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Moto Pete
06-01-2014, 06:57 PM
As long as I've been around and as long as I've used BRISNET I never tried the PP Generator. I also haven't read ANY talk about it on message boards. Is it any good? I'm sure there are some here who use it.

Tom
06-01-2014, 07:58 PM
It is very good.
You can make different set ups as you like, I have one that replaces the times with the BRIS pace of winner figures, one that shows third fractions for turf races.....
I think there are more things you can do with it but not sure how.
Would welcome a discussion of how others set it up.

therussmeister
06-01-2014, 07:59 PM
I used it because I was able to print my speed and pace figures in the running line. I no longer make my own figures, but I still use it because it can be customized for my quirky way of handicapping, and I would hate to go back to handicapping without it.

The problem with it is it is legacy software that is no longer updated. This means you cannot add notes for cards you did not purchase using the software, (the programmers put in a Y2.012K bug), but there are workarounds for that problem. Also, I'm not sure it works with the current version of Windows, I'm still running XP.

SandyW
06-01-2014, 07:59 PM
As long as I've been around and as long as I've used BRISNET I never tried the PP Generator. I also haven't read ANY talk about it on message boards. Is it any good? I'm sure there are some here who use it.
Has not been updated in years and will not work with Windows 7 or higher.
Will not work with 64 bit.
I can not understand why a company would let a software program that is this good just die.
Then again CDI owns BRIS and this program has nothing to do with slot machines.

therussmeister
06-01-2014, 08:05 PM
I should add I had a really hard setting it up to print like I wanted it to, but that may be just me. The section where you adjust the print order and spacing either did not work right, or was just too counter-intuitive to me. I spent hours trying to get it to print acceptably. If you don't print, but read off the computer screen, that would be no problem.

therussmeister
06-01-2014, 08:08 PM
Has not been updated in years and will not work with Windows 7 or higher.
Will not work with 64 bit.
I can not understand why a company would let a software program that is this good just die.
Then again CDI owns BRIS and this program has nothing to do with slot machines.
They let it die because the original programmers retired. It should be replaced.

PhantomOnTour
06-01-2014, 08:19 PM
This program is everything to me and I use it daily.
I also insert my own data into the running lines and use the NOTES feature extensively.

It is fantastic and I feel the same way as others in that this thing is basically dead & that's a shame.
I worked them hard to get the latest patch involving the NOTES feature, and they were very nice to find a workaround....but, they also informed me that they would not do anymore updates, patches, workarounds etc on this program.

I am scared to buy a new computer because I fear this program won't work.

SandyW
06-01-2014, 08:50 PM
They let it die because the original programmers retired. It should be replaced.
I don't think that it would take much to update this program, I am sure that CDI has computer programers on staff or if not pay someone to update it.

I think it use to be called customer service !!!

ldiatone
06-01-2014, 08:53 PM
Has not been updated in years and will not work with Windows 7 or higher.
Will not work with 64 bit.
I can not understand why a company would let a software program that is this good just die.
Then again CDI owns BRIS and this program has nothing to do with slot machines.
it works on my Visita. Isnt that w7? also i can print with it also.
obtw if i want to use it, i download a one dollar file through "computrack" software and copy and past into the PP gen.

BIG49010
06-01-2014, 09:03 PM
I have Window 7, but 32bit, and it works fine.

KyRacer
06-01-2014, 09:38 PM
I've also used it for years. Like the ability to customize the pp's. After I take out the scratches, I print to a PDF file and open it with Foxit pdf reader. They look better there than viewing them inside the software. In one customization I removed the times and moved the comments closer to the finish position. I like it better.

I'm running it on a Windows 7 64 bit computer. My install log show that it could not self register the Vb5db.dll file. That maybe the problem for some, but I'm not sure. (Could not Self-Register: C:\Windows\System32\Vb5db.dll) But the program runs on my computer. I have the Vb5db.dll in my System 32 folder.

Added a pic as an attachment. Maybe.

OverlayHunter
06-01-2014, 09:41 PM
I'm confused. I've been using Custom PP Generator Version 2.40 on Windows 7 and Window 8 64 bit laptops with no problem but I only use it to look at and sometimes print the PP's. Is it the more advance features that don't work?

Fingal
06-01-2014, 09:59 PM
It is very good.
You can make different set ups as you like, I have one that replaces the times with the BRIS pace of winner figures, one that shows third fractions for turf races.....
I think there are more things you can do with it but not sure how.
Would welcome a discussion of how others set it up.

It's it on both my desk & laptop computers, & they are Windows 7 64 bit. Had no problems loading the program except re-doing my filter settings from when it was on a Windows XP machine.

I really haven't changed too much in the settings except to create a "4 lines, 4 works " option. Then since I use the non contender feature under the system option on the menu to eliminate horses, I can usually get my 2 to 5 win contenders to print on 1 sheet of paper.

therussmeister
06-02-2014, 12:16 AM
This program is everything to me and I use it daily.
I also insert my own data into the running lines and use the NOTES feature extensively.

It is fantastic and I feel the same way as others in that this thing is basically dead & that's a shame.
I worked them hard to get the latest patch involving the NOTES feature, and they were very nice to find a workaround....but, they also informed me that they would not do anymore updates, patches, workarounds etc on this program.

I am scared to buy a new computer because I fear this program won't work.
I'm scared to not buy a new computer, because I want to keep my two computers with PP generator on it working for as long as possible if it won't work with my new computer. I would use my present machines exclusively to run this program.

Speed Figure
06-02-2014, 01:30 AM
I'm scared to not buy a new computer, because I want to keep my two computers with PP generator on it working for as long as possible if it won't work with my new computer. I would use my present machines exclusively to run this program.

Try putting the program exe on a flash drive! then you can see if it installs on the computer before you buy it to make sure it works.

JimG
06-02-2014, 10:32 AM
In what way is the old PP Generator (32 and 16 bit only) better than the Custom PP Generator (works with current machines)?

Jim

SandyW
06-02-2014, 11:19 AM
It's it on both my desk & laptop computers, & they are Windows 7 64 bit. Had no problems loading the program except re-doing my filter settings from when it was on a Windows XP machine.

I really haven't changed too much in the settings except to create a "4 lines, 4 works " option. Then since I use the non contender feature under the system option on the menu to eliminate horses, I can usually get my 2 to 5 win contenders to print on 1 sheet of paper.


I tried installing Custom PP Generator Version 2.40 on my Windows 7, 64 bit desktop again for the umpteen time and it always gets hung up when the fonts are being installed.

If anybody has a fix for this it would be greatly appreciated as BRIS techs can't help at all, even though they tried.

Capper Al
06-02-2014, 11:20 AM
Wow! Never realized that some much could be done with BRIS PP Generator.

gillenr
06-02-2014, 11:49 PM
Long ago I tried PP gen & liked it. Don't use it anymore, but remember the problems I had with installing were caused by the dreaded phrase "close all open programs before installing". It was the only program I have ever had to do that & so if you're having problems, give it a shot.

Fingal
06-03-2014, 11:57 AM
Looking at these all these download problems makes me try to remember what I did. I right clicked on the download link & saved it in my documents, then I ran it from there to install. And maybe I did the install as administrator, but I forget.

BIG49010
06-05-2014, 08:00 AM
Does anybody work with the files outside of PP Generator, I was able to use Access to look at items I put in there?

OverlayHunter
06-05-2014, 08:40 AM
I think many on this site use the data in a variety of different programs and databases.

DJofSD
06-05-2014, 08:53 AM
I was never able to get it working on my W7 64-bit system.

After reading this thread, I looked at my system for Vb5db.dll. Not found.

I did a little looking on the net and found a few references on one of the Microsoft sites. That DLL appeared as a list item for one of the cab files for installing Windows 98. And while that is interesting, I don't believe it to be relevant to the W7 systems.

Questions for those running W7 64-bit and are able to use Custom PP Generator: (1) what version of Custom PP Generator are using; (2) do you know how vb5db.dll came to be on your system, i.e. what other software have you installed which would have included it?

Continuing, for those with a working PPGen, what is the path where vb5db.dll lives, and, how is it registered in the Windows registry?

OverlayHunter
06-05-2014, 09:32 AM
Questions for those running W7 64-bit and are able to use Custom PP Generator: (1) what version of Custom PP Generator are using; (2) do you know how vb5db.dll came to be on your system, i.e. what other software have you installed which would have included it?

Continuing, for those with a working PPGen, what is the path where vb5db.dll lives, and, how is it registered in the Windows registry?

I can answer some of the above.

From post 12 in this thread: "I've been using Custom PP Generator Version 2.40 on Windows 7 and Window 8 64 bit laptops with no problem but I only use it to look at and sometimes print the PP's."

I haven't a clue where the vb5db.dll came from but it's dated June 18, 1998.

A search of the hard drive on my Windows 8 laptop shows it residing in 2 locations: (1) Windows\SysWOW64 and (2) Windows\System32.

A search of the hard drive on my Windows 7 laptop shows it also residing in the same 2 locations: (1) Windows\SysWOW64 and (2) Windows\System32.

Dealing with registries is above my pay grade. Haven't a clue, but if you can give me step by step explicit directions, I can try to find that tonight.

DJofSD
06-05-2014, 10:03 AM
I can answer some of the above.

From post 12 in this thread: "I've been using Custom PP Generator Version 2.40 on Windows 7 and Window 8 64 bit laptops with no problem but I only use it to look at and sometimes print the PP's."

I haven't a clue where the vb5db.dll came from but it's dated June 18, 1998.

A search of the hard drive on my Windows 8 laptop shows it residing in 2 locations: (1) Windows\SysWOW64 and (2) Windows\System32.

A search of the hard drive on my Windows 7 laptop shows it also residing in the same 2 locations: (1) Windows\SysWOW64 and (2) Windows\System32.

Dealing with registries is above my pay grade. Haven't a clue, but if you can give me step by step explicit directions, I can try to find that tonight.
Excellent - many thanks.

As a prep step:
(0) Start a new, empty Windows Notepad, or, your favorite editor which will be used below. It will be used to paste what you find in the registry search. The registry items will be moderately long and there's trick which will allow use of the clipboard to copy then paste.

For searching the Window registry:
(1) Click the Start button;
(2) In the "Search programs and files" box type "regedit" (sans the deer tracks) then press Enter;
(3) If the Windows User Account Control window pops up, click Yes;
(4) Make sure the "Computer" icon at the very top of the left side pane is selected/highlighted;
(5) Use the CNTRL+F key sequence to open the search window;
(6) Make sure all 3 boxes with the labels keys, values, data are checked;
(7) Into the "find what" field enter vb5db.dll then click "find next." It might take the program a bit to find the first match.
(8a) Assuming a match is found, notice two items are highlighted: one which is dim in the left pane, and the brighter one in the right pane. Do a left mouse click on the item in the left pane; next, on the menu for regedit, select Edit then click on "copy key name" followed by a paste into the Notepad app;
(8b) Return to the regedit app and press F3 to do another search for the next instance of "vb5db.dll". If another instance is found, repeat the click in the left pane and copy/paste operation;
(8c) When the search fails to find another "hit", you're done, exit/quit the regedit app. You will not have changed anything in the registry, so, your system will be safe;
(9) In the Notepad app, do a select all then copy to the clipboard, and then paste the clipboard contents into the reply message to this thread.

Again, many thanks.

OverlayHunter
06-05-2014, 10:34 AM
DJofSD,

I had a few minutes so I did the initial registry search. Well over 100 items appeared in the right box. I'm not sure what all that stuff is or why it should be related to the subject file.

At any rate, I did click on the dimly highlighted item in the left pane (SharedDlls) and retrieved the first key name (if I'm labelling it correctly). It is: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\ Windows\CurrentVersion\SharedDlls

If you have any further insight you think I'll need, please provide it. I'll not be able to get back to this till at least 8 PM tonight or, perhaps, early in the morning.

DJofSD
06-05-2014, 11:24 AM
DJofSD,

I had a few minutes so I did the initial registry search. Well over 100 items appeared in the right box. I'm not sure what all that stuff is or why it should be related to the subject file.

At any rate, I did click on the dimly highlighted item in the left pane (SharedDlls) and retrieved the first key name (if I'm labelling it correctly). It is: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\ Windows\CurrentVersion\SharedDlls

If you have any further insight you think I'll need, please provide it. I'll not be able to get back to this till at least 8 PM tonight or, perhaps, early in the morning.
OK, that's a good start.

If you are seeing multiple items on the right side, it is not a surprise. That list on the right side is basically a way for Windows to quickly find shared DLLs. It provides a look-up function using a key and is a lot quicker than reading the contents of folders which is linear -- from the top to the bottom of the subfolder each and every time is is looking for something which is very slow.

I assume when it finds vb5db.dll a specific line in that long list will be highlighted. It is the combination of the complete path under name and both the type and data which is of interest.

These specific registry entries are when a DLL has been registered with the Windows OS. Whether there is more than 1 instance, and, if there is more than 1, if it is all are the result of the registration process is not clear.

I am assuming the reason why my PPGen fails is b/c FoxPro needs the DLL but Windows can't find it. So, the plan is to use the Windows registration facility and that utility app needs the information in the name column, and then, I need to copy vb5db.dll into that same folder then see if it fixes my problem.

There's a few other details I'll forego.

Again, thanks for your help. One of the benefits for doing this exercise will be documenting it for other PA members to use if they find they can not use PPGen. It might not fix every problem others might have using Custom PP Generator, but, at least it will be there for them to try!

therussmeister
06-05-2014, 11:47 AM
Does anybody work with the files outside of PP Generator, I was able to use Access to look at items I put in there?
Yes, in my first post I mentioned you can no longer add notes using PP generator unless you bought the card. But I found you can add, and edit notes with any database program that can work with mdb file extensions. Actually this works better than using the built-in form for adding notes because you can bulk download them.

Because I don't have Access, I have been using a "free" program called mdb+.

DJofSD
06-05-2014, 12:10 PM
Yes, in my first post I mentioned you can no longer add notes using PP generator unless you bought the card. But I found you can add, and edit notes with any database program that can work with mdb file extensions. Actually this works better than using the built-in form for adding notes because you can bulk download them.

Because I don't have Access, I have been using a "free" program called mdb+.
Yes, the notes part of Custom PP Generator was an add on, or, bolt on if you will.

It has been a long time since I fooled around with it, IOW, what I will share next could just be a lot or a little wrong.

The notes were a separate table which is parallel to the main data base, i.e. the notes data base uses the same key strategy to access the text data for a particular track, race and horse.

I'd say anything done outside of the PPGen app would be better simply because the FoxPro developed apps and the way it was integrated into PPGen was not all that good.

OverlayHunter
06-05-2014, 05:16 PM
I got an unexpected break and finished the registry search. There was nothing else, just the one registry entry I posted this morning.

I'm curious. How do you know that was developed with Foxpro?

DJofSD
06-05-2014, 09:54 PM
OK, thanks.

I'll fool around with the info I have and see what happens.

PhantomOnTour
06-08-2014, 01:11 PM
I am excited that there are this many folks who use the PP Gen program.

BRIS guys told me they were looking into a web based set up for the future, but I think that idea may be dying on the vine. Which is okay because a web based set up will be a total nightmare on busy days.
Just hope some folks over there take notice and either update or create a new program similar to PP Generator.

It is fantastic

therussmeister
06-08-2014, 03:20 PM
When formulator went to a Web based product is when they lost me.

SpotPlays
06-10-2014, 01:34 PM
It's a really good program and it's truly unbelievable that a company with that type of money will not keep the software up to date.

I hope they reconsider this decision.

OverlayHunter
06-10-2014, 01:47 PM
DJofSD - did you have any success with the dll location and registry?

DJofSD
06-10-2014, 02:10 PM
DJofSD - did you have any success with the dll location and registry?
No, at least not yet.

Copying VB5DB.DLL into SYSWOW64 then running the registration utility resulted in Windows telling me "...but the entry-point DllRegisterServer was not found."

I've been researching it but at this point I have to assume the problem when trying to run custompp.exe might not be what I thought it was. And, BTW, I also have a copy of the DLL in the same folder as the PP Gen program.

I do not know what file custompp.exe is looking for and assumed the DLL was it. I'll need to see if an entry in a log might tell me the specifics, or, have to dig deeper using a tool to figure it out.

P.S. Part of what I am researching is exactly what version of FoxPro was used to create the Custom PP Generator app. I don't know if it is Visual FoxPro or something prior to 9.0.

P.P.S. A page I am reading: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/b41s6txx%28v=vs.80%29.aspx

DJofSD
06-10-2014, 03:15 PM
Now, by looking at the executable, I am beginning to think it is a problem due to VB6 parts and pieces missing.

I found a page on one of the MS sites for the run time installables but now I'm finding problems getting that to do something.

And, this gentleman, is why I still have laptops with XP and Vista. I'll get back to this ASAP but no more for now.

KyRacer
06-11-2014, 10:06 AM
Although I have the Custom PP Generator running on my Winows 7 64 bit computer, I thought I would try to install it again in another folder. I had the same problem that SandyW had. Having tried a lot of installations, I may have found a solution. The problem is with the pp2b.tff font and not finishing the installation. Windows 7 doesn't seem to want to install it and hangs the program up. You have to install the fonts manually and then a full install and an upgrade install. I've inclosed the procedure in a pdf file and also attaching a folder with the 2 fonts in it. I called Bris and they said it was ok to attach the fonts. It worked for me. Maybe someone else can try it and let's know if it works.

DJofSD
06-11-2014, 11:40 AM
I did not have any problem getting W7 to install the fonts. I used the 'run as administrator' option while using my admin account. The 2 font files are in the Fonts subfolder.

What I am experiencing is an error when starting custompp.exe . There is a pop up window with an error message.

DJofSD
06-11-2014, 02:27 PM
I've been comparing items in the Windows system log on a Vista system where custompp.exe is running, and, my W7 64-bit system.

After learning a bit more about registry reflections then chasing down what is CTF and TIP, I have a request for those running custompp.exe on a W7 64-bit system without any problems.

I'm looking for an explanation about why I am seeing some differences between my two systems. One branch on the diagnostic tree implies some differences in the registry are missing due to Windows features not enabled/used. Unfortunately not enough specifics to help me determine if that is a part of the problem I have.

So, it the attachment is what I have at the moment. If those able to use custompp.exe would post what they have, and, for any item that has more than one sub-item, expand the tree before posting.

TIA

OverlayHunter
06-11-2014, 04:02 PM
I might be able look at my Windows 7 machine Friday or this weekend.

Please understand that I'm working with way less than a full deck when it comes to these issues and I'm pretty sure that this question may no longer be pertinent but you've mentioned Foxpro a couple of times as the language you believe was used to create the BRIS custompp program. That may well be the absolute fact but I'm curious why in the BRIScust folder that gets set up at installation I see mdb files (I believe they are for Access) and see no dbf files which I'm certain were used by Foxpro through Version 9.

DJofSD
06-11-2014, 04:23 PM
I might be able look at my Windows 7 machine Friday or this weekend.

Please understand that I'm working with way less than a full deck when it comes to these issues and I'm pretty sure that this question may no longer be pertinent but you've mentioned Foxpro a couple of times as the language you believe was used to create the BRIS custompp program. That may well be the absolute fact but I'm curious why in the BRIScust folder that gets set up at installation I see mdb files (I believe they are for Access) and see no dbf files which I'm certain were used by Foxpro through Version 9.
Whenever you can is good 'nuf -- THANKS.

FoxPro as the tool used is something I have carried around in my head for a long time. Exactly when and how I made that observation has been lost.

Access uses the same extension and file structure which derive from the old, old, dBase days. I'll dig up some more info about it later today.

Also, Access is lurking in the background of this custompp.exe stuff. It does use the MSJET40.DLL.

KyRacer
06-11-2014, 06:40 PM
DJofSD,

Sorry it didn't work for you. I was hoping that would solve the problem. My old installation that I've been using has to have the "Run as Administrator" box checked, probably because I installed it as Administrator. The new installation runs both with the box checked or unchecked.

Last night I deleted the fonts from the font folder and ran the custompp program to see what would happen and got a popup similar yours. Try right clicking on custompp and going to properties and try running both as Administrator and with the box unchecked. Don't forget to hit apply. Open your word processor and see if the pp2a and pp2b appear in the fonts drop down menu. Can you print with them?

When you tried the full installation (briscustppfull2400.exe), did it hang when it got to pp2b font or did it complete the installation? If it didn't hang and completed the installation, then it must be looking for a different file than the pp2b font. That would make me wonder why it hangs on me. If it completed did it leave a install.log file in the folder?

How do you get to the Windows Feature screen that your showing?

I think the original PP Generator was developed with Foxpro, but I think the current version was made with Visual Basic 6.0. There's a program at AnalogX.com called textscan that lets you look at text inside of a program. Got the feeling the program was a VB6 program.

kmitchell006
06-11-2014, 08:26 PM
Try this updated version...

OverlayHunter
06-13-2014, 06:52 AM
KyRacer -

Learn about Windows features here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/turn-windows-features-on-off#1TC=windows-7

DJofSD
06-13-2014, 07:48 AM
DJofSD,

Sorry it didn't work for you. I was hoping that would solve the problem. My old installation that I've been using has to have the "Run as Administrator" box checked, probably because I installed it as Administrator. The new installation runs both with the box checked or unchecked.

Last night I deleted the fonts from the font folder and ran the custompp program to see what would happen and got a popup similar yours. Try right clicking on custompp and going to properties and try running both as Administrator and with the box unchecked. Don't forget to hit apply. Open your word processor and see if the pp2a and pp2b appear in the fonts drop down menu. Can you print with them?

When you tried the full installation (briscustppfull2400.exe), did it hang when it got to pp2b font or did it complete the installation? If it didn't hang and completed the installation, then it must be looking for a different file than the pp2b font. That would make me wonder why it hangs on me. If it completed did it leave a install.log file in the folder?

How do you get to the Windows Feature screen that your showing?

I think the original PP Generator was developed with Foxpro, but I think the current version was made with Visual Basic 6.0. There's a program at AnalogX.com called textscan that lets you look at text inside of a program. Got the feeling the program was a VB6 program.
I have tried to execute custompp.exe both without and with using the elevated privilege levels using either the RMB to select run as administrator or changing the option via the properties associated with the app. I always end up with an error in a pop up window.

DJofSD
06-13-2014, 07:50 AM
DJofSD,

Sorry it didn't work for you. I was hoping that would solve the problem. My old installation that I've been using has to have the "Run as Administrator" box checked, probably because I installed it as Administrator. The new installation runs both with the box checked or unchecked.

Last night I deleted the fonts from the font folder and ran the custompp program to see what would happen and got a popup similar yours. Try right clicking on custompp and going to properties and try running both as Administrator and with the box unchecked. Don't forget to hit apply. Open your word processor and see if the pp2a and pp2b appear in the fonts drop down menu. Can you print with them?

When you tried the full installation (briscustppfull2400.exe), did it hang when it got to pp2b font or did it complete the installation? If it didn't hang and completed the installation, then it must be looking for a different file than the pp2b font. That would make me wonder why it hangs on me. If it completed did it leave a install.log file in the folder?

How do you get to the Windows Feature screen that your showing?

I think the original PP Generator was developed with Foxpro, but I think the current version was made with Visual Basic 6.0. There's a program at AnalogX.com called textscan that lets you look at text inside of a program. Got the feeling the program was a VB6 program.
Regarding a test of the installation of the fonts: I used the MS writer app, and, I was able to both select the fonts and successfully produce hard copy, no problem.

DJofSD
06-13-2014, 08:00 AM
DJofSD,

Sorry it didn't work for you. I was hoping that would solve the problem. My old installation that I've been using has to have the "Run as Administrator" box checked, probably because I installed it as Administrator. The new installation runs both with the box checked or unchecked.

Last night I deleted the fonts from the font folder and ran the custompp program to see what would happen and got a popup similar yours. Try right clicking on custompp and going to properties and try running both as Administrator and with the box unchecked. Don't forget to hit apply. Open your word processor and see if the pp2a and pp2b appear in the fonts drop down menu. Can you print with them?

When you tried the full installation (briscustppfull2400.exe), did it hang when it got to pp2b font or did it complete the installation? If it didn't hang and completed the installation, then it must be looking for a different file than the pp2b font. That would make me wonder why it hangs on me. If it completed did it leave a install.log file in the folder?

How do you get to the Windows Feature screen that your showing?

I think the original PP Generator was developed with Foxpro, but I think the current version was made with Visual Basic 6.0. There's a program at AnalogX.com called textscan that lets you look at text inside of a program. Got the feeling the program was a VB6 program.
To navigate to the Windows Features app: Windows Start -> Control Panel -> Programs -> Turn Windows features on or off .

The screen shot was created by making sure the app window had focus, pressing and holding the ALT key while pressing the PRINT SCREEN key. Then start the Windows Paint app, paste the clipboard contents into Paint and then save it into a file. The file is then U/L to a message via the Manage attachments button at the very bottom of the screen when creating a new message to add to a thread.

DJofSD
06-13-2014, 08:04 AM
Regarding the FoxPro versus BASIC question: you could very well be correct. I never did consider the app could have been rewritten at some point. And, the error message I posted does have the feeling of a BASIC app.

OverlayHunter
06-13-2014, 01:19 PM
Please see attached pdf's.

DJofSD
06-13-2014, 01:50 PM
OH, THX. I'll review the Windows configurations and see if there are differences between my system and yours.

It'll be later today.

If there any others which could also take a look at the Windows optional software configuration and post, it would help and be appreciated.

As stated previously, this is just one branch in the diagnostic tree for trying to figure out the failures with custompp.exe on my W7 64-bit system. (While sysinternals Procmon is telling me about the error, I can not seem to uncover the specifics to be able to figure out where the installation might have gone off the tracks, or, if there are some pieces from another software installation which I am missing, or, something else altogether.)

KyRacer
06-13-2014, 07:23 PM
Thanks guys for the info. Hadn't looked at it before. Attached are my Windows Features. Opened the trees except for games.

KyRacer
06-13-2014, 10:54 PM
DJofSD,

At this point it doesn't look like it's the fonts, but I would like to know if you have an install.log in the BRISCust folder and if the program hung when you tried to install it.

I'm attaching 2 install.log files. I've renamed then GenXPinstalllog.txt and GenW7installlog.txt. I changed the log extension to txt so it will open in your text viewer. The 1st one is the install.log from my Virtual PC windows Xp mode. The 2nd is my install.log from my installation on Windows 7. The 1st one copied a lot of files into the system32 folder. The 2nd one copied or overwrote files in the system 32 folder, except I couldn't find most of those programs in the system32 folder. So what was it overwriting. I think Windows 7 takes those files an puts them in the SysWOW64 folder.

This is a link to a topic that might help.
http://www.samlogic.net/articles/32-64-bit-windows-folder-x86-syswow64.htm

Below is a list of files from the install.log. I believe they should probably be in your SysWOW64 folder but no sure.

MBMouse.ocx
MSCOMCTL.OCX
Tab32x30.ocx
tdbg8.ocx
UIToolX.ocx
xadb8.ocx

comcat.dll *
dao360.dll
duzactx.dll
mfc42.dll *
msvbvm60.dll
msvcrt.dll *
oleaut32.dll *
olepro32.dll
Vb5db.dll *
Vb6stkit.dll
vbajet32.dll

stdole2.tlb

The ones with the asterisks are in my c:\windows\system32 folder. Use Windows explorer to see if these files are in your sysWOW64 folder. Check the files below first, they're the ones I don't think are installed when the program hangs when trying to install the fonts. They're suppose to be installed after the fonts along with custompp.exe.

Actbar2.ocx
duzactx.dll
dao360.dll
vbajet32.dll
Vb6stkit.dll

Did your computer come with Windows 7 installed or did your install it over Windows XP? I installed mine over Windows XP and maybe it moved the 32 bit files to sysWOW64 folder during installation and that might be why I have them and you don't . Just a guess.

Both logs show "Could not Self-Register: C:\Windows\System32\Vb5db.dll" and but program works fine. The rest of the files are self registering.

Hope this give you some ideas.

OverlayHunter
06-14-2014, 03:13 AM
Attached are the install logs from my Win7 and Win8 machines. I don't have the technical expertise of KR so I can't give you any commentary except that Win7 installation was done in Sept. 2011 and the Win8 in Jan. 2013 on the off-chance those dates happen to hold any significance.

Uncle Salty
06-14-2014, 04:50 AM
It's a really good program and it's truly unbelievable that a company with that type of money will not keep the software up to date.

I hope they reconsider this decision.

I agree. I was floored when they told me they couldn't fix it the date problem in their custom item list.

My handicapping was never better than when I was making my own Q figs and adding them into the BRIS PP Gen program.

I wonder if it was because they weren't making any money on it and it was just a resource/manpower drain for them. I would have paid a subscription price for that software if necessary.

DJofSD
06-14-2014, 10:03 AM
Please see attached pdf's.
OK, I see some differences. Whether or not it explains my problems with custompp.exe is not clear.

Games - ignoring.
Indexing Services - off in both lists.
Internet Explorer 11 - on in both lists.
IIS - off in both lists.
IIS Hostable Web core - off in both lists.
Media Features - all sub items on in both lists.
Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5.1 - off (?) in both lists.
MSMQ Server - off (?) in both lists.
Print and Document Services - different items count: mine, 4; yours 5. I am missing Scan Management. Checked and unchecked items are the same.
Remote Differential Compression - on in both lists.
RIP Listener - off in both lists.
SNMP - off in both lists.
Simple TCPIP Services - off in both lists.
Table PC Components - on in both lists.
Telnet Client - off in both lists.
Telnet Server - off in both lists.
TFTP Client - off in both lists.
Windows Gadget Platform - on in both lists.
Windows Process Activation Service - off in both lists.
Windows Search - on in both lists.
Windows TIFF IFilter - off in both lists.

At this point walking down the two lists, the contents of the list differ:
Windows Virtual PC does not exist in my list of features installed/used.

XPS Services - on in both lists.
XPS Viewer - on in both lists.

So, there are some differences between the two systems as far as the list of Windows features are concerned.

My system is Windows Home Premium.

OverlayHunter
06-14-2014, 10:45 AM
DJofSD -

FWIW both Windows 7 and 8 on my computers are the professional versions. Regarding the "Scan" difference, I have installed scanning software on both machines. Perhaps that software added that choice when it installed.

OverlayHunter
06-14-2014, 10:57 AM
You've probably thought of these but on the chance you haven't:

Do you have access to other computers (friend, relative, neighbor, work, etc.) that you can try the software on? If you do, you can make some comparisons against your machine. For example, if they use the professional version of Windows and the software works on them, perhaps that may indicate that may be related to the problem.

Have you tried downloading the installation software again on the chance that the one you are using could be faulty in some way?

Is there any way to determine if some unrelated software on your machine is incompatible with the custompp software in some way?

DJofSD
06-14-2014, 11:02 AM
OH, thx.

I have a scanner, an Epson. I use it through a USB port. It uses software from the vendor for the UI not anything from Microsoft. And, I recall there was some drivers installed for the USB device.

I'm beginning to feel the Windows features is not going to explain why there are some registry differences which I had thought were the general area which was the source of the error I am getting.

And going back the FoxPro v. BASIC question, if custompp.exe is VB then it makes sense why ProcMon can only provide a little information about the error -- the BASIC executable is a different animal altogether. In the past and with different (earlier) versions of BASIC, there was a certain amount of reverse engineering possible. Mostly done visually but on occasion, using a dissassembler and its features to produce assembler listing in aiding whatever investigation I was performing. I'll have to think about going around that particular block yet again.

DJofSD
06-14-2014, 11:27 AM
You've probably thought of these but on the chance you haven't:

Do you have access to other computers (friend, relative, neighbor, work, etc.) that you can try the software on? If you do, you can make some comparisons against your machine. For example, if they use the professional version of Windows and the software works on them, perhaps that may indicate that may be related to the problem.

Have you tried downloading the installation software again on the chance that the one you are using could be faulty in some way?

Is there any way to determine if some unrelated software on your machine is incompatible with the custompp software in some way?
Yes, as stated earlier in the thread, I have a Windows Vista laptop. The BRIS Custom PP Generator is installed on it, and, it works.

What I have done so far is to use the sysinternals tools, mostly, Procmon to help analyze the error I see on my W7 system. It occurs when the Windows registry is being accessed.

I have compared the germane part of the registries and found some differences. As an aside, part of that effort was to learn about registry reflections, and, understanding the W7 facility which was a part of the continued migration from 32-bit to 64-bit environments and being able to continue to support 32-bit apps. This is, in part, what SYSWoW is about, and, the part of the registry with a key of SYSWow6432. But even after allowing for the differences in the registry for the different flavors of the OS and how 32-bit apps are supported, I was still seeing things on Vista that were not there for W7. My theory was the things missing in the W7 registry were the things missing which caused the error I get.

Yes, I have downloaded a new copy of both the full and update version of the latest version of the BRIS app. It has not made any difference -- I still get an error on the W7 system.

I believe the only possible way something which is incompatible with the BRIS app would cause a problem would be during the installation of the BRIS app. If the installation of the BRIS app failed to make the changes to the registry then it would explain my error. Certainly, one thing to do is to uninstall the BRIS app then reinstall it while using Procmon and reviewing any errors it might show while the installer is running. I'm not sure I really want to do that but I might be forced to in order to find the problem or eliminate it as a source of the problem.

And, as a general comment, this problem I experience, and, the inability to review my system's installation for the BRIS app really irritates me. I am used to installing software -- I've done it for a long, long time -- and I am used to being able to verify the installation is done correctly. I won't get into the sordid details. But, I will say dealing with most software installations on Windows leaves a whole heck of a lot to be desired. Having at least a minimal list of things to manually go look for would at least be something to chase down. But right now, I 'gots nuttin'.'

OverlayHunter
06-14-2014, 01:06 PM
I should have been more clear. By other machines, I meant other Win 7 machines. It's one thing for me and others to send you information from our machines but it's quite another for you to have access to a machine when the software installs correctly so you can actual poke, prod, examine,and make comparisons. Just the act of doing that may trigger a thought or idea if not actually present you with a solution.

DJofSD
06-14-2014, 03:46 PM
DJofSD,

At this point it doesn't look like it's the fonts, but I would like to know if you have an install.log in the BRISCust folder and if the program hung when you tried to install it.

I'm attaching 2 install.log files. I've renamed then GenXPinstalllog.txt and GenW7installlog.txt. I changed the log extension to txt so it will open in your text viewer. The 1st one is the install.log from my Virtual PC windows Xp mode. The 2nd is my install.log from my installation on Windows 7. The 1st one copied a lot of files into the system32 folder. The 2nd one copied or overwrote files in the system 32 folder, except I couldn't find most of those programs in the system32 folder. So what was it overwriting. I think Windows 7 takes those files an puts them in the SysWOW64 folder.

This is a link to a topic that might help.
http://www.samlogic.net/articles/32-64-bit-windows-folder-x86-syswow64.htm

Below is a list of files from the install.log. I believe they should probably be in your SysWOW64 folder but no sure.

MBMouse.ocx
MSCOMCTL.OCX
Tab32x30.ocx
tdbg8.ocx
UIToolX.ocx
xadb8.ocx

comcat.dll *
dao360.dll
duzactx.dll
mfc42.dll *
msvbvm60.dll
msvcrt.dll *
oleaut32.dll *
olepro32.dll
Vb5db.dll *
Vb6stkit.dll
vbajet32.dll

stdole2.tlb

The ones with the asterisks are in my c:\windows\system32 folder. Use Windows explorer to see if these files are in your sysWOW64 folder. Check the files below first, they're the ones I don't think are installed when the program hangs when trying to install the fonts. They're suppose to be installed after the fonts along with custompp.exe.

Actbar2.ocx
duzactx.dll
dao360.dll
vbajet32.dll
Vb6stkit.dll

Did your computer come with Windows 7 installed or did your install it over Windows XP? I installed mine over Windows XP and maybe it moved the 32 bit files to sysWOW64 folder during installation and that might be why I have them and you don't . Just a guess.

Both logs show "Could not Self-Register: C:\Windows\System32\Vb5db.dll" and but program works fine. The rest of the files are self registering.

Hope this give you some ideas.
A partial response to some of the items in the message (damn, too much to watch: US Open, WC all going at the same time. Next weekend LPGA up against the WC too. Good thing they invented the DVR.)

Thanks for posting the installation logs from the Wise installer. I have grabbed the log from my Vista system and will bash them against each other using my fav app for that, Beyond Compare 2. I'll post my findings later.

I did do a manual inspection of the list gleaned from the installation log.
All of the files were found on both the Vista (no surprise) and W7 64-bit systems. For Vista, all found in system32 and for W7 all in SysWOW64.

The W7 system was purchased as a new box with W7 factory installed. The Vista laptop has been a sand box of sort, and, it has been wiped with a clean, bare machine install of Vista 32-bit and a few other software packages installed.

Yes, I have a W7 32-bit system my son uses for WoT. I don't do anything on it except to keep it up to date and the occasional defrag. I guess it could be instructive to do an initial installation of the BRIS app to see what happens. And, as I recall, the Beyond Compare utility will allow me to do a before and after snap shot of the systems contents to facilitate a before/after comparison of what the Wise installation utility would change. What I will need to review is if the registry updates are capable of being captured using that approach or not. In any event, I have my own utility to take snap shots of the registry so the utility can then do a comparison to find those changes.

TTFN - back to WC and the US Open.

Thanks for all the info and assistance.

takeout
06-15-2014, 03:58 AM
I like the PP Generator, too, but when I went from XP to 7 I had to quit using it and go back to pdfs because the data file won't show 1/2 lengths any more in the running lines. All of the other beaten-length fractions seem to be there but the halves are all missing. Not sure, but in KyRacer's post #11, it looks like the halves are missing there as well. I tried to get a pdf of that day to verify but of course I'm too late it's no longer available.

KyRacer
06-15-2014, 04:40 AM
takeout,

Your absolutely right. the half's with the underline are missing. I took a screen shot from multicaps and it showed them on it's pp's. I looked at the character map of the fonts and the half's with the underline seem to be missing. It's late, I'll look at it closer later today. This was mentioned in another tread a couple of years ago. Now I know what they were talking about. I usually use multicaps to look at the pps of individual horses, the Generator for workouts and trainer stats and other things.

This is what it should've look like.

OverlayHunter
06-15-2014, 04:44 AM
Thanks for solving that mystery,takeout, they are missing when I view on my Windows 8 machine as well. Must be a hardwired bug in the software. The data is definitely in the delimited file but it never makes it to the screen.

socialnetworker
06-16-2014, 02:34 AM
I tried to get a pdf of that day to verify but of course I'm too late it's no longer available.

Does anybody know anybody willing to help assemble an archive of past PPs
(besides Brisnet:) ).

I would like to purchase entire seasons for research purposes at a reasonable cost.

DJofSD
06-19-2014, 07:08 AM
Yes, I have a W7 32-bit system my son uses for WoT. I don't do anything on it except to keep it up to date and the occasional defrag. I guess it could be instructive to do an initial installation of the BRIS app to see what happens. And, as I recall, the Beyond Compare utility will allow me to do a before and after snap shot of the systems contents to facilitate a before/after comparison of what the Wise installation utility would change. What I will need to review is if the registry updates are capable of being captured using that approach or not. In any event, I have my own utility to take snap shots of the registry so the utility can then do a comparison to find those changes.

OK, back to it.

ATM, I plan to use my son's PC to do more work on why I can not execute custompp.exe on my W7 64-bit system. This will be much later today or tomorrow.

It is a system that has never had this app installed before and the system is relatively "clean/skinny", i.e. there is not too much else installed on it.

Any suggestions before I begin?

upthecreek
09-11-2014, 12:12 PM
Is anyone able to run the Bris PP generator on a 64 bit is,specifically W8.1?
I ask a Bris tech ,they said it only runs on a 32 bit system I also read something about Wow 64 thats included w/ window 64 bit is that makes running 32 bit programs possible?
Thnx

Jingle
09-12-2014, 07:35 AM
I do not had a problem running the Bris PP's on my Win 7, 64bit Toshiba laptop. I am using ver. 2.40 of the PP Generator. I am not sure it will work with later versions.

GameTheory
09-12-2014, 12:39 PM
Is anyone able to run the Bris PP generator on a 64 bit is,specifically W8.1?
I ask a Bris tech ,they said it only runs on a 32 bit system I also read something about Wow 64 thats included w/ window 64 bit is that makes running 32 bit programs possible?
Windows 64-bit versions run 32-bit software with no problem and with no extra steps, in general. It is not the 32 vs 64 bit per se that causes the incompatibility, just certain other parts of the OS that the old program is relying on means that some programs don't work with the newest versions, so sometimes you can use the built-in compatibility mode (on the shortcut that runs the program, right-click and go to the compatibility tab and set to an older OS version) which works sometimes, but often not. Or use a full-blown virtual machine running Windows XP, which is a pain for only one program but it is pretty much guaranteed to work...

upthecreek
09-22-2014, 12:28 PM
Is anyone able to run the Bris PP generator on a 64 bit is,specifically W8.1?
I ask a Bris tech ,they said it only runs on a 32 bit system I also read something about Wow 64 thats included w/ window 64 bit is that makes running 32 bit programs possible?
Thnx
Of course Bris tech didn't know what he was talking about-just ran install and it works fine Didn't have to do anything just install & run

hyipro
10-28-2014, 01:37 AM
I tried to open the file as I usually due, and I keep getting the message
"subscript out of range" cannot close the program, after the message
I have to do a windows force restart. Does this message mean I cannot
use the file, I would assume so any thoughts ??

Fingal
10-28-2014, 11:50 AM
I had the same thing happen, even had to do the forced shutdown. Now when I open it I still get that message, but when I click continously the "OK" button on that out of range message the pps eventually come up. Strange.

DJofSD
10-28-2014, 12:41 PM
As a guess, it is probably an error with some of the data in the file which the parser can't handle or the routine to stuff the data into the FoxPro database can not handle.

If so, when the next version of the same data file is posted by BRIS after the fields are finalized and the post positions are known, that error will likely go away.

hyipro
10-28-2014, 03:31 PM
bad data files, and the large size of the fields, should be fixed by early tonight

therussmeister
04-26-2015, 11:58 AM
Try putting the program exe on a flash drive! then you can see if it installs on the computer before you buy it to make sure it works.
Update:
It almost works fine with Windows 8, but there is one problem I have encountered. It does not display 1/2 lengths. That is, a horse that was trailing by 3 1/2 lengths will read as 3 lengths. A horse trailing by 1/2 length will show no margin. It has no problem with 1/4 and 3/4 lengths.