Coulter on Immigration

[hcap]

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http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-01-29.html

GOP CRAFTS PLAN TO WRECK THE COUNTRY, LOSE VOTERS
January 29, 2014

....As House Republicans prepare to sell out the country on immigration this week, Phyllis Schlafly has produced a stunning report on how immigration is changing the country. The report is still embargoed, but someone slipped me a copy, and it's too important to wait.

Leave aside the harm cheap labor being dumped on the country does to the millions of unemployed Americans. What does it mean for the Republican Party?

Citing surveys from the Pew Research Center, the Pew Hispanic Center, Gallup, NBC News, Harris polling, the Annenberg Policy Center, Latino Decisions, the Center for Immigration Studies and the Hudson Institute, Schlafly's report overwhelmingly demonstrates that merely continuing our current immigration policies spells doom for the Republican Party.

Drudge? Coulter? Strange

[Clocker]

You left out the ugly little details. The polls show that culturally, immigrants are much more likely than native born Americans to favor a big brother government and big welfare programs. They are more likely to believe that international law trumps the Constitution and to favor gun control and affirmative action. And they believe that socialism is a better system than capitalism.

In short, immigrants generally would disagree with the statement attributed to Ben Franklin, "Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

[hcap]

I am reporting on Ann and her reluctant admission of a repeblican weakness that could alter elections..

Your editorializing was briefly mention by Coulter, associating dens with the "welfare state." What else is new? You also can conjecture immigrants will probably acquire more Obamaphones then 70 year old white folks who predominantly watch Fox.. .

And those on food stamps getting free fried chicken dinners. But that is a different discussion. This time it looks like Colture was giving political advice to Bohner. She happens to be correct this time.

[Clocker]

But that is a different discussion.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that I have to have clearance to comment on a linked source.

[Tom]

I reject the idea that our system is broken.
We might need to adjust some things here and there, but a "comprehensive" approach is code for amnesty and padding the dems voting rolls.

Thing major problem with immigration is the Idiot in the WH will not do his job and enforce the laws.

[hcap]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that I have to have clearance to comment on a linked source.You gents have posted hundreds of threads on the so-called "welfare state" I never stopped you. You can bring up the "welfare state" as many times as you wish, and I am sure you can use that to explain every thing that is wrong in thed universe. But other than a passing reference to that, Ann was giving 'pugs political advice.

Excuse me my Obamaphone is ringing. Probably my contact and political revolutionary buddy at the Dem Underground calling me about my more subversive posts to do list on off topic horse racing boards.

[Robert Goren]

Hcap, you should know by now that the last thing the conservatives posters here want to discuss is how the GOP might win elections.

[Clocker]

But other than a passing reference to that, Ann was giving 'pugs political advice.



Coulter was right, and about half her column was spent explaining why she was right, based on the polls showing a shift in culture in this country. And I agreed with her conclusions.

The bottom line is that immigrants are more likely to vote Democrat because the Democratic bias toward big government is more in tune with the cultural leanings of immigrants. How can you possibly discuss the issue without discussing the differences in attitude between immigrants and native born citizens?

The ultimate irony is that so many immigrants are coming here because they are dissatisfied with the results of the welfare state in their homeland, and find the current lesser welfare state here more to their liking. But their growing impact on this society is moving the government more and more toward the environment that they are trying to escape. They want the social benefits of big government AND the economic benefits of capitalism. Sorry, folks, it don't work that way.

[Robert Goren]

I reject the idea that our system is broken.
We might need to adjust some things here and there, but a "comprehensive" approach is code for amnesty and padding the dems voting rolls.

Thing major problem with immigration is the Idiot in the WH will not do his job and enforce the laws. Of course the real reason the GOP won't do anything is that their rich contributors don't want to give their cheap nannies and housekeepers and the small contractors ( nearly 100% republican voters and contributors) don't want give up their cheap day laborers. The system works very well for those republicans. So what if they never see another GOP president and they lose a few seats in Congress. They have to keep the money boys happy.

[PaceAdvantage]

Coulter was right, and about half her column was spent explaining why she was right, based on the polls showing a shift in culture in this country. And I agreed with her conclusions.

The bottom line is that immigrants are more likely to vote Democrat because the Democratic bias toward big government is more in tune with the cultural leanings of immigrants. How can you possibly discuss the issue without discussing the differences in attitude between immigrants and native born citizens?

The ultimate irony is that so many immigrants are coming here because they are dissatisfied with the results of the welfare state in their homeland, and find the current lesser welfare state here more to their liking. But their growing impact on this society is moving the government more and more toward the environment that they are trying to escape. They want the social benefits of big government AND the economic benefits of capitalism. Sorry, folks, it don't work that way.Astute observation. Once I'm sure will be attacked somehow.

[classhandicapper]

Hcap, you should know by now that the last thing the conservatives posters here want to discuss is how the GOP might win elections.

I don't want to win elections at the cost of doing more of the same things wrong. I want to either get it right or I'll simply have to short the country financially and get my assets out of Dodge before the crap hits the fan and they won't let you.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Of course the real reason the GOP won't do anything is that their rich contributors don't want to give their cheap nannies and housekeepers and the small contractors ( nearly 100% republican voters and contributors) don't want give up their cheap day laborers. The system works very well for those republicans. So what if they never see another GOP president and they lose a few seats in Congress. They have to keep the money boys happy.

Unlike the techies ( nearly 100% democrat voters and contributors) that don't want to give up their 13yo. Asian and Indian cheap foreign all-day and all-night laborers to make and provide tech support for their wonderfully innovative and ultra profitable gadgets.

[Clocker]

Astute observation. Once I'm sure will be attacked somehow.

Thank you. "Somehow" = race card. Wait for it.

[jballscalls]

Thank you. "Somehow" = race card. Wait for it.

we're taught in grad school to take race/gender/etc into account for every discussion. No joke.

[Robert Goren]

we're taught in grad school to take race/gender/etc into account for every discussion. No joke.If you are talking politics, you have to.

[TJDave]

The bottom line is that immigrants are more likely to vote Democrat because the Democratic bias toward big government is more in tune with the cultural leanings of immigrants. How can you possibly discuss the issue without discussing the differences in attitude between immigrants and native born citizens?


The simple fact is that immigrants tend to vote democrat because their boss votes republican. Those fortunate enough to reverse their position return the favor.

[Tom]

Hcap, you should know by now that the last thing the conservatives posters here want to discuss is how the GOP might win elections.
Are you in a mary-jane legal state?

[JustRalph]

This issue was lost ten years ago.........

The Repubs are just going to accelerate the lunacy

[classhandicapper]

This is the way I see it.

1. The democrats want both legal and illegal immigration because it helps them win elections.

2. The republicans want both legal and illegal immigration because it helps them gather political contributions from businesses that are looking to keep labor costs down.

3. Immigration is fine and dandy as long as you are only allowing in people that are educated/skilled enough to take care of themselves in the modern economy and are coming here because they want to be part of our way of life (not to change it to what they are used to).

4. You can't have such an attractive social safety net that it encourages immigration of people specifically coming here to take advantage of the system.

5. You can have open borders or a generous social safety net, but you can't have both. You have to pick one. We have both and there in lies the problem.

[Clocker]

2. The republicans want both legal and illegal immigration because it helps them gather political contributions from businesses that are looking to keep labor costs down.

There is no doubt that a lot of businesses use illegal labor, but I have never seen any documentation linking illegal labor with big GOP contributors.

[TJDave]

There is no doubt that a lot of businesses use illegal labor, but I have never seen any documentation linking illegal labor with big GOP contributors.

If I were using illegal labor, liked how that worked and wanted to keep it, I wouldn't think it wise to advertise the fact.

[Clocker]

If I were using illegal labor, liked how that worked and wanted to keep it, I wouldn't think it wise to advertise the fact.

My point is that the big banks, insurance companies, oil companies, etc., that contribute to the GOP don't use illegals. The growers, meat packers, contractors, etc., that use illegals don't make contributions to the GOP. Unless someone can show me evidence to the contrary.

[reckless]

This Comprehensive Immigration Law that will be passed this year will prove to be the death knell of the Republican Party.

And the GOP deserves their demise because they sold out to Corporate America at the expense of the American citizen who has fought this sovereignty battle for many decades.

Corporate American wants an illiterate, unskilled and cheap labor pool. The Republican Party is in bed with the anti-American internationalists Fortune 1000 -- you know the kind, those multinationals too big to fail (and whenever they fail, they get tax-payer bailout and subsidy money from our government).

Democrat Party wants illiterate, unskilled, dependent illegal aliens too. These illegals do not assimilate to our American culture and history; they rarely learn the English language and are raised in Mexico and South America to hate the USA. Collectively these invaders are taught that the USA is the Great Satan. And true to their form, they vote Democrat en masse.

Why is it that all these 'comprehensive', amnesty immigration laws never include Italians, Poles, Irish, German, Jews, Hungarians, and Asian immigrants as part of these bills? Could it be that historically these particular immigrants learn our language, assimilate to our way of life, become law-biding citizens, serve our country as patriots in the armed services and positively contribute to our society?

At one time, trade unions in this country were against illegal immigration. Both Cesar Chavez and the Rev. Martin Luther King were also against illegal immigration. A 'liberal' ex-Democrat governor, Richard Lamb of Colorado, was against it too. All knew the dangers of what open borders, cheap labor and a dependent class of illiterate and unskilled illegal aliens would bring.

The demise of this once-great Nation has begun.

The United States of America (1776-2014) RIP.

[Saratoga_Mike]

This Comprehensive Immigration Law that will be passed this year will prove to be the death knell of the Republican Party.

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If anything passes, it will be piecemeal.

[Tom]

A country that doesn't respect its own sovereignty is not worth defending or supporting.

Let the illegals in, and deport ALL members of congress - fair trade.

[hcap]

Coulter was right, and about half her column was spent explaining why she was right, based on the polls showing a shift in culture in this country. And I agreed with her conclusions.

The bottom line is that immigrants are more likely to vote Democrat because the Democratic bias toward big government is more in tune with the cultural leanings of immigrants. How can you possibly discuss the issue without discussing the differences in attitude between immigrants and native born citizens?

The ultimate irony is that so many immigrants are coming here because they are dissatisfied with the results of the welfare state in their homeland, and find the current lesser welfare state here more to their liking. But their growing impact on this society is moving the government more and more toward the environment that they are trying to escape. They want the social benefits of big government AND the economic benefits of capitalism. Sorry, folks, it don't work that way.I agree with her conclusions also. But I did say......."Drudge? Coulter? Strange" Noting how weird!

The fact that immigrants vote democratic is not the issue except politically. The sad state of affairs is the right wing editorializing on the why of this is, using standard right wing analysis once again--about these folks being lazy, loafing and not "willing to pull their weight" or carry their own "luggage" Enjoying the free welfare state, living off the so-called "makers". And of course associating them with one political party. :lol:

Then guys like reckless come along and ask silly questions based on his faulty a priori assumptions

I guess you gents don't realize that when you attempt to simplify complex issues you reflexively and mechanically resort to some variation on the Ayn Rand mythos. In fact you gents are so oblivious to this that what you do is try to score points asking "do you still beat your wife" recklessly :lol: A faulty assumption is worshiped as God given truth and then the worshipers assumes they have proved their case in ALL sorts of issues that generally can not be reduced to the assumptions simplistically displayed as political and human truths, gussied up into into absurd "gotcha" questions

One more thing that is a right wing talking point. You said.....
They are dissatisfied with the results of the welfare state in their homeland[/I] Another a priori assumption that does not really account for why they come here. Although correct in some cases. Could it be the vast criminally infested state and drug killings and poverty in Mexico instead? Or general levels of poverty in the central and south Americas? Most immigrants are from Mexico and the impoverished Americas Are you saying poverty is primarily caused by welfare states in Mexico and the Americas? :eek:

The bottom line is not primarily Democratic leanings towards big government, it is rather the republican bottom line leaning towards the "bottom line" And how that comes across to immigrants in national elections.

Coming across as heartless also does not help.

Gee I guess I made a set of bad a priori assumptions too :cool:

[delayjf]

The fact that immigrants vote democratic is not the issue except politically. The sad state of affairs is the right wing editorializing on the why of this is, using standard right wing analysis once again--about these folks being lazy, loafing and not "willing to pull their weight" or carry their own "luggage" Enjoying the free welfare state, living off the so-called "makers". And of course associating them with one political party.

B.S. - Add a provision to the bill that allows illegals to stay - But prohibits citizenship, then stand by and watch the libs howl.

[Clocker]

The fact that immigrants vote democratic is not the issue except politically. The sad state of affairs is the right wing editorializing on the why of this is, using standard right wing analysis once again--about these folks being lazy, loafing and not "willing to pull their weight" or carry their own "luggage" Enjoying the free welfare state, living off the so-called "makers". And of course associating them with one political party.



Not the issue except politically? As Beloved Leader is fond of saying, elections have consequences. Often unintended consequences, like the train wreck formerly known as ObamaCare. Politics affect reality, especially if the politics do not reflect reality.

Where did Coulter say anything about "these people being lazy"? Where did I? What the polls showed, and what she reported, and what I repeated, is that immigrants are much more biased toward big government than are native born Americans. The great majority of immigrants are hard working, honest, tax-paying people. And they prefer programs like ObamaCare (or would prefer it if it worked) as opposed to private sector solutions.

I guess you gents don't realize that when you attempt to simplify complex issues you reflexively and mechanically resort to some variation on the Ayn Rand mythos.

Ah, time to trot out the obligatory daily Ayn Rand allusion. The only thing more simplistic than Ayn Rand as the answer to everything is blaming everything on the Ayn Rand straw man monster under the bed.

Coming across as heartless also does not help.

Heartless is in the eye of the beholder. Those who think that the end justifies the means always take criticism of the means as rejection of the end. If you say that ObamaCare is an unworkable mess, what you really mean is that poor people should die in the streets without medical care. If you say that a young guy shouldn't have to buy a policy that includes "free" birth control, what you really mean is that you are waging a war on women. If you say that voters should show ID, what you really mean is that you want to disenfranchise minorities.

Yawn. Same as it ever was.

[hcap]

Not the issue except politically? As Beloved Leader is fond of saying, elections have consequences. Often unintended consequences, like the train wreck formerly known as ObamaCare. Politics affect reality, especially if the politics do not reflect reality.

Where did Coulter say anything about "these people being lazy"? Where did I? What the polls showed, and what she reported, and what I repeated, is that immigrants are much more biased toward big government than are native born Americans. The great majority of immigrants are hard working, honest, tax-paying people. And they prefer programs like ObamaCare (or would prefer it if it worked) as opposed to private sector solutions.

Ah, time to trot out the obligatory daily Ayn Rand allusion. The only thing more simplistic than Ayn Rand as the answer to everything is blaming everything on the Ayn Rand straw man monster under the bed.

Heartless is in the eye of the beholder. Those who think that the end justifies the means always take criticism of the means as rejection of the end. If you say that ObamaCare is an unworkable mess, what you really mean is that poor people should die in the streets without medical care. If you say that a young guy shouldn't have to buy a policy that includes "free" birth control, what you really mean is that you are waging a war on women. If you say that voters should show ID, what you really mean is that you want to disenfranchise minorities.

Yawn. Same as it ever was.What I find amusing is that although Ann did not come out explicitly and say socialism of the immigrant threat, we all knew which party was blamed for shades of socialism. Coulter did not openly, and was giving political advice to repugs and only doing some "dog whistling" through the conservative graveyard appealing too repugs to come to grips with the realities of elections and win instead of their piss poor political posturing.

Yes elections have consequences and Ann was reminding Bohner he was making a wrong political choice to ignore overwhelming public sentiment as expressed by numerous polls. Her only statement as far as what you assumed was there origins from leftest welfare states were for one thing, recent arrivals tend to be poor and in need of government assistance. Also, they're coming from societies that are far more left-wing than our own.
Which is only generally true. In need of assistance and left wing does not mean the "welfare state" except if you are a repug. But yes it is a dog whistle under the political covers to appeal to conservative common myths, but in this case to appeal more to political realities and not to get swayed by unrealistic posturing. As I said immigrants come here from impoverished countries, and poverty not ideology is why assistance is needed. The failures of socialism in Central and South America is not why they come. We can equally blame right wing dictatorships and the Monroe Doctrine for political conflicts causing a long history of poverty. American corporate/governmental involvement has been a source of discontent and revolution as much if not more than communist manipulation. It was a chess board of geopolitics that led to poverty.

You fleshed this out by filling in what might have been implied, but in fact was only a set of election priorities.
immigrants favor a big brother government and big welfare programs..... And they believe that socialism is a better system than capitalism.

So once again conservatives read her article and tend to ignore election advice and zero in on that they assume are God given truths, even though they are only God given to conservatives By you saying welfare state you open up a can of worms which you and other cons agree with as God given truths. That has always been the problem debating you gents. What is not proven is assumed and becomes the basis of every argument by the right here. Damn the details. It has yet to be proven the AFC is a failure as you assume and has nothing to do with immigration.Ah, time to trot out the obligatory daily Ayn Rand allusion. The only thing more simplistic than Ayn Rand as the answer to everything is blaming everything on the Ayn Rand straw man monster under the bed.I guess you gents don't realize that when you attempt to simplify complex issues you reflexively and mechanically resort to some variation on the Ayn Rand mythos.
This is a cornerstone of the right wing here and I did use the plural. Gents. I fail to understand how you do not recognize how much of what is said here relies on the idiocy of Ayn Rand. So although you did call immigrants lazy just because they need help, this Randian double talk calls anyone on gov assistance "takers" and "anchors" frequently.
Heartless is in the eye of the beholder.
Of course it is. That;'s why I said the beholder of repug policies consider those policies heartlessd. The beholders that matter as Coulter points outb are immigants not that 70 year old couple watching Fox & Friends :lol:

[hcap]

Correction.

So although you did NOT call immigrants lazy just because they need help, this Randian double talk calls anyone on gov assistance "takers" and "anchors" frequently. Sorry :(

[Robert Goren]

B.S. - Add a provision to the bill that allows illegals to stay - But prohibits citizenship, then stand by and watch the libs howl.Having large numbers of people inside your borders who are not citizens is probably not a good idea. Some European have tried that and have had some problems. If going to let them in, then you have let them belong. That should go into the equation of how many and who is let in. I personally feel we let far too many in. But as long as we allowed them work, they are going to find a way in. You can't build a wall high enough or deep enough to keep them out. Take away the jobs and most won't come.

[TJDave]

Take away the jobs and most won't come.

Take away jobs and we wouldn't have an immigration problem. Illegals don't pay tens of thousands to coyotes because they like the climate.

[classhandicapper]

Similar article by Pay Buhcanan

http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/how-the-gop-lost-middle-america/

[Tom]

If I were using illegal labor, liked how that worked and wanted to keep it, I wouldn't think it wise to advertise the fact.

If you like your illegal labor, you can keep your illegal labor.

[Tom]

3% of the people think immigration is an issue.
Both parties are going after in not at all for people, but for themselves.
We have 3 parties now - Democrat, Republican, an Al Qeda. Of the 3 Al Qeda is one least likely to do the most damage.

All of our elected officials are disgusting pigs. Both parties are a disgrace to our country. Scumbags, every one of them.