They're on to us

[Lefty]

At Yahoo, Peeps and others have noted that Tony K a
trk hcp at PEN has been giving sel. on HSH picks board,
and used HSH for confirmation. They are on to the fact
that there are no HSH DL's for PEN. They got us boys!
BUT WAIT, not so fast. I went to HSH picks and brght up
Tony K's selections. He gave sel's for GP mostly and some TB, BUT NO PEN!
As usual, Peeps, you are wrong about HSH.
Some things never change.
By the way, Tony K made a healthy profi on his picks.
HOW YOU DOIN'?

[Druther]

Oh, brother. Now Peopleplayer’s attacking Tony’s credibility. My disdain for that board notwithstanding I had to see this for myself.

Once again, it looks like something I said was used by Peep to twist and distort the facts to arrive at conclusions for his agenda.

I’m not going to waste my time with a lengthy explanation for any of this – with those clowns and clones it’s pointless.

But, Peep, HSH handles any track, including Penn National. I said it wasn’t included in MY download. I didn’t say that Tony didn’t download it.

And for the person on the Yahoo board who claims to be “HSH Insider” I have news for you: HSH doesn’t have a modeler for ANY track.

[TonyK@HSH]

Hey guys,

While it is true that Penn is not included in the HSH download, I can attest that the Penn picks did originate from HSH. I simply buy the ITS file and import it myself.

Lefty, I'm doin' great. I know I've been a bit quiet on the board but please don't read that as a negative sign. Life with 4 children and too many stalls to muck has been tough to manage. I fully intend on starting up the picks again, most likely with Pimlico (I love pick 4's). I'm just having trouble getting all my handicapping done far enough in advance and won't post any picks on the HSH board that I haven't researched. I realize that some members were playing the picks....and I don't want to steer these good guys in the wrong direction.

Tony

[PaceAdvantage]

The idiots who try to comment when they have not a clue always end up sounding like someone who comments on something they have not a clue about...duh??!!!

But, of course the all-knowing OZ (aka Peep), has to put his big ass clown foot into his big-ass clown mouth once again....



==PA

[PaceAdvantage]

I just went over there for the first time today and have now stopped laughing hard enough to post a follow-up. Peep is still pounding it out over there about how everyone was lying about PEN. He has no idea that there is more than one way to skin a cat when it comes to getting data for HSH. Of course he has no clue because he has never used the program....like it would be Soooooooooo difficult to get the PPs for PEN into HSH, especially when anyone who has ever researched the program KNOWS it uses ITS data...and ITS certainly has PEN available every day.

I say who gives a flying F either way as to what goes on where???!!!! If you don't like a program or a person, DON'T USE IT!! Why spread lies about it? The dude has a serious hidden agenda. I'd love to know just who greases this guys palm to pump and dump software, just as they do on the stock market boards. Wonder what rival software company is buttering Peep's bread. There seems to be no other rational explanation for his actions, not to mention his incredible devotion to the spreading of vicious lies and rumors.

==PA

[Lefty]

Peeps, you want to bet a C note that Tony did post Pen
picks. Well, you'd winm that one as I missed his picks at
PEN. But by now you know it's possible for HSH to get
every track.
But, I admit you are the MASTER.
The MASTER of taking posts out of context to make your
warped point.
I really don't believe that was Tony that posted picks at
Yahoo this morn. so if i'm right you are a MASTER
identity thief.
You say Dave hawks a mathematically incorrect bet
varizer. (your spelling) You are the MASTER of selective
memory. You seem to forget I gave you the results of
Dave's Opponent method against a set of selerctions
that YOU posed that broke even. On this set Dave's
method made a profit.
I still think you're mad because Dave gave you a bet
method and you made a big profit and instead of taking
some of that profit and putting it in your pocket you
foolishly pressed on like some crazed gambler unti you
lost it all. Instead of blaming yourself you blame Dave.
You are the Master of getting it all wrong.

[TonyK@HSH]

Hey Lefty,

You're right!! If there were picks posted at Yahoo they were certainly not posted by me. I try to stick to sites that are positive and constructive like Pa's and Dave's.

Tony

[Lefty]

Tony, I knew that. Peeps you've been exposed again.

[Lefty]

Peeps, you amaze even me. You ask me when i'm gonna
prove that Dave's method made money with your set of
break-even selections. Well, forgetful, we been there done that. We started at HTR and carried over here. Dave's method made a $14 profit from your break-even
selections. This board and HTR board has been revised
since then and I can't find that post but everyone that's
been on board awhile knows what i'm saying is true.
You say I asked Dave's help and he declined. Wasn't
that way at all. Your orig. post was to him and, class act
that he is, he declined to get involved with you and I
picked up the ball and ran with it. Not saying Opponent
method greatest thing since ice cream but it's pretty
damn good.
Now you give me a new sequence that starts out with
50 losers. Anyone that has fifty straight losers doesn't
need a betting method he needs handicapping lessons.
You told me to shut up. As long as you run down other
people's hard work with your twisted lies and as long
as you try to steal other's identities, I will not shut up.
There ya go.

[Lefty]

Peeps, I'll say one thing; you don't give up. The sequence was yours, and I followed it. I believe I did post the bets as they occured but I admit i'm not sure.
I said I couldn't give you the rules because of Dave's
copyright. I certainly have no vested interest in his product outside of the fact that I want him to have the
resources to keep improving it. Gee, I think Ken Massa
does the same, didn't I just see a new Impact DL over
at HTR?
You got a "hard on" for Dave and I think I know why but
i'm not sure and it really doesn't matter. It's your sour
stomach you have to live with.
You said Druther too cheap to DL Pen. Well, why don't
you spring for $29.95 for THE OPPONENT method and
you can run all the hypothetical series through it you care to. At least you'll know whereof you sperak for once.
When you do, prove it to me and I'll tell you the secret to making that last godawful series of bets you presented make a $4 profit. Not much but what a terrible test for any method.
And, guess what, Dave does not claim his method will
make profits from brk even or losing series. He does
say he believes his method outperforms flat betting and
the Kelly Method on MOST productive series of bets.
And don't say it's not possible if you don't have the method.
You know, people used to say you couldn't beat any of
the casino games. Along came Thorpe and the rest is
history.
Whoever has stolen Tony's identity is as low as they come.
If being nasty and a naysayer is how you and others gert your kicks, so be it. I just don't understand it, but
I don't understand serial killers and child molesters either.

[Druther]

Ah, Ha. Peep's figured out my situation. I'm broke and can't afford the buck-fifty. Drat, now the whole world is aware of my dire financial straits. Oh, well.

Man, what a bunch of gooney birds that board is. Why on earth does anyone bother with that board? Lefty, you might as well argue with a horse's behind.

Come to think of it, I think you already are.

The QVC board - aka, the PA board - deserves better than being used for this. I've come to accept that Peep will twist and distort anything I post here to his agenda, but I'm tired of hearing about what that clown says.

[Larry Hamilton]

Most of you have watched this unfold and are therefore aware of 3 things:

1) There is at least one crazy person over there--If crazy is defined as illogical and irrational--one pseudo intellectual and the other intellectually-challenged.

2) You cannot have a meaningful discussion with a crazy person.

3) Those who accept this craziness as harmless fun--and there are some over here too-- are more dangersous than the crazies.

The conclusion that works for me since I have been the butt of their attacks many times, is to never go over there. I have lost my constant anger and sleep easier now by deleting Yahoo from my machine.

A final note about "crazy". It is contageous.

[Tom]

There were some interesting and helpful posts and links over there in the begining-I went back to day one and read most of the postings up to about 8 or 900, then the whole board just turned into a nuthouse. I only go there now to read daffyduck's posts-he is my hero!
The DRF board is the same way-the bad thing about the internet is that people or some lower variations of the species that would not have the guts to speak up in the real world get brave sitting at home in their underwear
, surfing the boards, tryin gto shake of the fuzziness from the daily shock therapy, wondering if they remebered to take their medication. Most didn't but take it again anyway. Then the search for anyone with an opinion or comment and like a serial killer under a full moon they start to stalk, to plot, to plan, and their total emptiness of mind an spirit are channeled out from the attics they call brains and funnel through thier fingertips, through the keyboards, and onto the boards around the world.....
And I am rushing home from work every night just to read what they have to say!
Yikes!
I am not worried about global warming, but this scares the hell out of me.
Good Night.
(Hmmm, did I take that pill after dinner????)
Tom

[Lefty]

Yeah, I might be as crazy as he is. I just feel when someone spreads lies and misinformation if noone steps
forward to speak the truth then the lies , in the minds of
many, become the truth.
I'll try to resist anymore of this: I think I've made my point.

[Druther]

I think it's like driving the L.A. freeways. Someone "spits" on the roadway and everyone has to slow down and gawk to hopefully see someone with their guts spilled all over.

The strangest thing about that board is that they expouse hatred for PA and his QVC board yet they read it constantly. Indeed, the Yahoo board would be a wasteland were it not for their cut-and-psate.

Not an original thinker in the group. And here's something funny I noticed when last I saw that board. Mr. Big Itm - who calls himself ITM ATW over there - posted a bunch of selections there signing it as DonnyK or something like that. And it appeared here on this board under the handle of TruForm or something like that, also with the "signature" of TruForm.

Now, would Big ITM - who is the person calling PA's board the QVC board - really deign to be so hypocritical as to actually post on this board? Isn't it strange that people who blast others about the QVC board don't mind using it when it suits their purpose. Long live HDM or whatever the hell Mr. Big Mouth calls his crap. Ah, yes, however, he claims that HDM is and always will be free.

Funny thing, though, I can recall his partner in crime once asking people on this board what people would be willing to pay for what HDM will provide.

[Lefty]

I admit it, I'm sick as Peeps, cause I can't help but respond to his latest question. He asks if Dave doesn't claim OPPONENT METHOD makes a profit on brk even and losing series of bets then why do I? I DON'T. This all
started way back when Peeps posed a PARTICULAR series of bets that broke even and asked Dave how his bet methods would do on this PARTICULAR series of bets. I was simply curious so I took out my copy of one
of Dave's methods and ran the series. On this PARTICULAR series the darn thing made a little money.
I did not claim it would make money on ANY series of bets. So Peeps, wrong again. BTW, I did not compare you to serial killers and child molesters I just said I didn't
understand them. I agree, maybe too strong so, I Will
compare you to mastering Clinton Speak and memory and you or someone else as being no better than any identity thief.
I think the record's straight once more but i'm afraid only to be distorted by you on the morrow. Till then, parting is such sweet pleasure.

[PaceAdvantage]

Isn't it amazing how they all say my board sucks and whatnot (I believe the grand master Peep even went so far as to call my board 'Trash'), yet they can't keep themselves from checking this board every day, multiple times a day. I'm happy to provide them with material so they can keep their own board(s) chugging along. Every town needs a sewer system I suppose....


==PA

[Larry Hamilton]

State of Alabama made a law just this last Friday against identity theft. If you can show a value of $250 loss, they can be charged with a felony identiy theft = 10 years and 1/2 m fine max. Don't see how the state of Alabama can pursue theft over the internet, but is there any doubt they have caused at least that much loss to business and advertising on the internet. Some law enforcement agency will be forced to handle these kinds of felons..hopefully soon.

Probably won't amount to much as they can both plead insanity and prove it with their own posts.