Which athletes JUST became Hall of Famers?

[Stillriledup]

Give me a list of athletes or people in sport who, if they retired today (or never played again for one reason or another) would have JUST done enough to make the Hall of Fame.

For example, is Kevin Durant a hall of famer if he never plays another game? Or, does he still need a couple more good seasons to make it? How about Chris Paul, if he retired tonight, would he be "in" or does he still need to "do more".

How about baseball or football, anyone come to mind who JUST "got in" and doesnt have to play one more game?

[TheEdge07]

Miguel Cabrera
Ben Roethlisberger
Dwayne Wade

[tucker6]

Miguel Cabrera
Ben Roethlisberger
Dwayne Wade
good list, although with baseball, one never knows.

[TheEdge07]

good list, although with baseball, one never knows.

Agree with your point baseball you never know...

[Stillriledup]

good list, although with baseball, one never knows.

True, Maybe they'll keep Cabrera out because he placed a bet in a casino one time. :D

[Stillriledup]

What about CC Sabathia. Hall of famer if he retired today?

How about Justin Verlander? Is he a HOFer today?

[rastajenk]

I'd say no on both.

I'm not a big hockey guy, but how about Sidney Crosby?

[Stillriledup]

I'd say no on both.

I'm not a big hockey guy, but how about Sidney Crosby?

That's a good one...i'd say yes, in already.

[kingfin66]

Baseball

Alex Rodriguez
Albert Pujols
Adrian Beltre
Derek Jeter
Miguel Cabrera
Ichiro Suzuki

C.C. Sabathia
Tim Hudson

[ManU918]

Baseball

Alex Rodriguez
Albert Pujols
Adrian Beltre
Derek Jeter
Miguel Cabrera
Ichiro Suzuki

C.C. Sabathia
Tim Hudson

ARod has zero chance of making the hall of fame.

[Robert Goren]

I would be more inclined to take a shot with coaches rather than players starting with Bill Belichick and Nick Saban.

[tucker6]

ARod has zero chance of making the hall of fame.
yeah, I'd say Pete Rose gets in before any of the steroid guys. Rose essentially damaged himself, but steroids has been a multi-decade black eye for baseball.

[tucker6]

I would be more inclined to take a shot with coaches rather than players starting with Bill Belichick and Nick Saban.
I don't think you can name Billy in this thread as it is for those just over the cusp of HOF induction. I think Belichick is a shoe-in for induction at this point, so he doesn't qualify. Same with Peyton and Brady.

Of these, who gets in if they end their careers today:

Eli
Drew Brees
Adrian Peterson

[Robert Goren]

I don't think you can name Billy in this thread as it is for those just over the cusp of HOF induction. I think Belichick is a shoe-in for induction at this point, so he doesn't qualify. Same with Peyton and Brady.

Of these, who gets in if they end their careers today:

Eli
Drew Brees
Adrian PetersonPeterson is in. Eli needs another ring. He going only because he wins rings. Brees, maybe. It is easier for QB to get than anybody else.
What about these players?
Chris Johnson
Darrelle Revis
Roddy White

[tucker6]

Peterson is in. Eli needs another ring. He going only because he wins rings. Brees, maybe. It is easier for QB to get than anybody else.
What about these players?
Chris Johnson
Darrelle Revis
Roddy White

I agree with your thoughts on those three I mentioned.

I think Peterson may be in, but given that Bettis is still not in, I hesitate a little. Seems running back is more difficult to get into the HOF than they used to be. Chris Johnson no way Jose. Revis not at the moment. For all his press, he only has 21 INT's and 284 tackles in 7 years. Great defender, but so is everyone else in the HOF. White no way at this moment in time. 9k yards and only 55 TD's with diminishing production recently.

How about Adam Vinatieri from the Patriots/Colts? I'd say yes.

[Robert Goren]

I agree with your thoughts on those three I mentioned.

I think Peterson may be in, but given that Bettis is still not in, I hesitate a little. Seems running back is more difficult to get into the HOF than they used to be. Chris Johnson no way Jose. Revis not at the moment. For all his press, he only has 21 INT's and 284 tackles in 7 years. Great defender, but so is everyone else in the HOF. White no way at this moment in time. 9k yards and only 55 TD's with diminishing production recently.

How about Adam Vinatieri from the Patriots/Colts? I'd say yes. Yes although they do not put many kickers in. But the Bills would have won at least one if he had been kicking for them back in the day.

[Stillriledup]

ARod has zero chance of making the hall of fame.

Were his statistics not good enough? Last i checked, the MLB didnt "strike" his stats from the record books, so as far as his employer is concerned, all is fine.

Right?

[Stillriledup]

I don't think you can name Billy in this thread as it is for those just over the cusp of HOF induction. I think Belichick is a shoe-in for induction at this point, so he doesn't qualify. Same with Peyton and Brady.

Of these, who gets in if they end their careers today:

Eli
Drew Brees
Adrian Peterson

Right, this thread is about people who werent hall of famers at the beginning of 2013 and just became HOFers in the last year or so.

Belichick was probably "in" many years ago.

Brees is probably in....the question is when did he get "in" i think you have an interesting call here, same with AD.

I think Eli has hurt his chances with his last couple of seasons, he needs to start righting the ship and finish strong, i dont know if he's "in" yet if he retired today, but its close.

[Stillriledup]

Peterson is in. Eli needs another ring. He going only because he wins rings. Brees, maybe. It is easier for QB to get than anybody else.
What about these players?
Chris Johnson
Darrelle Revis
Roddy White

I think Eli doesnt need another ring, he just needs to stay healthy and pile up passing yards...he already has 35,000 so he might be in already, but if he can get into the 40s and have another couple decent years at least, he will get in for sure...but i dont know if Eli isnt already in, he might be.

[Valuist]

I don't think you can name Billy in this thread as it is for those just over the cusp of HOF induction. I think Belichick is a shoe-in for induction at this point, so he doesn't qualify. Same with Peyton and Brady.

Of these, who gets in if they end their careers today:

Eli
Drew Brees
Adrian Peterson

Eli is not in. No way.

[kingfin66]

ARod has zero chance of making the hall of fame.

This is my opinion. You are welcome to disagree. You also may be correct. Time will tell.

[Stillriledup]

Eli is not in. No way.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

[Valuist]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

League worst 27 interceptions last year. And 2nd worst wasn't even close. Nobody else had more than 22 ints.

[Stillriledup]

League worst 27 interceptions last year. And 2nd worst wasn't even close. Nobody else had more than 22 ints.

Its a team game, so, interceptions are not always the fault of the QB. No prerequisite that says a HOFer has to have a stellar year in all the years he's in the league.

[tucker6]

I think Eli doesnt need another ring, he just needs to stay healthy and pile up passing yards...he already has 35,000 so he might be in already, but if he can get into the 40s and have another couple decent years at least, he will get in for sure...but i dont know if Eli isnt already in, he might be.
You're more confident than I am on Eli. It took Warren Moon ten years to get into the HOF with these numbers:

49k yards
80.9 rating
291 TD's
233 INT's (1.25 td/int ratio)
58.4% comp


Eli has:

35k yards
81.2 rating
229 TD's
171 INT's (1.34 td/int ratio)
58.5% comp

Essentially they have the same numbers, and let's not forget that Moon lost six years to the CFL. Eli would need to hold all his numbers and gain another 12-15k yards to be on the same level as a guy that took ten years to make it in. I think Eli is still paying to see Peyton's bust.

[tucker6]

By comparison, Drew Brees and Big Ben have the following numbers:

Brees:

51k yards
95.3 rating
363 TD's
177 INT's (2.05 td/int ratio)
65.9% comp


Big Ben:

34k yards
92.6 rating
219 TD's
122 INT's (1.80 td/int ratio)
63.3 comp


See the difference between Brees and Ben as QB's, and then Moon and Eli as QB's?? Much higher TD ratios, pass completion percentages, and overall ratings than Moon or Eli have mustered. That's why it took Moon 10 years to get in. Eli will have the same problem regardless of titles.

Given those numbers, both Ben and Brees should make the HOF. Eli will compare poorly against these guys as they'll all be contemporaries trying to gain entrance.

[Robert Goren]

Sorry, with QBs it is about two numbers Super Bowls and Rings and little else matters except image. Ben probably need at least one more Super Bowl appearance to get in. Brees is probably closer because of the image that the Saints are riding him and have little else in terms of near HOF talent. A couple more good years and Rodgers joins the conversation.

[rastajenk]

Here's a couple that might be what you're looking for, Riley:

Jim Furyk
Vijay Singh

:)

[TheEdge07]

You're more confident than I am on Eli. It took Warren Moon ten years to get into the HOF with these numbers:

49k yards
80.9 rating
291 TD's
233 INT's (1.25 td/int ratio)
58.4% comp


Eli has:

35k yards
81.2 rating
229 TD's
171 INT's (1.34 td/int ratio)
58.5% comp

Essentially they have the same numbers, and let's not forget that Moon lost six years to the CFL. Eli would need to hold all his numbers and gain another 12-15k yards to be on the same level as a guy that took ten years to make it in. I think Eli is still paying to see Peyton's bust.

Ben has 3 SB appearances.
15 NFL records

[Rookies]

I'd say no on both.

I'm not a big hockey guy, but how about Sidney Crosby?

Without a doubt. :ThmbUp:

[tucker6]

Sorry, with QBs it is about two numbers Super Bowls and Rings and little else matters except image. Ben probably need at least one more Super Bowl appearance to get in. Brees is probably closer because of the image that the Saints are riding him and have little else in terms of near HOF talent. A couple more good years and Rodgers joins the conversation.
That's a superficial response, and simply isn't true. It seems that way because those that get in the HOF are usually great QB's that have a tendency to win SB's. You win 2 SB's and play in 3 with the numbers Ben has, you're getting in the HOF if you have longevity. Same with Brees. He has the numbers despite only playing in one SB. Same with Peyton. Only won one, but he's a HOF'er. You'll retort with a comment that those guys have the stats, but that disproves your comment that it's all about rings and SB's. See how that works? ;)

[Robert Goren]

That's a superficial response, and simply isn't true. It seems that way because those that get in the HOF are usually great QB's that have a tendency to win SB's. You win 2 SB's and play in 3 with the numbers Ben has, you're getting in the HOF if you have longevity. Same with Brees. He has the numbers despite only playing in one SB. Same with Peyton. Only won one, but he's a HOF'er. You'll retort with a comment that those guys have the stats, but that disproves your comment that it's all about rings and SB's. See how that works? ;)There are some QBs playing today that will end up with some very good stats and will not even get close to getting in. QBs like Terry Bradshaw and Bart Starr have gotten in on championships alone.

[tucker6]

There are some QBs playing today that will end up with some very good stats and will not even get close to getting in. QBs like Terry Bradshaw and Bart Starr have gotten in on championships alone.
I agree with you, but that was a different passing era as well. The passing game is so much more sophisticated than it was back in the day with a premium on accuracy and yards. QB's are now being held to a new standard.

[Stillriledup]

Normally, in baseball, 3,000 hits or 500 HRs is the "gold standard" that usually gets you in, unwritten rule....as is 300 wins (but now that 300 wins isnt really as obtainable anymore, so 250 might be the new gold standard).

In football, for QBs, can you say 40,000 passing yards means you're in? Is the new gold standard 50,000? You know, Eli has 35,000 and counting....at some point, if he keeps tossing 4k and 5k passing seasons, he's going to get in on numbers....and he already has 2 rings and beat first ballot QB Tom Brady in the process (not to mention unseated an all time great undefeated team in one of those SBs)

[cj]

Just off the top of my head, these are the NBA guys still playing that are locks:

Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobli
Tim Duncan
Steve Nash
Dirk Niwitzki
Vince Carter
Carmello Anthony

Borderline:

Chris Bosh
Chris Paul
Pau Gasol
Amere Stoudamire

Shoo-ins barring injury

Russell Westbrook
Kevin Durant
Blake Griffin
Steph Curry
Kevin Love
James Harden

I've probably missed one or two, really was just off the top.

[Stillriledup]

Just off the top of my head, these are the NBA guys still playing that are locks:

Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobli
Tim Duncan
Steve Nash
Dirk Niwitzki
Vince Carter
Carmello Anthony

Borderline:

Chris Bosh
Chris Paul
Pau Gasol
Amere Stoudamire

Shoo-ins barring injury

Russell Westbrook
Kevin Durant
Blake Griffin
Steph Curry
Kevin Love
James Harden

I've probably missed one or two, really was just off the top.

Good list.

Add Jamal Crawford and Ray Allen and D12.

Tony Parker too, right?

And maybe Derek Rose if he can get on the floor.

[Stillriledup]

Robinson Cano is getting close to this HOF "inclusion" list. Probably another 2 or 3 years of elite stats, he will have over 2,000 Hits, over 1,000 RBIs and he's a lifetime 300+ hitter not to mention an excellent defender.

[Stillriledup]

Aaron Rodgers is another guy who's really close to getting in....if he retired today, i don't know if he's in, but another couple years of top notch play, he will probably get in.

How about Phillip Rivers of the Chargers? Is he "in" yet? 32k yards passing, over 200 TDs, he's close too. Two more years of strong passing stats he gets over the 40,000 passing mark..he's a guy who's close too.

[TheEdge07]

Just off the top of my head, these are the NBA guys still playing that are locks:

Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobli
Tim Duncan
Steve Nash
Dirk Niwitzki
Vince Carter
Carmello Anthony

Borderline:

Chris Bosh
Chris Paul
Pau Gasol
Amere Stoudamire

Shoo-ins barring injury

Russell Westbrook
Kevin Durant
Blake Griffin
Steph Curry
Kevin Love
James Harden

I've probably missed one or two, really was just off the top.

Vince Carter
Manu no way HOF players CJ

[Stillriledup]

How about David Ortiz or Dustin Pedroia. Either one of those guys in yet, or do they need to do more?

[cj]

Good list.

Add Jamal Crawford and Ray Allen and D12.

Tony Parker too, right?

And maybe Derek Rose if he can get on the floor.

Ray Allen and Tony Parker, of course. Howard, borderline. Crawford, not close.

[PhantomOnTour]

Anquan Boldin ??

[kingfin66]

Vince Carter
Manu no way HOF players CJ

I don't think there is any doubt at all that Vince Carter is a Hall of Famer. You may want to look at the numbers. Of course, he will have to retire first. He is still a productive player at 37 yo.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cartevi01.html

[Stillriledup]

Ray Allen and Tony Parker, of course. Howard, borderline. Crawford, not close.

J Crossover soon to be top 10 all time in 3 pt shots, he's moving up the ladder.

We also forgot about Chauncey Billups as a HOFer, he's technically still in the league.

[tucker6]

Aaron Rodgers is another guy who's really close to getting in....if he retired today, i don't know if he's in, but another couple years of top notch play, he will probably get in.

How about Phillip Rivers of the Chargers? Is he "in" yet? 32k yards passing, over 200 TDs, he's close too. Two more years of strong passing stats he gets over the 40,000 passing mark..he's a guy who's close too.

Stats for both guys:

Aaron Rodgers

24k yards
104.9 rating
188 td's (3.62 td/int ratio)
52 int's
65.8 comp %


Philip Rivers

32k yards
96.0 rating
221 td's (2.13 td/int ratio)
104 int's
64.4 comp %


Both guys have the stats that if they play another five years will get into the HOF. However, Rivers may still not get in if he continues to not have any meaningful playoff success. To go back and pick on Eli Manning again, you can see how much he differs stats-wise with all of his contemporaries (Brees, Ben, Rivers, Rodgers). He may have helped win two SB's, but he'll need a really good next couple years and maybe another SB to get into the HOF. He's 33, so time is running out for him I think. Once Coughlin leaves, Eli's replacement may get drafted unless he turns the ship around.

[TheEdge07]

I don't think there is any doubt at all that Vince Carter is a Hall of Famer. You may want to look at the numbers. Of course, he will have to retire first. He is still a productive player at 37 yo.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cartevi01.html

When I think HOF if you ask the question whether he is or no..then hes not..

Vince was a great player but HOF?Numbers are a major criteria for baseball don't know if the same applies for basketball.

[Robert Goren]

Stats for both guys:

Aaron Rodgers

24k yards
104.9 rating
188 td's (3.62 td/int ratio)
52 int's
65.8 comp %


Philip Rivers

32k yards
96.0 rating
221 td's (2.13 td/int ratio)
104 int's
64.4 comp %


Both guys have the stats that if they play another five years will get into the HOF. However, Rivers may still not get in if he continues to not have any meaningful playoff success. To go back and pick on Eli Manning again, you can see how much he differs stats-wise with all of his contemporaries (Brees, Ben, Rivers, Rodgers). He may have helped win two SB's, but he'll need a really good next couple years and maybe another SB to get into the HOF. He's 33, so time is running out for him I think. Once Coughlin leaves, Eli's replacement may get drafted unless he turns the ship around.If Rivers gets in on stats then how do you keep Tony Romo out?

[PhantomOnTour]

You almost made me puke, Rob

[cj]

J Crossover soon to be top 10 all time in 3 pt shots, he's moving up the ladder.

We also forgot about Chauncey Billups as a HOFer, he's technically still in the league.

I like Crawford, but there are literally hundreds of guys who had careers like him that are not in and never will be.

[cj]

Vince Carter
Manu no way HOF players CJ

They are both 100% locks for the Hall of Fame. You realize it is the "Basketball" Hall of Fame, not the "NBA" Hall of Fame, right?

[tucker6]

If Rivers gets in on stats then how do you keep Tony Romo out?
I personally don't think Rivers gets in based where he is now. I don't think he has the heart or leadership of a champion. Nor does Romo.

Romo numbers:

29k yards
95.8 rating
208 TD's (2.06 td/int ratio)
101 INT's
64.6 comp %

Romo is 34 next week. Good numbers, but nobody mentions HOF with his December and playoff record. My belief is that both he and Rivers do not get in because they aren't leaders and winners. I know that is sort of what you were saying the other day, but you need more than SB's to get into the HOF. Eli has the rings but not the stats. Rivers and Romo have stats but no postseason success. IMO, none of those three get in.

[kingfin66]

When I think HOF if you ask the question whether he is or no..then hes not..

Vince was a great player but HOF?Numbers are a major criteria for baseball don't know if the same applies for basketball.

Carter's numbers put him in the Top 50 players of all time. His lifetime scoring avg. is still over 20 PPG even after changing roles from starter to reserve over the past few/several years.

Numbers do matter a lot for players that played their entire careers in the NBA. There are some players in the HOF who did not do much in the NBA, but got in based on their performance overseas. Drazen Petrovic is in the HOF despite dying in a car accident fairly early in his NBA career. Arvydas Sabonis is in despite very pedestrian NBA numbers. He came to the NBA past his prime.

[kingfin66]

Robinson Cano is getting close to this HOF "inclusion" list. Probably another 2 or 3 years of elite stats, he will have over 2,000 Hits, over 1,000 RBIs and he's a lifetime 300+ hitter not to mention an excellent defender.

Your original question when starting the thread was, have they already done enough. In the case of Cano, I would say NO.

[kingfin66]

How about David Ortiz or Dustin Pedroia. Either one of those guys in yet, or do they need to do more?

Pedroia - definitely not

Ortiz - Interesting. I looked up his stats. They are very similar to those of Carlos Delgado. Delgado is not yet eligible for induction. If Delgado gets in, Ortiz should also get in IMO. Unfortunately for both of them, Jeff Bagwell was not elected, nor was Rafael Palmeiro. With Palmeiro (and McGwire), there are the steroid issues. There may be similar questions about Bagwell. There are other guys too. I think he has to do some more if he is going to get in.

[kingfin66]

Earlier in the thread, I mentioned a couple of active pitchers that I think have done enough to get into the HOF. There are retired pitchers with many more wins who are not yet in. I don't think we are ever going to see a 300 game winner again; at least not anytime soon.

Tim Hudson - 207 wins, but is nearing the end of the road at 38 years of age.

CC Sabathia - 206 wins. The weight is down, but so is the velocity. I think all of the warning signs are in place to indicate that he is also nearing the end of the line. The innings have definitely caught up with him.

These are the only active MLB pitchers with more than 200 wins.

[Rookies]

Romo is 34 next week. Good numbers, but nobody mentions HOF with his December and playoff record. My belief is that both he and Rivers do not get in because they aren't leaders and winners. I know that is sort of what you were saying the other day, but you need more than SB's to get into the HOF. Eli has the rings but not the stats. Rivers and Romo have stats but no postseason success. IMO, none of those three get in.

IMHO, that is EXACTLY what gets you in! Only homers care when their local QBs run up fabulous Stats in the Regular Season. I want to see what they can do when the $$$$ and HOF prestige are on the line.

That's why Joe & Terry are #1 & 1A with me and Brady is a bit behind. Eli gets in because of 2 great Super Bowls. I am, of course, in favour of several star QBs who had their careers before Super Bowls existed.

Of the present playing group, I'd be in favour of Eli, Drew, Aaron, Peyton & Ben (who has a tremendous Playoff Record- double digits in Wins).

Romo is spelled L*O*S*E*R!

[cj's dad]

Ravens Ray Lewis is a lock !

[cj]

Ravens Ray Lewis is a lock !

Football or NRA? :lol::lol::lol:

[cj's dad]

Football or NRA? :lol::lol::lol:

Be nice ! Hey, I thought you hated emoticons ?

[cj]

Be nice ! Hey, I thought you hated emoticons ?

I couldn't resist. I do like Ray Lewis though.

[PhantomOnTour]

Lewis is one of the greatest ever - he will easily get in with a huge % of the votes

[TheEdge07]

Lewis is one of the greatest ever - he will easily get in with a huge % of the votes

Troy Polumalu is 1/9

[cj's dad]

I'm thinking that if Joe Facco continues his run of consecutive playoff wins and Super Bowl wins he will get in. Maybe this is because I am a Ravens fan and have met Joe in person (a great guy). He has after all been the QB in charge for 5 straight playoff appearances and one SB victory. Compare that to others and see where he stands !!

[tucker6]

I'm thinking that if Joe Facco continues his run of consecutive playoff wins and Super Bowl wins he will get in. Maybe this is because I am a Ravens fan and have met Joe in person (a great guy). He has after all been the QB in charge for 5 straight playoff appearances and one SB victory. Compare that to others and see where he stands !!
This is what he did last year, and the past isn't that much better either.

59.0 comp
3,912 yds
19 td
22 int
73.1 rating

In fact, his last three years are worse than his first three years. He's got a long way to go before he even gets mentioned with the others, playoff wins or not.

[Robert Goren]

Troy Polumalu is 1/9True right now, but he is trying to play his way out. The couple of years he has been a shell of his former self.

[Robert Goren]

This is what he did last year, and the past isn't that much better either.

59.0 comp
3,912 yds
19 td
22 int
73.1 rating

In fact, his last three years are worse than his first three years. He's got a long way to go before he even gets mentioned with the others, playoff wins or not. He was hampered last year with a God-awful line. He has a chance but still has a lot to prove in my book.

[tucker6]

He was hampered last year with a God-awful line. He has a chance but still has a lot to prove in my book.
... and Big Ben hasn't had a God awful line for many years now? Flacco is similar to Peyton Manning in that they cannot compensate well behind o-lines that are having difficulty protecting him. Peyton has had good o-lines and pass protection for 90% of his career. In the games and/or streaks when he hasn't performed to his normal self, it is because protection broke down and he gets jumpy. Just look at the SB. He needs stellar play from the line to perform optimally. That isn't to say he isn't a great QB. It's just an observation, and since the playoffs have better defenses, is likely the reason Peyton suffers more during that time of year.

[Stillriledup]

If Gronk never played another game as of this second, is he in the HOF or does he have to do more?