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Cannon shell
04-09-2014, 10:36 PM
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/racinghub/archive/2014/04/09/ned-bonnie-why-i-m-joining-whoa.aspx

Willing to pay for it?

"Although, not proposed in the current draft of his Bill, it has been suggested that an amount measured by a percentage to be agreed upon be assessed and deducted from all interstate off-track wagering pools in all racing states to support the responsibilities of USADA. Although the host racing associations would be charged with the responsibility of collecting said sums and remitting to USADA, the legislation would be amended to include all participants in interstate off-track wagering."

Tom
04-10-2014, 07:28 AM
Take if fro the PURSES.
WE pay enough already - in fact, far too much.
Why should WE pay for it?

Robert Goren
04-10-2014, 07:33 AM
Take if fro the PURSES.
WE pay enough already - in fact, far too much.
Why should WE pay for it?Couldn't said better myself.

Cannon shell
04-10-2014, 11:41 AM
You may not want it but it's coming. Where did you think the money was coming from? Potentially the most damaging piece of legislation ever proposed depending on how big of a cut they want. Everyone agrees that the price of playing is too high but this proposed bill will ensure that takeout cuts will be further away than ever. Now instead of 3 mouths feeding at the takeout table there will be 4.

Robert Goren
04-10-2014, 11:50 AM
You may not want it but it's coming. Where did you think the money was coming from? Potentially the most damaging piece of legislation ever proposed depending on how big of a cut they want. Everyone agrees that the price of playing is too high but this proposed bill will ensure that takeout cuts will be further away than ever. Now instead of 3 mouths feeding at the takeout table there will be 4. We are unlikely to see any takeout cuts anytime soon USADA or not. Bettors have screaming about them for ever and we have not seen any yet. The cost of regulation must come from those being regulated. If it comes from the bettor, it will do more harm than good. This sport needs to get rid of the things that are harming it. Right now the horsemen using drugs are among the things killing the sport , not the bettors using drugs.

Robert Goren
04-10-2014, 11:56 AM
If horse racing dies, I will bet something else. If horse racing dies, the horsemen will need to find a new occupation. I think horsemen seem to forget that at times.

clocker7
04-10-2014, 12:06 PM
Unlike dreamers who live in the ozone, the bill promoters are not so gullible about extra funds suddenly materializing out of nowhere.

Rule: add a layer of governance, and there must be an added cost, invariably one that is way more expensive than first advertised. Corollary: later add-ons will make things worse.

Problem is here is that the take level already has gone beyond the point of diminishing returns, and the handle will shrink some more. The skeptic in me says that some of the bill's cheerleaders are giddy about that prospect.

Cannon shell
04-10-2014, 12:14 PM
We are unlikely to see any takeout cuts anytime soon USADA or not. Bettors have screaming about them for ever and we have not seen any yet. The cost of regulation must come from those being regulated. If it comes from the bettor, it will do more harm than good. This sport needs to get rid of the things that are harming it. Right now the horsemen using drugs are among the things killing the sport , not the bettors using drugs.

Haven't you figured out how this works yet? Do you think it is a mistake that funding wasn't included in the publicly released drafts of the bill?
This is a political campaign. Get the natives stirred up enough so that they demand change and stick them with the bill afterwards saying, "hey you demanded change right?"

Cannon shell
04-10-2014, 12:16 PM
If horse racing dies, I will bet something else. If horse racing dies, the horsemen will need to find a new occupation. I think horsemen seem to forget that at times.
Well stop complaining so much if it isn't a big deal to you?

Cannon shell
04-10-2014, 12:18 PM
Unlike dreamers who live in the ozone, the bill promoters are not so gullible about extra funds suddenly materializing out of nowhere.

Rule: add a layer of governance, and there must be an added cost, invariably one that is way more expensive than first advertised. Corollary: later add-ons will make things worse.

Problem is here is that the take level already has gone beyond the point of diminishing returns, and the handle will shrink some more. The skeptic in me says that some of the bill's cheerleaders are giddy about that prospect.
Duke and Duke have a dollar bet seeing if they can bring the sport back into their fold

lamboguy
04-10-2014, 12:31 PM
we will be betting on horses that run in Korea and Viet Nam in no time at all. they are the only guys paying up for horses this year in our sales.

owners in the United States don't make a quarter. the trainers and veterinarians make plenty though. all these great purses that are the results of slot and casino's don't go to owners.

without owner's you don't have bettors in this game and no horses either. without horses or bettors you have no game at all. the future of this game is that we will all be watching simulcasting shows from the far east. at least guys like "Goren on Horses" will be happy.

Stillriledup
04-10-2014, 03:38 PM
Take if fro the PURSES.
WE pay enough already - in fact, far too much.
Why should WE pay for it?
Wait! Haven't you heard? The horsemen have agreed to donate a small percentage of their "cut" of their share of the winning purses so the horseplayer wouldnt be burdened with paying for the "improvements" in the game.

Just kidding of course, trainers, owners and jocks never volunteered one red cent, its up to the customers to foot the bill. :eek:

burnsy
04-10-2014, 04:02 PM
If horse racing dies, I will bet something else. If horse racing dies, the horsemen will need to find a new occupation. I think horsemen seem to forget that at times.

That's what the Casino operators are banking on.....and some politicians. Horse racing handle is like a big billboard to them...behind closed doors I'm quite sure some are saying. " If we get horse racing out of the way, we can get a piece of that too." Its like the industry does not know this is going on. Maybe some horsemen do so they milk these high purses for as long as possible. Besides PETA this negativity is coming from somewhere. There's usually money and power behind it because it certainly is not just "journalism". The only way to turn that back is popularity. Instead they play right into these peoples hands. Battles in Southern Florida, racing squabbles in Virginia...the PETA scandal. Its like they want to give it away. Someone better wake up soon or the Gov't will get in there and everyone that loves racing will be singing the US Blues.

Robert Fischer
04-10-2014, 04:57 PM
You want to add governance, then you have to address the inefficient use of the mass media as the first priority. Then you can increase the purses across the board, and office a commissioner.