Have you ever had a gun pointed at you?

[Tom]

Well, have you?

[horses4courses]

Happy to vote in the negative.

Just wondering what the ulterior motive for this poll is, though. :confused:

[hcap]

Do we include cap pistols? And by cowboys and/or Indians?

Or real firearms by real people.
Including yourself?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/25/3326681/michigan-man-accidentally-kills-demonstrating-guns-safety/

Michigan Man Accidentally Kills Himself While Demonstrating Gun’s Safety

[thaskalos]

I was robbed of $760 in a Chicago elevator when I was 25 years old. I never had the gun pointed at me...but I saw the gun handle as the gun was stuffed into his pants. That was enough to persuade me to hand over the money...

Now I take the stairs...

[Rookies]

I was robbed of $760 in a Chicago elevator when I was 25 years old. I never had the gun pointed at me...but I saw the gun handle as the gun was stuffed into his pants. That was enough to persuade me to hand over the money...

Now I take the stairs...

LOTTA Ca$h at that time for a kid, Thask! ;)

[HUSKER55]

hcap,...............I was joking when I said to grab a gun and go out behind the barn and eliminate some stress. :D

[hcap]

I was robbed of $760 in a Chicago elevator when I was 25 years old. I never had the gun pointed at me...but I saw the gun handle as the gun was stuffed into his pants. That was enough to persuade me to hand over the money...

Now I take the stairs...I voted yes. Also when I was around 22 in San Francisco. Attempted robbery in plain sight. Thief looked more nervous than I was and I could hear people up the block behind me. Gun in his pocket. (I was pretty sure but not positive). Began backing away then turned and ran about 500 ft, and gave him the finger. Don't think I could do that now. Top physical condition at the time. Also kinda stupid.

[Let's Roll]

Yes, 2 times. First time, early 1980's, I was renovating a ( very ) high end jewelry store in Los Angeles. I accidently cut a silent alarm wire below the carpet during business hours.
The response was quiet yet overwhelming. I was on my hands and knees working when suddenly behind me was part of a SWAT team in full tactical gear pointing weapons at me. When I looked out the door later, they had surrounded the building and shut down all the roads for a few blocks in every direction.
Second time, later in the 1980's. I needed to shut a circuit to do minor wiring in a high end private home. None of the circuits in the breaker box were labeled so I shut them down one by one and tested the circuits as I went. I started working when the alarm companies armed response pointed a revolver at me while I was on my back on the kitchen floor, wiring an appliance in a cabinet.

The second incident bothered me more. I never felt in danger during the first, the store staff was there, customers and all that, the police were professional. The other time only one guy entered the house, let's face it, these guys are not pros.....Then I get the third degree and have to prove who I am, ect. I guess I never heard of the " guy who robs a house and holds the perfectly calm homeowner (my friends step mother) hostage while pretending to wire an appliance" scheme.

[michiken]

Yes!

I went to college at Michigan Tech which is in the Upper Pennisula. We went fishing out on the Lake Superior shore line. We were following a stream when we must of trespassed on provate property. Next thing you know, there were 3 Yoopers with shotguns telling us to get off their land. I was ready to sh** my pants.

They followed us for about 20 miles as we headed back to the dorm. They later got arrested because they were snagging trout on that stream.

[Valuist]

I was robbed of $760 in a Chicago elevator when I was 25 years old. I never had the gun pointed at me...but I saw the gun handle as the gun was stuffed into his pants. That was enough to persuade me to hand over the money...

Now I take the stairs...

Were you going/coming from an 1) OTB 2) card game 3) bookmaker?

[Tom]

Happy to vote in the negative.

Just wondering what the ulterior motive for this poll is, though. :confused:

None - it was suggested in the other thread to post it, so I did.

[thaskalos]

Were you going/coming from an 1) OTB 2) card game 3) bookmaker?
Hey...I do respectable things too, you know.

As I recall...I was headed to a downtown Greek Orthodox church...to make my annual membership donation. :)

[TJDave]

I was nineteen. Messing with the wrong girl. Jealous boyfriend. Said he was gonna kill me. She talked him out of it.

[thaskalos]

I was nineteen. Messing with the wrong girl. Jealous boyfriend. Said he was gonna kill me. She talked him out of it.
In my neighborhood...that alone would have gotten you shot. And her as well...

[PaceAdvantage]

Do we include cap pistols? And by cowboys and/or Indians?

Or real firearms by real people.
Including yourself?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/25/3326681/michigan-man-accidentally-kills-demonstrating-guns-safety/

Michigan Man Accidentally Kills Himself While Demonstrating Gun’s SafetyReal firearms by real people NOT including yourself.

[hcap]

I did vote yes.

[Dave Schwartz]

I think we should a new poll: "Have you ever had a shark pointed at you?"

I could say, "Yes" to that one.

[wisconsin]

Thankfully, never. Unless my kids rat-a-tat toy guns count.

[jwb]

Yes.

At a Roy Rogers in College Park, MD. Senior in HS, heading home w/ a few friends from the NCAA Championship lacrosse game (Univ. of MD) ... I'm the DD. I go to sit down, by myself (friends ordering food at the counter).... right in front of me, two tables away, a guy has broken up "something"-white and does the line right in front of me. Obviously, I'm a deer in headlights... as quickly as he took the line, this African American gentleman pulled a gun from his waste, points it right at me, and just starts laughing. I really don't remember... running for the door, yelling to my friends, nothing... just got the hell out of dodge. No shots.

[PhantomOnTour]

Yes - by a police officer (or two).

Was leaving a gated community (no, not the state penitentiary) with a friend and as we approached the exit gates we noticed the road was blocked by three or four police cars.
Naturally we stopped. They drew down and ordered us out of the vehicle.
We carefully complied.
After a quick search of us and a look in the vehicle they decided we weren't "the ones".

About 15 mins earlier someone from that same community reported her home had been robbed, and we were the first car to come down the pike after the police arrived. Only one way in and out of this neighborhood.

Hey, at least they apologized and we had some funny words.
They we GTFO !

[cj's dad]

While working the 4P-12 A shift, when I got off on Thursdays (payday) there was a local bar open that cashed checks served food and had pool tables. We stopped there evry payday and cashed checks, ate and shot pool. 4 guys come in, sit at the bar, order drinks, and start to chit-chat. Five minutes later, one is behind the bar keeping the b'tender from the silent alarm while emptying the til. Two are at the doors and one is emptying our pockets.

I didn't like the looks of these guys when they walked in, one looked oddly familiar to me, so I went to the mens room and stuffed my $200+ dollars and paystub down my underwear, and left $20+ in my wallet. Thats all they got from me. Everyone had a gun pointed at them at one time or another.

Scary stuff.

They were caught several weeks later less than a mile from the original robbery; same MO. Many of us testified. AOne got 15 years, the other 3 got 10 each.

I came to realize that the one had worked in the shipyard and was fired for stealing tools from the departmental tool room.

[Steve 'StatMan']

I responded No, but that would really should be 'none that I was aware of."

[Maximillion]

Not at me per se,but at group of us (teenagers) leaving a flea market in the middle of a Saturday afternoon.

[Robert Fischer]

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[Zaf]

I replied Yes, happened multiple times, all over 30 years ago, moron friends i used to hang out with :bang:

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[Dahoss2002]

Twice in the good ole 70's. Just glad they only pointed and really glad I didn't have one available at either time.

[Robert Goren]

Once in the early 80s when I was running a liquor store in a small town. All I saw the gun barrel. I couldn't tell you what color hair the robber had. I gave the guy the cash(about $200) in the draw and he took some whiskey too. They caught somebody who had pull some similar robberies and add mine to his list. I have no idea if he was the guy or not. He got 3 years for another robbery. He wasn't charged for mine. To this day, all I can recall is the gun barrel. I think it was a revolver but I am not even sure about that.

[GameTheory]

I voted yes because I was robbed "at gunpoint" at a store I worked at in high school, but all I saw was a paper bag and never really believed he had a gun, but maybe he did...

[OntheRail]

Yes both time it was some little smart ass kid... both time they got put in juvy. Was also robbed in front of a church of all places. I was laying brick up for a sign. Skinning Black guy walks up to me, asking me for a light... turned and told him sorry I don't smoke. He then pulls out a knife and said then give me your money. I looking him right in the face slowly pulled a $20.00 out of my left pocket.. he snags it "saying yeah that's what I thought hunky bitch",, smirks and folds back the knife in sticks it in his right pocket and starts to turn. At that point I grab him by his right wrist. He's wide eyed now wiggling scared.. manages to slipped my grip and on the run like a rabbit. Chase him for a few blocks till he almost got clipped by a truck running onto a 4 lane road. I went back to my job site and packed up my tools and headed down to the Police station. Walked in and told them I had been robbed at knife point and need a piece of paper and something to draw with. They wanted more details and I said in a minute paper please. They slid me some paper and a pen and a few moments later I slide back a drawing of the robber. Then talked to a detective and made a report. After which I told them I was heading back to the job. About 20 minute later a patrol car comes up to the Church and said they think they spotted to guy and wanted me to confirm. So I get in and we head down to a dive bar.. low and behold I see him out front... he see the car and bolts in and out the back door, office radios other cars in less then 5 minutes they have him. Normal BS back and forth... he ain't never did nothing.. but they had pull a Buck knife out of his pocket on pat down just like I described. Office I'm with walks up and ask his why he ran when he seen us. He said some BS or another... at which point I got out of the cruiser and slapped my hand down on the trunk of the car and said that's him... he denied it. I said really and lifting my hand there was a ring and the robber looks at it not thinking and said Hey That's My Ring!

See when I grabbed him and he pulled away his ring came off in my hand when I stopped at the edge of the roadway I realized I had something clinched in my fist... his ring. As they placed him in the back of the car they all looked at one of the copies of the drawing I did and said it was dead on told him not to smart to rob an artist ( before smart phone area ).

He plead to strong arm robbery and went away for 5 years. Got out and attacked some poor guy who had the same last name as mine with a pipe that put him away for 25.

Now days my response would be quit different... ;)

[Robert Fischer]

great story OntheRail

[BettinBilly]

Luckily, NO. And I've traveled extensively over the years and have been in some very "marginal" areas of the World where you would have thought I certainly would have been robbed at gunpoint.

I've been threatened a few times with "hints" that the person had a gun, but I never saw it.

[Longshot6977]

Why is the poll limited to 'in the USA'? My reply is No.

But if outside the USA, then Yes, in the Bahamas. A local sold my wife and I some dirt raggy weed on the beach (about 30 years ago). And also to some other young Americans on the beach. We didn't want to buy any, but he and his friends were very persuasive. I was in great shape back then. We were pissed to waste about $50 after discovering it was fake crap. I saw him drive by on his little motor scooter the next day and grabbed him by the neck and threatened him that I wanted my money back. He got away.

I followed him with my rental car to a local area where a few of him and his friends were hanging out. I jumped out of my car holding my wallet(since I had sweatpants on and no pockets and didn't trust it in the car in that 'area'). I remember having about $600 in it. When I approached him (my blood was boiling and I was NOT afraid) , about 50 locals came to his rescue and started to get close to me (still clutching my wallet).

I was more afraid of having my wallet stolen than of them fighting me. I slowly walked backwards to my car and got in and drove away thinking "Oh well, there goes my $50". That night, a large yellow '72 thunderbird circled the parking lot of our hotel after we got back from the casino. They must've followed me back. The large native pulled up to us and blocked our path. He pulled out a small silver pistol (maybe .38?) and pointed right at me and told me to buy his coke. he pulled it out of a hidden pocket in the collar of his dress shirt.We said No thanks. he then said to get in the back seat of his car, still pointing the pistol at me. I wasn't scared, just wanted to beat the crap out of him. My wife was scared and still holding our 4 year old son. She pleaded with him to let us go, he said to hand over $100. She said it's in our hotel room and we'll be right back. He said he'd wait there and we'd better come back. We scooted inside the lobby and got on the elevator my wife pressed floor 3 (we were staying on the 5th floor). We got out on floor 3 and walked up to the 5th floor (pretty clever, huh?) to throw him off in case he followed. When we got in the room, we pushed the dressers and TV and bed against the door, LOL. My wife was so scared, and I wanted to go back down to handle this thug my way. She pleaded I stay in the room. I did like a good boy and stayed put.

The next morning, very early like 6am, we cautiously got in the rental car and dropped it off at the rental drop off, then got into a taxi for the airport (we were scheduled to leave that morning anyway). As we were heading back to the airport, we were all in the back seat and we saw the dude drive past us looking for us. He had no idea we were in the taxi. My son, who we assumed knew nothing of what occurred, saw him and said out loud in the car "So long suckers". LOL! :)

[RunForTheRoses]

Why is the poll limited to 'in the USA'? My reply is No.

But if outside the USA, then Yes, in the Bahamas. A local sold my wife and I some dirt raggy weed on the beach (about 30 years ago). And also to some other young Americans on the beach. We didn't want to buy any, but he and his friends were very persuasive. I was in great shape back then. We were pissed to waste about $50 after discovering it was fake crap. I saw him drive by on his little motor scooter the next day and grabbed him by the neck and threatened him that I wanted my money back. He got away.

I followed him with my rental car to a local area where a few of him and his friends were hanging out. I jumped out of my car holding my wallet(since I had sweatpants on and no pockets and didn't trust it in the car in that 'area'). I remember having about $600 in it. When I approached him (my blood was boiling and I was NOT afraid) , about 50 locals came to his rescue and started to get close to me (still clutching my wallet).

I was more afraid of having my wallet stolen than of them fighting me. I slowly walked backwards to my car and got in and drove away thinking "Oh well, there goes my $50". That night, a large yellow '72 thunderbird circled the parking lot of our hotel after we got back from the casino. They must've followed me back. The large native pulled up to us and blocked our path. He pulled out a small silver pistol (maybe .38?) and pointed right at me and told me to buy his coke. he pulled it out of a hidden pocket in the collar of his dress shirt.We said No thanks. he then said to get in the back seat of his car, still pointing the pistol at me. I wasn't scared, just wanted to beat the crap out of him. My wife was scared and still holding our 4 year old son. She pleaded with him to let us go, he said to hand over $100. She said it's in our hotel room and we'll be right back. He said he'd wait there and we'd better come back. We scooted inside the lobby and got on the elevator my wife pressed floor 3 (we were staying on the 5th floor). We got out on floor 3 and walked up to the 5th floor (pretty clever, huh?) to throw him off in case he followed. When we got in the room, we pushed the dressers and TV and bed against the door, LOL. My wife was so scared, and I wanted to go back down to handle this thug my way. She pleaded I stay in the room. I did like a good boy and stayed put.

The next morning, very early like 6am, we cautiously got in the rental car and dropped it off at the rental drop off, then got into a taxi for the airport (we were scheduled to leave that morning anyway). As we were heading back to the airport, we were all in the back seat and we saw the dude drive past us looking for us. He had no idea we were in the taxi. My son, who we assumed knew nothing of what occurred, saw him and said out loud in the car "So long suckers". LOL! :)

That's a pretty wild story. I hoped you learned your lesson and be careful when not on home turf lol

[RunForTheRoses]

When I first saw this thread/poll I thought no way a gun at my head...however, now I remember..although this was a 1 out of 10 on the danger scale unlike some of you others.
I was young, think I just turned 15. I was hangin with some slightly older youths, one of whom worked at the local gas station. A bunch of us visited him and decided to smoke some weed (I'm sorry don't advocate it but was my past history...and I did inhale)in the gas station bathroom (typical outdoor opening gas station bathroom).
I barely remember but it was all smoky and all and there was a knock on the door...door pushes open and the owner is standing there with a shotgun commanding us to get out. We each had to pass by up close on the way out with the gun pointed at us. Was pretty crazy at the time but had totally forgotten. Also, this was in a suburban Long Island New York neighborhood on a fairly main road (it was nighttime).

[sammy the sage]

been actually shot at...he missed...eos/tmi...definitely shaken for a bit.

[mountainman]

When I was abt 9, my buddies and I regularly raided a neighbor's grape orchard. Southwestern PA's climate isn't conducive to grapes, but these were delicious. So despite repeated warnings from this loud, creepy guy, we persisted. Eventually, his "tolerance" ran out, because he came charging outside with a rifle. My pals booked out, but I was caught in the act and the dude threatened to shoot me. I cried, pleaded, and pledged eternal gratitude when he finally allowed me to leave.

My remaining worry was how to tell my parents I'd misbehaved badly enough to incur violent threats from an adult. Mom was sympathetic and hugged me until I quit crying. I begged her not to tell dad, but she did-the minute he came in the door from work.

I closed my eyes and braced myself for my dad's legendary temper. But, unbelievably, he was calm, and simply said: "C'mon, Markie, show me which house." Obediently, I led him there, expecting dad to apologize and make me do likewise.

Instead, when the guy walked out, I noticed dad had narrowed his eyes and nearly bared his teeth. Without breaking stride, he walked over and grabbed the guy by the throat. The dude was big, muscular, and word was he'd played pro-football. Plus he was considerably younger than my dad. Didn't matter. It was no contest.

2 minutes later, the guy was rolling around dazed on the ground, his face a mass of blood. 10 minutes later, my dad, a heavy smoker and over 50, was laying on our couch trying to get his breath back as my mom tended his skinned knuckles. They had a rough marriage, and it was the only time I saw her treat him tenderly.

It was a long time before I fully understood what happened that day, and why the man's sin was more egregious than mine. My dad was a complex man, a hard man, and an occasionally violent man, but, god, how he loved me.

By the way, 3 days later the guy came to our house, apologized, and gave me full permission to eat all the grapes I wanted. Sometimes, after I'd gorged myself, he would bring out a football or a baseball which we would toss around. As it turned out, he was indeed quite an athlete, and would take a permanent interest in my sporting endeavors. Eventually, dad began joining us in our games of catch.

[OverlayHunter]

I believe it was 1965 or 1966 and I had a job selling children's books door-to-door. I think the set was about $20. I sold a set (got a contract and cash or a check) to a woman who liked the series a lot but was very concerned about what her husband would say when he got home.

I was 5 or 6 houses down the street when I noticed what I was pretty sure was her husband arriving home. Being young and dumb and I went back to the home with the intent of explaining the sale to him so he would be comfortable with his wife's decision. Sure enough he was there. I proceeded to explain the virtues, etc. and, when I was done, he asked for the money and the contract. In those days there was no 3 day right of recission (sp?) and I politely explained that once a contract was signed it was valid and the company didn't permit me to void them.

Well, we went back and forth about that several times - he asked several times and I politely refused each time whereupon he politely excused himself and said he'd be back in a minute. He returned with a 12 gauge and leveled it at me. In my young, stupid, naive brain I was not even remotely alarmed - it was beyond my comprehension that someone would shoot you over such a matter. Again he asked several times and I politely refused each time. Finally, for some reason, I asked if the shotgun was loaded. He replied with a very cold expression on his face "There's only one way you're going to find out." For some reason that finally scared me - I gave him the contract and the money and got the heck out of there.

Today I believe people would shoot you for a nickel or less.

[JustRalph]

I believe it was 1965 or 1966 and I had a job selling children's books door-to-door. I think the set was about $20. I sold a set (got a contract and cash or a check) to a woman who liked the series a lot but was very concerned about what her husband would say when he got home.

I was 5 or 6 houses down the street when I noticed what I was pretty sure was her husband arriving home. Being young and dumb and I went back to the home with the intent of explaining the sale to him so he would be comfortable with his wife's decision. Sure enough he was there. I proceeded to explain the virtues, etc. and, when I was done, he asked for the money and the contract. In those days there was no 3 day right of recission (sp?) and I politely explained that once a contract was signed it was valid and the company didn't permit me to void them.

Well, we went back and forth about that several times - he asked several times and I politely refused each time whereupon he politely excused himself and said he'd be back in a minute. He returned with a 12 gauge and leveled it at me. In my young, stupid, naive brain I was not even remotely alarmed - it was beyond my comprehension that someone would shoot you over such a matter. Again he asked several times and I politely refused each time. Finally, for some reason, I asked if the shotgun was loaded. He replied with a very cold expression on his face "There's only one way you're going to find out." For some reason that finally scared me - I gave him the contract and the money and got the heck out of there.

Today I believe people would shoot you for a nickel or less.

I gotta ask........was this in Columbus? South or west side? :lol:

[OverlayHunter]

Ralph, it was in Columbus but I didn't know the city well at that time and I don't recall exactly where it was. It was an upper blue collar / lower white collar neighborhood of modest single family homes.

[JustRalph]

Ralph, it was in Columbus but I didn't know the city well at that time and I don't recall exactly where it was. It was an upper blue collar / lower white collar neighborhood of modest single family homes.

Just having fun with you. Great story.

I miss Columbus, sometimes............. :lol:

[elysiantraveller]

I voted yes and have been shot at. I was 14 and squirrel hunting on our property along the Kalamazoo river. Now whenever I'm in the field I always wear blaze orange so I'm visible. Well as I'm sitting on this log about 100 feet above the river at the top of this bank some guys are river floating for ducks and as they go by some ducks that I didn't know were there take off and fly directly between me and the boat. The two guys pull up and in my head go "oh s***". I drop off the log behind it as they start shooting, the log took a bunch of steel shot as well as the surrounding stuff. After 5 seconds I pop back up and with my .22 put a couple of rounds in the water about 50 feet from their boat and yell "how in the f*** did you not see me?" In fairness to them they pulled up on shore and ran up that bank to make sure I was okay but it was a pretty scary experience.

[kingfin66]

It is surprising to me that more people have voted yes than no. Yikes. We live in a violent society. I am happy to report that I was able to vote NO.

[thaskalos]

It is surprising to me that more people have voted yes than no. Yikes. We live in a violent society. I am happy to report that I was able to vote NO.

I was surprised too, initially. And then I reminded myself that this is -- after all -- a GAMBLING site. :)

[fast4522]

I voted no, people sometimes put themselves inside harms way. Working in places desperate people like to rob will often present a barrel of a gun the longer you work there. If you think some place is hot and a gun might be handy to have, don't go there. I am not saying that I have never gotten in a tough spot, just that I have never been covered by a gun barrel. Real danger is more likely on the road at high speeds, again putting ones self inside harms way.

[boxcar]

LOTTA Ca$h at that time for a kid, Thask! ;)

Gotta wonder what nefarious racket he was in... :lol: :lol:

Boxcar

[boxcar]

I was nineteen. Messing with the wrong girl. Jealous boyfriend. Said he was gonna kill me. She talked him out of it.

Wonder if she ever had any regrets after that...? :lol: :lol:

Boxcar

[Marshall Bennett]

I've kinda been waiting and reading some of the post. I had just turned 19, my grandmother just died, and her 67 Impala was given to me by my folks. Not even a week later I pulled into the Stadium Bowling Lanes parking lot in Houston lot to go in and shoot some pool. As I exited the car 3 blacks approached me, one with a pistol, and was ordered back into the car in the backseat. The gunman sat in the back with me with the other two in front. I was driven to the southeast part of town in a somewhat middle class black neighborhood and dropped off on a street-corner. The assholes then sped off firing what sounded like a cap gun out the rear window in the air.
I went to the first house I could get to and knocked on the door. An elderly black couple let me in and were really upset when I told them what had happened. They allowed me to phone the police and then offered me coffee and something to eat. I took the coffee. They were really nice. The police arrived and took their report and were about to leave when I asked them for a lift to a service station. They were going to leave me there said it was against regulations. I said really, but if I were to commit a crime you'd take me. They eventually gave me the ride and I called home from the service station. The car was found a month later totaled.

[cj's dad]

I hate to say this but the fact that you had the gall to identify your perpetrators as black will forever label you as a racist. Sorry,but by some standards (some posters here- as in "Mostpost") will vilify you as being a racist; get used to it, I have. Keep speaking the truth; everything else will fall in place !!

[thaskalos]

I hate to say this but the fact that you had the gall to identify your perpetrators as black will forever label you as a racist. Sorry,but by some standards (some posters here- as in "Mostpost") will vilify you as being a racist; get used to it, I have. Keep speaking the truth; everything else will fall in place !!

What if Mostpost does not respond to that post in the manner that you have suggested...and you end up as the only one to voice such an opinion?

Does that mean that you are the only one here to whom this thought has occurred?

[CincyHorseplayer]

I count 3.I gun pointed at me in traffic from the road and 2 pointed at over women.1 white,2 black.I knew it was BS posturing or I would be dead right now.

[Marshall Bennett]

I hate to say this but the fact that you had the gall to identify your perpetrators as black will forever label you as a racist.
Labels don't bother me, guns pointed at me do. By now, except for maybe a few that have been hiding under a rock for the past 7 years, have already labeled me a racist. I don't care. Most people are to some degree, some are simply more willing to admit it than others.
Few liberals would ever admit being the least bit racist. Much of their success, particularly in politics, is achieved using race as a motivating tool to their advantage.

[cj's dad]

What if Mostpost does not respond to that post in the manner that you have suggested...and you end up as the only one to voice such an opinion?

Does that mean that you are the only one here to whom this thought has occurred?

Many here including you have already labelec yourself as left leaning libs.

Make sure you send that PM to MP to alert him to the non posting on this thread strategy.