Oklahoma botches execution...Gets standing ovation...

[TJDave]

From me. :ThmbUp:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/04/29/oklahoma-execution-botched-inmate-still-dies-second-execution-delayed/


Lockett, 38, has been on death row for more than a decade for the 1999 murder of Stephanie Neiman. Neiman and a friend came to visit Bobby Bornt as he was being robbed and beaten in his home in Perry by Lockett and two accomplices.

All three men raped Neiman’s friend and kidnapped both women, as well as Bornt and his infant son. The three men took them to a secluded area in the early morning hours where Lockett shot Neiman twice before an accomplice buried her alive. In his videotaped confession to the crimes, Lockett testified he killed Neiman because he believed she would alert authorities.

[GaryG]

A standing O from me as well. What the hell, he is dead and that was the idea. These chemicals are a waste of money anyway, one bullet would do the job. Florida stopped using the electric chair after one of the victims got a nosebleed. I doubt that nosebleed was of much concern to him.

[Tom]

Executions should be carried out in the exact same manner the victims died.
No exceptions. That way, how can you call it cruel and unusual when the standard was set by the convict?

[xtb]

Stephanie Neiman suffered much longer and horribly than this guy, I don't see a problem with how he was executed.

[Robert Goren]

the anti death penalty people never want to talk about crime.

[johnhannibalsmith]

the anti death penalty people never want to talk about crime.

Is that a line from an Edie Brickell tune?

[HUSKER55]

I still think it should be a public hanging and everyone packs a picnic lunch and watches.

[Stillriledup]

I still think it should be a public hanging and everyone packs a picnic lunch and watches.

They should lock this guy in a room with the deceased's entire family and let them get their pound of flesh.

[Tall One]

A standing O from me as well. What the hell, he is dead and that was the idea. These chemicals are a waste of money anyway, one bullet would do the job. Florida stopped using the electric chair after one of the victims got a nosebleed. I doubt that nosebleed was of much concern to him.


+1...they made this degenerate out to be the victim here. But what about his victims. Didn't know the details until reading the thread, but a bullet to the head sounds so much....better. Here in Kentucky, pretty sure they get an option. Needle, or Old Sparky. ;)

[PhantomOnTour]

Executions should be carried out in the exact same manner the victims died.
No exceptions. That way, how can you call it cruel and unusual when the standard was set by the convict?
I just can't imagine them forcing Lee Harvey Oswald to drive thru downtown Dallas :rolleyes:

[Marshall Bennett]

Never understood why hangings were stopped. It's suppose to be the most painless form of execution ever used in this country. A guillotine is even better. :)

[Tall One]

Never understood why hangings were stopped. It's suppose to be the most painless form of execution ever used in this country. A guillotine is even better. :)


Cleaning up the urine and shit must've offended somebody.. :faint:

[RaceBookJoe]

Cleaning up the urine and shit must've offended somebody.. :faint:

OK ok, i'll say...at least it would give the country 1 shovel ready job :)

[elysiantraveller]

the anti death penalty people never want to talk about crime.
I'm against the death penalty but not for any reasons pertinent to this story. I have no real problem with Lockett being put to death. I also disagree with some media outlets attempting to make him a victim in all of this. The real problem people could have though is the issue of cruel and unusual punishment. I personally want them to get the procedure right if they are going to execute people but for some anti-death penalty people this has no bearing on why they feel the way they do.

[tucker6]

I'm against the death penalty but not for any reasons pertinent to this story. I have no real problem with Lockett being put to death. I also disagree with some media outlets attempting to make him a victim in all of this. The real problem people could have though is the issue of cruel and unusual punishment. I personally want them to get the procedure right if they are going to execute people but for some anti-death penalty people this has no bearing on why they feel the way they do.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but your post brought up this question. What is cruel and unusual? Isn't that similar to what the SCOTUS said about porn. You know it when you see it. Is feeling ANY pain or suffering cruel and unusual? It seems to be a high bar to me. To be on death row means you're a true scumbag, and likely caused havoc to others and created a multitude of pain and suffering. A little pain at the end shouldn't phase such a person. It's just politics.

[Tom]

I just can't imagine them forcing Lee Harvey Oswald to drive thru downtown Dallas :rolleyes:

Two words for you....Pay for View.

Contestants get three shots each, from the same window.
Say the secret word and you get a bonus shot from the grassy knoll.

[Tom]

When they give them the needle, why do they bother with the alcohol wipe on the arm first????

[PhantomOnTour]

Two words for you....Pay for View.

Contestants get three shots each, from the same window.
Say the secret word and you get a bonus shot from the grassy knoll.
:lol:
Great, but who's gonna sit next to him?
:lol:

[elysiantraveller]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but your post brought up this question. What is cruel and unusual? Isn't that similar to what the SCOTUS said about porn. You know it when you see it. Is feeling ANY pain or suffering cruel and unusual? It seems to be a high bar to me. To be on death row means you're a true scumbag, and likely caused havoc to others and created a multitude of pain and suffering. A little pain at the end shouldn't phase such a person. It's just politics.
Sure its subjective but there have been court rulings on it. Its pretty easy in this case that when a method didn't work as planned it would be cruel as it caused unintended pain and unusual for the same reason.

[tucker6]

Sure its subjective but there have been court rulings on it. Its pretty easy in this case that when a method didn't work as planned it would be cruel as it caused unintended pain and unusual for the same reason.
I could say so what that it didn't work as planned and caused more pain than intended. Is the pain cruel beyond reasonableness?? I really don't think so. It not like they intended to inflict pain and suffering like he intended and DID do to others.

[johnhannibalsmith]

The problem with the death penalty is that people that support it hate the way that it is utilized with the caveats for proper implementation and the need to exhaust appeals to ensure due process.

So why bother?

If the method of murder is never good or equitable enough to allegedly right some wrong, the effort at due process to avoid ruining it for everyone by killing the innocent is a complete waste of taxpayer money, and it sure as hell doesn't seem to be a very effective deterrent, if such a thing exists, then what is the god damned point?

And yes, it is rhetorical, because I do think that there is a point, but I doubt very many see it that way.

[elysiantraveller]

I could say so what that it didn't work as planned and caused more pain than intended. Is the pain cruel beyond reasonableness?? I really don't think so. It not like they intended to inflict pain and suffering like he intended and DID do to others.
As long as they get it right going forward I don't see this as an indictment against the death penalty. Mistakes happen.

[elysiantraveller]

The problem with the death penalty is that people that support it hate the way that it is utilized with the caveats for proper implementation and the need to exhaust appeals to ensure due process.

So why bother?

If the method of murder is never good or equitable enough to allegedly right some wrong, the effort at due process to avoid ruining it for everyone by killing the innocent is a complete waste of taxpayer money, and it sure as hell doesn't seem to be a very effective deterrent, if such a thing exists, then what is the god damned point?

And yes, it is rhetorical, because I do think that there is a point, but I doubt very many see it that way.
Essentially the way I see it.

Plus, for me, the moral injustice of potentially executing one innocent far outweighs the perceived justice of killing the guilty.

[Actor]

Executions should be carried out in the exact same manner the victims died.
No exceptions.The problem with that is that executions have to be carried out by people who are presumably not homicidal monsters. In this case the victim was buried alive. Not many people would be willing to do that to another person no matter how heinous his crime. You'd have to recruit some sicko and possibly whet his appetite for the experience, sewing the seeds for another atrocity.

The condemned is usually offered tranquilizers to calm him/her down. It's not for the condemned's benefit. It's so that the execution team does not get traumatized by having to deal with a panicked person. When the condemned refuses the tranquilizers (his right in most states) the execution team knows they are in for an experience that is more traumatic than usual.

[Robert Goren]

The problem with that is that executions have to be carried out by people who are presumably not homicidal monsters. In this case the victim was buried alive. Not many people would be willing to do that to another person no matter how heinous his crime. You'd have to recruit some sicko and possibly whet his appetite for the experience, sewing the seeds for another atrocity.

The condemned is usually offered tranquilizers to calm him/her down. It's not for the condemned's benefit. It's so that the execution team does not get traumatized by having to deal with a panicked person. When the condemned refuses the tranquilizers (his right in most states) the execution team knows they are in for an experience that is more traumatic than usual.Good point. despite all the rhetoric posted here and in other places, we are not cut from the same cloth as the sickos we execute.

[PaceAdvantage]

The older I get, the more I disagree with capital punishment.

I don't think a civil society should be putting people to death, for any reason.

I think a lifelong prison term is a much crueler and just punishment then mercifully ending the life of a true scumbag whack job. Let him rot in the hell that is prison. Yes, they get to live while their victims did not, but prison isn't living...I don't care how much cable TV or warm meals they get. I'm sure it's fairly bleak living out a life in a maximum security prison.

And yes, the taxpayers are footing the bill for the lifelong term behind bars, but you know, they're footing the bill for all those years on death row too, and the execution itself, which has to be pretty expensive.

My 2 cents.

[Marshall Bennett]

The older I get, the more I disagree with capital punishment.

I don't think a civil society should be putting people to death, for any reason

Fifty or a hundred years ago I might have agreed with you. As our justice system gets more and more liberal, however, the chances of these scumbags walking free one day increases. Susan Atkins had a huge support group lobbying to set her free as a born-again christian, and many thought she'd be set free because she didn't have long to live. We all know what her and Manson's pawns did. Liberal's hearts bleed for even the lowest form of human waste on earth, Id rather see them dead than take that chance.

[JustRalph]

In it's current form, it's a joke.

In unequivocal cases, the execution should come within 7 days of conviction.

That would be an actual deterrent

[fast4522]

I do not disagree with capital punishment, but government seems to screw up everything it runs. I think it would be easy to set up an agreement with some country in Africa to make exit and loss of citizenship forever from the United States to that country for serious crimes against us. Empty our prisons and dump the costs. Could you think within seven days of conviction of murder, child molestation, third strike major drug distribution etc. someone is deported and barred for life entry into the United States?

[tucker6]

I do not disagree with capital punishment, but government seems to screw up everything it runs. I think it would be easy to set up an agreement with some country in Africa to make exit and loss of citizenship forever from the United States to that country for serious crimes against us. Empty our prisons and dump the costs. Could you think within seven days of conviction of murder, child molestation, third strike major drug distribution etc. someone is deported and barred for life entry into the United States?
sounds like Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convicts_in_Australia

[GaryG]

I do not disagree with capital punishment, but government seems to screw up everything it runs. I think it would be easy to set up an agreement with some country in Africa to make exit and loss of citizenship forever from the United States to that country for serious crimes against us. Empty our prisons and dump the costs. Could you think within seven days of conviction of murder, child molestation, third strike major drug distribution etc. someone is deported and barred for life entry into the United States?That sound like the deal that Jimmy Carter made with Castro, the Marielitos. Good deal for Castro, not so good for us.

[Robert Goren]

Fifty or a hundred years ago I might have agreed with you. As our justice system gets more and more liberal, however, the chances of these scumbags walking free one day increases. Susan Atkins had a huge support group lobbying to set her free as a born-again christian, and many thought she'd be set free because she didn't have long to live. We all know what her and Manson's pawns did. Liberal's hearts bleed for even the lowest form of human waste on earth, Id rather see them dead than take that chance.Susan Atkins died in prison and despite a lot of sickening publicity she was never close to being released. Even at end when she paralyzed and nearly dead from cancer, there was no chance she going to get parole. California is not Scotland, at least not yet.

[Robert Goren]

I do not disagree with capital punishment, but government seems to screw up everything it runs. I think it would be easy to set up an agreement with some country in Africa to make exit and loss of citizenship forever from the United States to that country for serious crimes against us. Empty our prisons and dump the costs. Could you think within seven days of conviction of murder, child molestation, third strike major drug distribution etc. someone is deported and barred for life entry into the United States?No country would want the people condemned to death here. You might find some country to take people convicted of white collar crimes though. The thought of being force to live in some third world country might act as a deterrent for some crooked banker.:rolleyes:

[Bettowin]

Cleaning up the urine and shit must've offended somebody.. :faint:


We have adult diapers now. No problem.

[Robert Goren]

That sound like the deal that Jimmy Carter made with Castro, the Marielitos. Good deal for Castro, not so good for us.Actual it was a deal made with the Cuban refugees in Florida who didn't want anybody sent back to Cuba. (they still don't) Castro took advantage of it to get rid of his career criminals and people with mental problems.

[fast4522]

No country would want the people condemned to death here. You might find some country to take people convicted of white collar crimes though. The thought of being force to live in some third world country might act as a deterrent for some crooked banker.:rolleyes:

You would be completely surprised what a country that has next to nothing would be willing to do like that. The irony is if you get caught stealing or worse your likely to have your hand cut off if your lucky and not your head.

[JustRalph]

Cleaning up the urine and shit must've offended somebody.. :faint:

I've helped cut two down. Neither time was that a problem. It doesn't always happen

[Tom]

You would be completely surprised what a country that has next to nothing would be willing to do like that. The irony is if you get caught stealing or worse your likely to have your hand cut off if your lucky and not your head.

What if they catch you committing adultery? :eek:

[fast4522]

Normally I would have a quick comeback, but might defer to Sammy on that one.