Should California become six new states?

[DJofSD]

http://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/23/should-california-become-six-new-states/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/192645393/Six-Californias-Proposal

Ya, baby! Go for it!

[BlueShoe]

The splitting up, or seceding from, California, has been an idea that has been around for quite awhile. Two northern counties, Modoc and Siskiyou, have recently actually voted to secede. The State of Jefferson Movement has been around since 1941, and their supporters are very well organized. The desire for secession is very basic; escape the control and domination of the Bolsheviks that have seized power at virtually all levels of government in the state.

[Dave Schwartz]

LOL - Never happen.

[HuggingTheRail]

The dream for 57 is still alive :ThmbUp:

[BlueShoe]

The dream for 57 is still alive :ThmbUp:
Good grief, you mean that someday Obama may actually be right? :eek:

[Robert Goren]

10 more democratic senators!

[DJofSD]

10 more democratic senators!
Maybe. But if the John Birch Society reappears it won't be 10.

[BlueShoe]

10 more democratic senators!
Check the map again. The counties that wish to form a new state would be solidly GOP, or might even elect a Libertarian senator. The whole idea of the secessionist movements is to free themselves from the Marxists that dominate their state governments. This was the case in Colorado in the last election. While California is rightfully known as a far left state, there are still many sections and areas that remain quite conservative, and are totally fed up with the failures and abuses of liberalism.

[Robert Goren]

Check the map again. The counties that wish to form a new state would be solidly GOP, or might even elect a Libertarian senator. The whole idea of the secessionist movements is to free themselves from the Marxists that dominate their state governments. This was the case in Colorado in the last election. While California is rightfully known as a far left state, there are still many sections and areas that remain quite conservative, and are totally fed up with the failures and abuses of liberalism.There are not going to be any new states with a population of less than SD. Divide CA into 6 evenly populated states and see what you get. A few thousand pot growers up in the mountains are not going to get their own state.

[Clocker]

The dream for 57 is still alive :ThmbUp:

Don't think so. I figure 4 states would make more sense, and 2 of those would join what is officially known as the United Mexican States, which currently has 31 states.

[BlueShoe]

Don't think so. I figure 4 states would make more sense, and 2 of those would join what is officially known as the United Mexican States, which currently has 31 states.
California today is the de facto "People's Socialist Republic of Mexifornia." :rolleyes: Part of it joining Mexico would actually not be all that unthinkable. Some of the geography of creating new like minded states might be a bit hard to arrange, but who knows? Virtually the entire coastal strip, where leftists are in full control, might be called "New Russia", and fly the Hammer & Sickle. Once again the entire Bay Area would be truthfully called "Moscow by the Bay." :rolleyes:

[Tom]

We have too many states now.
10, tops.

[BlueShoe]

This thing about forming six states is not dying, in fact, it is gathering wings. An initiative may actually qualify to be on the November ballot, although even if it does, actual passage may be a longshot.
www.newsmax.com/US/split-california-six-states/2014/01/07/id/545695 (http://www.newsmax.com/US/split-california-six-states/2014/01/07/id/545695)

[DJofSD]

You have to start somewhere.

We'll just keep plugging away like they did with the death penalty, gay marriage, etc. In CA, petition and referendum is not a one way street.

[BlueShoe]

I know I'm dreaming, but would very much like to see the proposed State of Jefferson come into being. If so, would start packing my bags, gather up the cat, and be on my way 500 miles north of where I am now. Just one little glitch in that, in the entire northern third of California, once past Sacramento and Santa Rosa, there is only one Otb simulcast facility in the entire region, that being in Anderson, which is just south of Redding.

[DJofSD]

Sounds like a void that would need to be filled.

[Tom]

George Jefferson?
We will all be moving on up, we will all finally have a piece of the pie!

[BlueShoe]

Sounds like a void that would need to be filled.
Indeed. With mini-satellites the coming trend in California, with several opening in the last few years, there is certainly a need for them up north. One ideal place for one would be in Chico. Would have two widely divergent bases to draw from. Would have the large retiree communities up in the Ridge towns of Paradise and Magalia, and the students at Cal State Chico. The old guys, at least of few of them one time hard core horse players, and the college kids, who might become racing fans and show up on weekends instead of getting drunk (Cal State Chico a notorious party school), just might make a mini fly.

[classhandicapper]

It will never happen because the the republicans would have a better chance of capturing parts of CA than the whole thing in either senatorial or presidential elections. So the media will be out in full force calling anyone that is in favor of greater freedom a radical, an extremist, a right wing nut job, etc... Freedom is a dirty word to people that want to centralize their power and impose their will on all. They know what's best for you and too bad if you disagree.

[DJofSD]

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/02/19/plan-to-split-california-into-six-states-gets-ok-to-gather-signatures/

SACRAMENTO (CBS SF) – Supporters of a plan to divide California into six sates can begin collecting signatures to get the proposal on the ballot.

[BlueShoe]

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/02/19/plan-to-split-california-into-six-states-gets-ok-to-gather-signatures/
:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: Where do I sign? Heard this on the news yesterday, and was going to post it. Seriously though, even if it qualifies with the required signatures, passage is highly unlikely. Sure is a good idea even though it is just a dream. As I continue to insist, California is the most bleeped up state in the Union, and being able to separate oneself from the clutches of the Bolsheviks running it has great appeal for many of us.

[DJofSD]

I'm all for it.

One of the downsides would be the loss of protection from Proposition 13.

[Robert Goren]

I don't believe that even if CA wants to divide itself into 6 states that it could. I think congress would also have approve it. Then it would become "how many of the new congressmen and senators would be republicans and how many would be democrats. The main reason DC isn't a state is because it voters would likely be democrats and it would shift the balance of power. Alaska and Hawaii were admitted at about same time because it was assume that Alaska would send mostly republicans to congress and Hawaii, mostly democrats and that has generally held true. I think it would be very hard to get a divided state through congress. There is no way that either party would allow anything that give the other party extra congressmen and senators. For instance, CA has 2 democratic senators. The new arrangement would have to keep that and divide the ten new senators equally. Plus small states like Nebraska would not want to lessen it power by adding 10 new senators. The same things holds true for Texas and any other state that would like to divide.

[tucker6]

why do we want 10 more socialist democrats in the senate?

[Robert Goren]

why do we want 10 more socialist democrats in the senate?To end the filibusters of Ted Cruz.

[DJofSD]

Did my part. Signed the petition this afternoon.

[JustRalph]

http://time.com/2985611/california-six-states-2016/

[mostpost]

I don't believe that even if CA wants to divide itself into 6 states that it could. I think congress would also have approve it. Then it would become "how many of the new congressmen and senators would be republicans and how many would be democrats. The main reason DC isn't a state is because it voters would likely be democrats and it would shift the balance of power. Alaska and Hawaii were admitted at about same time because it was assume that Alaska would send mostly republicans to congress and Hawaii, mostly democrats and that has generally held true. I think it would be very hard to get a divided state through congress. There is no way that either party would allow anything that give the other party extra congressmen and senators. For instance, CA has 2 democratic senators. The new arrangement would have to keep that and divide the ten new senators equally. Plus small states like Nebraska would not want to lessen it power by adding 10 new senators. The same things holds true for Texas and any other state that would like to divide.
Article IV section III of the United States Constitution states:
1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
Congress will never approve it and the California Legislature will never approve it. Only a complete idiot would think that is a good idea. Oh wait! Did someone who posts here sign the petition? Someone from San Diego? Well, don't worry. The biggest idiot is the guy who spent $4.9 million supporting this fiasco.

[Stillriledup]

Article IV section III of the United States Constitution states:
1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
Congress will never approve it and the California Legislature will never approve it. Only a complete idiot would think that is a good idea. Oh wait! Did someone who posts here sign the petition? Someone from San Diego? Well, don't worry. The biggest idiot is the guy who spent $4.9 million supporting this fiasco.

Why is it a bad idea?

[mostpost]

Why is it a bad idea?
Multiply everything times six. Six state legislatures. Six governors. Six state police departments. Six state highway departments. Six state court systems. Six departments of revenue. Six of everything where now you have one.

Six Californias would create the richest and the poorest states in the country. How does the poorest state-starting from scratch-create the needed infrastructure. We're talking about the poorest state in a nation that already has Mississippi and Arkansas, and West Virginia.

The most important reason it is a bad idea is there is no need for it. Supporters are just a bunch of pouty people who can't stand to not get there own way.

[mostpost]

We have too many states now.
10, tops.
We have just the right amount of states now. We don't need more. We don't need less. 57 is the perfect number.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Multiply everything times six. Six state legislatures. Six governors. Six state police departments. Six state highway departments. Six state court systems. Six departments of revenue. Six of everything where now you have one.



Nice to see mostpost championing a smaller, streamlined government. :ThmbUp:

:lol: :lol:

[newtothegame]

Multiply everything times six. Six state legislatures. Six governors. Six state police departments. Six state highway departments. Six state court systems. Six departments of revenue. Six of everything where now you have one.

Six Californias would create the richest and the poorest states in the country. How does the poorest state-starting from scratch-create the needed infrastructure. We're talking about the poorest state in a nation that already has Mississippi and Arkansas, and West Virginia.

The most important reason it is a bad idea is there is no need for it. Supporters are just a bunch of pouty people who can't stand to not get there own way.

What you really mean is that you (and other libs) don't want to allow certain areas of the country to break away from others.....I mean after all, looking at the geographical and demographics, I would want to hang onto those parts of Cali as well if I was in one of the opposing parts......:lol:

[Tom]

Make it 7 new states - and name each one of them after a deadly sin.

Sloth, Gluttony......

[DJofSD]

Make it 7 new states - and name each one of them after a deadly sin.

Sloth, Gluttony......
Make it 8 and name the last one after a liberal then have all of the idiots move there. Think of it as the last check box in the list: none of the above.

[reckless]

We have just the right amount of states now. We don't need more. We don't need less. 57 is the perfect number.

It's nice to see that our friend mostpost has a sense of humor, a quality he has kept hidden from us in the past. :)

[GaryG]

The blue one to the far north would reap the profits from legalized marijuana and they would not be plagued by the public assistance that is such a drain on the big cities. Chickenhead could become a gentleman farmer with a stable of fancy cars and a mansion resembling Hearst Castle.

[DJofSD]

Either that or hemp.

[Actor]

We have too many states now.
10, tops.Of the original 13 which 3 would you get rid of?

[Tom]

Of the original 13 which 3 would you get rid of?

All of them. None made the top 10.

[Lono]

They would be better off becoming their own country. Then maybe Texas, or Oklahoma could bomb them.

[tucker6]

They would be better off becoming their own country. Then maybe Texas, or Oklahoma could bomb them.
I'm still waiting for that earthquake to separate them from us that we were promised back in the 70's.

[BlueShoe]

Make it 7 new states - and name each one of them after a deadly sin....
Okay; Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, H. Clinton, Schumer, Wasserman-Schultz.

[DJofSD]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-six-californias-petition-signatures-20140623-story.html

http://calwatchdog.com/2014/07/23/six-californias-will-go-before-voters/

[JustRalph]

I love that they are going for it. Now, getting it passed is going to be interesting. The simple fact that a group has formed to oppose it, means something.

[mostpost]

I love that they are going for it. Now, getting it passed is going to be interesting. The simple fact that a group has formed to oppose it, means something.
It means that someone has a brain.

[BlueShoe]

The blue one to the far north would reap the profits from legalized marijuana and they would not be plagued by the public assistance that is such a drain on the big cities.
That would be Jefferson, and it quite likely would be a Red State, with a major exception. The inland counties are very conservative/libertarian and is where this movement all started. The capitol would likely be Redding or Chico, or perhaps Medford if the southern Oregon counties joined in.

The exception would be the coastal counties, with the Eureka/Arcata area the center of the far left, with Bolshevikism rampant in the university at Arcata. This is why many think that there should be another state, separate from inland Jefferson, with the coastal counties from the Oregon border down to the Bay Area, a separate state, rather in the shape of Chile. This Marxist state could then go to Hell while the rest of the state thrived.

[_______]

LOL - Never happen.

7 months later, this remains all that needed to be said.

[DJofSD]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/26/Jerry-Brown-to-Mexican-Illegals-You-re-All-Welcome-in-CA

[Tom]

Didn't it shake out a couple of new states over the weekend?

[PaceAdvantage]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/26/Jerry-Brown-to-Mexican-Illegals-You-re-All-Welcome-in-CAI bet a lot of Californians would disagree with him...including a lot of liberal Californians...and I'm not talking about racism here...I'm talking about an unnecessary drag on an already hurting economy.

[DJofSD]

Spot on, Mike.

[classhandicapper]

Jerry Brown needs to have his head examined. It's hard to imagine anyone could be this stupid even if they were actually very very smart and trying to act stupid. His state has enormous long term fiscal issues, already has the largest tax burden in the US, and he wants to add to the problems?

Then again, maybe he is brilliant. Maybe he's trying to turn CA into a national internment camp for illegals and then will leave for greener pastures with the rest of the middle class and business once most of them are there.

I know secession is difficult to accomplish, but can we throw CA out of the country and give it to Mexico?

[TJDave]

Jerry Brown needs to have his head examined. It's hard to imagine anyone could be this stupid even if they were actually very very smart and trying to act stupid. His state has enormous long term fiscal issues, already has the largest tax burden in the US, and he wants to add to the problems?

Dumb like a fox. ;)

At some point, this year, Latinos will become the largest ethnic group in California.