Can all the races be fixed ?

[cosmicway]

I don’t know if what follows actually does happen, somewhere, sometime, in the past or in the future.
Maybe in Santiago-Chile under general Pinochet, but here is how a universal system of race fixing could work:

First of all the stewards and other controlling bodies are good enough to deliver pizzas.
Our problem is to split the loot. Fixing a race is easy but it must n’t become known to many, because the prices will drop to zero as well as we expose ourselves. So what do we do ?
To do work we must act as a well knit conspiracy and find a way to make it a win-win situation.
We therefore appoint a leader. The leader can be the oldest person in the company or we may opt for a rotating leadership. The leader studies the races, listens to proposals and finally decides. His decision is irrevocable, it favours some and disfavours all the others. The leader is not gambling – not big money anyway.
The order is transferred by a jockey to the starting area. Our duty jockey is recognized by all the others and they do not disobey.

The race is 2-3, 2-5. If the 5 is in the mood to last it out, we can’t make his jockey jump !

The result ; Those with the 2-3 exacta go collect, the others lose.

After all this the one who put his money on 3-6 say may come forward and say “you guys made the so and so rich today and I wagered the entire national treasury on the 3-6 – you (expletive deleted) my (expletive deleted)”. To this the leader responds calmly and says “ok, I owe you two races – no problem – I ‘ll set you up – just don’t act like a noise making element”.

In this way the money of the poor fishermen who bet on the races but do not belong to the gang, become … Chile.

The secret as you can see is not the actual fixing of a race but the damage restoration system for the casual loser – who is however a member of the “elite club”.

[thaskalos]

Do you really live in Athens...or are you just saying that so you can give the Greeks a bad name?

[appistappis]

I'm dealing carribean stud poker one day to an old man from a continuous shuffler machine.

him.....you know these machines are fixed so we cannot win.
me......then why are you playing?
him.....shut up and deal.

[Fingal]

Can all the races be fixed ?

This kinda sounds like someone at an extinct forum who kept talking about the 1st 3 contests of the day being horsemen races.

[PhantomOnTour]

I'm dealing carribean stud poker one day to an old man from a continuous shuffler machine.

him.....you know these machines are fixed so we cannot win.
me......then why are you playing?
him.....shut up and deal.
Had a college roommate who later worked for a gaming company, and his job was to teach Caribbean Stud to the dealers at a casino that was picking up their game.
He also told me to never play this game :D


P.S. - I like your Pioneers song "Long Shot Kick De Bucket"...about a race at Caymanas Park in Jamaica

[TheEdge07]

Do you really live in Athens...or are you just saying that so you can give the Greeks a bad name?

Thask check out his website cosmicway.net all in greek...

[horses4courses]

It may not be too late to win the most ridiculous thread of the year.
You sure gave it your best shot, anyway. :rolleyes:

[Milkshaker]

I recall this gem from Harvey Pack (paraphrasing):

"A lady a Saratoga asked me if all of the races were fixed. I told her 'Sure! Everyone who works here gets a script every day with how the results are supposed to turn out. I'd show it to you, but I always leave it in my office without reading it--it makes the betting more interesting.'"

[thaskalos]

Thask check out his website cosmicway.net all in greek...
Thanks for directing me to that website...I owe the man an apology.

His website is EXCELLENT! :ThmbUp:

[Exotic1]

Thask check out his website cosmicway.net all in greek...

Edge, with Chrome as your browser, you can choose "Translate" to translate the Greek to English. That option may be available with other browsers but I'm reading it now in English under Chrome.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

...In this way the money of the poor fishermen who bet on the races but do not belong to the gang, become … Chile...

This does appear to the goal of American racing at this time...

[cosmicway]

Do you really live in Athens...or are you just saying that so you can give the Greeks a bad name?

I did not even say the word Greece.
Some of you guys exhibit the following logic:

"what's this ? plutonium ? intensely radioactive you say, ha-ha-ha, ho-ho-ho, I put it in my refigirator next to the drinking water"

What are the measures to safeguard racing integrity ?
First of all betting should not be allowed to all persons under orders and this is not happening.

[cosmicway]

I recall this gem from Harvey Pack (paraphrasing):

"A lady a Saratoga asked me if all of the races were fixed. I told her 'Sure! Everyone who works here gets a script every day with how the results are supposed to turn out. I'd show it to you, but I always leave it in my office without reading it--it makes the betting more interesting.'"

That's where you got it wrong.
Sometimes they do.
The problem with those guys if you befriend them is their utter unreliability.
One day I place a bet in the first and the man did not have enough money to give me the change, because it was too early. So he gives me a coin but again it was of higher value than the change he actually had to give me. So he takes hold of my pack of cigaretters and he says I 'll take eight of those and we 're even ...

[cosmicway]

It may not be too late to win the most ridiculous thread of the year.
You sure gave it your best shot, anyway. :rolleyes:

I did not say someone is guilty or someone is innocent.
I describe a system.
A system is the opposite to living your life in a hodge-podge way.

[Jay Trotter]

Do you really live in Athens...or are you just saying that so you can give the Greeks a bad name?Gus, I guess my opinion of you has now peaked! Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

[cosmicway]

Gus, I guess my opinion of you has now peaked! Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

That's not fair.
Just because I have filled my profile.
While Greece is no different to other countries in that respect, the connection is arbitrary and was artificially made up.
You should rather call for no more anonymous gambling. It's tricky and maybe unconstitunional but deters some crime.

[horses4courses]

That's not fair.
Just because I have filled my profile.
While Greece is no different to other countries in that respect, the connection is arbitrary and was artificially made up.
You should rather call for no more anonymous gambling. It's tricky and maybe unconstitunional but deters some crime.

I take it that what you refer to as "anonymous gambling" is sports betting.

Bringing about a situation whereby illegal bookmakers flourish, is nothing short of a joke.
It's life in the US, though, when it comes to sports wagering.

The government here, too, has even made it illegal for it's residents to do online wagering with legal bookmakers abroad. Another joke - and a bad one.

"Vito" makes book, and will very likely get away with it.
In fact, he's a cinch to avoid prosecution in many areas if he contributes astutely.

In the meantime, most politicians who could make a difference treat it like a bastard stepchild locked up in the cellar. Pretend that it doesn't exist.

[cosmicway]

I take it that what you refer to as "anonymous gambling" is sports betting.

Bringing about a situation whereby illegal bookmakers flourish, is nothing short of a joke.
It's life in the US, though, when it comes to sports wagering.

The government here, too, has even made it illegal for it's residents to do online wagering with legal bookmakers abroad. Another joke - and a bad one.

"Vito" makes book, and will very likely get away with it.
In fact, he's a cinch to avoid prosecution in many areas if he contributes astutely.

In the meantime, most politicians who could make a difference treat it like a bastard stepchild locked up in the cellar. Pretend that it doesn't exist.

By anonymous gambling I mean nameless tickets not the "anonymous gambling" advisers.
When you bet on line you are not anonymous. This has lots and lots of negative repercussions but it also deters crime (well if the system works properly that is).
I don't care if the governments nationalize everything provided we get fair price + services. But this is not what they are doing. What those guys say is "here is a cow let's milk it". They imagine we have lots and lots of money falling from the ceiling.

In Greece the team of Olympiakos Piraeus was excluded from the football betting coupons for 9 years, because their president was also the president of the company who provide electronic equipment to the national betting outlets.
It was a zero danger situation betwise - Olympiakos are champions, also trying in Europe, but in this case the authorities went by the book (incompatibility they said).
The man Sokratis Kokkalis stayed president of the electronics firm but the team was taken by someone else and only then was it allowed.
In the case of horse racing magnify this by a factor of let's say 10,000 but no one cares.