Nebraska, a Republican, was very upset to learn that illegals had been sent there without his knowledge. And on and on.

So everybody, especially liberals, is all warm and fuzzy about helping the children, as long as it is NIMBY, Not In My Back Yard.

[davew]

The country should be concerned about bacteria, virus and parasite infections americans may have never been exposed to before- similar to the outbreaks the native americans got when imperialists from Europe came visiting.


Anyway Reid said today the border is secure - they should send all the little guys to Las Vegas - and help fill hotel rooms.

[rastajenk]

Or keep them clean.

[Clocker]

Many under-aged illegals are being moved from holding facilities on the border to other states without medical screening. And close contact in holding facilities and on airplanes is spreading the diseases to the other children. From ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/07/exclusive-feds-struggling-to-cope-with-medical-breakdown-at-the-border/):

The federal government is so overwhelmed by the current tide of migrants crossing the border it can’t provide basic medical screening to all of the children before transporting them – often by air – to longer-term holding facilities across the country, ABC News has learned.

The director of refugee health in the federal Health and Human Services Department “has identified a breakdown of the medical screening processes at the Nogales, Arizona, facility,” according to an internal Department of Defense memo reviewed by ABC News. The “breakdown” a systemic failure of the handoff of these children between CBP and HHS.

Inside the government, officials are sounding alarms, fearing that they and their teams who come in contact with the sick children face potential exposure to infectious diseases from chicken pox to influenza, including rare cases of H1N1, more commonly called swine flu.

[Clocker]

This issue is really hurting the Democrats, so naturally the Democratic leadership response is to try to make it worse.

One of the problems is that it is a lot harder under current law to return illegals from Central America than those from Mexico. Nancy Pelosi (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/17/Nancy-Pelosi-Changes-Mind-Wants-Deportation-Process-Decelerated-Even-for-Illegals-from-Mexico) says that the solution is to make everything fair by changing the law to make it equally hard to deport children from Mexico.

Obama assured the Congressional Hispanic Caucus that he will deal with the problem by reducing deportations from current levels.

President Obama reassured members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/07/17/obama_said_to_assure_hispanic_caucus_on_deportatio ns_123342.html)Wednesday that he will flex his executive muscle later this year to be "as great and big and bold as he can be" to reduce deportations of undocumented immigrant families who have lived and worked in the United States for years, one Democratic lawmaker said at the conclusion of the meeting.

Obama tasked White House Counsel W. Neil Eggleston and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to meet this week with caucus members to continue examining powers the president can use to keep undocumented families together, Rep. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois told reporters.

[tucker6]

The Democrats spend an awfully large amount of time and resources focusing on the question of illegals. Thank God the other issues we face are of minor consequence.

[Clocker]

The Democrats spend an awfully large amount of time and resources focusing on the question of illegals. Thank God the other issues we face are of minor consequence.

Think about how screwed up the country would be today if Obama was an effective leader and actually did something about those other issues.

[tucker6]

Think about how screwed up the country would be today if Obama was an effective leader and actually did something about those other issues.
good point. Let's keep our focus on illegals people. :D

[JustRalph]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/17/gov-rick-perry-says-texas-may-soon-take-steps-to-secure-the-border-with-or-without-the-federal-governments-help/

Lots of talk about a whole new strategy of closing the border here in Texas

Perry says Texas might do it. Rumors abound

[TJDave]

Apart from the National Guard, Texas has its own Army, Navy and Air Force.

As they say, It's a whole nuther country.

[DJofSD]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-aides-were-warned-of-brewing-border-crisis/2014/07/19/8b5d2282-0d1b-11e4-b8e5-d0de80767fc2_story.html

The researchers’ observations were among the warning signs conveyed to the Obama administration over the past two years as a surge of Central American minors has crossed into south Texas illegally. More than 57,000 have entered the United States this year, swamping federal resources and catching the government unprepared.

The administration did too little to heed those warnings, according to interviews with former government officials, outside experts and immigrant advocates, leading to an inadequate response that contributed to this summer’s escalating crisis.

“I don’t think they ignored this on purpose, but they didn’t know what to do,” said Michelle Brané, director of migrant rights at the Women’s Refugee Commission, which published a 2012 report highlighting the influx of minors. “For whatever reason, there was hesi*ta*tion to address the root causes. I think the administration was dealing with it at a minimal scale, putting a Band-Aid on something they should have been thinking about holistically.”

Just a bunch of incompetents. And we pay tax dollars for this.

[Clocker]

New data (http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/18/white-house-hid-huge-spike-of-families-crossing-border/) released Friday by the Border Patrol shows that the White House has been down-playing a huge spike in "family units" illegally entering the country. The big focus on the children allows the White House to delay action on deportations by blaming the human trafficking law of 2008.

New data shows the White House has painted a false picture of the Central American migration by hiding a huge spike in “family units” who are illegally crossing the Texas border.

The data, which was dumped by the U.S. border patrol late Friday afternoon, shows that inflow of youths and children traveling without parents has doubled since 2013, to 57,525 in the nine months up to July 2014.

But the number of migrants who cross the border in so-called “family units” has spiked five-fold to 55,420, according to the border patrol’s data, which came out amid a storm of news about the shoot-down of a Malaysian aircraft in Ukraine, delays in failed U.S. nuke talks with Iran, and on Hamas’ continued war against Israel.

In the Rio Grande area where most of the migrants are crossing the border, the number of so-called “unaccompanied children” was actually outnumbered by the inflow by adults, parents and children in “family units,” according to the data. The much-faster growth in “family units” has been hidden by White House and agency officials, who have tried to portray the influx as a wave of children fleeing abuse and violence.

[Tom]

Obama ignores the laws that should keep them out and obeys the one that keeps them here.

American un-exceptinalism.
The Terrorist N Chief in action.

[Clocker]

Obama ignores the laws that should keep them out and obeys the one that keeps them here.

American un-exceptinalism.
The Terrorist N Chief in action.

Didn't you get the word from Pelosi? It's all just one big community that happens to have a border across it. It's all about the children, and respecting their rights.

I have seen arguments that the 2008 law either does not apply here, or it can be, and has been in the past, waived as long as there is ample evidence that the children are not victims of sexual trafficking.

[Clocker]

The mantra on the left has been that the children need to have their day in court before being deported. Turns out they don't need to go to court to get to stay here.

Story here. (http://washingtonexaminer.com/report-vast-majority-of-asylum-claims-granted/article/2551007)

[Greyfox]

Obama ignores the laws that should keep them out and obeys the one that keeps them here.

American un-exceptinalism.
The Terrorist N Chief in action.

Really. You're being too influenced by the New Yorker.;)

http://blog.syracuse.com/shelflife/2008/07/nycover.jpg (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=wJG7kPDf0eNbPM&tbnid=Aw7jtn2pNT2pLM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.syracuse.com%2Fshelflife%2F2 008%2F07%2Fis_the_new_yorker_out_of_line.html&ei=TFnMU6ryO-HFigLO4YGABA&bvm=bv.71198958,d.cGE&psig=AFQjCNHmeG0LO4WEoGsxyT_KctNHy1pjhQ&ust=1405987527978418)

[JustRalph]

Two Illegal Aliens Murder Texas Border Patrol Agent in Front of His Family http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/164500-two-illegal-aliens-murder-texas-border-patrol-agent-front-family/

This won't go over well

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm sure the anti-gun crowd will point to this and use it as an example for how dangerous it can be to carry a firearm legally... :rolleyes:

[JustRalph]

I'm sure the anti-gun crowd will point to this and use it as an example for how dangerous it can be to carry a firearm legally... :rolleyes:

The word today is that the killer had been deported 4 times before

[PaceAdvantage]

<crickets>

[JustRalph]

<crickets>

As usual........

It's a damn shame what's happening to the country

When Illegals start getting slaughtered in south Texas.....they'll be screaming like crazy

[DJofSD]

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/08/08/Texas-on-Hook-for-Approx-45-M-to-Educate-Foreign-Minors

HOUSTON, Texas -- As Central American illegal immigrants continue to pour across the U.S.-Mexico border, federal agents are releasing tens of thousands of them onto U.S. soil. Consequently, public schools around the nation must gear up to accommodate undocumented children. In Texas alone, around 4,800 foreign minors have been set free--assuming these minors are not immediately deported, they will be expected to enter the public school system come fall.

"Catch and release."

[JustRalph]

Hello Atlanta

http://eagnews.org/immigrant-children-swarm-atlanta-area-school-registration-center/

Hope and change, for sure

[highnote]

Maybe it is time to send the Statue Of Liberty back to France?

"Inscription on the Statue of Liberty"

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

[DJofSD]

Saw that too.

Maybe they've got room in the schools in St, Louis.

[Clocker]

Maybe it is time to send the Statue Of Liberty back to France?

Where does that inscription say that undocumented illegals from Central America should be able to jump the line and come in ahead of the thousands of legal applicants from all the other countries in the world?

[Tom]

Maybe it is time to send the Statue Of Liberty back to France?

Why do that?
LEGAL immigration has been a great boon to this country for decades and decades. We welcome thaose who come here to better themselves and us at the same time.

ILLEGAL invasion is the problem.

What we need to do is send the Ass Clown Obama back to Kenya. This nation did get to be great under any of the stupid ideas he brought with him.

[highnote]

Where does that inscription say that undocumented illegals from Central America should be able to jump the line and come in ahead of the thousands of legal applicants from all the other countries in the world?


Where does it say they can't?

[Clocker]

Where does it say they can't?

In the laws of the United States. Which, last I heard, trumps statuary inscriptions, no matter how noble.

[Tom]

Almost any other country, they would be shot.
Including almost all on them on hcap's list of great health care places.

Highnote, where does it say they can't camp in your back yard?
Or your living room?

[highnote]

In the laws of the United States. Which, last I heard, trumps statuary inscriptions, no matter how noble.

Sheer volume of people trumps laws because it is impractical to enforce the laws.

[highnote]

Almost any other country, they would be shot.
Including almost all on them on hcap's list of great health care places.

Doubtful. Their numbers are too great. The Berlin Wall was eventually torn down. The Great Wall of China couldn't stop people from crossing it.

Highnote, where does it say they can't camp in your back yard?
Or your living room?

I don't know. Where?

We've seen this before. It was called "white flight" when a lot of Caucasians left the cities and moved into the suburbs. I imagine some of the Caucasians lost money on their properties or even abandoned them.

I was talking to a well-to-do couple from Oklahoma at Saratoga. They own horses that race at Saratoga and were sitting in an owner's box. They said they finally had to sell their ranch because people were regularly breaking into their buildings. They could have tried to defend their property, but that meant risking their lives or killing people. Neither option seemed desirable. So they sold.

I don't know the answer, but laws don't seem to be the answer.

[Clocker]

I don't know the answer, but laws don't seem to be the answer.

Laws seemed to have worked fine up until this particular administration. Why is this administration different? Because it, like your friends from Oklahoma, have chosen not to confront the problem, and to leave it to others to deal with the consequences. A person can do that and avoid the consequences. The people cannot.

[highnote]

Laws seemed to have worked fine up until this particular administration. Why is this administration different? Because it, like your friends from Oklahoma, have chosen not to confront the problem, and to leave it to others to deal with the consequences. A person can do that and avoid the consequences. The people cannot.

People have been trying to immigrate to the U.S. long before Obama was president.

The people in OK are nice people who did not vote for Obama. They were friendly, but I wouldn't call them friends. I only met them once.

They probably did the right thing to sell their ranch. Better to live and fight another day than to lose and never fight again.

[Clocker]

People have been trying to immigrate to the U.S. long before Obama was president.

The point is that tens of thousands of illegals have not been overwhelming the system before Obama. Previous administrations have always dealt with the problem well enough so as to not be a major crisis. As implied in your response, those outside wanting in have not changed. Therefore, the current unprecedented crisis must be because something here has changed.

[Tom]

I don't know the answer, but laws don't seem to be the answer.

Land mines.

[JustRalph]

Maybe it is time to send the Statue Of Liberty back to France?

That's not an official part of the Statue of Liberty.

It's a plaque that was added later and depending who you read, it's not officially sanctioned

[DJofSD]

Doubtful. Their numbers are too great. The Berlin Wall was eventually torn down. The Great Wall of China couldn't stop people from crossing it.



I don't know. Where?

We've seen this before. It was called "white flight" when a lot of Caucasians left the cities and moved into the suburbs. I imagine some of the Caucasians lost money on their properties or even abandoned them.

I was talking to a well-to-do couple from Oklahoma at Saratoga. They own horses that race at Saratoga and were sitting in an owner's box. They said they finally had to sell their ranch because people were regularly breaking into their buildings. They could have tried to defend their property, but that meant risking their lives or killing people. Neither option seemed desirable. So they sold.

I don't know the answer, but laws don't seem to be the answer.

Really? Really? Is this meant to be taken as a serious response?

[highnote]

Therefore, the current unprecedented crisis must be because something here has changed.

Economics? Overpopulation?

Is the U.S. responsible for the economics of other countries?

[TJDave]

That's not an official part of the Statue of Liberty.

It's a plaque that was added later and depending who you read, it's not officially sanctioned


The story:

http://www.vdare.com/articles/immigration-myths-contd-the-statue-of-immigration-or-liberty-inviting-the-world

The Statue was not officially sanctioned. A gift to the American people. It wasn't until the 30's that the government took over its upkeep.

[highnote]

The story:

http://www.vdare.com/articles/immigration-myths-contd-the-statue-of-immigration-or-liberty-inviting-the-world

The Statue was not officially sanctioned. A gift to the American people. It wasn't until the 30's that the government took over its upkeep.


Things only get officially sanctioned when a political body decides it has enough power to enforce its will.

Slavery in the U.S. was officially sanctioned. It was a crime for a Northerner to harbor a runaway slave. If not for criminals slavery might still exist in the U.S.

Ol' Abe Lincoln, like any good politician, gets the credit for stopping slavery, but in reality he was not as anti-slavery as the abolitionists who risked fines and jail time to help slaves.

Runaway slaves coming to the North might very well be considered illegal immigrants today. They certainly weren't officially sanctioned immigrants.

[Tom]

Runaway slaves coming to the North might very well be considered illegal immigrants today. They certainly weren't officially sanctioned immigrants.

Of course we were responsible for them - WE brought them here.
They did not sneak in here.

By the time slavery was ended, it was pretty obvious they had all EARNED citizenship.

[highnote]

Of course we were responsible for them - WE brought them here.
They did not sneak in here.

By the time slavery was ended, it was pretty obvious they had all EARNED citizenship.


Not every Northerner wanted slaves to come north.

There are plenty of U.S. citizens today who help immigrants from South America, England, Ireland, Russia, etc., gain entry (sneak) into the U.S.

[Clocker]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clocker
Therefore, the current unprecedented crisis must be because something here has changed.



Economics? Overpopulation?

Is the U.S. responsible for the economics of other countries?

I said "something here has changed." What has that got to do with the economics of other countries?

It is the policies of this administration that have changed, and that have resulted in an immigration crisis that no other administration has ever experienced.

[highnote]

I said "something here has changed." What has that got to do with the economics of other countries?

It is the policies of this administration that have changed, and that have resulted in an immigration crisis that no other administration has ever experienced.


You wrote, "...the current unprecedented crisis must be because something here has changed."

The bolding is mine and is meant to point out that you are saying the cause of the "immigration crisis" can solely be attributed to something here changing.

I'm saying things here don't have to change in order for people to try to come to the U.S. Plenty of things in their own country could change. Do you really think any parent would send their young child away all alone in hopes of a better life in a foreign country unless things in their own country were desperate?

In general, I don't know that I would call people coming to the U.S. is a crisis. A nuclear reactor melting down in Japan is a crisis.

There may be individual people coming to the U.S. who are in a crisis situation -- like those young children. But an adult coming to the U.S. looking for work does not seem like a crisis.

It's an important distinction.

[Clocker]

In general, I don't know that I would call people coming to the U.S. is a crisis. A nuclear reactor melting down in Japan is a crisis.

There may be individual people coming to the U.S. who are in a crisis situation -- like those young children. But an adult coming to the U.S. looking for work does not seem like a crisis.

It's an important distinction.

Obama says it is a crisis. (http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/07/25/obama-urges-leaders-slow-wave-migrants/YafSt4UyMYII3V1tYNrXJN/story.html)

President Obama urged the presidents of Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador to do everything they can to stem the flow of migrant children toward the United States when he met with them Friday at the White House.

The president called the meeting with Juan Orlando Hernández of Honduras, Otto Pérez Molina of Guatemala, and Salvador Sánchez Cerén of El Salvador to emphasize the importance of striking at the root causes of what he has called a humanitarian crisis on the border between Mexico and the United States.

[highnote]

Obama says it is a crisis. (http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/07/25/obama-urges-leaders-slow-wave-migrants/YafSt4UyMYII3V1tYNrXJN/story.html)


Well there you have it. Obama said it so it must be true.

What I said is that there is a distinction:

Unaccompanied children entering the U.S. is a crisis.

Adults entering the U.S. is not a crisis.

[Clocker]

The current border crisis is not the result of changes in other countries. Economic and legal conditions are the same as they have been for years. The Vice President (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/07/Biden-Admits-Border-Surge-not-Caused-by-Increased-Violence/#) said this recently:

Vice President Joe Biden admitted that increased violence in Central America is not to blame for the surge of unaccompanied minors on the southern border.

On Wednesday, in remarks before a group of activists, Biden said the violence in Central America, is “bad, but nothing’s changed. Nothing’s changed in six months or a year, the neighborhoods are no more violent or less violent.”

And, “Something has happened beyond the fact that there’s utter despair. That despair existed a year ago and 18 months ago.” In particular, Biden blamed “false information” for the influx of illegal immigrants.



And what is that false information? It is the strong belief in Central America that any undocumented children entering the US would be legally allowed to stay, period. And what is that false belief based on? It is based on changes in US immigration policy, particularly Obama's DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) program and on the empirical evidence that deportations were down under this administration.

The surge in immigration was based on the belief that if they got in, they would be give a permit to stay, and on the belief that this policy would end soon. They thought that DACA applied to any child, and that it was permanent. This belief was so strong that it was reported as fact in newspapers in Central America. It was the change in immigration policy here, misinterpreted there, that caused the crisis.

[highnote]

Well, there you have it again ... straight from the VP's mouth... so it must be true.

[Tom]

Obama is luring them here.
Might as well be sitting in his car with a bag of candy outside a schoolyard.
This has been planned and orchestrated for a long time.

[Clocker]

Well, there you have it again ... straight from the VP's mouth... so it must be true.

Yep, must be true if Joe says it. Even though it contradicts Obama's version of reality. So whatever your opinion is, the administration agrees with you.