2014 Predictions

[JustRalph]

Let's hear it. What are your predictions?

1. Obama's approval falls to 30-32 percent by 2015

2. The 2014 Elections will be a wash because the Tea Party will abandon the
Repubs

3. The Kentucky Derby will be the slowest in 20 years

4. The Oakland A's will win the American League Pennant

5. The L.A. Dodgers win the National League

[Tom]

Aqueduct's closing will be announced.

John McCain will embarrass himself yet again by opening his mouth.

John Boehner will be replaced as SOH.

Obama will sink below 30% in his AR.

Syria will still have WMD in 12 months. Obama will do nothing about it, but claim victory.

Israel will attack a nuke site in Iran. Obama will side with Iran.

[PhantomOnTour]

Off Topic will continue to be a source of amusement for me

[NJ Stinks]

In 2014:


Pro-Obama threads will dominate Off Topic General.

Tom will continue to be infatuated with politicians everywhere.

The right will whistle a happy tune while posting about the rosy future of the USA.

[Dahoss2002]

22 lr ammo will be available again at Wally World and Academy Sports. Probably not until midsummer though.

[Ocala Mike]

2. The 2014 Elections will be a wash because the Tea Party will abandon the
Repubs





Who's abandoning who? Looks to me like the Reoubs will abandon the Tea Party.

[reckless]

1-Tea Party again grows way beyond the media and mainstream political expectations. An extension of the movement here is the large growth throughout Europe and the rest of the world of similar conservative Tea Party advocacy and ideology.

2-In the USA, the first political casualty will be Chris Christie as conservatives thwart his selfish attempt to be the GOP nominee. In the UK, the silly David Cameron may get the boot too as our cousins across the pond also get fed up with bi-partisanship and overt idiocy. At first, Great Britain will then have a government similar to Italy (heaven forbid) with 4-5 parties winning about 20-25 per cent of the seats in House of Commons before things sort themselves out.

This fast-growing, grass roots Tea Party-like movement in the UK (and elsewhere) is being widely ignored by the media there. It's real and let's just say we heard it here first :) :)

3-While the GOP will gain a majority in both houses of Congress, it won't be a landslide win for the GOP as the Rove types and media want people to believe. Conservatives are fed up with the dopes and RINOs in Wash DC and many will stay home if we think we don't have a true conservative option. We will no longer hold our noses and vote for GOP clowns who call them conservatives but vote against our will and against the best interests of our country.

4-For the first time in his own district John Boehner will have a real close race but will win re-election. Because that race will be close he will be challenged for his spot as Majority Leader. Being the coward he truly is, he will drop out of that race when he counts the 'tea' leaves and sees a probable loss for Speakership. Cowards hate to be rejected once they've achieved some level of success.

5-With the GOP gaining a majority in the House and Senate, coupled with Obama's numerous and dangerous failures at home and around the world, the media will protect him by starting talk of a GOP 'impeaching' Obama possibility. This won't ever happen, for numerous reasons, but it'll be talked about to create a sympathetic figure in Obama. Also, this talk will once-again put the GOP on the defensive (and succeed).

6-RIP the Republican Party (b.1854-d.2014)

The GOP will not put up any Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation before the 2014 election as expected. But, they will wait until after the 2014 elections and the expected GOP victory. There will be amnesty, open borders and we can thank the GOP and the Fortune 500 for their leading role in putting the final nail in the coffin of the once-great USA.

This betrayal will prove to be the last seditious and stupid act of the Republican Party. The GOP as a major political party ends abruptly in 2014.

7-As the Tea Party and conservatism swells in momentum in 2014, Obama's own last act of treason will be to have Breyer, Ginsberg and possibly, Kennedy to retire so he could pack the court with far left wing justices. America will then have five or six young Constitution and America hating jurists (and that isn't counting John Roberts!). Of course, Obama gets to pull this off with the support of the media and the remaining dolts in the GOP: Graham, McCain, Murkowski, Ayotte, et al.

8-Jimbo Fisher becomes head football coach of the Texas Longhorns. If I am wrong, maybe it's Jim Harbaugh since he's now feuding with his bosses in Frisco.

9-John Calipari becomes head basketball coach of the New York Knicks. If I am wrong, maybe Phil Jackson ends his career where it all began at MSG.

10-Because too many college players are entering the NBA after just 1-2 years, the NBA will reach out to the more successful college coaches. Brad Stevens of the Celtics may have been the 'test' case for this upcoming sea change. It does seem like he's doing a good job as a pro coach, admittedly it being too soon to really judge.

11-Dow Jones Industrial Averages will hit 20,000 by end of 2014. With the US treasury strapped for cold hard cash, the crony criminal capitalists at Goldman Sachs, Google, Facebook and Berkshire Hathaway will convince Obama to allow the large multinational companies -- those sitting on tens and even hundreds of billions on their books -- to repatriate those funds back to the USA. These companies will bring home the bacon, pay the Treasury billions in taxes, pay a one-time special dividend (and increase the annual dividend) to shareholders, buy back stock to decrease the float, and then use the remaining proceeds to start off a wave of mergers and acquisitions.

All of these acts will create an explosion of stock market buying frenzy, pushing the Dow to unheard record levels. Apple has about $120 billion in cash on the books earning just 1-2%; Microsoft has something like $80 billion cash on hand earning pennies... if just 25-30% of these billions are used as I suggested, oh what a catalyst for an exploding stock market in 2014!

12-2014 will prove to be the most important year in the history of the once-great USA.

[Tom]

The right will whistle a happy tune while posting about the rosy future of the USA.

What rosy future?
The one you guys destroyed with foolish spending?
The one where our children will be too busy paying off our debts to enjoy themselves?

[Tom]

Who's abandoning who? Looks to me like the Reoubs will abandon the Tea Party.

Repubs have abaondoned their principles.
No good conservative will ever support a mainstream republican - or as we call them - democrats.

The Tea Party is the ONLY group out there trying to fight for Americans.
Certainly more so than our openly racist president, the POTUS of some.

[fast4522]

What rosy future?
The one you guys destroyed with foolish spending?
The one where our children will be too busy paying off our debts to enjoy themselves?


Spot on Tom :ThmbUp:

[fast4522]

From the starter: 2014 Predictions

A horrific event will occur that will grip the world, not necessarily inside the United States.

[Tom]

From the starter: 2014 Predictions

A horrific event will occur that will grip the world, not necessarily inside the United States.

Obama will come back from Hawaii? :eek:

[lamboguy]

1. the republicans take back the senate

2.A war will start in Africa

3. even though i don't like it, Obama Care will be a big success

4. someone from Pace Advantage will win the handicapping tournament in Las Vegas

5. the Yankees get back to the playoffs

6.unemployment hits 6 1/2%

7. the dow jones reaches $17,000

8. gold puts in a bottom at $1050

9. some kind of break through will put us a big step closer to curing cancer

10. the Seattle Seahawks will run the table and win the superbowl

[Ocala Mike]

The Tea Party is the ONLY group out there trying to fight for Americans.



Then, by all means, they should go ahead and be recognized as a legitimate third party once and for all. They will be further marginalized in 2014, so it's probably inevitable.

[Tom]

No, they will become the second party.

[Jay Trotter]

From the starter: 2014 Predictions

A horrific event will occur that will grip the world, not necessarily inside the United States.Well, if it doesn't happen inside the U.S. I guess it really doesn't matter anyway. :ThmbDown:

[Saratoga_Mike]

Repubs have abaondoned their principles.
No good conservative will ever support a mainstream republican - or as we call them - democrats.

The Tea Party is the ONLY group out there trying to fight for Americans.
Certainly more so than our openly racist president, the POTUS of some.

Here's your problem: Ronald Reagan wouldn't pass muster with most in the Tea Party. Perhaps you didn't care for Reagan either?

[Saratoga_Mike]

The "Tea Party" is no different than Ross Perot's "Reform Party." The Reform what? Exactly.

[JustRalph]

The "Tea Party" is no different than Ross Perot's "Reform Party." The Reform what? Exactly.

The reform party never won an election. The Tea Party has......

[Saratoga_Mike]

The reform party never won an election. The Tea Party has......

False on two counts: 1) Jesse Ventura and 2) The Tea Party hasn't won anything (of national prominence) - Tea Party supporters have helped elect REPUBLICAN candidates. Keep supporting idiots like O'Donnell and Angle - can't miss.

[andtheyreoff]

Honor Code will win the Kentucky Derby.

[Tom]

Here's your problem: Ronald Reagan wouldn't pass muster with most in the Tea Party. Perhaps you didn't care for Reagan either?
Reagan was the one who converted me from a mindless lib to a thinking conservative. btw, it is not the MAN that matters, it is his philosophy. Reagan was only human, but that dosen't taint ideals. and to his credit, he, too, cured himself of liberalism, a fatal disease. I don't agree with everything the TP does, but I am far more in line with them than the new republicrat party.
Fiscal responsibility, smaller government, strong nation security. Nothing else is an issue.

[fast4522]

You have to credit the Gipper for not liking communist.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Reagan was the one who converted me from a mindless lib to a thinking conservative. btw, it is not the MAN that matters, it is his philosophy. Reagan was only human, but that dosen't taint ideals. and to his credit, he, too, cured himself of liberalism, a fatal disease. I don't agree with everything the TP does, but I am far more in line with them than the new republicrat party.
Fiscal responsibility, smaller government, strong nation security. Nothing else is an issue.

Agreed. I just want candidates who have a fighting chance in the generals.

[JustRalph]

False on two counts: 1) Jesse Ventura and 2) The Tea Party hasn't won anything (of national prominence) - Tea Party supporters have helped elect REPUBLICAN candidates. Keep supporting idiots like O'Donnell and Angle - can't miss.

That's funny, Jesse Ventura like to say he is an Independant. But I looked it up, he was a Reform Party Candidate. I did not know that. But The Tea Party not winning anything of National Prominence?
Get real........

U.S. Senate:
Ted Cruz
Endorsed by Sarah Palin
Texas

Ron Johnson, Wisconsin
Opponent: Sen. Russ Feingold (D - incumbent)
Ron Johnson defeated Democratic incumbent Russ Feingold
This was a huge defeat for Dems

Mike Lee
Opponent: Sam Granato, businessman (D)
Mike Lee, a lawyer and former clerk to Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, defeated Democrat Sam Granato, a businessman, in the Utah Senate race.

Rand Paul, Kentucky

Opponent: Jack Conway, state attorney general (D)
Endorsed by Sarah Palin
After one of the nastiest races in the country, Rand Paul, an ophthalmologist, won the Kentucky Senate election, defeating Jack Conway, state attorney general.

Marco Rubio, Florida
Opponents: Rep. Kendrick Meek (D), Gov. Charlie Crist (I)
Marco Rubio won the three-way Florida Senate race, defeating Democrat Rep. Kendrick Meek and Independent Gov. Charlie Crist. Meek had been trailing in the polls.

Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania
Opponent: Rep. Joe Sestak (D)
Pat Toomey won the Pennsylvania Senate contest, defeating Democrat Rep. Joe Sestak. Sestak defeated incumbent Arlen Specter in the primary, but was behind Toomey in the polls.

More:

Nikki Haley, South Carolina Governor SC
State senator
Opponent: State Sen. Vince Sheheen (D)
Endorsed by Sarah Palin
State Rep. Nikki Haley won the South Carolina gubernatorial contest, defeating state Sen. Vincent Sheheen in a landslide victory.

Paul LePage, Maine Governor, State of Maine
Mayor of Waterville, Maine
Opponent: Elizabeth Mitchell, state senator (D)
Waterville Mayor Paul LePage defeated Mitchell and Independent Eliot Cutler.

U.S. House Candidates

Sandy Adams, FL-24
Justin Amash, MI-03
Rep. Michele Bachmann, MN-06
Dan Benishek, MI-01
Rep. Marsha Blackburn, TN-07
Steve Chabot, OH-01
Rick Crawford, AR-01
Scott DesJarlais, TN-04
Robert Dold, IL-10
Sean Duffy, WI-07
Jeff Duncan, SC-03
Renee Ellmers, NC-02
Bill Flores, TX-17
Christopher Gibson, NY-20
Frank Giunta, NH-01
Tom Graves, GA-09
Tim Griffin, AR-02
Michael Grimm, NY-13
Paul Gosar, AZ-01
Trey Gowdy, SC-04
Rep. Joe Wilson, SC-02
Vicky Hartzler, MO-04
Nan Hayworth, NY-19
Joe Heck, NV-03
Randy Hultgren, IL-14
Bill Johnson, OH-06
Adam Kinzinger, IL-11
Raul Labrador, ID-01
Jeff Landry, LA-03
Rep. Tom McClintock, CA-04
David McKinley, WV-01
Mick Mulvaney, SC-05
Rep. Mike Pence ,IN-06
Rep. Tom Price, GA-06
Jim Renacci, OH-16
Reid Ribble, WI-08
David Schweikert, AZ-5
Robert Schilling, IL-17
Tim Scott, SC-01
Steve Southerland, FL-02
Steven Stivers, OH-15
Marlin Stutzman, IN-03
Scott Tipton, CO-03
Todd Young, IN-09
Tim Walberg, MI-07
Allen West, FL-22

Now post your reform party candidates from the Senate and the House....... go ahead.....................

[mountainman]

My prediction: There will never be another republican president. The cultural and economic makeup of our country has passed the tipping point of anything but entitlements determining who gets elected.

[thaskalos]

My prediction: There will never be another republican president. The cultural and economic makeup of our country has passed the tipping point of anything but entitlements determining who gets elected.
The voters are only following the example set by the politicians.

The politicians have been in search of "entitlements" since time immemorial. Are they the only ones allowed to be sleazy?

[Tom]

They are so good at it.

[johnhannibalsmith]

The number of registered independents grows.

[mostpost]

That's funny, Jesse Ventura like to say he is an Independant. But I looked it up, he was a Reform Party Candidate. I did not know that. But The Tea Party not winning anything of National Prominence?
Get real........

U.S. Senate:
Ted Cruz
Endorsed by Sarah Palin
Texas

Ron Johnson, Wisconsin
Opponent: Sen. Russ Feingold (D - incumbent)
Ron Johnson defeated Democratic incumbent Russ Feingold
This was a huge defeat for Dems

Mike Lee
Opponent: Sam Granato, businessman (D)
Mike Lee, a lawyer and former clerk to Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, defeated Democrat Sam Granato, a businessman, in the Utah Senate race.

Rand Paul, Kentucky

Opponent: Jack Conway, state attorney general (D)
Endorsed by Sarah Palin
After one of the nastiest races in the country, Rand Paul, an ophthalmologist, won the Kentucky Senate election, defeating Jack Conway, state attorney general.

Marco Rubio, Florida
Opponents: Rep. Kendrick Meek (D), Gov. Charlie Crist (I)
Marco Rubio won the three-way Florida Senate race, defeating Democrat Rep. Kendrick Meek and Independent Gov. Charlie Crist. Meek had been trailing in the polls.

Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania
Opponent: Rep. Joe Sestak (D)
Pat Toomey won the Pennsylvania Senate contest, defeating Democrat Rep. Joe Sestak. Sestak defeated incumbent Arlen Specter in the primary, but was behind Toomey in the polls.

More:

Nikki Haley, South Carolina Governor SC
State senator
Opponent: State Sen. Vince Sheheen (D)
Endorsed by Sarah Palin
State Rep. Nikki Haley won the South Carolina gubernatorial contest, defeating state Sen. Vincent Sheheen in a landslide victory.

Paul LePage, Maine Governor, State of Maine
Mayor of Waterville, Maine
Opponent: Elizabeth Mitchell, state senator (D)
Waterville Mayor Paul LePage defeated Mitchell and Independent Eliot Cutler.

U.S. House Candidates

Sandy Adams, FL-24
Justin Amash, MI-03
Rep. Michele Bachmann, MN-06
Dan Benishek, MI-01
Rep. Marsha Blackburn, TN-07
Steve Chabot, OH-01
Rick Crawford, AR-01
Scott DesJarlais, TN-04
Robert Dold, IL-10
Sean Duffy, WI-07
Jeff Duncan, SC-03
Renee Ellmers, NC-02
Bill Flores, TX-17
Christopher Gibson, NY-20
Frank Giunta, NH-01
Tom Graves, GA-09
Tim Griffin, AR-02
Michael Grimm, NY-13
Paul Gosar, AZ-01
Trey Gowdy, SC-04
Rep. Joe Wilson, SC-02
Vicky Hartzler, MO-04
Nan Hayworth, NY-19
Joe Heck, NV-03
Randy Hultgren, IL-14
Bill Johnson, OH-06
Adam Kinzinger, IL-11
Raul Labrador, ID-01
Jeff Landry, LA-03
Rep. Tom McClintock, CA-04
David McKinley, WV-01
Mick Mulvaney, SC-05
Rep. Mike Pence ,IN-06
Rep. Tom Price, GA-06
Jim Renacci, OH-16
Reid Ribble, WI-08
David Schweikert, AZ-5
Robert Schilling, IL-17
Tim Scott, SC-01
Steve Southerland, FL-02
Steven Stivers, OH-15
Marlin Stutzman, IN-03
Scott Tipton, CO-03
Todd Young, IN-09
Tim Walberg, MI-07
Allen West, FL-22

Now post your reform party candidates from the Senate and the House....... go ahead.....................
The number of Tea Party candidates who have won national election is zero. If you think that is wrong, go to the official list of members of Congress at Thomas.gov You will find Democrats, Republicans and a few independents. No Tea Partiers are listed.

As of January 6, 2013 the Tea Party Caucus in the House had 48 members. There are 186 non Tea Party Republicans in the House and 201 Democrats.
The question is how many of those Tea Party representatives would have been elected had they run on their own against Republican and Democratic opponents. I think the answer is obvious. None.

[mostpost]

Aqueduct's closing will be announced.
Will not happen. Should happen, but will not.

John McCain will embarrass himself yet again by opening his mouth.
Why don't you predict that it will snow in Alaska?

John Boehner will be replaced as SOH.
By Nancy Pelosi

Obama will sink below 30% in his AR.
The AR will start to go up after the first of the year and stabalize in the 40s

Syria will still have WMD in 12 months. Obama will do nothing about it, but claim victory.
Even if they don't, you will believe anyone who says they do regardless of proof.

Israel will attack a nuke site in Iran. Obama will side with Iran.
They won't and he won't if they do.

[PaceAdvantage]

Stabilize in the 40s... :lol:

That must have really hurt to type that, didn't it? Come on...you can admit it...

[PhantomOnTour]

Stabilize in the 40s... :lol:

That must have really hurt to type that, didn't it? Come on...you can admit it...
Buh - zing :D

[Tom]

Like Nixon "stabilized" in San Clemente.
Mostie and hcap have certainly adapted well to reality this weekend! :lol: :lol:

[Saratoga_Mike]

The number of Tea Party candidates who have won national election is zero. If you think that is wrong, go to the official list of members of Congress at Thomas.gov You will find Democrats, Republicans and a few independents. No Tea Partiers are listed.

As of January 6, 2013 the Tea Party Caucus in the House had 48 members. There are 186 non Tea Party Republicans in the House and 201 Democrats.
The question is how many of those Tea Party representatives would have been elected had they run on their own against Republican and Democratic opponents. I think the answer is obvious. None.

You nailed it Most!

[ArlJim78]

yes the tea party successes to date are all due to the fact that they have not gone the third party route. its the primary reason that the tea party movement has not faded but instead is gaining strength. concrete results and votes have been produced.

[JustRalph]

The question is how many of those Tea Party representatives would have been elected had they run on their own against Republican and Democratic opponents. I think the answer is obvious. None.

If you would look into it, you would find some did. They defeated the incumbent Republican in a primary and then beat the Dem in the election.

Keep ignoring it.

[Ocala Mike]

.

They defeated the incumbent Republican in a primary


Keep ignoring it.

Right, a REPUBLICAN primary. Come out of the closet, and run on the TEA PARTY line, and see how that works for you.

[Tom]

Right, a REPUBLICAN primary. Come out of the closet, and run on the TEA PARTY line, and see how that works for you.

Come out of the closet?
What are you smoking this weekend?

[JustRalph]

Right, a REPUBLICAN primary. Come out of the closet, and run on the TEA PARTY line, and see how that works for you.

Amazing stuff

You are hung up on a label and think that just because they didn't change their name it matters? I am sure the voters who dethroned the Repub incumbent would have voted differently because of a name change. Yeah, that's the ticket.

[Ocala Mike]

In the 50's and 60's in NY, there were THREE parties; D, R, and L. Often, but not always, the D/L candidate was the same. Sometines (rarely), it was R/L. Can't remember if anyone running only on the Liberal ticket ever won anything.

All I'm saying is that the so-called Tea Party is merely a faction of one of the other parties. I am waiting for the day when a D, an R, and a T square off in a meaningful election.

[Ocala Mike]

Can't remember if anyone running only on the Liberal ticket ever won anything.



Just got my memory jogged. John Lindsay was elected Mayor in 1969 on the Liberal line.

[reckless]

In the 50's and 60's in NY, there were THREE parties; D, R, and L. Often, but not always, the D/L candidate was the same. Sometines (rarely), it was R/L. Can't remember if anyone running only on the Liberal ticket ever won anything.

All I'm saying is that the so-called Tea Party is merely a faction of one of the other parties. I am waiting for the day when a D, an R, and a T square off in a meaningful election.

Nelson Rockefeller (Gov.), Jacob Javits (Senator), and Louis Leftkowitz (Atty. Gen'l) were Republicans that often ran with the Liberal Party line endorsement.

Mike, you forgot the Conservative Party, formed in 1962 because the state GOP was a left wing party whose main purpose was to defeat Rockefeller and Javits.

A Liberal Party candidate never won a statewide race without the added endorsement of either the Democrat or GOP parties.

But, the Conservative Party did win in 1970, electing the great James L. Buckley -- brother of William -- to the US Senate, the seat formerly held by Robert Kennedy, and later, by Hillary Clinton.

[reckless]

Just got my memory jogged. John Lindsay was elected Mayor in 1969 on the Liberal line.

Yes, Mike, Lindsay was re-elected mayor while running on the Liberal Party line. In one of the only times in NYC history, the GOP and Democrats both nominated conservative candidates.

John Marchi, who beat Lindsay in the GOP primary, also had the Conservative Party line.

Mario Procaccino, then NYC Comptroller and a neighbor of my wife's aunt and uncle in the Bronx, won the Democrat Party primary.

Lindsay benefited from the two conservatives splitting the vote despite being blamed for the fiscal woes that would schnozzle the City until the mid-late 1970s.

Lindsay was a real decent man, very well meaning. I met him on a few occasions and he truly was a good egg considering his upper crust background.

But in all honesty, his tenure as Mayor is deemed a failure.

[jdhanover]

I'll join the fray...for giggles.

1) Dems hold the Senate (those lose a few seats). Repubs hold the House but surprisingly lose a few seats. The public still HATES Congress.

2) The battle inside the Republican Party gets VERY ugly. It is already brewing. The business establishment does not like the Tea Party and this group is getting organized. Watch for some extremely pricey primary battles. Lots of money on both sides of the party. But this wont hurt them much...it steals all the media attention and Dems are in the background in some races.

3) Obama's approval rating actually edges up a few points as the economy continues to slowly improve. People tire of the health care noise and that issue is far less of one than currently viewed.

4) But some other issue will pop up for the talking heads to make noise about.

5) Immigration reform talk will swell and get even more confusing to most voters

6) The Blackhawks win their 2d straight Stanley Cup (my Isles seem destined to miss the playoffs but I smell some roster changes coming soon that may turn things around)

7) My Yankees miss the playoffs (too many old players = injuries); not enough pitching,

8) Tom will post at least 500 anti-Obama posts

9) Mostpost will rebut Tom at least 500 times.

10) Tom and Mostpost start their own website entertaining millions of viewers (along the lines of the old SNL gig "Point/Counter-point" with Dan Akroyd and Jane Curtain). If not millions of viewers, at least 5.

11) At least 3 racetracks will run their final season in 2014 continuing the consolidation trend (which, btw, is not all bad - industry has overcapacity just like many others)

12) 2014 is a profitable year on my horse betting.....and 2014 begins Thursday evn though the calendar doesnt turn for a few more days.

Happy Holidays and Happy/Healthy New Year to all !!

[reckless]

Here's your problem: Ronald Reagan wouldn't pass muster with most in the Tea Party. Perhaps you didn't care for Reagan either?

Saratoga ... I am not accusing you of simply spewing out Democrat Party talking points but I have heard on numerous occasions Democrats and assorted left wingers make this same silly claim about Reagan and the Tea Party as you did.

It's totally and patently false.

It is the establishment, Wash D.C. centric Republican Party that today's Ronald Reagan wouldn't pass muster with.

It's the Bushes, Howard Baker, John McClain, Alan Simpson, Lamar Alexander, Mitt Romney and the Karl Rove types that over the years have veered left -- and far, far away from Reagan and his conservative principles.

[spicytomato]

lets see

March 2014 the Prez will surprise -

in other news

plant crash in california - 160 involved

quake off coast of mexico.. 150 miles north of Guadalajara
and 200 miles off coast.. 6.5 .. no injuries

Brazil rains will cause the price of coffee to go up

Banks begin looking better and better as
housing market makes a nice move April

New sunken ship treasure found by divers
totals 11.2 million in find .. just kidding
threw that one in for kicks :D

[Ocala Mike]

Lindsay was a real decent man, very well meaning. I met him on a few occasions and he truly was a good egg considering his upper crust background.

But in all honesty, his tenure as Mayor is deemed a failure.



I was living in Queens at the time. My recollection is that a huge snowstorm that buried eastern Queens became his Obamacare. NYC hit its low point in the mid-70's or so, and I remember a famous NY Daily News headline:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/Ford_to_City.PNG

[Tom]

In the 50's and 60's in NY, there were THREE parties; D, R, and L. Often, but not always, the D/L candidate was the same. Sometines (rarely), it was R/L. Can't remember if anyone running only on the Liberal ticket ever won anything.

All I'm saying is that the so-called Tea Party is merely a faction of one of the other parties. I am waiting for the day when a D, an R, and a T square off in a meaningful election.
The "Tea Party" is not a party. It is a philosphy, a belief.
The republican party is merely a vehicle for it.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Saratoga ... I am not accusing you of simply spewing out Democrat Party talking points but I have heard on numerous occasions Democrats and assorted left wingers make this same silly claim about Reagan and the Tea Party as you did.

It's totally and patently false.

It is the establishment, Wash D.C. centric Republican Party that today's Ronald Reagan wouldn't pass muster with.

It's the Bushes, Howard Baker, John McClain, Alan Simpson, Lamar Alexander, Mitt Romney and the Karl Rove types that over the years have veered left -- and far, far away from Reagan and his conservative principles.

That's good given I'm a Republican. But I'm a Republican who actually realizes what it takes to win a general election. Like I said before, go nominate more O'Donnells and Angles - can't miss. Thanks for keeping the Senate in the hands of Harry Reid. Well done.

You are absolutely wrong about Reagan. There's no way his spending record would have been acceptable to the Tea Party movement.

Now I'm not accusing you of spewing Tea Party talking points, but that's all you're doing here.

[Ocala Mike]

The "Tea Party" is not a party. It is a philosphy, a belief.
The republican party is merely a vehicle for it.



I'm fully aware of that, and, all I'm saying is that some of their philosophy and beliefs are at odds with main-stream Republicanism. They need, like children, to sit in the back seat of the "vehicle" and behave, or else the driver's going to tell them to get out and walk. They're too young to drive, in other words. See Saratoga's post, above.

[Marshall Bennett]

Asiana Airlines will go out of business because none of their Korean pilots can land their jets manually :cool:

[Robert Goren]

The tea party will oust some Rhino in the primary and lose in the general while exit polls shows the Rhino would have gotten 55% of the vote.
Some tea party candidate who looked like he had his race sown up will open his month about rape and lose.
Ted Cruz will put a book and it will be a best seller.
Sarah Palin will wonder why Cruz's book is out selling hers.
Fox News will hire some one from CNN and they will never be seen again.
Tom will cut back on his political commentary and start being funny again.
The Husker hoops team will win fewer Big 10 games than its football team does.
The Derby winner will pay at least $30.00 and I won't have it.
No Triple Crown winner.
The Yankees will stink again.
Nick Foles will be the next elite NFL QB.
I still won't pick the winner of a turf race.
I will make at least 2 trips to the ER.
The Rams will trade its first round pick( actually Washington's) for a boat load of other picks.
I figure out a way to get the Esquire channel on the net.
The Ravens will get some O-linemen and be good again.
More to come.

[reckless]

That's good given I'm a Republican. But I'm a Republican who actually realizes what it takes to win a general election. Like I said before, go nominate more O'Donnells and Angles - can't miss. Thanks for keeping the Senate in the hands of Harry Reid. Well done.

You are absolutely wrong about Reagan. There's no way his spending record would have been acceptable to the Tea Party movement.

Now I'm not accusing you of spewing Tea Party talking points, but that's all you're doing here.

Christine O'Donnell ran against a life-long liberal congressman Mike Castle in the GOP primary and thumped him. How could that be since Castle was a popular life-long liberal Republican?

O'Donnell promised to vote against the upcoming Obama Care bill. Castle never committed to such a promise and O'Donnell called him out on that. And, she won the primary.

The next day or so, the misogynistic, woman-hating 'brain' Karl Rove, attacked O'Donnell and the people of Delaware. She received very little money from the GOP senate committee who helps fund Republican candidates.

When she lost, after having her head beaten in by both the Democrats and main stream weak-kneed Republicans, we heard two things: 1- Mike Castle would have won the general election; 2- the Tea Party is to blame.

For one fleeting moment, let's agree that Castle would have won the general election. What would that prove pertaining to Obama Care legislation? Castle's entire voting history in the House was that of a RINO left wing wuss. There was definitely no guarantee of any kind that Castle would have voted against the Obama Care bill. He historically voted numerous times against legislation brought forward by the GOP. His crappy record speaks for itself.

Federal spending is just one aspect of the conservative movement. Again, Mike, saying Reagan wouldn't be accepted by the Tea Party because of spending during his terms is outright silly. I also believe the Democrats had a majority of the Congress in more years under Reagan than not.

What about Tea Party candidate Stephen Miller, who beat long-time corrupt GOP incumbent Lisa Mukowski in the Alaska primary? He definitely was no nutjob or goofball, as was alleged against Sharron Angle and O'Donnell. The very same weak RINOs in the Senate not only ignored Miller monetarily but kept Lisa, Lisa on some major committees, against normal policy. This gave her unearned credibilty in the general election, which she won, of course.

Since then, she's voted for every tax increase, continuing resolution, debt ceiling increase and spending bill that has been up, and her confirmation votes for Obama's judges and cabinet members are also a disgrace. And so is she.

I assume you preferred Mukowski to Stephen Miller, the Tea Party candidate, right Mike?

Those are just two Tea Party candidates that would have done our country proud. All these RINO GOP politicians don't do our country any good when all is said and done. And the Rove, Coburn, McClain, Alexander, Christie, Bush cabal needs to go, and they will, in time.

So, Mike, after all is said and done, as you say, what does it take to win a general election?

Does it mean you give up your principles.

You might do so, but I never will.

[reckless]

I was living in Queens at the time. My recollection is that a huge snowstorm that buried eastern Queens became his Obamacare. NYC hit its low point in the mid-70's or so, and I remember a famous NY Daily News headline:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/Ford_to_City.PNG

I remember that headline very well too, Ocala Mike.

But you need to know two things --

1-John Lindsay was not the mayor of New York at that time. Democrat Abraham Beame was mayor.

2-President Gerald Ford never said 'Drop Dead'.

Ford did get blamed for NYC's fiscal woes and it cost him in the 1976 race against Jimmy Carter.

[Saratoga_Mike]

1) Federal spending is just one aspect of the conservative movement. Again, Mike, saying Reagan wouldn't be accepted by the Tea Party because of spending during his terms is outright silly. 2) I also believe the Democrats had a majority of the Congress in more years under Reagan than not.



1) The Tea Party movement is driven primarily by a desire to limit the size of govt, lower taxes, and reduce the growth rate of federal spending (hopefully cut certain areas). Admirable goals - that I support. What was the CAGR of non-defense spending under Reagan? Once you find that number, try telling me it would be acceptable to today's backers of the Tea Party movement.

2) The point being Reagan had to work with Dems, at least in the House (I think Reps controlled the Senate most of the time). Kind of what Boehner has tried to explain to the Tea Party faction in the House! Obama is a Dem. By extension, Reps in the House (and Senate) won't always get everything they want (just like Reagan did not, as you've intimidated).

Mike Castle would have caucused with Republicans. Would he have voted your way or my way on spending bills every time? Probably not. But we would be in a far superior position today if Harry Reid and the Dems weren't in charge of the Senate. That's glaringly obvious.

From everything I've read, I would have supported the Tea Party-backed candidate in Alaska.

I'll respond to your other points later.

[Robert Goren]

Those are just two Tea Party candidates that would have done our country proud. All these RINO GOP politicians don't do our country any good when all is said and done. And the Rove, Coburn, McClain, Alexander, Christie, Bush cabal needs to go, and they will, in time.

So, Mike, after all is said and done, as you say, what does it take to win a general election?

Does it mean you give up your principles.

You might do so, but I never will.And they will be replaced for the most part by either democrats or other rhinos. For there record, I can not see the difference between Coburn and anybody in the tea party. He is as big a right wing nut case as there is. When it comes to republicans, I'd like to remind everyone we are talking shades of black here.

[Saratoga_Mike]

I remember that headline very well too, Ocala Mike.

But you need to know two things --

1-John Lindsay was not the mayor of New York at that time. Democrat Abraham Beame was mayor.

2-President Gerald Ford never said 'Drop Dead'.

Ford did get blamed for NYC's fiscal woes and it cost him in the 1976 race against Jimmy Carter.

2) The Daily News reported it that way - catchy headline to capture Ford's overall message

Ford lost b/c of his perceived mishandling of the NYC fiscal issues? I've never heard that before. I always thought he lost b/c he pardoned Nixon, and the American people wanted to wipe the slate clean with a brand-new Admin.

[Saratoga_Mike]

And they will be replaced for the most part by either democrats or other rhinos. For there record, I can not see the difference between Coburn and anybody in the tea party. He is as big a right wing nut case as there is. When it comes to republicans, I'd like to remind everyone we are talking shades of black here.

I'd vote for Tom Coburn. Is he disliked by the Tea Party now?

[johnhannibalsmith]

... When it comes to republicans, I'd like to remind everyone we are talking shades of black here.

I can't think of a better character to come with a wacky stereotype.

[reckless]

2) The Daily News reported it that way - catchy headline to capture Ford's overall message

Ford lost b/c of his perceived mishandling of the NYC fiscal issues? I've never heard that before. I always thought he lost b/c he pardoned Nixon, and the American people wanted to wipe the slate clean with a brand-new Admin.

Pardoning Nixon was his main undoing, of course.

I erred in implying that Ford was responsible for NYC's fiscal crisis. That was in the works long before Ford became president.

Ford, nevertheless, was a villain when it came to NYC fiscal woes, mostly from the 'Drop Dead' headline.

Whether that is right or wrong is not the case... that's life.

[Ocala Mike]

1-John Lindsay was not the mayor of New York at that time. Democrat Abraham Beame was mayor.

2-President Gerald Ford never said 'Drop Dead'.



I am aware of both of those facts. Abe Beame the mayor and Hugh Carey the governor. What Saratoga Mike said about the catchy headline and Ford. Abe Beame was succeeded by Ed Koch. and when Beame left office in 1977, the city budget had changed from a $1.5 billion deficit to a surplus of $200 million.

[Actor]

The reality show Handicapping, which premieres late January, will be a hit.
It will increase handle at the tracks but not enough to stop the general decline of the racing industry.
It will come under heavy criticism from Gamblers Anonymous.

[spicytomato]

lets see

March 2014 the Prez will surprise -

in other news

plane crash in california - 160 involved

quake off coast of mexico.. 150 miles north of Guadalajara
and 200 miles off coast.. 6.5 .. no injuries

Brazil rains will cause the price of coffee to go up

Banks begin looking better and better as
housing market makes a nice move April

New sunken ship treasure found by divers
totals 11.2 million in find .. just kidding
threw that one in for kicks :D

24hrs ago i wrote
not quite a crash eh
thats okay--

18 hrs ago

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A foul odor on an American Airlines plane from Miami to Los Angeles caused a flight delay and sent several people to the hospital on Monday.

An airline spokesperson says the stench came from a leaking cargo bin filled with fish.

"It smelled somewhat like rotten fruit juice or like smelly cheese," said passenger Judith Chase of Bakersfield.

The plane returned to its gate at Miami International Airport, and passengers had to go back to the terminal. Five flight attendants became so sick they had to be taken to a nearby hospital. They were all treated and released.

Passengers said the whole situation was frustrating and stressful


waiting on the earthquake..

[jballscalls]

It will come under heavy criticism from Gamblers Anonymous.


I can already tell you this one won't happen. GA doesn't comment or have opinions on any issues outside of the rooms of GA. Rules 10 and 11 of the unity program state:

10. Gamblers Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the Gamblers Anonymous name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, films, television and Internet.

But 2 outta 3 ain't bad!

[jballscalls]

This thread's been entertaining! My favorite line was the Tom makes 500 anti-Obama post and Mosty makes 500 rebuts LOL That's only 1.4 or so per day, I'd go with the overs!

I'll throw a couple out there:

--Kentucky Derby winner once again comes via Florida preps

--Preakness winner comes via New York preps

--There's not a speed bias at SA for BC Day 1 or 2

--Obamacare is discussed in OT more than twice

--Either Mark Johnson or Collmus sneeze during their Derby call

--Nancy Pelosi tells a lie; also gets another facial procedure

--George Z. gets arrested again but is acquitted again or ends up not getting charged

[JustRalph]

Michelle Obama moves out of The White House a year or more before the term ends

She moves to Chicago or Hawaii

[JustRalph]

Michelle Obama moves out of The White House a year or more before the term ends

She moves to Chicago or Hawaii

Probably after 2014,,,,, but on the record

[jballscalls]

Michelle Obama moves out of The White House a year or more before the term ends

She moves to Chicago or Hawaii

interesting! There has to come a time when we see a president get a divorce in office right?

I know Reagan was a divorcee but that was from way before he took office. But I would think it takes quite a lot of effort and a strong bond to stay together through that. I mean I'm sure politically even if they wanted to get a divorce, many of the wives know they shouldn't leave while in office.

I always found GW and Laura to be a very sweet couple in interviews I've seen them together. Big fan of Mrs. Bush

[johnhannibalsmith]

interesting! There has to come a time when we see a president get a divorce in office right?

...

Oh geez, my first thought there was going to be a fight over extradition and she was leaving the white house to go to the big house. :D

[Actor]

I can already tell you this one won't happen. GA doesn't comment or have opinions on any issues outside of the rooms of GA. Rules 10 and 11 of the unity program state:

10. Gamblers Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the Gamblers Anonymous name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, films, television and Internet.

But 2 outta 3 ain't bad!Good to know. :cool:

[lamboguy]

Pardoning Nixon was his main undoing, of course.

I erred in implying that Ford was responsible for NYC's fiscal crisis. That was in the works long before Ford became president.

Ford, nevertheless, was a villain when it came to NYC fiscal woes, mostly from the 'Drop Dead' headline.

Whether that is right or wrong is not the case... that's life.Tricky dick was my favorite president. when i first walked into my draft board to sign up there was a huge portrait of him with his forefinger pointed at you as you walked through the door.

he made Obama and Bush look like school boys, no one trusted him including his own republican party.

[davew]

Tricky dick was my favorite president. when i first walked into my draft board to sign up there was a huge portrait of him with his forefinger pointed at you as you walked through the door.

he made Obama and Bush look like school boys, no one trusted him including his own republican party.

He was good at poker, you could never tell when he was lying.

Unlike the current president, when you know what he is saying is wrong but can not tell if he is lying or just an idiot (for believing his appointed yes-men advisors).


My prediction is unemployment will go up after the administration ramrods a higher minimum wage for family living .... but they will change the way the number is calculated so it will look better.

[HUSKER55]

suppose the minimum wage goes up and your burger is now $1.60. That increase in minimum wage should move a lot of people off of public support.


Therefore taxes should go down.

My prediction for 2014: They won't.

[fast4522]

Michelle Obama moves out of The White House a year or more before the term ends

She moves to Chicago or Hawaii

I can imagine she would go dancing with the stars before giving up her airplane.

[HUSKER55]

another prediction:

the crap and political bullshit that goes on in this country will go on an on because no one is responsible for anything and no one in charge will say no.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by jballscalls
interesting! There has to come a time when we see a president get a divorce in office right?

Not this one. no way she gives up her meal ticket.
She didn't get where she is today on her ability, brains, or good looks! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Similar to "shovel ready!" :lol:

[Robert Goren]

He was good at poker, you could never tell when he was lying.

Unlike the current president, when you know what he is saying is wrong but can not tell if he is lying or just an idiot (for believing his appointed yes-men advisors).


My prediction is unemployment will go up after the administration ramrods a higher minimum wage for family living .... but they will change the way the number is calculated so it will look better.There is story out there that Nixon's first political campaign was financed from his poker winnings during WWII.

[JustRalph]

Michelle Obama moves out of The White House a year or more before the term ends

She moves to Chicago or Hawaii

She's staying in Hawaii. The cold must be too much for her

What's this going to cost tax payers?

[classhandicapper]

We'll continue down the path of deficit spending and money printing.

We'll continue our denial about the long terms demographics and their long term impact on the solvency of social security, medicare, medicaid, and various pensions.

We'll continue heading in the direction of moral relativism and compound all our social problems.

We'll be one year closer to one or some combination of the following: high inflation, the collapse of the US Dollar and loss of its reserves status, the collapse of much of the US banking system, the collapse of the US economy in a 30's style debacle.

All the arguing here, on TV, in Washington, or anywhere else is not going to make a damn difference in changing any of it.

New Years resolution: Stop arguing with people about it. I'm not going to change it or anyone's mind. So prepare myself (and my family) for the worst and leave everyone else to think and do as they please.

[JustRalph]

New Years resolution: Stop arguing with people about it. I'm not going to change it or anyone's mind. So prepare myself (and my family) for the worst and leave everyone else to think and do as they please.

You just described my entire plan for the future. Already made some big changes. Making lots of changes and concentrating on protecting and caring for those close to me

If you have kids, you should be very afraid for them.

[jdhanover]

You guys crack me up. It is 80+ degress in Hawaii and record cold snap coming in the Midwest and East....wouldn't you stay in Hawaii if you could for at least a few days?

And all the negativity on here?!?!?? - must be a bunch of horseplayers :D

[Stillriledup]

1. the republicans take back the senate

2.A war will start in Africa

3. even though i don't like it, Obama Care will be a big success

4. someone from Pace Advantage will win the handicapping tournament in Las Vegas

5. the Yankees get back to the playoffs

6.unemployment hits 6 1/2%

7. the dow jones reaches $17,000

8. gold puts in a bottom at $1050

9. some kind of break through will put us a big step closer to curing cancer

10. the Seattle Seahawks will run the table and win the superbowl

*little guy chomping on popcorn while reading #10*

[spicytomato]

uhmm lets see

predictiions

new treatment for back and neck bone surgery
will include stem cell with the addition of growth hormone
and donated bone dust, to create new bone where there is need



new treatment and perhaps cure for HIV AIDS
will come from isolating a cell defense gene or protein
and introducing it to the HIV AIDS Virus cells
making super killer cells in the body against the disease

PS the above can happen from already existing people in
Germany resistant to the HIV virus

one can only hope :)