Let's kill a few Vets.......

[JustRalph]

http://wp.me/p2DuVz-4U

From 2012. Your tax dollars at work.

It's been like this for years. Going back 20 yrs that I know of

[JustRalph]

This just keeps getting worse and worse

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-on-the-right/052714-702272-public-unions-share-blame-for-va-deaths.htm?p=full

[fast4522]

Different with Vid.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/28/politics/phoenix-va-hospital/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

[JustRalph]

Montel isn't happy

He did 22 years


http://youtu.be/hooE45FopWk

hooE45FopWk

[fast4522]

JR,

in your other thread "The other side of Memorial Day", you used the word shameful. It is apparent the leftys have no stomach for standing up for our brave who have served. This may be the straw that will break the camels back in November when those on the fence vote down this ugly road we are on, where are all the leftys now?

[Ocala Mike]

Nothing about this surprises me. When my father-in-law, a disabled WWII vet, passed away while supposedly being cared for by the DVA in 2002, I brought a tort case against the DVA pro se. Got to the deposition phase when I realized I was outlawyered, so I wound up settling the case for a fraction of what I sued for.

Not at liberty to reveal the nature of the negligence, but believe me when I say that the VA caused my wife's father"s death.

[JustRalph]

Nothing changes the minds of Democrats. They are all in for the cause. Obama and Pelosi could hold a press conference where they slaughter kittens and puppies with their bare hands and eat them and Dems would blame the sharp knife

[Tom]

Falsifying government documents is illegal.
Many at the VA need to doing time in prison.

And maybe the CNC should gets is arse in gear and do something beside play golf and diss republicans. He is a disgrace.

[Clocker]

And maybe the CNC should gets is arse in gear and do something beside play golf and diss republicans.

He cannot do anything right now because there is an on-going investigation.

As there is an on-going investigation about the IRS. And Benghazi. And on and on.

[Tom]

And, as the CNC, as the POTUS, as the most powerful man in the world, HE HAD NO IDEA ANY OF IT WAS GOING ON AND HEARD IT ALL ON CNN.

Has there ever been a more pathetic piece of garbage than this turd?

[NJ Stinks]

This just keeps getting worse and worse

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-on-the-right/052714-702272-public-unions-share-blame-for-va-deaths.htm?p=full

There are a few things in this article that I believe is BS.

Start with this wild guess that the reader must be gullible enough to believe:

VA hospitals have no clue how many staff they need. A 2012 audit by the VA's own inspector general found that hospitals lacked any method for calculating staffing needs, in part because of resistance to measuring worker productivity.

I've never seen a full-time government job where an employee's productivity could not be measured. Government unions don't have this kind of clout.

The union opposes outsourcing. Worse, vets are being discouraged from accessing civilian care, even when they are desperate and have insurance to pay for it. The VA's health care budget is based on how many vets enroll and how much care they use.

Why would grown men let anyone talk them out of anything when it comes to their health? What kind of person would a union employee working for VA have to be to prefer vets die before the vets go for private healthcare? One must believe in fairy tales to believe this accusation.

"Create a Crisis and then outsource the work. They will dismantle the VA Healthcare System a brick at a time," charges the union's newsletter.
AFGE President J. David Cox Sr. insists the only remedy is more VA staff. "Chronic understaffing," is the problem, he says. It's hard to fathom how Cox can make that claim.

If you can past your bias against government unions, what Cox said above is obvious.

VA management is doing a rotten job but federal government management cannot belong to any union.

[Ocala Mike]

Falsifying government documents is illegal.




Yes, and this is why the VA settled with me. I had proof that they had falsified medication records on my father-in-law, and they didn't want the case to advance to the next level (trial or hearing). My wife and her siblings did not want to pursue the case by obtaining the services of an attorney, so I setlled out of respect for their wishes. I kind of regret doing so, but my hands were tied.

[DJofSD]

http://www.va.gov/opa/bios/secretary.asp

[Robert Goren]

The VA has been getting worse and worse for years no matter who is president. I would like to think the republicans who are raising such a stink now will actually do something to fix it, but I have a lot of doubts. I think they should do away with Vets Hospitals and set up system where they could see a non-VA doctor and go to a non-VA hospital and the VA administration would play for it. Sort of a voucher system.

[Tom]

Bush knew about the problems, and he did not fix them.
He passed it on to Obama in a memo, and he didn't fix it.
He was told again in 2010 and didn't fix it.
He was told again in 2013 and didn't fix it.

Now he says the problems just surfaced and will be dealt with.

BS.

Once our troops come home, they are just not on top of anyone's list anymore. We need an auditing third party who doesn't report to government to go into every VA location at least once a year and audit the systems and interview the Vets.

We just cannot trust of miserable excuse of a government to do anything right, even for those who put their lives on the line for us all.

I certainly would advise anyone thinking of enlisting to not do so. We just don't deserve their sacrifice.

[boxcar]

Nothing changes the minds of Democrats. They are all in for the cause. Obama and Pelosi could hold a press conference where they slaughter kittens and puppies with their bare hands and eat them and Dems would blame the sharp knife

The diabolically clever policies intentionally set in place is just a form of euthanasia. Instead of the government directly injecting people with poison in their veins, they just refuse the required care knowing the outcome will be just the same.

Boxcar

[ArlJim78]

So while Vet's are dying while sitting on waiting lists, the VA is spending hand over fist on various green energy boondoggles such as, if you can believe this, installing windmills at VA cemeteries and solar panels at VA hospitals.

So after sacrificing for their country Vets are once again forced to sacrifice for the cause of saving the planet from an imaginary threat. Oh and let's not forget lining the pockets of Democratic donors.

Green Energy For Dead Vets (http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2014/06/green-energy-for-dead-vets.html)

This is a cause that Shinseki championed for the administration.
Why on earth would you spend a half million dollars to install a single windmill at a cemetery? I'm pretty sure that the electricity needs of those in the area are nil.

The VA scandal began at the Phoenix VA Health Care System where administrators earned promotions and bonuses by shunting patients who needed treatment into fake waiting lists.

As many as 40 veterans had died while waiting for care and 1,715 veterans in the Phoenix VA Health Care System had waited more than 90 days for an appointment. A retired Navy serviceman died of bladder cancer after being put on a 7-month waiting list after blood was found in his urine. He finally received an appointment a week after his death.

But each and every year, from 2009 to 2011, the Phoenix VA Health Care System put in solar panels. The solar panels at the Carl T. Hayden VA in Phoenix cost $20 million.

[Tom]

Sad that our CNC is such a sadistic, murdering bastard.
He will burn in Hell. There is no debate.

why wold anyone consider enlisting to defend this third rate country?
I would not advise anyone to waste their time - we do not deserve the sacrifices our troops make.

[JustRalph]

Hmmmm........

[fast4522]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/23/us/phoenix-va-deaths-new-allegations/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[TJDave]

Hmmmm........

Did you know it was illegal for a US citizen to sneak into the States?

[ArlJim78]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/23/us/phoenix-va-deaths-new-allegations/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Behold the awesomeness of a single payer government run healthcare system.


Records of dead veterans were changed or physically
altered, some even in recent weeks, to hide how many people died while waiting for care at the Phoenix VA hospital, a whistle-blower told CNN in stunning revelations that point to a new coverup in the ongoing VA scandal.


Remember all the directors achieved positive reviews and bonuses, and they have solar panels installed everywhere. Yeah they've got their priorities straight.

[DJofSD]

Maybe we should send those sordid details to the parents living in Latin America with the open question: do you really trust the US government to take care of your children?

[fast4522]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/24/us/senator-va-report/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

[Clocker]

Vet notified he got a doctor appointment (http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/01/vet-gets-va-appointment-two-years-after-he-died/) 2 years after he died.


Doug Chase, a Vietnam veteran, finally received a letter from a Massachusetts VA hospital telling him that he could proceed to make a primary care appointment.

To bad Chase was already dead. He died from a brain tumor in August 2012.

“We are committed to providing primary care in a timely manner and would greatly appreciate a prompt response,” read a letter sent to Chase on June 12, according to Boston’s WBZ.



If that wasn't bad enough, his widow filed for death benefits, and was denied because he had never been treated at a VA hospital.

[newtothegame]

Oversight Report Finds Crack Dealing, Sexting, Manslaughter By VA Employees

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/lauretta-brown/oversight-report-finds-crack-dealing-sexting-manslaughter-va-employees

[Robert Goren]

Behold the awesomeness of a single payer government run healthcare system.



Remember all the directors achieved positive reviews and bonuses, and they have solar panels installed everywhere. Yeah they've got their priorities straight. The directors achieved positive reviews because they lied about how well they were doing their jobs and NOBODY CHECKED THEIR NUMBERS. This stuff happens everywhere and is not just a problem in government. It had tragic results here and the directors should go to jail, but they probably won't. These kinds of people seldom do.

[JustRalph]

http://bit.ly/TRNWBL

Sometimes you just have to shake your head

[ArlJim78]

The directors achieved positive reviews because they lied about how well they were doing their jobs and NOBODY CHECKED THEIR NUMBERS. This stuff happens everywhere and is not just a problem in government. It had tragic results here and the directors should go to jail, but they probably won't. These kinds of people seldom do.
its the norm in government for sure, and there is nothing you or I can do about it, they are in a protected class.
The VA spends billions on bureaucrats, lawyers, bonuses, junkets, windmills, solarpanels, and high executive salaries. They have something like 19,000 people making over $150,000 a year.

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feel free to offer examples where this kind of largescale systemic failure (resulting in deaths and terrible service) happens in the private sector without any consequence whatsoever.

[Clocker]

http://bit.ly/TRNWBL

Sometimes you just have to shake your head

The guy collapsed in a hospital, and hospital policy is to call 911, so that an ambulance can take him to a hospital?

[ArlJim78]

VA responds to request for appointment two years after the vet dies of brain cancer. incredibly at the bottom of the notice it had this statement;

“We are committed to providing primary care in a timely manner and would greatly appreciate a prompt response.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/07/vet-finally-gets-va-appointment-two-years-after-his-death/

Probably still doesn't top the one Ralph posted about it taking 30 minutes for the ambulance to reach a patient who collapsed in a VA hospital.