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kdog
05-31-2014, 12:22 PM
I see Japan racing on Twinspires schedule today at 9:05pm. I just noticed it so this may be old news to others. Is this similar to the Hong Kong circuit I read about on the boards? Didn't see any PP's available on TS though, maybe they exist somewhere else online (and in english).

Robert Goren
05-31-2014, 12:32 PM
Is Japan pari-mutuel? If so, do they co-mingle with their pools?

jfdinneen
05-31-2014, 12:37 PM
As requested, Japan Derby Day (http://japanracing.jp/_pdf/information/jra-race-programme/2014/140601.pdf).

John

kdog
05-31-2014, 12:39 PM
Is Japan pari-mutuel? If so, do they co-mingle with their pools?

Yes, it appears it is pari-mutuel. See here (http://japanracing.jp/en/jpn-racing/guide/pdf/horseracing_en_03.pdf). And this site (http://japanracing.jp/en/index.html) appears to have a lot of info.

kdog
05-31-2014, 12:40 PM
As requested, Japan Derby Day (http://japanracing.jp/_pdf/information/jra-race-programme/2014/140601.pdf).

John

Thanks John!

jfdinneen
05-31-2014, 01:19 PM
kdog,

I like One And Only (M/L: 5.8) [Deep Closer] with the fastest final three furlong time from the Japan 2000 Guineas (http://japanracing.jp/_news2014/140420.html) (4th) on April 20. He will be closing (from last place) like a freight train down the stretch!

John

kdog
05-31-2014, 03:15 PM
Not sure if I am reading the form correctly, but that choice is intriguing. Isla Bonita who won on 4-20 is also in the mix and has an impressive record to date.

Thanks for your insight. I am curious and very interested to see that race pans out.

Hoofless_Wonder
05-31-2014, 03:16 PM
Japan has been on the calendar of the "Big 3" (Twinspires, Xpressbet, and TVG) for months. Sometimes all races are carried, sometimes just the latter races. The latter races in the card will have the English announcing crew.

The races are NOT commingled - it's a smaller, North American only pool, similar to Aussie racing. So, it's not like Hong Kong. The racing is not nearly as good either, but there are larger fields and some of the races are playable. Unlike Hong Kong, there is far less information out on the internet for PPs and other info, so the skimpy PPs is about all you get.

Twinspires has the PPs listed out there under International Racing.

I enjoy the racing from Japan, and will make an occasional bet, but I prefer Aussie a bit more, and Hong Kong much more.

kdog
05-31-2014, 03:36 PM
yes, i do see the PP's on TS now. John's link goes to a different version which looks a little more detailed.

I appreciate your thoughts on overseas racing and how they stack up.

Hoofless_Wonder
05-31-2014, 04:40 PM
FWIW, I think :5: To The World may turn the tables on the chalk in the big race tonight, as is getting a much better post.

At least they do have the horses and numbers in post position order, which is more important to me than weight. But one thing missing in the allowance races are detailed conditions. And so many horses have such poor records, possibly due to such high purse money they run for - so many of the races end up with one, two or three contenders....and a bunch of also rans.

Sure wish the pools were co-mingled though - they bet a boatload of money on those races....

olddaddy
06-03-2014, 11:23 AM
There can be value in Japan for a nickle and dime bettor with the small pools. Ive been playing japan for 3 years and its one of the few places I have a + roi.

netbet
06-03-2014, 01:26 PM
Good call on One and Only.

kdog,

I like One And Only (M/L: 5.8) [Deep Closer] with the fastest final three furlong time from the Japan 2000 Guineas (http://japanracing.jp/_news2014/140420.html) (4th) on April 20. He will be closing (from last place) like a freight train down the stretch!

John

jfdinneen
06-03-2014, 01:45 PM
NetBet,

Thanks for the kind words.
I give most of the credit for this result to James Quinn: [Quinn, James (2013-04-17). The Complete Handicapper: You Can Beat the Races! (Kindle Locations 1692-1695). DRF Press. Kindle Edition. ]:
The key to success in turf routes is to limit support to horses that have completed the final fractions of races faster than 12 seconds a furlong, provided the finish occurred at today’s class level or higher...
John

dkithore
06-05-2014, 01:50 AM
There can be value in Japan for a nickle and dime bettor with the small pools. Ive been playing japan for 3 years and its one of the few places I have a + roi.


I agree.

DK