View Full Version : Pedigree Books??

02-03-2014, 01:28 PM
Hello. I feel that the weakest part of my game is knowing horses pedigree information. More specificly about

What types of pedigree's win early
Who is best bred for the turf.
Who takes to an off track the best.
Those are the main 3 things I am looking for. Could anyone suggest a book that discusses this?


02-03-2014, 05:07 PM
I buy the Bris Sire Stats every year. I use it mostly for first out winners. Cost is about $45, includes postage.

A+ is 20% or more with 30+ starts.
A 18%+
B 14%+
C 8%+
D 5%+

I take the sire's rating and halve the dam sire's.

Since they use a letter grade the rating I give horses is if the sire is an A and the dam sire is a C. C is two levels below an A so the single rating is B+

I the sire is a C and the dam sire is an A, the rating is B-.

Some horse have a -- rating which is zero wins with less than 15 starts.

How I handle this is I use the grand sire and give a rating 2 levels below.

And for sires not in the book I give on level lower and hand write the sire in the book for the future. An example is Mr. Prospector who hasn't been in the book for a few years and his last rating was an A.

Of course Bris ultimate pp's actually give the %'s including the dam herself.

For turf and distance I use the Bris breeding number in the pp's.

02-03-2014, 05:55 PM
Thanks for the info John. Looks like that is a must get book. Would appreciate any other responses as well..

02-03-2014, 05:59 PM
In my opinion you can find all the pedigree info you need for free online.
Also, if you use BRIS pp's they have a lot of pedigree info in there as well.

02-03-2014, 06:04 PM
In my opinion you can find all the pedigree info you need for free online.
Also, if you use BRIS pp's they have a lot of pedigree info in there as well.

I am a DRF Formulator guy. Cant cap a race without it. Dont use brisnet at all. Is there a certain site that has alot of this info for free?

02-03-2014, 06:11 PM
has some good free stuff, you can subscribe and get more if you want

mainly a dosage site, but has great info for the Ky Derby

02-03-2014, 06:24 PM
Thanks Phantom!! I bookmarked them both.

02-03-2014, 08:49 PM

I get the whole kitchen sink for a little over $200.It's nice to print it out in 2 minutes and not have to write anything down plus have all the books for reference.It pays for itself.

02-03-2014, 08:51 PM
Mike Helms' book "Exploring Pedigree" was what got me started on this.


02-03-2014, 09:27 PM
Thanks Cincy. Appreciate it.

02-03-2014, 09:33 PM
Thanks Cincy. Appreciate it.

My favorite races to mine gold are turf maidens.With this stuff I don't miss much.I can email you some stuff too from my own research if you like.My address is Rod2009@zoomtown.com.