Mt Rushmore of horse racing

[Stillriledup]

Adding to my Mt Rushmore of sports thread, with an assist to poster Reckless who mentioned this in another thread.

We have Jockeys, Trainers, Owners and horses who can comprise "Rushmore". I think its going to be hard to just pick 4, so here's a beginners list of "Rushmore" for horse racing.

1) Secretariat

2) Man O War

3) The Bald Eagle

4) Woody

5) The Shoe

6) The Pirate




I'm sure you can add quite a few more jocks, trainers and horses....as well as a few owners who belong there.

You can even add announcers, media members and other people involved in horse racing. Remember, its Mt Rushmore, so its the best of the best.

[EMD4ME]

I will only submit one for now as he is missed dearly.....

Ramon Dominguez

[Stillriledup]

I will only submit one for now as he is missed dearly.....

Ramon Dominguez

Ramon's last lifetime ride was exactly 13 months ago, you're right, he's missed in this game for sure and if you want to put him on Rushmore, there's no way i would argue with it.

[thaskalos]

1.) Man O' War

2.) Secretariat

3.) Citation

4.) Spectacular Bid

The horses are the real stars in this game...IMO.

[menifee]

1.) Man O' War

2.) Secretariat

3.) Citation

4.) Spectacular Bid

The horses are the real stars in this game...IMO.

You nailed it. However I would remove bid and add Sea Biscuit. I think the horse needed to capture the American public to be on the Rushmore and that horse did.

[reckless]

A shout out thanks to SRU for mentioning me; sometimes my best ideas happen when I don't even know I have them. :)

I'll construct separate Mount Rushmore's each for horses, trainers, and jockeys, plus honorable mentions. Hell, if Lebron James could try to weasel in on the Mount Rushmore of NBA greats, why can't we?

This could be fun.

Horses:

1--Secretariat

2--Man 'o War

3--Dr. Fager

4--Damascus

Honorable mention: Swaps, Citation, Spectacular Bid, Ruffian

Trainers:

1--Woody Stephens

2--Charlie Whittingham

3--Jack Van Berg

4--D. Wayne Lukas

Honorable mention: Todd Pletcher, Richard Mandella, Bobby Frankel, John Campo

Jockeys:

1--Willie Shoemaker

2--Eddie Arcaro

3--Ramon Dominguez

4--Pat Day

Honorable mention: John Velasquez, Gary Stevens, Mike Smith, Angel Cordero

[Thebigguy]

So Ill just do 2000 to now. I know racing before then, but not that well.
Trainers-
1. Baffert
2. Pletcher
3. Lukas
4. Mott

Jockeys-
1. Bailey
2. Stevens
3. JV
4. Ramon

Horse-
1. Ghostzapper
2. Point Given
3. Zenyatta
4. Curlin/Bernardini/Mineshaft tie

[jk3521]

Thank you,guys for "remembering Woody Stephens. One of the great "Class Acts"in any sport! The guys on the 2000 plus years list are delegated to be his stable hands! :D

[tanner12oz]

Zenyattas face 4 times..lol

[jk3521]

How about Sarah Jessica Parker . She has a "horse face" :lol:

(Don't mind me, it's 5 a.m. and I couldn't sleep last night.)

[aaron]

Horse Trainers

Secretariat Woody Stephens
Forego Mac Miller
Affirmed Pletcher
Kelso Lukas


Jockeys
Cordero
Bailey
Pincay
Dominguez

[TheEdge07]

Trainer

Aidan Obrien

Jockey

Shoe

Handicapper

Beyer

Horse

Secreatriat

Ramon on Mt.Rushmore :confused:

[rastajenk]

Ramon on Mt.Rushmore :confused:
Yeah, that's a real recency bias.

[RacingFan1992]

Owners/Breeders
Penny Chenery
Warren/Lucile Wright
Gladys Phipps
Bull Hancock

Trainer
Ben Jones
Jim Fitzsimmons
Charlie Whittingham
Frank Whitley

Jockeys
Eddie Arcaro
Bill Shoemaker
Ron Turcotte
John Longden

Horses
Secretariat
Ruffian
Dr. Fager
Man O' War

[TheEdge07]

Yeah, that's a real recency bias.

Chris Mccarron
Gary Stevens
Baeza
Acaro
Johnny Velasquez
Gary Stevens
Sandy Hawley
Jorge Velasquez

Ramon picked over these..:bang:

[Robert Fischer]

I will only submit one for now as he is missed dearly.....

Ramon Dominguez

:ThmbUp: Came to mind here as well.

[Robert Fischer]

1.) Man O' War

2.) Secretariat

3.) Citation

4.) Spectacular Bid

The horses are the real stars in this game...IMO.

Nice list.

[turninforhome10]

Horses
Man O War
Secretariat
Regret- For helping to establish the Kentucky Derby as an American Institution and the first filly to win the Derby
Dr Fager- My Favorite horse of all time.

Trainers
Sunny Jim Fitzsimmons- Trained 2 triple crown winners and Bold Ruler-
D Wayne Lukas
Woody Stephens- Was a master of the Belmont

Jockeys
Eddie Arcaro
Jimmy Winkfield


Owner\Breeders
John Nerud- Tartan Farms
Fred Hooper
Edward R (Colonel) Bradley

[justonetime]

John Henry
Secretariat
Sea Biscuit
Man o War

[badcompany]

Tom

[jk3521]

The two dollar bettor! , the backbone of racing! :)

[cj]

I'll make mine of horses I've seen race in person:

Alysheba (Monmouth), Holy Bull (Monmouth), John Henry (Meadowlands), Silver Charm (Pimlico)

[speed]

Honorable mention Cigar

[JimG]

My list:


Secretariat - Horse

Shoemaker - Jockey

Stephens - Trainer

Beyer - Horseplayer

[jahura2]

For my Mt. Rushmore I am going to stick with only horses and those I have seen.

1. Secretariat
2. Personal Ensign
3. Alysheba
4. Seattle Slew

[taxicab]

Cool thread.

RIBOT
Secretariat
Native Dancer
Ruffian

Good luck beating any of that bunch.....

[wiffleball whizz]

In my time which I guess I'll put it at 1996 to present

Horses
Point given
Cigar
Zenyatta(though I don't agree)
Smarty jones

Trainers
Bob baffert
Lukas
Pletcher(I think he's terrible with horse)
Larry jones

Owners/breeders
Who cares


Overall history
Secretariat and woody Stevens

[Stillriledup]

Gino and Simon talking "Mt Rushmore" today with Mirror Man over the air waves today (Feb 21)

You're welcome guys. :D

[wisconsin]

Secretariat
John Henry
Man O War
Citation

Would need space for 10 heads, really.

[Bullet Plane]

I think any list needs to consider duration of success:

1) Kelso ( 4x horse of the year)
2) Forego ( 3X horse of the year)
3) John Henry (2 X horse of the year)
4) Secretariat ( 2X horse of the year)
4) Affirmed ( 2x horse of the year)
5) Cigar ( 2x horse of the year)
6) Curlin ( 2X horse of the year)

[Tom]

Too many legends in the game, horses and people, for one mountain.
We need to take over the Rockies.

But if pressed,

Man O' War
Secretariat
Ruffian
John Henry

[mountainman]

Too many legends in the game, horses and people, for one mountain.
We need to take over the Rockies.

But if pressed,

Man O' War
Secretariat
Ruffian
John Henry

Love that you included J.H. Acquired one of his halters a few years back.

[affirmedny]

Seattle Slew
Affirmed
Dr Fager
Secretariat

Woody Stephens
Laz Barrera
H. Allen Jerkens
DW Lukas

[Hoofless_Wonder]

Like any other sport's Rushmore lists, usually only one name is agreed upon by the majority when giving out four selections - Michael Jordan, Walter Payton, Wayne Gretzky, Babe Ruth, Pele, etc.

So for me, the list is:

1. Secretariat
2. SRU (the man, not the race track, kind of like Teddy Roosevelt - the Rushmore outlier)
3. Hialeah Park
4. A horse, trainer, jockey, writer, handicapper, or racing facility to be named at a later date.....

[Stillriledup]

Like any other sport's Rushmore lists, usually only one name is agreed upon by the majority when giving out four selections - Michael Jordan, Walter Payton, Wayne Gretzky, Babe Ruth, Pele, etc.

So for me, the list is:

1. Secretariat
2. SRU (the man, not the race track, kind of like Teddy Roosevelt - the Rushmore outlier)
3. Hialeah Park
4. A horse, trainer, jockey, writer, handicapper, or racing facility to be named at a later date.....

:D

Thanks for the vote, now i'm tied with Andy Beyer with 1 vote each!

[Irish Boy]

Lexington
Man o'War
Citation
Secretariat

[phattty]

Secretariat

Dr Fager. Can't help myself still fastest colt I ever saw

Kelso

Citation



Jocks

Arcaro

Shoemaker



Trainers

Woody Stephens

D.Wayne Lucas

Cappers

Steve Klessel. .........philly daily

Beyers


Pace advantage poster.."Zilzal. Just by entering a discussion was like gasoline on a grease fire

[Prytanis]

Eclipse

[Prytanis]

Kincsem

Hungarian mare, undefeated in 54 lifetime starts! One of the all time greats!!!

[thaskalos]

Kincsem

Hungarian mare, undefeated in 54 lifetime starts! One of the all time greats!!!
What were her Beyers?

[Prytanis]

What were her Beyers?

Ask him!

[Stillriledup]

Mt Rushmore owner Penny Chenery celebrates 94 years young today! :ThmbUp:

Happy birthday to the First Lady of horse racing!

[Mandrake]

SRU, you give Penny a big birthday kiss, and I will take Diane Lane.

[MutuelClerk]

Secretariat

Lukas

Keeneland

Jennifer Tilly, Let It Ride in that red dress.

[EMD4ME]

I nominate.....




























SRU and I'mriledup

[VeryOldMan]

Not sure how this one got bumped - if we get 4 for the entire sport, how about 1 each of the following:

1. Horse
2. Stallion
3. Trainer
4. Jockey

Owner might belong there instead, I admit.

[therussmeister]

The problem with a Mt. Rushmore for horses is, carved into the side of a mountain, all horses would look alike to me. I wouldn't be able to tell Secretariat from Mr. Zippy (http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=8846416&registry=T)

[Stillriledup]

The problem with a Mt. Rushmore for horses is, carved into the side of a mountain, all horses would look alike to me. I wouldn't be able to tell Secretariat from Mr. Zippy (http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=8846416&registry=T)

You would be able to tell. ;)

[Track Collector]

The problem with a Mt. Rushmore for horses is, carved into the side of a mountain, all horses would look alike to me. I wouldn't be able to tell Secretariat from Mr. Zippy (http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=8846416&registry=T)

Perhaps you meant Zippy Chippy! (Mr. Zippy looks like a champion compared to the Zipster. :)

BTW I've watched Zippy Chippy race in person a couple times (and lived to tell about it!). I recall he is now around 20 years old.

[mountainman]

Spectacular Bid
Man o' War
Secretariat
Colin

[Stillriledup]

Bill Finleys Mt Rushmore

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/story/_/id/10590783/the-mt-rushmore-horse-racing

[Redboard]

Since each of the four presidents served at least four years, to make my list, you would have to had done likewise.

Kelso (5x HOY, but who’s counting.)
John Henry
Forego
Seabiscuit

[thespaah]

Eddie Arcaro, Laffit Pincay.....Man O'War, Secretariat......Woody Stevens, Charlie Whittingham.....

[Redboard]

US Stallions

Northern Dancer
Mr Prospector
Bold Ruler
AP Indy

[classhandicapper]

This is just modern times on dirt based on speed (not speed figures), stamina, versatility, intangibles, and overall career.

1. Secretariat
2. Seattle Slew
3. Dr Fager (would be ranked 2nd if he had a little more stamina)
4. Affirmed
5. Bid
6. Ghostzapper
7. American Pharoah

I change the ranking a little from time to time depending on how my thinking evolves.

[Stillriledup]

US Stallions

Northern Dancer
Mr Prospector
Bold Ruler
AP Indy

I know it's early, but what about Tapit? He's getting there.

[AlBundy33]

Man O'War
Secretariat
Niatross
Forego

[Stillriledup]

Controversial thought:

Zenyatta and Rachel both Mt Rushmore?

I think yes. Any thought on these two giants of racing?

[tucker6]

Controversial thought:

Zenyatta and Rachel both Mt Rushmore?

I think yes. Any thought on these two giants of racing?
I say no. I don't believe they are the two best females to ever grace the track. Other nominees would be:

Ruffian
Personal Ensign
Genuine Risk
Ladies Secret

I say Ruffian and Zenyatta in that order, but wouldn't argue too much if someone picked two others. I think it is one of those, "on any given day" discussions.

[Mandrake]

Found this interesting.

Eclipse (raced 1769-1770) won 18 races without being defeated, including 11 King's Plates. It is said that he was never fully extended. He's remembered in the saying, "Eclipse first and the rest nowhere" to refer to a dominating victory. He was retired from racing because no one could be found to bet against him. He was also a great sire and is the tail-male progenitor of nearly 95% of modern Thoroughbreds.

[tucker6]

Found this interesting.

Eclipse (raced 1769-1770) won 18 races without being defeated, including 11 King's Plates. It is said that he was never fully extended. He's remembered in the saying, "Eclipse first and the rest nowhere" to refer to a dominating victory. He was retired from racing because no one could be found to bet against him. He was also a great sire and is the tail-male progenitor of nearly 95% of modern Thoroughbreds.
Supposedly he was the first horse to express the X factor gene.

[Stillriledup]

I say no. I don't believe they are the two best females to ever grace the track. Other nominees would be:

Ruffian
Personal Ensign
Genuine Risk
Ladies Secret

I say Ruffian and Zenyatta in that order, but wouldn't argue too much if someone picked two others. I think it is one of those, "on any given day" discussions.

I know Ruffian is a legend, but can you tell me why Z has been hammered for beating 'tomato cans' 'not shipping much' etc when Z's accomplishments tower over Ruffians I haven't ever heard one speck of critique on Ruffian while Z gets hammered.

[v j stauffer]

I say no. I don't believe they are the two best females to ever grace the track. Other nominees would be:

Ruffian
Personal Ensign
Genuine Risk
Ladies Secret

I say Ruffian and Zenyatta in that order, but wouldn't argue too much if someone picked two others. I think it is one of those, "on any given day" discussions.

Excellent list.

Personally I would include Zenyatta for obvious reasons.

I would also put Azeri in that top 4.

When she did her thing she was impossible to catch.

JMO

[SharpCat]

Zenyatta
Ruffian
Inside Information
Lady's Secret

[tucker6]

I know Ruffian is a legend, but can you tell me why Z has been hammered for beating 'tomato cans' 'not shipping much' etc when Z's accomplishments tower over Ruffians I haven't ever heard one speck of critique on Ruffian while Z gets hammered.
Ruffian was a little like JFK the president. You really liked what you saw in the little time they were able to perform. In both cases, we extrapolate to greatness.

Ruffian facts:

1. Was 10-0 before her final race
2. Set stakes records in all 8 that she entered
3. Set two track records
4. Was in the lead at every call in every race she ever ran (less last)
5. Average length of victory was 8.3 lengths.
6. Ran from 5.5F to 12F


Ran 12F in 2:27.80. That's unbelievable for a 3yo filly.

[classhandicapper]

Controversial thought:

Zenyatta and Rachel both Mt Rushmore?

I think yes. Any thought on these two giants of racing?

Both are among the best fillies I've ever seen (starting with Ruffian).

[Kash$]

Princess Rooney not Mt.Rushmore but I would rank her ahead of Inside Information.

[burnsy]

Perhaps you meant Zippy Chippy! (Mr. Zippy looks like a champion compared to the Zipster. :)

BTW I've watched Zippy Chippy race in person a couple times (and lived to tell about it!). I recall he is now around 20 years old.

Old Friends, Cabin Creek........Zippy Chippy. 100 starts, 0 wins, 8 places, 12 shows. He'll be 25 in April, I believe.

http://www.oldfriendsatcabincreek.com/our-horses


Personal Ensign was a pretty good Distaff runner. Never lost, 13-0. Beat Gulch and Kings Swan in the Whitney. Beat Winning Colors twice and the second time was unbelievable. A BC win on the slop where she bounds down the stretch and catches Winning Colors at the line in a race where she looked like she had no chance. Its a race worth watching multiple times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSpBui9UIkM

[burnsy]

Personal Ensign was a pretty good Distaff runner. Never lost, 13-0. Beat Gulch and Kings Swan in the Whitney. Beat Winning Colors twice and the second time was unbelievable. A BC win on the slop where she bounds down the stretch and catches Winning Colors at the line in a race where she looked like she had no chance. Its a race worth watching multiple times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSpBui9UIkM[/QUOTE]

I left out the "Mt Rushmore call" with Durkin.....its one for the ages too.

"The Derby winner is loose on the lead"......................"Here comes Personal Ensign unleashing a furious run on the outside!"......"At the 16th pole it looked like Personal Ensign was facing her first defeat, but in those final 110 courageous yards she certainly proved herself a champion this afternoon." Its almost just as good as the race.

[CosmicWon]

I'd have to throw in Storm Cat on the "Sire Mt Rushmore". Was thinking about one of his best runners, Sharp Cat, earlier today IRT the Las Virgenes this weekend. She's still the most recent horse to have a walkover in a graded stakes?

True story, there is a HUGE tapestry on the wall of Storm Cat when you walk into the W.T. Young (natch) main library here at UK. It's pretty neat. :)

My list for funsies:

Sires:
Storm Cat
Mr. P
Northern Dancer
Tapit/Galileo


Trainers:
Lukas
Ben Jones for Calumet
Woody Stephens
John Nerud


Runners:
Secretariat
John Henry
Zenyatta/Ruffian/Lady's Secret/Azeri
Man o War

Jockeys:
Bailey
Bill Hartack
Arcaro
Shoemaker

[Stillriledup]

I'd have to throw in Storm Cat on the "Sire Mt Rushmore". Was thinking about one of his best runners, Sharp Cat, earlier today IRT the Las Virgenes this weekend. She's still the most recent horse to have a walkover in a graded stakes?

True story, there is a HUGE tapestry on the wall of Storm Cat when you walk into the W.T. Young (natch) main library here at UK. It's pretty neat. :)

My list for funsies:

Sires:
Storm Cat
Mr. P
Northern Dancer
Tapit/Galileo


Trainers:
Lukas
Ben Jones for Calumet
Woody Stephens
John Nerud
Bald eagle

Runners:
Secretariat
John Henry
Zenyatta/Ruffian/Lady's Secret/Azeri
Man o War


Jockeys:
Bailey
Bill Hartack
Arcaro
Laffit
Shoemaker

Great list. I added one jock and one trainer to your list.

[Mandrake]

Where's Cordero? The toughest SOB to ride a horse. You always got your money's worth when you bet a horse he was riding.

[Stillriledup]

Where's Cordero? The toughest SOB to ride a horse. You always got your money's worth when you bet a horse he was riding.

I don't think too many would argue if he was on the list.