Teachers Union clause....non Christian's first!

[JustRalph]

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/19/mi-union-contract-gives-special-consideration-to-non-christian-teachers/

This is a very telling clause in the contract. What was the intent? The union has to have lawyers? right ? did nobody speak up about this? Who reviewed this contract?

"Regarding promotion to a vacant position, it states on page 22:

Should there be two (2) or more of these applicants with equal qualifications for the position and one (1) or more of these applicants with equal qualifications is a current employee, the current employee with the greatest seniority shall be assigned. Special consideration shall be given to women and/or minority defined as: Native American, Asian American, Latino, African American and those of the non-Christian faith. However, in all appointments to vacant positions, the Board’s decision shall be final."


This is amazing stuff.........

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/media/images/2014/ferndale_discrimination.jpg

[Tom]

Union, or Coven?
How do we allow such low-life's near our kids?

[HUSKER55]

More and more people are going to have to be made aware and start home schooling their kids. Until someone stops this blind acceptance nothing will change until the rat dies.

[cj's dad]

Special consideration shall be given to women and/or minority defined as: Native American, Asian American, Latino, African American and those of the non-Christian faith. However, in all appointments to vacant positions, the Board’s decision shall be final."

This is racism !!

[HUSKER55]

yes, and no one is going to do anything.

[thaskalos]

How I long for the days when people hired the best person for the job...period!

[HUSKER55]

yes, and we had standards.

[GaryG]

I thank God that my two grandchildren were home schooled. One is a freshman on a full scholarship at Furman and the other in 7th grade. With this sort of racism and the revisionist history that they teach our public schools are becoming worthless.

[Rookies]

How I long for the days when people hired the best person for the job...period!

Noble goal.

Which decade did that happen Thaskalos? We know that up to the 1970s in America, it didn't.

[jballscalls]

Noble goal.

Which decade did that happen Thaskalos? We know that up to the 1970s in America, it didn't.

It's never happened, at least from what i've seen and experienced. Croneyism is always around.

And to my fellow white people, it kind of sucks being judged by the color of our skin doesn't it?

[Robert Goren]

I am pretty sure that my old high school has never had any teacher who was not white. I am also pretty sure they aren't alone in that regard. Where is your outrage at those all white teacher school systems?

[Marshall Bennett]

I am pretty sure that my old high school has never had any teacher who was not white. I am also pretty sure they aren't alone in that regard. Where is your outrage at those all white teacher school systems?
I'm amazed that any white person, including yourself, can find validity in this obvious truckload of horseshit !!

[JustRalph]

It's never happened, at least from what i've seen and experienced. Croneyism is always around.

And to my fellow white people, it kind of sucks being judged by the color of our skin doesn't it?

See, this where you go off the rails sometimes. This is not judging someone, this is codifying a bias. This is not subtle racism or inadvertent set aside via affirmative action etc. This is a legally binding contract with all the perks and protections of the weight of law. It has the presumed benefit of having been reviewed and approved by those who are assumed to know better. Yet in this case a blatant and overwhelming discriminatory tact was taken in not only the writing of this contract and said provision, but in review an organization that thrives within the confines of separating church versus state and will scream for that separation at a moments notice, has purposefully excluded not all religions, but one particular brand of religion.

Along with a racial set aside that is not only blatant, but punitive in nature. And it is in writing. Not a subtle practice, but in writing and approved by the parties.

Jason, you comment is typical of an outside looking in viewpoint that stands aside waiting for an "I told you so" moment. It's a very left wing thing to do. If this same contract had denied the promotion to a Muslim, Jew or Buddhist, do you think it would have passed on review? I'm sure you would be up in arms for that obvious bias huh?

Yet you choose to focus on the racial portion only. You choose to pull yourself outside your "skin" literally, and take a jab at "white people" keep your liberal white guilt to yourself. It's already ****ed the country for the next 20 years. It does no good and only makes you look good amongst your brethren who share it.

Get back in your liberal bubble and continue to blame the worlds wrongs on the very people who push this country along every day. It's good for you. If it works for you, fine. I don't think you're a bad guy Jason, but if you want to pop off with that kind of comment, expect a little throwback from the other side.

[NJ Stinks]

The reaction by the right here is the exact opposite of their reaction to Hcap posting something about that GOP ongressional candidate in Illinois. In Hcap's thread, the woman is dismissed as an anomaly - no way does she reflect the typical GOP'er. In this thread we find something in a job announcement that is obviously another anomaly.

Oh wait. This involves a union and public schools which automatically means it must be standard operating procedure!

"Amazing stuff" indeed. So amazing didn't you hear - home schooling is the only salvation left! :rolleyes:

[PaceAdvantage]

Oh wait. This involves a union and public schools which automatically means it must be standard operating procedure! Is that what was written? Ralph said this is how all union contracts are worded? :lol:

[Saratoga_Mike]

I am pretty sure that my old high school has never had any teacher who was not white. I am also pretty sure they aren't alone in that regard. Where is your outrage at those all white teacher school systems?

Let's see Lincoln was 97.7% white in 1970 (guessing you graduated around that time frame). Moreover, you've indicated you grew up in a farming community, presumably more rural (probably even more white). Why do you make posts like these?

[jballscalls]

Jason, you comment is typical of an outside looking in viewpoint that stands aside waiting for an "I told you so" moment. It's a very left wing thing to do. If this same contract had denied the promotion to a Muslim, Jew or Buddhist, do you think it would have passed on review? I'm sure you would be up in arms for that obvious bias huh?

Yet you choose to focus on the racial portion only. You choose to pull yourself outside your "skin" literally, and take a jab at "white people" keep your liberal white guilt to yourself. It's already ****ed the country for the next 20 years. It does no good and only makes you look good amongst your brethren who share it.

Get back in your liberal bubble and continue to blame the worlds wrongs on the very people who push this country along every day. It's good for you. If it works for you, fine. I don't think you're a bad guy Jason, but if you want to pop off with that kind of comment, expect a little throwback from the other side.

I'm fine with throwback from the "other side"

I think I literally disagree with you on almost every racial/religious/social thing that's discussed here. We just live in two totally different worlds and have had different experiences that lead to different viewpoints. Funny thing is I'm not even a liberal. I usually vote conservative. I didn't vote for Barry in either election.

I just think that you are actually the one who is living in a bubble thinking that the playing fields are level through just the free market. It's easy to say that from a position of privilege. I mean we're never going to agree on any issues of race because I think issues come from one way, you think they come from another.

[Tom]

I am pretty sure that my old high school has never had any teacher who was not white. I am also pretty sure they aren't alone in that regard. Where is your outrage at those all white teacher school systems?

Where is your outrage over Grambling?

[classhandicapper]

I'm fine with throwback from the "other side"

I just think that you are actually the one who is living in a bubble thinking that the playing fields are level through just the free market.

IMO the playing field is not leveled through a free market in the short term, but it is in the long term.

If there are two competing businesses and one hires based entirely on merit and the other based partially upon personal prejudices, quotas, racism, sexual preference etc.. it's just a matter if time before the first one buries the second.

What makes this job opening so unappealing is that it's not some private individual or organization (that IMHO should have a right to be a scumbag and then pay the price long term). It's for a teacher's job most likely in a public school.

IMO there's a world of difference between this kind of thing when it's private vs. public discrimination.

[JustRalph]

I'm fine with throwback from the "other side"

I think I literally disagree with you on almost every racial/religious/social thing that's discussed here. We just live in two totally different worlds and have had different experiences that lead to different viewpoints. Funny thing is I'm not even a liberal. I usually vote conservative. I didn't vote for Barry in either election.

I just think that you are actually the one who is living in a bubble thinking that the playing fields are level through just the free market. It's easy to say that from a position of privilege. I mean we're never going to agree on any issues of race because I think issues come from one way, you think they come from another.

point taken. Last night at midnight I was counseling and discussing the move to management in business with an employee of my wife. He is newly promoted to management. We were discussing the steady climb that he undertook from low level jobs and how he had changed his attitude and took a new approach. I won't go into details. It's minutiae, but I mention it for context.

Btw, the clothes he was wearing, to match the management requirement for apparel, I bought for him. He is in his late 30's and I am working hard to help him be successful. Just like a couple of hundred young people we have mentored over the years. Of all races and "orientations" If you call that coming from a place of privilege. so be it. But it's real. And my interpretation of the free market is one that is real. The free market responds to one thing. Effort and dedication.

The wife and I started with nothing. We give back. We are by no means privileged. I don't know where you get that from?

[Robert Goren]

Let's see Lincoln was 97.7% white in 1970 (guessing you graduated around that time frame). Moreover, you've indicated you grew up in a farming community, presumably more rural (probably even more white). Why do you make posts like these? An all white farming community, which all the more reason to bring in teachers of color. The people there need to be expose to people of color. You should hear how they talk about Blacks and Mexicans. It not their fault. They have never been exposed to them. I make post like this because there is far more of problem of racism by Whites than there is to Whites. But that doesn't fit into the conservative monologue, does it?

[Robert Goren]

Where is your outrage over Grambling?What about Grambling?

[JustRalph]

Goren, skip "To Sir with Love" the next time it's on.........

[Robert Goren]

Goren, skip "To Sir with Love" the next time it's on.........You are slipping if that is the best you can come with! Actually that movie sucked though the theme song wasn't too bad.

[TJDave]

No one professing belief in the bible creation story should be credentialed to teach in a public school.

[JustRalph]

No one professing belief in the bible creation story should be credentialed to teach in a public school.

pretty rough standard there Dave...........

how bout we apply the same to other religions? I assume you would approve of that too........?

[TJDave]

pretty rough standard there Dave...........

how bout we apply the same to other religions? I assume you would approve of that too........?

I do. Adults who believe in fairy tales should not be teaching children.

[Marshall Bennett]

I make post like this because there is far more of problem of racism by Whites than there is to Whites.
Well, I believe that's bullshit. I'd bet my life there's a far higher percentage of racist blacks than there are whites. Also, the media doesn't give jack-shit about racist blacks, but pounce on any high profile cases involving racist whites. Yeah, there's a race problem alright, but blacks are pulling their share of the blame.

[classhandicapper]

No one professing belief in the bible creation story should be credentialed to teach in a public school.

No one that wants an educated child that will be safe and that can tell the difference between right and wrong, moral and immoral, ethical and unethical, and that can objectively understand that some life choices produce superior results than others should send their child anywhere near a public school. So it's kind of a push. No chance I'd send a child of mine to a public school. If I could't afford a private school or they were blessed enough to get in, I'd home school. There aren't many universities I'd send a child of mine to either.

[classhandicapper]

There's a cultural war going on and the side that guarantees that we will continue down the path of becoming a social and economic cesspool is winning.

I continue to hope that enough people in this country come to their senses and realize we need an amicable divorce.

[Tom]

What about Grambling?

Wooooosh!

[Tom]

There's a cultural war going on and the side that guarantees that we will continue down the path of becoming a social and economic cesspool is winning.

I continue to hope that enough people in this country come to their senses and realize we need an amicable divorce.


Hard sell - dependency vs taking care of yourself.
The dems have the lazy and stupid solidly under their big tent.

[TJDave]

There's a cultural war going on and the side that guarantees that we will continue down the path of becoming a social and economic cesspool is winning.

There is no war. Culture evolves. Old influences give way to new because people embrace them. You and I may differ on what is best but society is the ultimate arbitrator.

[Saratoga_Mike]

An all white farming community, which all the more reason to bring in teachers of color. The people there need to be expose to people of color. You should hear how they talk about Blacks and Mexicans. It not their fault. They have never been exposed to them. I make post like this because there is far more of problem of racism by Whites than there is to Whites. But that doesn't fit into the conservative monologue, does it?

There's the impractical aspect to your suggestion here (i.e., ahhh maybe there weren't any minority teachers that wanted to live in your community), and then there's your consistent undercurrent of BS.

If you really gave a damn about helping blacks/Hispanics, you'd support giving them a decent K-12 education. Do you support school vouchers? If not, spare me your crap.

[classhandicapper]

There is no war. Culture evolves. Old influences give way to new because people embrace them. You and I may differ on what is best but society is the ultimate arbitrator.

People embrace all kinds of idiotic things that produce poor results for themselves and society as a whole.

Culture swings back and forth. When the results of one path lead to poor results eventually even the people that were wrong figure it out and relearn the lessons of the past and then swing back.

Right now we are on a path that is already producing worse results and IMO may eventually lead to a collapse.

So there is a kind of war. It's between people that think they already know what the result of this path will be and want to stop it and people that want to protect their own desires (no matter what the impact on others) or create an idealistic vision that I believe is a delusion.

Would you marry or go into business with someone that wants something totally different from you and where you believe any compromise will leave you way worse off?

So why organize ourselves politically or economically that way?

Why not just live and let live?

We can still be very good friends and even learn from each other. I just don't want people I disagree with on economic and social matters dragging my ass down the toilet with them.

[TJDave]

I just don't want people I disagree with on economic and social matters dragging my ass down the toilet with them.

Me neither. ;)

I just do what I think is best for me and mine and try not to worry about things I can't control.