Sebelius resigns

[JustRalph]

I smell a rat.......

Sebelius resigns now?

What's about to come out?

Just like her goofy father, she goes into history a failure

[Clocker]

I smell a rat.......

Sebelius resigns now?

What's about to come out?

It's another deflection ahead of the elections in November. The Dems can say that this is a big step to fix the problems of ObamaCare.

Also, Obama has already announced his nomination to replace Sebelius, Sylvia Mathews Burwell, the director of the Office of Management and Budget. Burwell appears to be more competent and less political than Sebelius. So while the confirmation hearings will be an attack on ObamaCare, the Dems will spin it as an undeserved attack on Burwell and a continuation of the GOP war on women.

[JustRalph]

The Obamacare programmers are staging a massive strike after hearing about Sebelius!

They have walked out in Kansas!

[lamboguy]

Ralph is right as usual, this gal is probably going to take the fall for this mess. thats the way it works in politics.

[JustRalph]

She's going to get the blame when they get caught cooking the books.

She'll be sitting at home drawing a pension when the cat gets out of the bag

[davew]

She's going to get the blame when they get caught cooking the books.

She'll be sitting at home drawing a pension when the cat gets out of the bag

This is the most transparent administration in our lifetimes.

[Clocker]

It wasn't covered by the media at the time, but Obama figuratively gave her the back of his hand in his victory lap over the sign-ups. At the press conference in the Rose Garden (http://twitchy.com/2014/04/01/did-president-snub-kathleen-sebelius-during-rose-garden-speech/) announcing Mission Accomplished, Obama and Biden were at the podium while Sebelius sat in the audience. She apparently wasn't even mentioned as Obama gave shout outs to several people for good jobs.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius made the rounds of the Rose Garden Tuesday afternoon, giving hug after hug as the audience gathered for President Obama’s Obamacare victory lap.

However, many found it strange that Sebelius didn’t receive a “shout-out” from the president during his remarks, while Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin did.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Maybe she's just completely and totally ****ing sick of politics and didn't realize that she had signed up quite for this. I can't stand the sight of her, but I've got to imagine she's probably had just about enough to warrant quitting even if there is no buried scandal.

[Clocker]

Maybe she's just completely and totally ****ing sick of politics and didn't realize that she had signed up quite for this.

She has been in politics all her life, so she knew a lot of what she was getting into. What she probably wasn't ready for, and what is coming out more and more lately, is the lack of support from Obama, and the micromanaging by the White House.

[tucker6]

Ralph is right as usual, this gal is probably going to take the fall for this mess. thats the way it works in politics.
what mess? I heard it was mission accomplished. What did I miss??

[Clocker]

what mess? I heard it was mission accomplished. What did I miss??

You missed that the Mission Accomplished victory lap took place on April Fools Day. Obama and Biden are such kidders. Those guys are just a laugh a minute.

[johnhannibalsmith]

... is the lack of support from Obama...

That's kinda what I was driving towards... after being on the "victorious" side of dirty politics time and time again, bearing the burden of the other end of the spectrum seems to have really pissed that old gal off.

[Clocker]

after being on the "victorious" side of dirty politics time and time again, bearing the burden of the other end of the spectrum seems to have really pissed that old gal off.

Dirty politics in the heartland of Kansas doesn't prepare you for the major leagues. She stepped into the buzz saw of dirty politics Chicago-style in the Obama administration, and was in way over her head. ;)

[NJ Stinks]

I smell a rat.......

Sebelius resigns now?

What's about to come out?

Just like her goofy father, she goes into history a failure

Maybe she just retired because she'll be 66 next month and decided she did enough. Or maybe she just got tired of being slammed every night on FOX News.

At any rate, what does a rat smell like? :rolleyes:

[davew]

Some people just have a hard time lying on a daily basis.

[Tom]

It's another deflection ahead of the elections in November. The Dems can say that this is a big step to fix the problems of ObamaCare.

Also, Obama has already announced his nomination to replace Sebelius, Sylvia Mathews Burwell, the director of the Office of Management and Budget. Burwell appears to be more competent and less political than Sebelius. So while the confirmation hearings will be an attack on ObamaCare, the Dems will spin it as an undeserved attack on Burwell and a continuation of the GOP war on women.
And, the big thing, she will work 12% cheaper than a man would for that job.

[reckless]

At any rate, what does a rat smell like? :rolleyes:

Guess who?


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uZXKi3S4ekg/TSSXbb1yAdI/AAAAAAAACTU/_R77s_S26Ls/s400/al-sharpton.j

[Clocker]

Some people just have a hard time lying on a daily basis.

If she couldn't handle that, it's just more proof that she wasn't qualified for the job.

[tucker6]

And, the big thing, she will work 12% cheaper than a man would for that job.
If men stayed home and left women do all the work, our economy would boom. :D

[Robert Goren]

Some people just have a hard time lying on a daily basis.Not the people at Fox News. :rolleyes:

[GaryG]

Not the people at Fox News. :rolleyes:How about a few examples?

[Clocker]

Gotta give Sebelius props for consistency. In the middle of formally announcing her resignation, she found a page of her speech was missing. Her entire tenure summed up in the last moment.

[Bettowin]

Gotta give Sebelius props for consistency. In the middle of formally announcing her resignation, she found a page of her speech was missing. Her entire tenure summed up in the last moment.

Really? You can't make that stuff up. Obama probably had someone take it just to make her look bad on the way out:)

[davew]

Gotta give Sebelius props for consistency. In the middle of formally announcing her resignation, she found a page of her speech was missing. Her entire tenure summed up in the last moment.

It was the last page, probably the one thanking 0bama the opportunity to work with his transparent racist regime.

[Clocker]

Really? You can't make that stuff up.

I don't know if it really happened. It's at Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/11/hhs-sebelius-botches-farewell-speech/), and you know how they lie. :p

[Clocker]

Obama probably had someone take it just to make her look bad on the way out:)

If I like your speech, you can keep your speech. -- Barack Obama

[JustRalph]

And, the big thing, she will work 12% cheaper than a man would for that job.

Great post :ThmbUp:

[dartman51]

Maybe she just retired because she'll be 66 next month and decided she did enough. Or maybe she just got tired of being slammed every night on FOX News.

At any rate, what does a rat smell like? :rolleyes:

She had every right to be slammed on FOX, but it wasn't EVERY night. She wanted to resign earlier, but the admin. wanted her to stay until after the sign up deadline. That was reported on FOX as well. In spite of what some may think, she is not stupid. She knows that the roll out was a mess, and with all the delays of mandates, she also knows that the problems aren't over. For the record, the only rat I smell, is the bill itself. :ThmbUp:

[GaryG]

With Lerner she makes two women recently sacrificed at the altar of the Anointed One. Pelosi recently was crowing about how democrats will proudly run on Obamacare during the upcoming elections. Take another victory lap Barry.

[Clocker]

With Lerner she makes two women recently sacrificed at the altar of the Anointed One.

Will Lerner get sentenced to jail time that's 88% of what a man would get?

[davew]

Will Lerner get sentenced to jail time that's 88% of what a man would get?

She is a hero to many.

[Tom]

So was John Gotti.

[Robert Goren]

The Sebeliusmess will give pause to anyone who serves in government. The lesson from this is to be really careful to whom you award a contract to. The people who got ACA contract were in way over there head and could not deliver what they agreed to do. I suspect they knew they were in to deep the minute they signed the contract because excuses began almost immediately. Perhaps I am a bit bias here because I at one time felt the heat because of broken promise and downright lies from code writers. Everything can be easily done according to them when they are signing the contracts. That story changes once the ink starts to dry. I urge anybody who deals with them to do your homework before you sign on the dotted line. At least triple check them. And do not deal with them no matter how cheap they bid if they have had even single minor problem in the past.

[tucker6]

The Sebeliusmess will give pause to anyone who serves in government. The lesson from this is to be really careful to whom you award a contract to.
I agree with you, but this falls under the, "no sh!t sherlock" section. Anyone in govt or private sector in a position such as hers has a responsibility to perform due diligence on everything passing through their depts, and to train subordinates to do likewise.

[Clocker]

The lesson from this is to be really careful to whom you award a contract to. The people who got ACA contract were in way over there head and could not deliver what they agreed to do.

All of this falls on Sebelius and her people. The contracts were heavily influenced by politics and cronyism. Some of the biggest criticism of the whole project, coming from apparently objective sources in the private sector, were about the government decision not to hire a general contractor, but to keep that role in house. There was no demonstrated ability to handle that function within HHS.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren
The lesson from this is to be really careful to whom you award a contract to.

That means it was her fault.

[davew]

That means it was her fault.

What if she was told who was going to do the job?

First Lady Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that earned the no-bid contract to build the failed Obamacare website.
Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the no-bid contract to build the $678 million Obamacare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov. CGI Federal is the U.S. arm of a Canadian company.
Townes-Whitley and her Princeton classmate Michelle Obama are both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.

[Robert Goren]

That means it was her fault. It was. But what gets me is the contractors are getting pass. Why aren't they in front of some house and/or senate committee being grilled on why they took the government for a ride?

[Clocker]

It was. But what gets me is the contractors are getting pass. Why aren't they in front of some house and/or senate committee being grilled on why they took the government for a ride?

That would open a huge can of worms that the administration would just as soon bury. There were many complaints and/or excuses from contractors about the HHS' role as general contractor and about endless delays and last minute changes by the administration regarding what they wanted the site to do and how it should operate.

[Robert Goren]

That would open a huge can of worms that the administration would just as soon bury. There were many complaints and/or excuses from contractors about the HHS' role as general contractor and about endless delays and last minute changes by the administration regarding what they wanted the site to do and how it should operate. Then you think the GOP house would be all over it, wouldn't you?

[Clocker]

Then you think the GOP house would be all over it, wouldn't you?

Can't get blood out of a stone. There is no argument that the website was a train wreck, so there is no political advantage to be gained on that issue.

[GaryG]

Then you think the GOP house would be all over it, wouldn't you?Republicans would never have created a cluster pluck like this. Rushed through the dem congress even though nobody knew exactly what was in it. Then try an patch it up and modify it on the fly. It will be gutted before it ever becomes law. Yes Joe, this is truly a BFD. A fine legacy for a failed racist regime.

[Clocker]

It will be gutted before it ever becomes law.

It already has been gutted. There is no employer mandate, and no indication that there ever will be one. There is no effective individual mandate, and won't be for the foreseeable future. We have been told for years that those are vital to the program.

And all indications are that the program is not economically sustainable, and will require higher insurance premiums and more government funds. Who could have guessed?

[tucker6]

It already has been gutted. There is no employer mandate, and no indication that there ever will be one. There is no effective individual mandate, and won't be for the foreseeable future. We have been told for years that those are vital to the program.

And all indications are that the program is not economically sustainable, and will require higher insurance premiums and more government funds. Who could have guessed?
when you refer to more govt funds, do you intend to mean the Obama money tree?

[Clocker]

when you refer to more govt funds, do you intend to mean the Obama money tree?

The ACA law includes a little gem called "risk corridors". This authorizes payments by the government to insurers who lose money because they get too many high risk policy holders and not enough young and healthy. It is already assumed that such payments will be made for this year, the only question being how much.

Also, the economics of the program were predicated on the government side of it getting funding from employer fines from those that opted to pay the fine rather than provide insurance to their employees, and from fines, or taxes, or Individual Shared Responsibility Payments from individuals without insurance. With the employer mandate moribund if not buried, and with the individual mandate on effective indefinite hold, those funds will have to come out of general revenues. Or general borrowing.

[tucker6]

The ACA law includes a little gem called "risk corridors". This authorizes payments by the government to insurers who lose money because they get too many high risk policy holders and not enough young and healthy. It is already assumed that such payments will be made for this year, the only question being how much.

Also, the economics of the program were predicated on the government side of it getting funding from employer fines from those that opted to pay the fine rather than provide insurance to their employees, and from fines, or taxes, or Individual Shared Responsibility Payments from individuals without insurance. With the employer mandate moribund if not buried, and with the individual mandate on effective indefinite hold, those funds will have to come out of general revenues. Or general borrowing.
So what you are saying is that the taxpayer will now subsidize insurers for no meaningful gain in quality or quantity of care, nor with any reduction in costs from inefficiencies being corrected. Is that about right??

[Clocker]

So what you are saying is that the taxpayer will now subsidize insurers for no meaningful gain in quality or quantity of care, nor with any reduction in costs from inefficiencies being corrected. Is that about right??

A lib will be along shortly to assure you that the risk corridors are a temporary 3 year program, and to remind you that temporary government programs are never extended.

[davew]

The risk corridors are just a temporary 3 year program fully funded by fines of those in non-compliance. This was necessary to have insurance companies agree to this revolutionary new concept of insuring everybody.

[Clocker]

The risk corridors are just a temporary 3 year program fully funded by fines of those in non-compliance.

What fines? The employer mandate is "delayed" for the foreseeable future. No fines there. And under the newest rules, anyone can get a hardship exemption from the individual mandate by saying that they have a hardship, no documentation required.

[tucker6]

The risk corridors are just a temporary 3 year program fully funded by fines of those in non-compliance.
If I had a gun to your head, would you say you actually believed that quote??

[Clocker]

If I had a gun to your head, would you say you actually believed that quote??

If you like your risk corridor, you can keep your risk corridor. :p

[Tom]

It was. But what gets me is the contractors are getting pass. Why aren't they in front of some house and/or senate committee being grilled on why they took the government for a ride?

Because this America. Companies are allowed to fail and not answer to the government. We do not know that they did do what they were contracted to do. Do you sue your barber when he takes off too much?

[Tom]

The risk corridors are just a temporary 3 year program fully funded by fines of those in non-compliance. This was necessary to have insurance companies agree to this revolutionary new concept of insuring everybody.

This is like those money boxes, where you stand in them and bills are blown around by air and your grab all you can in 30 seconds. They have three years to grab all they can from us.
What would you expect when insurance company's and government get in bed with each other. This was NEVER about health care or helping people. This was a money grab, nothing more.

[Clocker]

What would you expect when insurance company's and government get in bed with each other. This was NEVER about health care or helping people. This was a money grab, nothing more.

You are so suspicious. Just because the bill was written by insurance company lobbyists consulting to the government doesn't mean that the law favors them. The insurance companies wanted to genuinely help people that didn't know what was good for them just as much as the liberal elites did.

[davew]

If I had a gun to your head, would you say you actually believed that quote??

We have become a nation of cowards, the oppression is reckless and morally reprehensible. Trying to bring back voter suppression laws like photo identification and proof of life / residency, is hampering progress of the ACA.
There is no cracker going to tell people anything about their health rights, as long as 0bama and Holder mafia run the country. The right to vote multiple times all day long is being threatened, as well as the right to sign up for ACA as many times as needed.

[Clocker]

I just read an interesting take on the timing of the Sebelius resignation. Apparently, she offered to stay until the end of this year, to do what ever she could to help keep ObamaCare from being even more of an election issue.

The speculation is that Obama wanted her gone and her replacement confirmed before the elections, because the Dems are assuming that they are going to lose the Senate. A GOP Senate would make confirming Burwell a nightmare for Obama.