Who do you hope gets post 1?

[Smarty Cide]

For me i hope Tapiture gets it because he is probably the best horse that i will not play at all....

[Leparoux]

Chrome

[HuggingTheRail]

Chrome +1

[Smarty Cide]

haters gonna hate



but that would make this derby wide open... the 1 post is a death sentence

[SecretAgentMan]

LoL@ Chrome haters ........

Hoppertunity or Dance Fate & I hope Vicar gets the #20 hole

[SecretAgentMan]

haters gonna hate



but that would make this derby wide open... the 1 post is a death sentence


There is a lot of hate for Chrome & I'm hoping that transfers over to getting 3-1 on derby day

[Smarty Cide]

wonder if we get a 3-1 morning line

[HuggingTheRail]

I didn`t necessarily agree with Chrome because I am a hater, maybe I think it will get me slightly better odds...?

[BlueChip@DRF]

California Chrome - if he's the best as all his groupies say he is, then it shouldn't matter what post he gets.

[BlueChip@DRF]

For me i hope Tapiture gets it because he is probably the best horse that i will not play at all....

Haters gonna hate :cool:

[BlueChip@DRF]

I didn`t necessarily agree with Chrome because I am a hater, maybe I think it will get me slightly better odds...?


I'll grab a HUGE win bet on him if he's 4/1.

[RaceTrackDaddy]

California Chrome - if he's the best as all his groupies say he is, then it shouldn't matter what post he gets.
Normally I am a harness and greyhound player that dabbles in thoroughbreds when I am at the track. But this year, I was really interested in a youngster name Candy Boy. Followed him at SA until I saw California Chrome. Seems like with each succeeding start, he gets heavier, stronger and looks more unbeatable on the track. That last start in the SA Derby was as impressive against the boys as Untapable was against the girls down at Fairgrounds.

Yes, I will be playing a (# 13) / (# ?) Oaks Derby DD on Friday..Untapable with California Chrome...both can breeze out the gate and be right off the leader's shoulder wearing them down and explode once they hit the lane. Really hate the 13th post and am crossing my fingers for a post for Chrome anywhere between 6 and 15.

[Leparoux]

I'm not a hater I just think it would make this Derby complete chaos... and I am a fan of that.

[BettinBilly]

For me i hope Tapiture gets it because he is probably the best horse that i will not play at all....

;):ThmbUp:

[Thebigguy]

haters gonna hate



but that would make this derby wide open... the 1 post is a death sentence


This is rich. Your all over this website talking about how your all in on a 2-1 shot in a 20 horse race. Its insane.

[bgbootha]

Is post one really a death sentence? I want data....

http://blog.twinspires.com/2012/04/post-one-poppycock.html

[Stillriledup]

Whoever Baffert trains. I hear post 1 is the "best post" as its the shortest distance between two points. ;)

Only want the best for Bob, would be great for racing if one of racing's brightest training stars were to win.

[mostpost]

haters gonna hate



but that would make this derby wide open... the 1 post is a death sentence
People keep saying that, but it is simply not true.

Here are the post positions and the number of wins since 1900:

1 – 12
2 – 9
3 – 8
4 – 10
5 – 12
6 – 6
7 – 8
8 – 10
9 – 4
10 – 10
11 – 3
12 – 3
13 – 4
14 – 2
15 – 3
16 – 3
17 – 0
18 – 1
19 – 0
20 - 2

Post Position # 1 is tied for the most wins with 12. I admit the numbers for the outside posts are skewed negatively because many Derbys did not have that many starters. But I think most Derbys after 1900 had at least ten.

Then there was the post somewhere here which stated that in races with 18 or more starters the horse breaking from Post Position #1 had won only one time out of 28 races. That was incorrect in two ways. First, there were 32 such races. Second there were two winners from post one; Black Gold in 1924 and War Admiral in 1937.

Here is what is more important. Only three post positions recorded three or more wins in those thirty two races. Sixteen post positions recorded two or less wins. That does not seem to me like a death sentence.



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/56722/winning-kentucky-derby-post-positions#ixzz30Kwz83Vx

[mostpost]

Is post one really a death sentence? I want data....

http://blog.twinspires.com/2012/04/post-one-poppycock.html
What I said.

[SecretAgentMan]

People keep saying that, but it is simply not true.

Here are the post positions and the number of wins since 1900:

1 – 12
2 – 9
3 – 8
4 – 10
5 – 12
6 – 6
7 – 8
8 – 10
9 – 4
10 – 10
11 – 3
12 – 3
13 – 4
14 – 2
15 – 3
16 – 3
17 – 0
18 – 1
19 – 0
20 - 2

Post Position # 1 is tied for the most wins with 12. I admit the numbers for the outside posts are skewed negatively because many Derbys did not have that many starters. But I think most Derbys after 1900 had at least ten.

Then there was the post somewhere here which stated that in races with 18 or more starters the horse breaking from Post Position #1 had won only one time out of 28 races. That was incorrect in two ways. First, there were 32 such races. Second there were two winners from post one; Black Gold in 1924 and War Admiral in 1937.

Here is what is more important. Only three post positions recorded three or more wins in those thirty two races. Sixteen post positions recorded two or less wins. That does not seem to me like a death sentence.



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/56722/winning-kentucky-derby-post-positions#ixzz30Kwz83Vx


I thought #20 post had only won once & I'll Have Another won from post #19 in 2012

[bgbootha]

People keep saying that, but it is simply not true.

Here are the post positions and the number of wins since 1900:

1 – 12
2 – 9
3 – 8
4 – 10
5 – 12
6 – 6
7 – 8
8 – 10
9 – 4
10 – 10
11 – 3
12 – 3
13 – 4
14 – 2
15 – 3
16 – 3
17 – 0
18 – 1
19 – 0
20 - 2

Post Position # 1 is tied for the most wins with 12. I admit the numbers for the outside posts are skewed negatively because many Derbys did not have that many starters. But I think most Derbys after 1900 had at least ten.

Then there was the post somewhere here which stated that in races with 18 or more starters the horse breaking from Post Position #1 had won only one time out of 28 races. That was incorrect in two ways. First, there were 32 such races. Second there were two winners from post one; Black Gold in 1924 and War Admiral in 1937.

Here is what is more important. Only three post positions recorded three or more wins in those thirty two races. Sixteen post positions recorded two or less wins. That does not seem to me like a death sentence.



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/56722/winning-kentucky-derby-post-positions#ixzz30Kwz83Vx

This isn't quality useful data to a certain extent. The number of starters varied so much at the beginning that the 1 spot shoudl have a higher number

[mostpost]

I thought #20 post had only won once & I'll Have Another won from post #19 in 2012
You are correct and you are wrong. I'll have another did win from 19 in 2012. I have him listed in my stats on races with more than 18 starters. The list I copied and pasted from the Blood Horse article does not.
Clyde Van Dusen in 1929 and Big Brown in 2008 won from 20.

[PaceAdvantage]

LoL@ Chrome haters ........

Hoppertunity or Dance Fate & I hope Vicar gets the #20 holeYou know what I hate? People using the way-overplayed "haters." Isn't that "word" outdated by now?

Whenever I see or read the word "haters" it's like nails on a chalkboard.

[taxicab]

The question should be: Since they went to 20 horses how many winners have come from the 1 hole ?
In a 20 horse field if a horse runs a straight line from the 1 hole he will crash into the rail after the gap. :eek:

[SecretAgentMan]

The question should be: Since they went to 20 horses how many winners have come from the 1 hole ?
In a 20 horse field if a horse runs a straight line from the 1 hole he will crash into the rail after the gap. :eek:


Good question, I would like to know that as well...........

[SecretAgentMan]

You are correct and you are wrong. I'll have another did win from 19 in 2012. I have him listed in my stats on races with more than 18 starters. The list I copied and pasted from the Blood Horse article does not.
Clyde Van Dusen in 1929 and Big Brown in 2008 won from 20.


Clyde ran before my grandmother was born.........but now I do remember all the hype about no one winning from 20th hole since 1929. They were beating that angle into the ground .

They did the gelding & NY angle in 2003. I believe most angles were broken after 1999. The big angle that remains is the 1882 Apollo angle.

What angle are they beating into the public this year?

No Cal bred has was since 1962? No non-raced as a 2 year old........

[BlueChip@DRF]

Clyde ran before my grandmother was born.........but now I do remember all the hype about no one winning from 20th hole since 1929. They were beating that angle into the ground .

They did the gelding & NY angle in 2003. I believe most angles were broken after 1999. The big angle that remains is the 1882 Apollo angle.

What angle are they beating into the public this year?

No Cal bred has was since 1962? No non-raced as a 2 year old........

Anyone picked by me. (Since 1978) 1-for-36 :(

[SecretAgentMan]

Anyone picked by me. (Since 1978) 1-for-36 :(


Holy cow.......good luck this year!

[Smarty Cide]

This is rich. Your all over this website talking about how your all in on a 2-1 shot in a 20 horse race. Its insane.



well all in on exotics i will not be placing a win bet... no point


'this is rich'??? not getting the lingo but hell god forbid someone like the favorite.


just gotta cross my fingers and hope he dont draw the 1... draw the 20 and no problem... just not the 1

[Smarty Cide]

People keep saying that, but it is simply not true.

Here are the post positions and the number of wins since 1900:

1 – 12
2 – 9
3 – 8
4 – 10
5 – 12
6 – 6
7 – 8
8 – 10
9 – 4
10 – 10
11 – 3
12 – 3
13 – 4
14 – 2
15 – 3
16 – 3
17 – 0
18 – 1
19 – 0
20 - 2

Post Position # 1 is tied for the most wins with 12. I admit the numbers for the outside posts are skewed negatively because many Derbys did not have that many starters. But I think most Derbys after 1900 had at least ten.

Then there was the post somewhere here which stated that in races with 18 or more starters the horse breaking from Post Position #1 had won only one time out of 28 races. That was incorrect in two ways. First, there were 32 such races. Second there were two winners from post one; Black Gold in 1924 and War Admiral in 1937.

Here is what is more important. Only three post positions recorded three or more wins in those thirty two races. Sixteen post positions recorded two or less wins. That does not seem to me like a death sentence.



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/56722/winning-kentucky-derby-post-positions#ixzz30Kwz83Vx



i just think of Lookin at Lucky - didnt work out well fo rhim, thought he was a good horse too

[BlueChip@DRF]

For me i hope Tapiture gets it because he is probably the best horse that i will not play at all....

YES! #15! In face of yours! :cool:

[Longshot6977]

Watching the draw now on NBC Sports channel. Here's the full list.

:1: Vicar's in Trouble
:2: Harry's Holiday
:3: Uncle Sigh
:4: Danza
:5: California Chrome
:6: Samraat
:7: We Miss Artie
:8: General A Rod
:9: Vinceremos
:10: Wildcat Red
:11: Hoppertunity
:12: Dance with Fate
:13: Chitu
:14: Medal Count
:15: Tapiture
:16: Intense Holiday
:17: Commanding Curve
:18: Candy Boy
:19: Ride on Curlin
:20: Wicked Strong