Isn't ACA basically just another version of Nat'l ID cards

[sammy the sage]

You know...like what THE pugs want for voters...same principle in REALTY...only you gotta pay for it...

Now that I've gotten BOTH sides of the Aisle's attention...think ON THIS...(yes I posted in the gun thread...but it really APPLIES here as well)

Heed the warnings of a former Hitler Youth member as well in Hilmar von Campe’s riveting book, “Defeating the Totalitarian Lie.”

Werthmann, who is president of the South Dakota Eagle Forum, opposes national identification cards with the same vehemence she opposes gun control, recalling how Germany’s National Socialists, known by the abbreviation “Nazis,” used the innocuous-sounding initiatives to crush individual liberties during the World War II era.

“I lived in Austria under Adolf Hitler’s regime for seven years,” Werthmann writes on the Eagle Forum website. “Dictatorship did not happen overnight. It was a gradual process starting with national identification cards, which we had to carry with us at all times.

“We could not board a bus or train without our ID card,” she continues.

[jdhanover]

Can't get on a plane without an ID. But we shouldn't verify the person flying is the one with the ticket?

You need a drivers license to drive a car. Etc etc.

Not saying that bad things can't happen, just that the connections some people make are not (necessarily) valid.

[Robert Goren]

You know...like what THE pugs want for voters...same principle in REALTY...only you gotta pay for it...

Now that I've gotten BOTH sides of the Aisle's attention...think ON THIS...(yes I posted in the gun thread...but it really APPLIES here as well)

Heed the warnings of a former Hitler Youth member as well in Hilmar von Campe’s riveting book, “Defeating the Totalitarian Lie.”

Werthmann, who is president of the South Dakota Eagle Forum, opposes national identification cards with the same vehemence she opposes gun control, recalling how Germany’s National Socialists, known by the abbreviation “Nazis,” used the innocuous-sounding initiatives to crush individual liberties during the World War II era.

“I lived in Austria under Adolf Hitler’s regime for seven years,” Werthmann writes on the Eagle Forum website. “Dictatorship did not happen overnight. It was a gradual process starting with national identification cards, which we had to carry with us at all times.

“We could not board a bus or train without our ID card,” she continues. How old is she? The math has to put her into her 90s.
Of course she is correct about national ID cards. The fact that the politicians shouting loudest about limited government are the ones pushing ID cards to even vote should scared the daylights out of everyone. ID cards are a lot easier to regulate than voting. The people controlling the ID cards will be the people deciding the elections. They will in the end control everything. Do you want to give that power to Obama and Holder? Or who ever the next president is? Or the one after that? If you are worried about them taking your guns, shouldn't be worried them taking your right to vote?

[Tom]

The idea of not having to prove your identity for things such as voting, banking, getting welfare....is ludicrous. No one HAS to do these things, so no one is FORCED to have a national ID.

[Robert Goren]

The idea of not having to prove your identity for things such as voting, banking, getting welfare....is ludicrous. No one HAS to do these things, so no one is FORCED to have a national ID.But in a free country every one should be able to. The people who control who gets the ID cards, decide who gets to vote, bank, etc. Don't you think the same people who would take away your guns would stop and not take away your right to vote?

[Dave Schwartz]

But in a free country every one should be able to.

"Balderdash," I say, "Balderdash." (What movie is that from?)

Seriously, it is just illogical to me that a person should not have to prove that they DESERVE a RIGHT granted them under the CONSTITUTION.

Otherwise, those that do not have said right will exercise it.

It is a PROTECTION of rights.

[boxcar]

"Balderdash," I say, "Balderdash." (What movie is that from?)

Seriously, it is just illogical to me that a person should not have to prove that they DESERVE a RIGHT granted them under the CONSTITUTION.

Otherwise, those that do not have said right will exercise it.

It is a PROTECTION of rights.

Sounds good in theory but...does every person living here have the right to vote just by virtue of the fact that they're standing on American soil?

Boxcar

[Tom]

But in a free country every one should be able to. The people who control who gets the ID cards, decide who gets to vote, bank, etc. Don't you think the same people who would take away your guns would stop and not take away your right to vote?

No one decides who gets an ID card - they are available to everyone.
What are you babbling about?

[Robert Goren]

No one decides who gets an ID card - they are available to everyone.
What are you babbling about?Wrong. Some bureaucrat does. You think they can't pressured, you probably believe that IRS was either?

[mostpost]

Isn't ACA basically just another version of Nat'l ID cards
In what way? A National ID card would be a card that you everyone is required to carry at all times and show on demand. ACA is a health care program. Any ID cards involved are issued by the private companies providing you with that health insurance. The only time you are required to show those cards is when paying for services.

If you buy insurance through the exchanges, you do have to provide certain information. None of that is information that the IRS does not already have access to.

[Dave Schwartz]

Sounds good in theory but...does every person living here have the right to vote just by virtue of the fact that they're standing on American soil?

LOL - I think you misunderstood. I am FOR identification cards.

The rights that are being protected are those of the people who are ENTITLED to vote.

THAT is the right that must be protected. ID cards do that. They PROVE that one is entitled.

[Stillriledup]

"Balderdash," I say, "Balderdash." (What movie is that from?)

Seriously, it is just illogical to me that a person should not have to prove that they DESERVE a RIGHT granted them under the CONSTITUTION.

Otherwise, those that do not have said right will exercise it.

It is a PROTECTION of rights.

Balderdash is something Sheldon Cooper might say.

[rastajenk]

I don't know any "pugs" that want a national ID card, so, I believe, the entire premise of the original post is bunk.

[Tom]

Balderdash is something Sheldon Cooper might say.
No, he would say BAZINGA!

[jerry-g]

No, he would say BAZINGA!

And I say, Dr. Sheldon Lee Cooper has one of the brightest minds of the
21st Century. BAZINGA! :lol: