Suff info?

[andicap]

Is Suff still in Iraq?

Has anyone heard how he's doing recently with all the new crap going on??

just sign me,

concerned

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't think he's back in Iraq yet....not quite sure where he is, but I now that this past week, he was back in the states (I think).

He's putting in quite a number of frequent flyer miles, for what reason I have not a clue. Been meaning to get some phone time in with him, but haven't been able to synch with his schedule....

[Suff]

HELLO

I'm ok. I'm rolling out.... I'll be landing at JFK Airport Thursday... I'm going to go hang around aqueduct on Friday... I'll stop in and see our Friend (s). I'll give you a call from Manhattan when I get settled ...

to busy to give the long version and to complex to give the shorthand version. This weekend I'll puke the whole month up at once.

Andi and others.. thanks for the concern.

Mike

[Secretariat]

Get back safe Suff.

[jotb]

Originally posted by Suff
HELLO

I'm ok. I'm rolling out.... I'll be landing at JFK Airport Thursday... I'm going to go hang around aqueduct on Friday... I'll stop in and see our Friend (s). I'll give you a call from Manhattan when I get settled ...

to busy to give the long version and to complex to give the shorthand version. This weekend I'll puke the whole month up at once.

Andi and others.. thanks for the concern.

Mike


Hey Suff:

I was thinking about you and was going to post a thread in this section when up popped this thread. With everything that is going on over there, I was concerned about your well being. I'm glad to hear that you are back in the States. The hell with Iraq!

Thank God you are safe,

Joe

[ljb]

Hey Suff,
My wife says, "tell him to stay home."
Good luck at Aqu Friday. :)

[JustRalph]

It is time to take a serious look at our involvement there.

Every day there are news reports about more deaths.
Every night on the TV are photos of death and destruction.
Why are we still there?

The land is too large to secure all of it. The bad people
causing this damage can roam anywhere, and we can't
possibly police the whole place. Why are we still there?

We occupied this land, which we had to take by force,
but it causes us nothing but trouble. Why are we still there?

Their government is unstable, and in the process of changing.
Why are we still there?

Refugees are fleeing by the thousands, driven from their homes.
Why are we still there?

It will cost billions to rebuild, which we can't afford. Why are we
still there?

There are more than 1000 religious sects. We can't even secure
the borders. Why are we still there?

And to repeat. Every day we hear of more Americans killed in this
dangerous land.

It is clear! We must abandon California.

[Suff]

I'm not going back to Iraq...... I went for a number of reasons... personal financial gain being the number one. I said before I left that I was not a danger freak..nor insane. The situation was described to me as safe (as safe can be under the circumstances).

I have no interest in dying for my greed button. I'm reluctant to get into any heated debates about the politics of the war---or our current situation. But i wlll say this
about my personal experiences.

My effort was unique. I went in in a "freelance" sort of way. I roamed freely.. with little rules or constraints. People that know me from the board know I'm very gregarious... and have an over the top level of bravado.... I most certainly would have come in harms way in the near to midterm future. I'm not a rule follower... I get out.. I talk to people.. I ask the tough questions...

I'll answer any question anyone has about the Iraqi People I met and talked to... and believe I talked... I did!!. I dined in thier homes... I played soccer with them in the night... I took rides down to the persian Gulf and sat by the water talking about the future of mankind... and more than that... I answered 100's and 100's of questions from people who have a frightened and unknown knowledge of America and Americans.

The move was a bust... for my pocket. But for my life it was perhaps the geatest thing I ever did. I went. For that I am proud.

heres a brain buster

What do you think of a man that

1. Works 10-12 hours a day
2. Never had sex before his marriage night.
3. Has never had sex outside his marriage
4. Is Devoutly religious--and lives it
5. Alcohol has never touched his lips
6 Drugs has never touched his lips
7. Has never seen Pornograghy..nor desires too.
8. Thinks only of his God , his Country and His family when measuring his success or aspirations for success.
9. He's articulate and intelligent (although limited by sources denied him )


This is the average profile of the men I met that DESPISE America.

[cj]

Glad you are staying home Mike! Let me know when you can make it to Europe!

On a lighter note:

2. Never had sex before his marriage night.

This is only true if you are talking about sex with women in most cases, and that is the truth.

[schweitz]

Originally posted by Suff


What do you think of a man that

1. Works 10-12 hours a day
2. Never had sex before his marriage night.
3. Has never had sex outside his marriage
4. Is Devoutly religious--and lives it
5. Alcohol has never touched his lips
6 Drugs has never touched his lips
7. Has never seen Pornograghy..nor desires too.
8. Thinks only of his God , his Country and His family when measuring his success or aspirations for success.
9. He's articulate and intelligent (although limited by sources denied him )


This is the average profile of the men I met that DESPISE America.

Were these the people that were dancing in the streets the other day rejoicing because of four dead americans whose bodies were being mutilated?

[Suff]

Originally posted by schweitz
Were these the people that were dancing in the streets the other day rejoicing because of four dead americans whose bodies were being mutilated?

No.

Does that raise any other questions or thoughts from you?

[schweitz]

Originally posted by Suff
No.

Does that raise any other questions or thoughts from you?

Yes, I'm wondering what your original point was.

[bill]

are you saying that it isnt just all of the bad guys that hate us but is all of them
(that is most of them)

[Suff]

Originally posted by schweitz
Yes, I'm wondering what your original point was.

It was a question. (somewhat rhetorical)

it is Food for thought... and perhaps discussion.

it is relating my personal experience.

and other obvious intentions..

So that was my point. What was your point in asking if they were the savages that danced among dead bodies on FOX news last week? I answered your question thoughtfully. Would you afford me the same? What was your point in asking me if the men I knew and worked with were the men in Falljuah? Please don't tell me you honestly thought they were or might have been.

I don't want to argue with you. I'll graciously relate my recent personal experiences in the Middle East. Do what you want with it.

[schweitz]

Originally posted by Suff
It was a question. (somewhat rhetorical)

it is Food for thought... and perhaps discussion.

it is relating my personal experience.

and other obvious intentions..

So that was my point. What was your point in asking if they were the savages that danced among dead bodies on FOX news last week? I answered your question thoughtfully. Would you afford me the same? What was your point in asking me if the men I knew and worked with were the men in Falljuah? Please don't tell me you honestly thought they were or might have been.

I don't want to argue with you. I'll graciously relate my recent personal experiences in the Middle East. Do what you want with it.

Of course I didn't think it was the men in Falljuah---You talked to these men---I'm sure they gave you some reasons for despising America . Your post was open ended---if you have a point or insight lets hear it and maybe a discussion will happen.

[Suff]

I have a letter from Depty Defense Secy Paul Wolfowitz. It was distributed widely to everybody associatted with contract awards in Iraq. It concerned the initial 18 billion in awards. I don't have it on this computer or else I'd post it. Bill Weaver has a copy that I sent him about two months ago. he may like to comment on my point.

In that letter he scolds the countries that did'nt support our attack on Iraq. He then goes on to list countries that we must avoid in awarding any of the contract dollars. It's tone is vindictive....sort of like... "Many people are going to make millions from our rebuilding effort and NONE of these countrys or companies can have any of the FUN and BILLIONS....".....
France was on the list... Germany... so on and so on.

Its now 3 months later.... How much you wanna bet that if we could give France the 18 billion Today and hand off the rebuilding effort we would? I know I would...who the HELL wants this problem of Nation re-building? US? I don't... Do you?

Jesus... I'd give anyone.. even Russia... 200 Billion to get us the hell out of this quagmire.

Before anyone that reads this thread jumps to any conclusions. WMD's aside. There are and were , sound reasons for toppling the Bathist regime... and I think its important that if I and others share they're thoughts and experiences that we remain open minded and civil with one another.

My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers tonight.

[Dave Schwartz]

Suff,

Bill's question is a good one. Would it be your assessment from talking with the locals that, as a general rule, they simply hate us?


Dave

[schweitz]

Originally posted by Suff
I have a letter from Depty Defense Secy Paul Wolfowitz. It was distributed widely to everybody associatted with contract awards in Iraq. It concerned the initial 18 billion in awards. I don't have it on this computer or else I'd post it. Bill Weaver has a copy that I sent him about two months ago. he may like to comment on my point.

In that letter he scolds the countries that did'nt support our attack on Iraq. He then goes on to list countries that we must avoid in awarding any of the contract dollars. It's tone is vindictive....sort of like... "Many people are going to make millions from our rebuilding effort and NONE of these countrys or companies can have any of the FUN and BILLIONS....".....
France was on the list... Germany... so on and so on.


I absolutely agree with this--Why should any country who did not provide support or troops be awarded any rebuilding contracts.

[Suff]

Originally posted by bill
are you saying that it isnt just all of the bad guys that hate us but is all of them
(that is most of them)

Bill I talked with about 100 Iraqi people. I would say that 50 out of those 100 I had earnest and honest conversation with.

Thats excluding all the people on planes and resturants and airports and trains that I engaged in polite conversation with. I was in 3 Middle eastern countries and England and of course America over the last month. But I'm being really tight with my numbers when I say I had quality converstation with respect to geo-political and cultural issues with 50 . If pressed I would Say

80% do not trust America because they no nothing about us beyond the propaganda.

60% Fear America...

25% distrust/dislike us.


25% Would like to see us eliminated.

I'll tell you the place where I got a shocking anti-american feeling was London. Thats a Function of they're freedom however... Like Americans, they say what they think. And I was surprised at the anti-american tone in London.

With respect to Scweitz comment about the rewards of reconstruction.... This is where it gets hard. Why would anyone want to send Anericans to die... Civilian or military for a Construction contract. If your upste at germany and france for not supporting the war and you'd like to put the fx on them... Give them these godamn rebuilding contracts. That'll torture them.n Believe me.

Think about this. There are no companies in Iraq. There are a few now but for the sake of understanding the point there were none 60 days ago. There was no private industry as you and I know it. So who do you spend the 18 billion on? The bathist were the employees. A power plant in Baghdad was staffed by Bathisyt loyalists. They were paid the best... Lived the best and now they are unemployed... or not? Because you do not pull a man in off the street to run a Hydrogen flow control system into steam boiler. There are No companies. Your forced to work with ex-bathist's... or ? Its complex. There are no companies with 15 Cranes...a yard full of front end loaders, a staff of instrument engineers and design engineers and 150 carpenters and 150 Iron workers and 200 laborers on the payroll... that are just waiting to BID on the jobs... Thye do not exist.

Further... Charging interest is a Violation of ISLAM. Islam banks do not charge interest on loans,,, they generally do asset based lending and attach income streams generated from the asset. A portion of the rents from an apartment per se... or a share of the income from a hotel or a back end interest upon a sale. Again.. these are complex issues when we try and apply USA contrcat standards to the rebuilding effort.

Money has no value in Islam. Most People are not geared that way over there. They think so profoundly different than you and I. Its so hard to explain until you meet them and watch them.

Anyway... Thats a shorthand version of some of the profound differneces that will make our trabsistion hard there.. I'll share more another time.

But answer this anyone and everyone. When our Govt says "THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM"? What do you think they are talking about? What doi you think you are doing everyday that threatens radical Muslims? What freedom do you think thye are afraid of? Free speech? They have a pretty fair level of free speech there and certainly in most of the ME they do. From what I saw. People openly discussed sports, politics, culture and religion. After all... these "demonstrations" you see this past week... You do not think thye just learned all that do you? They have freedom of religion to a certain degree... Tarek Azeize was a christian...and Saddmans number 2. 15% of the country is christian...and 20% Sunni Muslim and 65% Shiite Muslim... so they were not and are not a ONE RELIGOUS STATE. thye certainly do not have the level of religous freedom we do... but for the sake of my question grant me that they have some religous freedom.

Landing at Kuwait airport is a little bit like being in Miami. Beautiful coast line... then you see them..one after the other
applebees, Fridays, Kentucky Fried chicken, PIZZA Hut, Mcdonalds... all along the ocean drive... On the other side.. FORD, GM, FEDEX, UPS... so do not think for a minute that Middle easterns do not see american capitialist in there everyday lives.

Outside of Iraq (due to sanctions) AMERICA dominates the economic landscape.

So I would like people to think a Minute... and assume my points have truth to them...
That by and large Middle easterns and Iraq by default have some degree of

1. Free speech
2. Religous freedom
3 economic Freedom
4. Freedom to marry and have a family and so on

So I ask you.... What is it about our particuliar brand of freedomn that threatns them? I know. Because I saw it.... and beleive me they have very right to be threatened... because we are doing somethings here in america as far as Human righst that will UNDERMINE virtually every single middle eastern countryif it spreads there.

Even if your idea is off my question. I would lke to ask as Many PA members as are willling... When your president says "they hate our freedom" Whats that mean to you?

I'll tell you what I Firmly belleve it as after I see some responses.. but heres something of a hint or direction I'm going.

My driver was one hell of a guy. I mentioned him in another post. His name was Hassan. His parents fled the 67 War between palestine and Isreal. They entered Kuwait on Egyptian refugee documents. His father taught English to Kuwait Children. He was Born in Kuwait... But still was given an egyptian refugee status. Born in Kuwait..but never a citizen. For 35 years...he and now his children are denied equal access to education, Health care, Employment and every other essential service. He's a 2nd class citizen. Despite what his dad did and despite being born in the country and despite his children being born in the country... they are outsiders. Unequal. Based on the blood that flows through his viens.

[bill]

suf

very obvious you are much more educated than me
so my questions are sharp and to the point and it makes others think im a smart ass but not true its my way of finding out

in your opine after your trip what the hell are we over there for

you stated we had other reasons because of sadam being a very bad man

but if thats it we should have stopped the mess in rowanda and other parts but we didint

suf like i said in the email i sent i hoped for your safty and im glad your home and not going back

bill

[Steve 'StatMan']

Regarding why they may not like our freedoms:

I'm suspecting - Ethnic heritage is everything, and over there, you're forever labeled by your ancestors past, and your future is dictated by whom you came from. Your choice of where to live, etc. is limited, and everyone is still fighting to regain their 'Home Land'. Whereas we in the US have can be anything we work our way up into (given the economics and opportunity), and where we work and live isn't determined by who our ancestors were. (There are still some problems with ethiic discrimintation and many areas in the big cities are still econmically and racial grouped, largely through the economic and life cycles of the events of the past. I know it isn't ideal for all, yet, but better than 60-70 years ago I trust).

I suspect the Bathists are upset that their world is no longer their oyster, and will fight hard to maintain their dominance. I suspect the others would like to move upward into new work and areas but fear the change, plus the resistance they face from the Bathists feeling their domain is being taken from them. Perhaps it is a little like the urban blue-collar white males of the 1860's-1960's fearing loss of economic and power while other ethinic groups filling role and moving into their communities and felt threatened by not being in control anymore.

With America pushing them into that change, the 'haves' may hate us because they fear being turned into 'have-nots' (which doesn't necessarily have to happen) and the rest may 1)want the change because they weren't able to bring it about on their own, 2) feel a loss of pride that they themselves could not gain the power to achieve it, 3) are being forced very quickly into dealing with serious livestyle and social changes that they are not ready to deal with yet - and change is never easy. So there is a fear of a powerful entitiy that is forcing changes that people are unsure of.

Just my thoughts of how some of the feelings may be. Probably isn't all of them, and none of this is easy for them.

I hope they don't fear our freedom because of all the 'garbage' our society does. Many of us who are challenged to live by our religious and/or life principles are not pleased with all that goes on here in the U.S.A. As for me, I'm still damn glad I was born and live here, and am thankful to our troops for what they have done, and have attempted to do under very tough conditions.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Another thing I suspect they may feel is that with freedom, their is choice. Freedom and choices sometimes involves sin, and chosing to things that leads towards sin, or turning away from it. When a society/religion is heavily geared away toward anything sinful, there is an understandable fear that many may choose to turn towards sin/vices, and the problems this can bring to a persons life, and/or concequences in the afterlife, for those that believe, (regardless how the person received their 'call'). I could easily see anyone who has had limited opportunity to sin(or go the wrong direction) may fear being able to stop themsevles once they start. As the old saying goes 'How are you going to keep them down on the farm, once they've seen Paris'. (The city, not Paris Hilton!)

[JustRalph]

Suff I won't argue "some" of your points....you were there. Not me. But.....this one.....is a problem in my mind:

"With respect to Scweitz comment about the rewards of reconstruction.... This is where it gets hard. Why would anyone want to send Anericans to die... Civilian or military for a Construction contract. If your upste at germany and france for not supporting the war and you'd like to put the fx on them... Give them these godamn rebuilding contracts. That'll torture them.n Believe me."

we already know that France, Germany, even Turkish citizens and others were making millions in Oil Profits and other schemes outside the U.N. sanctions. They undermined all efforts and Koffi Anan's family also got rich on these deals. There is some info that points toward spies for Iraq being French and German citizens who were working in the U.S. under the auspices of their home countries....but passing info thru their governments to Iraq and others, including Syria. The French and German reps traveled the world trying to defeat us at the U.N. to save their cash schemes. There is no way in hell Bush and Company are going to allow those assholes access to the country again. And I agree with them.

[Amazin]

Suff

Interesting observations. I get the impression that you have come out with a new perspective regarding the middle east simply cause you have been there. This is the problem with Americans who lump all ME in one bucket of A-RABS. They've never even talked to one yet they fear them and hate them. Yes I have been there and that's why I have sympathy cause I know the reality rather than what I hear on T.V. and newspapers which is often biased. All Americans should have your experience cause you really can't get a true understanding of ME issues unless you have seen them from both sides,literally.

[PaceAdvantage]

Amazin, please spare us the patronizing tones. I don't fear or hate people of Middle Eastern decent, and I've never been to the region. Please don't place me into your vapid categorization of "Americans who lump all ME in one bucket of...."

In case you didn't know, this statement of yours is quite hypocritical since you desire people to understand the situation in the M.E. apart from what they read in the paper and see on TV. Yet here you are lumping many (if not most) Americans under your neat little labels.

What Suff describes is pretty much how I thought it to be over there, so nothing he really says is all that shocking to me.

I found this last post of yours particularly insulting, and coming from you, that's saying something!

[kenwoodallpromos]

I have been there too- Alezandria 1980's, literally garbage and trash piled 2' high all around the outskirts of town. I have also been to Oman and Israel- very clean and modern, thanks partly to U.S. influence and help. People everywhere are nice to tourists with the Yankee Dollar!!

[kenwoodallpromos]

The followers of Islam I have known were in the U.S. I know they can modernize and act more mellow and not be taught hatred without fearing a takeover by western culture and religion if they want too- but if many large numbers are brainwashed by their clerics into wanting everyone and everything destroyed just because they are different from themselves then myself and a couple of other Americans may have a problem with that. They have to control their own radicals and non-muslim countries have to get tough or we will have big trouble for a long time.

[stuball]

Hi Suff

I'm glad to hear that you are getting back home safely...
very few days went by that I did not think of you and all the others in Iraq. Constantly saying a prayer for you all to come home safely....

I have missed your talents and humor on the board. I would consider it a personal loss if something had happened to you..even though I have never met you personally I have a feeling I would be glad to meet you in person...as we share the same desire to attain a goal that is desired by so many and achieved by so few....you are at a level I hope to step up to some day.....Best of Luck

Stuball

[Amazin]

PA"Amazin, please spare us the patronizing tones. I don't fear or hate people of Middle Eastern decent, and I've never been to the region. Please don't place me into your vapid categorization of "Americans who lump all ME in one bucket of...."

First of all I wasn't talking to you.My post was directed towards one individual. Secondly in light of the middle east tensions and the pro Israeli stance of the U.S. government, Middle Easterners have become more suseptible to hate crimes. I suppose you didn't see all the hate crimes that happened to middle easterners after 9/11.Even Bush had to put in a word to stop the attacks. You call acknowledging predjudice by Americans "patronizing"? I would bet top dollar that most(not all) Americans do lump middle easterners in one bucket of negative stereotype. And this board certainly proves that.

[cj]

Of course there is prejudice in America, just as there is in every corner of the world. You state Americans lump all Arabs together. What do you think some Arabs do to us Americans?

Further, saying you've been to the Middle East, therefore you understand it, is a bit of a stretch. It is like a Mexican saying he understands the U.S. after visiting only Oregon. The Middle East is varied, even within a country. I have been to the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar, Kuwait, and Jordan. They are all so different from each other.

Many of these countries' leaders are more concerned with keeping the people oppressed and themselves in power than they are concerned about U.S. support of Israel. Now they are afraid they will be next, as they should be.

[JustRalph]

I am disappointed....... I was looking forward to hearing from Mike throughout the summer..........

We still have LSbets.........who I bet is very busy right now!

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally posted by Amazin
[b]First of all I wasn't talking to you.My post was directed towards one individual. Secondly in light of the middle east tensions and the pro Israeli stance of the U.S. government, Middle Easterners have become more suseptible to hate crimes. I suppose you didn't see all the hate crimes that happened to middle easterners after 9/11.Even Bush had to put in a word to stop the attacks.

I did not assume for one minute that you were specifically talking to me. But as an AMERICAN, I felt compelled to respond.

Also, would you happen to have cold hard stats as to the actual number of hate crimes committed against people of Middle Eastern decent after 9/11? How does this compare with attacks pre 9/11? I was under the impression that there weren't many at all, given the circumstances and how irrational some people might act after a couple of skyscrapers fall into your backyard.

In any event, if you have those numbers, I'm very curious to see just how this played out. It was my understanding that President Bush put in his "word" to PREVENT any such "hate crimes", not to stop an epidemic already in progress.

[bill]

did i miis a post where suf said goodbye to the board

[ljb]

PA said
"I did not assume for one minute that you were specifically talking to me. But as an AMERICAN, I felt compelled to respond."
I too am an AMERICAN and didn't feel the anger you displayed.

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by bill
did i miis a post where suf said goodbye to the board

I was hoping to hear from him "while he was in Iraq"

[ljb]

After re-reading Amazin's post I can see where it could be mis-understood. I also think I know of the person he was speaking of. Will not hazzard a guess in public but there is one poster on board who appears to have a strong dislike for all those of ME background.

[Suff]

Originally posted by Dave Schwartz
Suff,

Bill's question is a good one.

Dave

huh? you suck. know that.

michael e dudley.
boston ma

[Dave Schwartz]

michael e dudley,

What is your problem?


Dave

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally posted by ljb
PA said
I too am an AMERICAN and didn't feel the anger you displayed.

You're confusing anger with dissapointment and insult.

[JustMissed]

Hey Suff, how were the girls?

They mostly show the guys jumping around the streets, but not too many shots of the gals, did you do any of them.

I've never been with a Middle Eastern gal except for a Greek girl in High School, but I don't think that counts because she was a Christian. She looked ok but they don't go in for shaving the private parts, if you know what I mean.

A lot of the gals they showed from Afghanastan(cs) looked pretty hot, but I would like to get a report on the Iraqi gals.

Glad your safe,

JustMissed

[bill]

dont know what that was about mabe i dont need to know

hey dave send me a winner worth a bunch so i can buy your prog

what i got not making me rich;)

bill

[Suff]

Originally posted by JustMissed
Hey Suff, how were the girls?


JustMissed

Jm... I gotta SCRAM NOW..... i'LB E AT A AQUEDUCT THURS FRID SAT AND And if pa doesn;t show he sucks... but i know pat and me will be in the paddock and i -plan on hooting hollering at the redhead,,, but isaw a girl in grovery story in UM QUAsar THAT I KNOW WANTHED TO BE MY FRIEND IN A SPECIAL WAY..

[Suff]

Originally posted by Suff
Jm... I gotta SCRAM NOW..... i'LB E AT A AQUEDUCT THURS FRID SAT AND And if pa doesn;t show he sucks... but i know pat and me will be in the paddock and i -plan on hooting hollering at the redhead,,, but isaw a girl in grovery story in UM QUAsar THAT I KNOW WANTHED TO BE MY FRIEND IN A SPECIAL WAY..

that posted quick... before i was done

if you like tom cruuuuuuuuzes girl... penepole cruz,, you would love iraq... a bunch of malnutured brunttes with pent up sexual desires for blue eyes and "hey f me because"


gotta run.... NYC and massages with happy endings in my future

[PaceAdvantage]

Keeping me on my toes again I see....just for that, I may not show up on Saturday....

[JustMissed]

Know you gotta run but thanks for the quick reply.

I'm a old Navy guy and the first things we wanted to know when we hit the beach was where to get a cold beer and where to get laid.

Gotta know the "lay" of the land.

Have a great weekend, hope you win a bundle.

JustMissed

[JustMissed]

Gee PA, they should hire you to censor the Grammys.

You can detect a S,P,F,C,CS,FM word quicker than my old grandma!

JustMissed

[B. Comin']

Suff,

Glad you ain't going back.

There will be many other 'stands', and safer moolah to make in the future against the Muslim world.

Once again, you showed us 'bastards'(sic) that Suff delivers.

I wouldn't have expected anything different form you. :D

[Suff]

jesus eff in christ what trip

im at the fitzt ptrick in midtown 212 351 6800

under my name..

[Suff]

Originally posted by Suff
jesus eff in christ what trip

im at the fitzt ptrick in midtown 212 351 6800

under my name..

PAa thius is the BETA //// same place diffent compuet.... I',m at 10th and 42nd in manhhattan,,, remember ..wtf? I'm up to no goood,,,,, f';ing around with the poepel that have the around... no goood,, genneralll.,,, but I kinda like it,,,

drop mthe word.. because i', in the streets

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by Suff
PAa thius is the BETA //// same place diffent compuet.... I',m at 10th and 42nd in manhhattan,,, remember ..wtf? I'm up to no goood,,,,, f';ing around with the poepel that have the fucking around... no goood,, genneralll.,,, but I kinda like it,,,

drop mthe word.. because i', in the streets

come on Derek....quit posting under Suff's moniker........

[Suff]

Originally posted by JustRalph
come on Derek....quit posting under Suff's moniker........

ralphy boy.. I'm doing soethng i do once or twice r y4ear.. I'm loaded,,,whacked,

[PaceAdvantage]

IS IT THAT HARD TO FOLLOW THE LANGUAGE GUIDELINES OF THIS PLACE?????

At least PRETEND that you respect my guidelines!!!


DAMN!

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by Suff
ralphy boy.. I'm doing soethng i do once or twice r y4ear.. I'm loaded,,,whacked,

have fun Brother....... enjoy your weekend. Don't forget that aspirin and a glass of water before bedtime........