Trivia Thread

[RacingFan1992]

Hey anyone out there want to start a trivia thread. The rules are simple I ask a question like "What jockey has the most breeders cup wins?" You have to have a link that supports your answer and if it is correct the first person who answered the question correctly can then ask a question.

The questions can't be so stinking hard that no one will know. When it comes to answering a question you have to wait for the person who asked the question to review your answer. They have to say your answer is correct. Only one response per question. If a question has multiple answers the person must give all answers.

Okay lets start.

Question: Name a horse who is a third generation Preakness Stakes winner?

[Overlay]

Question: Name a horse who is a third generation Preakness Stakes winner?

http://www.horse-races.net/library/preak-winners.htm

Risen Star (1988), by Secretariat (1973), by Bold Ruler (1957)

I'd prefer to leave the next question to someone else, if I may.

[RacingFan1992]

That is the right answer.

Okay now that I think about it I am officially killing this thread.

[Overlay]

That is the right answer.

Okay now that I think about it I am officially killing this thread.
The internet takes most of the challenge out of trivia questions (assuming that you're allowed to use a computer to answer them).

I took an American Foreign Policy course back in college in the early 1970's. The professor handed out the final exam on the first day of the class, to be turned in on the last day. Part of it consisted of a list of twenty obscure terms (such as "X's article" or "EOKA-B (Davies)") related to the history of the subject that each student had to identify and write a brief synopsis of. Everyone thought that the list was extraordinarily difficult (and it was, at that time), and most of us spent almost the entire semester researching it, but with Google, it would have been just a couple hours of work.

[OntheRail]

I was going to use this in a giveaway... on a Cigar Piece I made. But it got step on. I thought it was a cool trivia question.


Three Degrees Of Cigar.

Cigar won 16 consecutive races from 1994-1996.
Tying 1948 Triple Crown Winner Citation's 16 in a row 1948-1950,
that established the modern-day record at the time.
Citation also held the modern-day record for most wins in a single year at 19 races.

Name the horse that Eclipsed Citation's and Cigar's 16.
That holds the record for consecutive races won.
And tied the single year win record at 19.

The name of the horse is?

[Longshot6977]

Zenyotta?

[SharpCat]

I was going to use this in a giveaway... on a Cigar Piece I made. But it got step on. I thought it was a cool trivia question.


Three Degrees Of Cigar.

Cigar won 16 consecutive races from 1994-1996.
Tying 1948 Triple Crown Winner Citation's 16 in a row 1948-1950,
that established the modern-day record at the time.
Citation also held the modern-day record for most wins in a single year at 19 races.

Name the horse that Eclipsed Citation's and Cigar's 16.
That holds the record for consecutive races won.
And tied the single year win record at 19.



The name of the horse is?


Rapid Redux

[OntheRail]

Rapid Redux

Ding Ding... Correct. :ThmbUp:

[KirisClown]

What was the last Grade I race run as a non-betting exhibition event in the state of NY.... and who won the race?

[senortout]

1980 The Bid, Woodward


UOTE=KirisClown]What was the last Grade I race run as a non-betting exhibition event in the state of NY.... and who won the race?[/QUOTE]

[andtheyreoff]

What was the last Grade I race run as a non-betting exhibition event in the state of NY.... and who won the race?

1994 Beldame...four horses with three betting interests. Heavenly Prize was the winner: http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFChartPlus.cfm?BORP=P&STYLE=EQB&DAY=D&tid=BEL&dt=10/08/1994&ctry=USA&race=11

I miss your videos BTW.

[moneyandland]

What was the last Grade I race run as a non-betting exhibition event in the state of NY.... and who won the race?


Beldame 1994 Heavenly Prize

[KirisClown]

It was Heavenly Prize in the 1994 Beldame.. good job guys..

[KirisClown]

When was the last time two different Belmont Stakes winners ran as a coupled entry? Name the race and the two Belmont winners.

Hint: It was in NY and it was in a Grade I race.

[the little guy]

When was the last time two different Belmont Stakes winners ran as a coupled entry? Name the race and the two Belmont winners.

Hint: It was in NY and it was in a Grade I race.


Riva Ridge and Secretariat in the 1973 Marlboro Cup.

[andtheyreoff]

When was the last time two different Belmont Stakes winners ran as a coupled entry? Name the race and the two Belmont winners.

Hint: It was in NY and it was in a Grade I race.

1986 Jockey Club Gold Cup, Creme Fraiche (1st) and Danzig Connection (3rd).

[KirisClown]

Riva Ridge and Secretariat in the 1973 Marlboro Cup.

That's an excellent guess.. but it happened more recently.

[KirisClown]

1986 Jockey Club Gold Cup, Creme Fraiche (1st) and Danzig Connection (3rd).


You got it, well done.. Turkoman completed the exacta..

aB_PuITVAdA

[the little guy]

And I was even there that day. Nice.

Turkoman never should have lost.

[cj]

Speaking of Danzig Connection, which 2-5 horse did he upset winning the G2 Pegasus at the Big M?

Second place finisher Broad Brush followed the race with wins in the PA Derby and the Meadowlands Cup, but he wasn't the favorite that day.

[Stillriledup]

Speaking of Danzig Connection, which 2-5 horse did he upset winning the G2 Pegasus at the Big M?

Second place finisher Broad Brush followed the race with wins in the PA Derby and the Meadowlands Cup, but he wasn't the favorite that day.

Didnt Broad Brush X (remember those Mud Marks in the DRF, Broad Brush was a "superior mudder" according to the X after his name) Bolt to the outer rail at Keystone (or whatever it was called at the time)?

[cj]

Didnt Broad Brush X (remember those Mud Marks in the DRF, Broad Brush was a "superior mudder" according to the X after his name) Bolt to the outer rail at Keystone (or whatever it was called at the time)?

Yes, and it was Philly Park by then, almost positive about that. He also still won. Went from 1st, to last, to 1st. He also ran in all those races in about a month, something you rarely see today in top class racing.

[nijinski]

What champion filly was stolen from her paddock in foal to Secretariat?

oops I cheated , didn't answer a question.

[RacingFan1992]

Fanfreluche
http://www.barbaralivingston.com/Stories_Fanfreluche.html

Oh BTW as for the rules for this thread toss em. I just like to see people enjoying trivia about horse racing. It was all in fun.

How many times did the Kentucky Derby winner not run in the Preakness from 1979 to current? Name em if you want to.

[SharpCat]

What champion filly was stolen from her paddock in foal to Secretariat?

oops I cheated , didn't answer a question.


I believe it was Fanfraluche.

[nijinski]

Fanfreluche
http://www.barbaralivingston.com/Stories_Fanfreluche.html

Oh BTW as for the rules for this thread toss em. I just like to see people enjoying trivia about horse racing. It was all in fun.

How many times did the Kentucky Derby winner not run in the Preakness from 1979 to current? Name em if you want to.

Bingo ! Imagine the folks that found and homed her named her Brandy
and had no idea how valuable she was .

[nijinski]

I believe it was Fanfraluche.

Yes RacingFan beat ya to it though .

[RacingFan1992]

How many times did the Kentucky Derby winner not run in the Preakness from 1979 to current? Name em if you want to.

[SharpCat]

How many times did the Kentucky Derby winner not run in the Preakness from 1979 to current? Name em if you want to.


I believe it's 3. Gato Del Sol, Spend a Buck and Grindstone.

[RacingFan1992]

yup that's right your turn Sharpcat

[KirisClown]

Speaking of Danzig Connection, which 2-5 horse did he upset winning the G2 Pegasus at the Big M?

Second place finisher Broad Brush followed the race with wins in the PA Derby and the Meadowlands Cup, but he wasn't the favorite that day.

aN-E_xJgq1k

[SharpCat]

Which jockey holds the North American record for consecutive winning mounts?

[RacingFan1992]

Tim Moccasin

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/53463/dunkelberger-ties-record-for-consecutive-wins

I think so

[SharpCat]

Tim Moccasin

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/53463/dunkelberger-ties-record-for-consecutive-wins

I think so


Correct.

[RacingFan1992]

How many of the Triple Crown winners ran in the Travers Stakes?

[Overlay]

How many of the Triple Crown winners ran in the Travers Stakes?

http://www.drf.com/news/triple-crown-winners-gallant-fox
http://www.drf.com/news/triple-crown-winners-whirlaway
http://www.drf.com/news/triple-crown-winners-affirmed

Gallant Fox finished second to Jim Dandy in 1930.
Whirlaway won in 1941.
Affirmed finished first in 1978, but was disqualified in favor of Alydar in their tenth and final meeting.

[andtheyreoff]

Since I owe a trivia question: Who was the last Kentucky Derby winner to win a graded stakes on the turf?

[TheEdge07]

aN-E_xJgq1k

Ogyian Neruds horse ..1/5 i spelled it wrong..

Only horse to be favorite in all 3 triple crown races and get beat?

[Wiley]

Ogyian Neruds horse ..1/5 i spelled it wrong..

Only horse to be favorite in all 3 triple crown races and get beat?
I think Chiefs Crown in 85.

[OntheRail]

Since I owe a trivia question: Who was the last Kentucky Derby winner to win a graded stakes on the turf?

Big Brown?

[TheEdge07]

I think Chiefs Crown in 85.

WOW..how in the world did you get that..?

[andtheyreoff]

Big Brown?

Nope, but I've always wished we could've seen more of Big Brown on the grass. His two races on that surface were very promising.

I will drop a hint- this horse won their grass race in their three year old season.

[SharpCat]

Nope, but I've always wished we could've seen more of Big Brown on the grass. His two races on that surface were very promising.

I will drop a hint- this horse won their grass race in their three year old season.


Barbaro

[andtheyreoff]

Barbaro

Yep. 2006 Tropical Park Derby.

[Wiley]

WOW..how in the world did you get that..?
Just sick that way.

Really into racing back then. Years ago read a pretty good book by Carol Flake, 'Tarnished Crown' on CC's career.

Read this one a few years ago,

Name a horse/colt who won the same Major/Grade I dirt stakes race that his sire and dam also won?

I assume in North American dirt races this is the only time this has ever happened. A hint, this happened pre race grading, race was listed as a grade one when initially graded.

[thespaah]

Yes, and it was Philly Park by then, almost positive about that. He also still won. Went from 1st, to last, to 1st. He also ran in all those races in about a month, something you rarely see today in top class racing.
Yes. I was there. The next day I read an article about the race. The writer made a funny. He wrote something to the effect that Broad Brush decided to stop and have a chat with the rail birds before rejoining the field to go on for the win...

[thespaah]

Yes, and it was Philly Park by then, almost positive about that. He also still won. Went from 1st, to last, to 1st. He also ran in all those races in about a month, something you rarely see today in top class racing.
Ask and ye shall receive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmg5pOSBEEE

[affirmedny]

Ask and ye shall receive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmg5pOSBEEE

trivia - who is the announcer in this video?

[thespaah]

trivia - who is the announcer in this video?
Jack Lamar....I believe Gene Hart who also was the radio and TV voice for the Flyers had the job as well.

[thespaah]

http://www.broadcastpioneers.com/bp10/jacklamar.html

[RacingFan1992]

Name a horse/colt who won the same Major/Grade I dirt stakes race that his sire and dam also won?

I assume in North American dirt races this is the only time this has ever happened. A hint, this happened pre race grading, race was listed as a grade one when initially graded.

Hey Wiley could ya give us a hint?

[nijinski]

Just sick that way.

Really into racing back then. Years ago read a pretty good book by Carol Flake, 'Tarnished Crown' on CC's career.

Read this one a few years ago,

Name a horse/colt who won the same Major/Grade I dirt stakes race that his sire and dam also won?

I assume in North American dirt races this is the only time this has ever happened. A hint, this happened pre race grading, race was listed as a grade one when initially graded.

Buckpasser and
Sire -Tom Fool , Dam- Busanda were all Suburban Handicap winners .

Not sure because the race flip flopped ,was gr 1 and now gr11 ?

[maclr11]

Me and a couple of buddies have no life, so when football is on and drinks are flowing the Cliff Claven trivia starts rolling out.

Some of it gets pretty insane

I'll give you three relative toughies to see who really knows how to research
A local one for me, a Breeders Cup one, and a track knowledge one
1. The Assiniboia Downs track record for 5 1/2 is held by Sunny Famous, who held the record prior to him? (Hint set in the 1980's)
2. The Breeders Cup is a national and international event
Name the states that have foaled at least 1 with less than 3 Breeders Cup starters
Hint there are 6
3. The most common stretch distance is 990 feet in North America. It's too easy to find the modern tracks at that distance.
There were 16 tracks in NA with a 990 foot stretch in 1985, how many can you name? (Hint 11 are still in operation)

[Wiley]

Buckpasser and
Sire -Tom Fool , Dam- Busanda were all Suburban Handicap winners .

Not sure because the race flip flopped ,was gr 1 and now gr11 ?
Excellent! Great call Nijinski. Yeah I realized the recent race downgrade but tried to word the question as best as possible. Think that is a pretty cool thing to happen.

[SharpCat]

Me and a couple of buddies have no life, so when football is on and drinks are flowing the Cliff Claven trivia starts rolling out.

Some of it gets pretty insane

I'll give you three relative toughies to see who really knows how to research
A local one for me, a Breeders Cup one, and a track knowledge one
1. The Assiniboia Downs track record for 5 1/2 is held by Sunny Famous, who held the record prior to him? (Hint set in the 1980's)
2. The Breeders Cup is a national and international event
Name the states that have foaled at least 1 with less than 3 Breeders Cup starters
Hint there are 6
3. The most common stretch distance is 990 feet in North America. It's too easy to find the modern tracks at that distance.
There were 16 tracks in NA with a 990 foot stretch in 1985, how many can you name? (Hint 11 are still in operation)


1. Intercontinent

2. Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, N. Mexico, Minnesota, W. Virginia

[thespaah]

Me and a couple of buddies have no life, so when football is on and drinks are flowing the Cliff Claven trivia starts rolling out.

Some of it gets pretty insane

I'll give you three relative toughies to see who really knows how to research
A local one for me, a Breeders Cup one, and a track knowledge one
1. The Assiniboia Downs track record for 5 1/2 is held by Sunny Famous, who held the record prior to him? (Hint set in the 1980's)
2. The Breeders Cup is a national and international event
Name the states that have foaled at least 1 with less than 3 Breeders Cup starters
Hint there are 6
3. The most common stretch distance is 990 feet in North America. It's too easy to find the modern tracks at that distance.
There were 16 tracks in NA with a 990 foot stretch in 1985, how many can you name? (Hint 11 are still in operation)
Beulah Park
Penn Nat'l
Meadowlands
Calder
Canterbury
Delaware
Fairmount
Finger Lakes
Lone Star
Monmouth
Mountaineer
Oaklawn
Parx
PID
Remington
Turfway

Ok so on some of these I guessed. Sue me.

[maclr11]

1. Intercontinent

2. Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, N. Mexico, Minnesota, W. Virginia

That's pretty good
Good job

[nijinski]

Excellent! Great call Nijinski. Yeah I realized the recent race downgrade but tried to word the question as best as possible. Think that is a pretty cool thing to happen.

You worded it fine and yes that was quite a mating !

[maclr11]

Beulah Park
Penn Nat'l
Meadowlands
Calder
Canterbury
Delaware
Fairmount
Finger Lakes
Lone Star
Monmouth
Mountaineer
Oaklawn
Parx
PID
Remington
Turfway

Ok so on some of these I guessed. Sue me.

That's 4 correct

Penn National
Meadowlands
Calder
Monmouth

[Racetrack Playa]

Trivia tribute
a poem by Charles Bukowski

40,000

at the track today,
Father's Day,
each paid admission was
entitled to a wallet
and each contained a
little surprise.





What was in the wallet?

I'm assuming that he was referring to Hollywood Park.
I do not know the answer and this is my first post, Hello Race Fans.

[Racetrack Playa]

40000


at the track today,
Father's Day,
each paid admission was
entitled to a wallet
and each contained a
little surprise.
most of the men seemed
between 30 and 55,
going to fat,
many of them in walking
shorts,
they had gone stale in
life,
flattened out....
in fact, damn it, they
aren't even worth writing
about!
why am I doing
this?
these don't even
deserve a death bed,
these little walking
whales,
only there are so
many of
them,
in the urinals,
in the food lines,
they have managed to
survive
in a most limited
sense
but when you see
so many of them
like that,
there and not there,
breathing, farting,
commenting,
waiting for a thunder
that will not arrive,
waiting for the charging
white horse of
Glory,
waiting for the lovely
female that is not
there,
waiting to WIN,
waiting for the great
dream to
engulf them
but they do nothing,
they clomp in their
sandals,
gnaw at hot dogs
dog style,
gulping at the
meat,
they complain about
losing,
blame the jocks,
drink green
beer,
the parking lot is
jammed with their
unpaid for
cars,
the jocks mount
again for another
race,
the men press
toward the betting
windows
mesmerized,
fathers and non-fathers
Monday is waiting
for them,
this is the last
big lark.
and the horses are
totally
beautiful.
it is shocking how
beautiful they
are
at that time,
at that place,
their life shines
through;
miracles happen,
even in
hell.
I decide to stay for
one more
race.

Charles Bukowski
from Transit magazine, 1994

[appistappis]

name the 2 champion horses born minutes apart at claiborne farms that ran in the same ky derby????

[maclr11]

name the 2 champion horses born minutes apart at claiborne farms that ran in the same ky derby????

Bold Ruler and Round Table foaled in 1954
The 1957 Kentucky Derby

[OntheRail]

name the 2 champion horses born minutes apart at claiborne farms that ran in the same ky derby????

Bold Ruler & Round Table?

UkQ57ANF1KE

[maclr11]

In 2002 who were the three horses to win 7 or more races and earn more than 500k in North America

[Racetrack Playa]

Bold Ruler and Round table April 6 1954

[nijinski]

I think Claiborne removed Bold Ruler's derby from equibase :lol:

[the little guy]

In 2002 who were the three horses to win 7 or more races and earn more than 500k in North America

I'll take a shot. I imagine Azeri is definitely one of them. How about Xtra Heat and Congaree as the other two?

[maclr11]

I'll take a shot. I imagine Azeri is definitely one of them. How about Xtra Heat and Congaree as the other two?

Azeri and Xtra Heat are both right

The third one is definitely the tough one

[speed]

Stellar Shiraz or something like that.

[appistappis]

you guys are good, one more that may never happen again....name the horse who beat two triple crown winners in the same race?????

[maclr11]

Exceller in the jockey club gold cup

[appistappis]

what's my mothers maiden name :confused:

[thespaah]

That's 4 correct

Penn National
Meadowlands
Calder
Monmouth
Assiniboia
Emerald Downs
Portland Meadows
Retama Park
Cal Expo
Santa Anita
Sunland Park
Sun Ray Park
Turf Paradise

[iceknight]

Exceller in the jockey club gold cup I knew this one instantly but maclr11 was here earlier in the day!!.. it is quite rare for two triple crown winners to run in the same race.. (i mean, was this the only instance it happened?)..

Oh and here is a question
Name the two horses that held the BC Classic time records in the last 20 years. After the first one set the speed record, the next one did not come around till 11 years if my math is right

[maclr11]

As far as I can tell it went Cigar in 1995, Skip Away in 97 then Ghostzapper in 04

Spaah adds another 6 to the tracks list

The full list is
Ak-Sar-Ben
Assiniboia
Bay Meadows
Calder
Detroit
Longacres
Meadowlands
Monmouth
Penn National
Portland Meadows
Sacramento
Santa Anita
Santa Fe
Sunland
Turf Paradise
Yakima

[Brogan]

As far as I can tell it went Cigar in 1995, Skip Away in 97 then Ghostzapper in 04

Spaah adds another 6 to the tracks list

The full list is
Ak-Sar-Ben
Assiniboia
Bay Meadows
Calder
Detroit
Longacres
Meadowlands
Monmouth
Penn National
Portland Meadows
Sacramento
Santa Anita
Santa Fe
Sunland
Turf Paradise
Yakima
When is the last time the Meadowlands ran a dirt race? Hard to say its still in use.

[maclr11]

Me and a couple of buddies have no life, so when football is on and drinks are flowing the Cliff Claven trivia starts rolling out.

Some of it gets pretty
3. The most common stretch distance is 990 feet in North America. It's too easy to find the modern tracks at that distance.
There were 16 tracks in NA with a 990 foot stretch in 1985, how many can you name? (Hint 11 are still in operation)

In this question I think meadowlands for sure counts as a teacher of mine used to say the answer lies in the question.

[maclr11]

When is the last time the Meadowlands ran a dirt race? Hard to say its still in use.
I'm glad that bay meadows, Detroit, Yakima and ak-sar-Ben are still going too.....

[cj]

Azeri and Xtra Heat are both right

The third one is definitely the tough one

Cellars Shiraz won seven times, all stakes, but only one was graded, the G3 Herecomesthebride Stakes.

[maclr11]

Cellars Shiraz won seven times, all stakes, but only one was graded, the G3 Herecomesthebride Stakes.

Yea she seemed to just pile up a number of little stakes. Definetely not in the same league as Azeri and Xtra Heat

[cj]

Which horse (only?) ran in two different Breeder's Cup races at least twice?

[TheEdge07]

Which horse (only?) ran in two different Breeder's Cup races at least twice?

Pleasant Tap

[cj]

Pleasant Tap

Don't think so. Looks like he ran in four different BC races.

[TheEdge07]

Only trainer to win 5 graded stakes races in 1 day at the same track?


3 grade 1
2 grade 3

Won 6 total the entire card

[KirisClown]

Which horse (only?) ran in two different Breeder's Cup races at least twice?

Precisionist?

[KirisClown]

Only trainer to win 5 graded stakes races in 1 day at the same track?


3 grade 1
2 grade 3

Won 6 total the entire card

McGaughey, BC Preview Day 1993..

[TheEdge07]

McGaughey, BC Preview Day 1993..

Yep list the winners..

[KirisClown]

Yep list the winners..

Lure
Heavenly Prize
Regal Solution
Miner's Mark
Strolling Along
Dispute

[KirisClown]

Some Holy Bull trivia.. during his career Holy Bull went off as the betting favorite in 14 of his 16 starts..

Who are the only two horses bet to favoritism over Holy Bull?

[cj]

Precisionist?

Yep, two Sprints and two Classics, winning the Sprint once.

[cj]

Some Holy Bull trivia.. during his career Holy Bull went off as the betting favorite in 14 of his 16 starts..

Who are the only two horses bet to favoritism over Holy Bull?

I'm going to take a guess....Dehere and Go for Gin?

[KirisClown]

I'm going to take a guess....Dehere and Go for Gin?

Yup, good job CJ.. Dehere was favored in the Futurity, Go For Gin was favored in the Florida Derby.

[thespaah]

When is the last time the Meadowlands ran a dirt race? Hard to say its still in use.
Yeah, I was a bit shaky including that one.
We can delete it to make it 'official'.
Kind of a shame.
In the early days, that meeting was 100 days.
Ran from Labor Day to just before Christmas.
Had several stakes that over time earned graded status.
Saw some great horses there.
Breeders Cup killed that track's stakes program.

[SharpCat]

I knew this one instantly but maclr11 was here earlier in the day!!.. it is quite rare for two triple crown winners to run in the same race.. (i mean, was this the only instance it happened?)..

Oh and here is a question
Name the two horses that held the BC Classic time records in the last 20 years. After the first one set the speed record, the next one did not come around till 11 years if my math is right


Skip Away and Ghostzapper.

[HuggingTheRail]

read a few posts on this thread...go to YouTube....back to read a few more, then back to YouTube to watch races... great memories in this thread...

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm going to take a guess....Dehere and Go for Gin?I knew Dehere was one and I knew the Florida Derby was the other, but couldn't remember the horse in the Florida Derby....I'm getting old... :lol:

The two biggest marquee value bets I can recall personally cashing were Holy Bull in the Florida Derby (at 5-2 no less...still HUGE value), and Cigar in the NYRA Mile (he went off at 8-1 I believe)...

I left my friends behind in Atlantic City that Saturday morning to make sure I got to Aqueduct in time to bet Cigar, that's how much I loved him in that race. I think that might have been his second lifetime dirt race?

[appistappis]

name the horse who ran in the queens plate 6 times????

[Paseana]

Here's a breeding trivia question.

Who's the only stallion to date to sire two Breeders Cup winners from his first crop?

[SharpCat]

name the horse who ran in the queens plate 6 times????


Riley.

[SharpCat]

Here's a breeding trivia question.

Who's the only stallion to date to sire two Breeders Cup winners from his first crop?


Street Cry.

[cj]

I knew Dehere was one and I knew the Florida Derby was the other, but couldn't remember the horse in the Florida Derby....I'm getting old... :lol:

The two biggest marquee value bets I can recall personally cashing were Holy Bull in the Florida Derby (at 5-2 no less...still HUGE value), and Cigar in the NYRA Mile (he went off at 8-1 I believe)...

I left my friends behind in Atlantic City that Saturday morning to make sure I got to Aqueduct in time to bet Cigar, that's how much I loved him in that race. I think that might have been his second lifetime dirt race?

It was at least his 3rd. He broke his maiden on dirt in a very good race, but then was put on turf for some reason. He then won the allowance on dirt before the NYRA Mile.

Funny how you remember things like that. I remember I absolutely loved Skip Away in the Blue Grass, and remember the day well at Laurel with my brother and father. We were all happy that day. It think he was 9-2, and pretty sure the exacta with Louis Quatorze came back much bigger than expected for the odds.

Grindstone was beaten that day in LA by Zarb's Magic as well, and came back to take the Derby.

[cj]

Just looked it up, Cigar started his career with a loss and a win on dirt before moving to turf. He then spent the next year and a half running on turf with his only win coming in allowance race. He was finally moved back to dirt, and the rest is history.

[Paseana]

Street Cry.

Thanks for answering that so emphatically Sharp Cat. To tell the truth, I wasn't 100% sure that I was right on that, but I thought I'd take a chance that I was.

A lot of people get surprised by that when it's mentioned. I guess because Street Sense was a BC Juvenile and Kentucky Derby winner who's career was virtually over before Zenyatta ever raced. It's hard somehow to see them as being from the same crop.

Anyway, thanks again for confirming what I was pretty sure was right.

[GaryG]

As I remember(!) Vigors was a decent turfer before rain caused the San Marcos to come off the grass. He turned out to be a top class dirt performer with pushbutton acceleration and his performance in the Big Cap (1978?) was amazing. I did not know that he had died until I saw his grave when visiting Jonabell in the mid-90s.

[the little guy]

Just looked it up, Cigar started his career with a loss and a win on dirt before moving to turf. He then spent the next year and a half running on turf with his only win coming in allowance race. He was finally moved back to dirt, and the rest is history.

He had gotten big figs ( in the 90s I think ) in his early dirt races. Frankly, the switch made little sense.

[Valuist]

Which horse (only?) ran in two different Breeder's Cup races at least twice?

I saw the answer was Precisionist. I was going to guess Black Tie Affair. Not sure if he made 4 appearances.

[cj]

He had gotten big figs ( in the 90s I think ) in his early dirt races. Frankly, the switch made little sense.

His debut wasn't much, but the win was. The move to turf was weird, just based purely on breeding I think I've heard the connections say.

[cj]

I saw the answer was Precisionist. I was going to guess Black Tie Affair. Not sure if he made 4 appearances.

Two sprint tries with a third, then won the Classic.

[appistappis]

Riley.


nope.

[SharpCat]

nope.


I thought he ran in it from 1877-1882.

[SharpCat]

nope.


You are correct ho only ran in it 5 times. The correct answer is Time To Shine.

[nijinski]

He broke his leg and shoulder in a stakes race and was given up on .
Vets decisions were to put him down .
His insurance broker from England stepped up and purchased him for $250,000 and saved his life . :)
Though when he ran he looked like broken down horse ,this was his race
record ( 23 starts, 13 wins - $384,795 (in 1950's dollars! )

Racing fans have all heard of his famous son but who was he ?

[PaceAdvantage]

It was at least his 3rd. He broke his maiden on dirt in a very good race, but then was put on turf for some reason. He then won the allowance on dirt before the NYRA Mile.

Funny how you remember things like that. I remember I absolutely loved Skip Away in the Blue Grass, and remember the day well at Laurel with my brother and father. We were all happy that day. It think he was 9-2, and pretty sure the exacta with Louis Quatorze came back much bigger than expected for the odds.

Grindstone was beaten that day in LA by Zarb's Magic as well, and came back to take the Derby.Yeah, I was debating in my head whether it was his 2nd or 3rd career dirt start. Something was telling me 3rd but I stuck with 2nd and was too lazy to research it further...

Yes, it is funny how you remember almost everything about certain days and certain horses, even horses who weren't famous.

[appistappis]

You are correct ho only ran in it 5 times. The correct answer is Time To Shine.


you're in the right era but haven't named the right horse yet.

[nijinski]

you're in the right era but haven't named the right horse yet.
William Penn ?

[Broad Brush]

I believe his son was Kelso. His name was Your Host.
Good Question. I remember my father telling me that story when
I was 12 or so.

[SharpCat]

you're in the right era but haven't named the right horse yet.


I pullued up Time To Shines pp's via queensplate.info website and it show's him running in the Queens Plate 6 times 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 and 1964.

[SharpCat]

William Penn ?


William Penn ran in the Queen's Plate 5 times 1967, 1968 and 1969. He was retired in late 1969 but was a rig and not successful at stud. He came back and ran in the 1972 and 1973 Queen's Plate.

[nijinski]

I believe his son was Kelso. His name was Your Host.
Good Question. I remember my father telling me that story when
I was 12 or so.

Correct BB . Indeed for me , I was fascinated when I first read it . Always felt sorry for Kelso's sire ; plagued with problems since he was a foal
Who would have thought .
The Lloyds of London broker had quite a vision .

[appistappis]

the queens plate is for three year olds so you could not run in it more than once in modern times.....back befiore 1900 it was for maidens and a horse named fred henry tried it six times without success.

[SharpCat]

the queens plate is for three year olds so you could not run in it more than once in modern times.....back befiore 1900 it was for maidens and a horse named fred henry tried it six times without success.


Well i see there was some confusion. There is more than one Queen's Plate and I was looking at the one run in South Africa since it is 3yo and up.

[thespaah]

Precisionist?
4 starts. 2 Sprints with one win and two Classics with a 3rd.
1984 Classic 7th, 1985 sprint WIN...1986 Clsssic 3rd....1988 Sprint 7th

[nijinski]

the queens plate is for three year olds so you could not run in it more than once in modern times.....back befiore 1900 it was for maidens and a horse named fred henry tried it six times without success.

Before the 1900's it's no secret that the Plate had some ringers .
Then again who knows , this may have happened wherever racing
took place . .

[nijinski]

A Jock from the US purchases a modest priced US bred horse for a Canadian
owner and wins the Arc with him .

Who are the horse and jockey?

[SharpCat]

A Jock from the US purchases a modest priced US bred horse for a Canadian
owner and wins the Arc with him .

Who are the horse and jockey?


Suave Dancer ridden by Cash Asmussen.

[nijinski]

Suave Dancer ridden by Cash Asmussen.

Indeed it was Steve's bother .

[iceknight]

Skip Away and Ghostzapper. Absolutely and both were amazing races!! I feel that Skip Away's race was slightly better though.

[affirmedny]

Indeed it was Steve's bother .

In those days Steve was "Cash's brother". More trivia Steve was a jockey and rode in New York in the early 80's. Father Keith was a jockey too.

[nijinski]

In those days Steve was "Cash's brother". More trivia Steve was a jockey and rode in New York in the early 80's. Father Keith was a jockey too.

So true . newer fans have no idea who he is . Did he ever legally change back to his birth name Brian Keith?
Steve made a wise decision .

[iceknight]

As far as I can tell it went Cigar in 1995, Skip Away in 97 then Ghostzapper in 04
nice, I didnt realize that! :ThmbUp:

[RunForTheRoses]

This isn't trivia, more nostalgia. Anybody remeber this old NYRA war horse:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/onnagata

Silver Buck was another from that era, Psychosis from a little bit before that was a hard knocking veteran.

[RunForTheRoses]

Here's a trivia, this only stakes winner from the In Reality mare Landera, was interesting (at least to me), because he was god but unexceptional on the East Coast but flourished when sent out west to Craig Lewis. Late 80s.

[thespaah]

Here's a trivia, this only stakes winner from the In Reality mare Landera, was interesting (at least to me), because he was god but unexceptional on the East Coast but flourished when sent out west to Craig Lewis. Late 80s.
Cutlass Reality

[thespaah]

This isn't trivia, more nostalgia. Anybody remeber this old NYRA war horse:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/onnagata

Silver Buck was another from that era, Psychosis from a little bit before that was a hard knocking veteran.
This is kind of a tough picture to see detail, but this is Silver Buck...I think it was 1982. Marlboro Cup.

[thespaah]

This isn't trivia, more nostalgia. Anybody remeber this old NYRA war horse:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/onnagata

Silver Buck was another from that era, Psychosis from a little bit before that was a hard knocking veteran.
Ok..so the scanner blew it up....

[turninforhome10]

Derby Trivia- What Sire line is the only one to produce 3 successive generations of Derby winners. Sire- Grandsire- Great Grandsire?

[RunForTheRoses]

Cutlass Reality

Yes, I thought that was interesting back then, an Eats to West success story, at the time there were fairly many West to East ones, Sunday Silence and Lukas' juggernaut.

[RunForTheRoses]

In those days Steve was "Cash's brother". More trivia Steve was a jockey and rode in New York in the early 80's. Father Keith was a jockey too.

Steve was a jockey? Saw him give a leg up to Rosario at Saratoga this summer, he towered over him. Guess late growing genetics.

[RunForTheRoses]

This is kind of a tough picture to see detail, but this is Silver Buck...I think it was 1982. Marlboro Cup.

Yes, Silver was good one. I was actually thinking of old claimer Charming Buck. Silver had a much better resume.

[thespaah]

Yes, I thought that was interesting back then, an Eats to West success story, at the time there were fairly many West to East ones, Sunday Silence and Lukas' juggernaut.
Just to be on the level, I did not know the answer. I took the Dam's name, used a pedigree website, then looked up the Dam's progeny and figured it out when Cutlass Reality's name sort of jumped off the page.

[Paseana]

Derby Trivia- What Sire line is the only one to produce 3 successive generations of Derby winners. Sire- Grandsire- Great Grandsire?

This question really intrigued me. There's no pretending that I knew this without looking it up, so no gold star for me.

The only 3 generations of Derby winners I could find started with Reigh Count (1928 Derby) who sired Count Fleet (1943 Derby) who sired Count Turf (1951 Derby). The sire of Reigh Count was a stallion named Sunreigh....it takes 6 generations back tail-male from there to find a name that I'm even remotely familiar with....Voltigeur.

I didn't count them, but my guess is that there's probably about 6 Derby winners who have sired Derby winners (that's just a guess), but this was the only instance I could find of 3 generations of Derby winners.

Is there another that I missed?

Thanks for the question. That was fun. :)

[turninforhome10]

This question really intrigued me. There's no pretending that I knew this without looking it up, so no gold star for me.

The only 3 generations of Derby winners I could find started with Reigh Count (1928 Derby) who sired Count Fleet (1943 Derby) who sired Count Turf (1951 Derby). The sire of Reigh Count was a stallion named Sunreigh....it takes 6 generations back tail-male from there to find a name that I'm even remotely familiar with....Voltigeur.

I didn't count them, but my guess is that there's probably about 6 Derby winners who have sired Derby winners (that's just a guess), but this was the only instance I could find of 3 generations of Derby winners.

Is there another that I missed?

Thanks for the question. That was fun. :)
You are exactly correct. This is the only instance.

Here is a real hard one. What Derby was the first one to be broadcast on Radio and who was the winner?

[RacingFan1992]

Flying Ebony in the 1925.

What horse broke a stakes record 23 years after his death?

[OntheRail]

What horse broke a stakes record 23 years after his death?

Secretariat (The Preakness Stakes)

[thespaah]

Secretariat (The Preakness Stakes)
Yep....They went back and looked at a whole bunch of stuff and it was determined the teletimer was off by a bit.

[OntheRail]

What other animal is commonly found stabled at race tracks and the phase attributed to them?

[nijinski]

What other animal is commonly found stabled at race tracks and the phase attributed to them?

Get your goat /?

Seen many barn cats too , can't really stable them though . lol .

[OntheRail]

Get your goat /?

Seen many barn cats too , can't really stable them though . lol .

"O" so close... :D

You don't own a cat, they own you... ;)

[nijinski]

Get your goat /?

Seen many barn cats too , can't really stable them though . lol .

That would maybe be donkey .

[OntheRail]

That would maybe be donkey .
No... you got really close in your first try. ;)

[thespaah]

"O" so close... :D

You don't own a cat, they own you... ;)
Dogs have masters.....Cats have staff.

[iceknight]

Question to mods:
Can the other Trivia thread: http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108538&highlight=trivia

be merged with this one?

Also.. is it possible to make the trivia thread a "Sticky" ?

Also a trivia question:
Name (the) two horses that have won the Met Mile twice. Hint: Their names begin with consecutive letters of the alphabet.

[SharpCat]

Question to mods:
Can the other Trivia thread: http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108538&highlight=trivia

be merged with this one?

Also.. is it possible to make the trivia thread a "Sticky" ?

Also a trivia question:
Name (the) two horses that have won the Met Mile twice. Hint: Their names begin with consecutive letters of the alphabet.


There have actually been five horses to win the Met Mile twice.

Mad Hatter 1921 and 1922
Equipoise 1932, 1933 and won in 1934 but was disqualified
Stymie 1947 and 1948
Forego 1976 and 1977
Gulch 1987 and 1988

[Ocala Mike]

The two in "modern" times were Forego and Gulch.

[RacingFan1992]

Wow. I forgot this thread existed. I couldn't believe how many pages it got. Here is one.
Name the three horses who have owner become the first of their kind to be admitted into the Jockey Club. Name the horses as well as the owners.

[iceknight]

There have actually been five horses to win the Met Mile twice.

Mad Hatter 1921 and 1922
Equipoise 1932, 1933 and won in 1934 but was disqualified
Stymie 1947 and 1948
Forego 1976 and 1977
Gulch 1987 and 1988 Nice one SC (and ocalamike). I was relying on Equibase Met Mile history so i could nt go too far back! Thanks for the other winners!! :)

[PaceAdvantage]

Question to mods:
Can the other Trivia thread: http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108538&highlight=trivia

be merged with this one?

Also.. is it possible to make the trivia thread a "Sticky" ?

Also a trivia question:
Name (the) two horses that have won the Met Mile twice. Hint: Their names begin with consecutive letters of the alphabet.They could be merged but then the "other" thread would be the dominant one (and thus the first post in the thread would be from the "other" thread because it was created at an earlier date than this one).

I'm not sure that's such a great idea.

[Mystic]

Can you name all the jockey's in this picture? 1975 Aqueduct jocks room. :)

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31/1559326_10151960427429426_41521563_o.jpg

[iceknight]

Guy with right hand on chin while sitting (with left hand in crotch).. is that Angel Cordero Jr?
I cannot identify anybody really lol!

[SharpCat]

Sitting on the couch Ron Turcotte, Kevin Whitley, John Cruguet and A. Corderro

[Track Collector]

Name this North American racing venue that holds a single day of unsanctioned, pari-mutuel thoroughbred racing each year. Bonus question: Name the date held each year. Unsanctioned means the races from this venue are not recognized by the DRF and thus no PPs will show up in print, nor will their charts be recorded by equibase.


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[RacingFan1992]

Sitting on the couch Ron Turcotte, Kevin Whitley, John Cruguet and A. Corderro

OMG I really want to know who these guys are. The funny thing is that the 15 jockeys put together on a good day still would weigh less than Forego in the 76 Marlboro.

[SharpCat]

Name this North American racing venue that holds a single day of unsanctioned, pari-mutuel thoroughbred racing each year. Bonus question: Name the date held each year. Unsanctioned means the races from this venue are not recognized by the DRF and thus no PPs will show up in print, nor will their charts be recorded by equibase.


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Fair Hill 4th saturday in May.

[affirmedny]

I think it's Helidorio Gustines standing near the center with the pool cue.

[Ocala Mike]

Was going to say Ocala Training Center, but I guess it's "sanctioned," and it's a different day each year (usually late winter).

[Mystic]

OMG I really want to know who these guys are. The funny thing is that the 15 jockeys put together on a good day still would weigh less than Forego in the 76 Marlboro.

Here's a reply on the TVG Facebok page.

https://www.facebook.com/TVGNetwork

Daryl Montoya Gustines Jorge Tiejara, in street clothes Valets Cliff Garvey and Billy Wright John Ruane Jorge Velasquez Jaime Arellano Ron Turcotte Kevin Whitley John Cruguet Angel Cordero JR. Jose Amy on the Ping pong table.The rider behind Montoya is Bobby Pineda.

[OntheRail]

Name the Triple Crown Winner to not win Horse of the Year, along with the name of horse that beat 'em out of it?

[Overlay]

Name the Triple Crown Winner to not win Horse of the Year, along with the name of horse that beat 'em out of it?
Omaha lost the award to Discovery in 1935.

[tucker6]

Omaha lost the award to Discovery in 1935.
no fair. You're a professional trivia guy. :D

[OntheRail]

Omaha lost the award to Discovery in 1935.
That is correct... however you did not phase your answer as a question... ;) .

[Track Collector]

Fair Hill 4th saturday in May.

Not the place I had in mind. Not sure, but I think I have seen Fair Hill PPs in the DRF before.


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[Track Collector]

Name this North American racing venue that holds a single day of unsanctioned, pari-mutuel thoroughbred racing each year. Bonus question: Name the date held each year. Unsanctioned means the races from this venue are not recognized by the DRF and thus no PPs will show up in print, nor will their charts be recorded by equibase.


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Additional clarifications: These were Flat races (i.e. no jump/steeplechase) and no hunt meets. Date held = particular time of year, and not necessarily same "date".


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[Track Collector]

Was going to say Ocala Training Center, but I guess it's "sanctioned," and it's a different day each year (usually late winter).

OTC is also non-betting. They have talked about changing it, and it they do, it will promptly be added to my visit list. :)


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[PhantomOnTour]

OTC is also non-betting. They have talked about changing it, and it they do, it will promptly be added to my visit list. :)


.
They have

[rastajenk]

Name this North American racing venue that holds a single day of unsanctioned, pari-mutuel thoroughbred racing each year. Bonus question: Name the date held each year. Unsanctioned means the races from this venue are not recognized by the DRF and thus no PPs will show up in print, nor will their charts be recorded by equibase. ...
My first thought was Van Wert County Fair on Labor Day, but then I figured, there could be many fair events that fit that description.


So my next guess is the Aiken (SC) Trials.

[Track Collector]

My first thought was Van Wert County Fair on Labor Day, but then I figured, there could be many fair events that fit that description.


So my next guess is the Aiken (SC) Trials.

We have a winner!! Van Wert County fair is it.

They run harness races during that week, but then have a flats racing day each Labor Day Monday. I'm not aware of any other fairs that meet the trivia criteria, particularly with the "pari-mutuel" wagering requirement. Some places have something called calcutta/auction bidding, but I have never quite understood how that works. To date regarding all those jump meets like Aiken, is seems only Fair Hill his pari-mutuel wagering.

Van Wert was an interesting wagering proposition. The racing program consisted of important information like horse's name, race number and distance, owner's name, and trainer's name. No statistics and past performance running lines, but you could watch the tote board. :eek::D After the racing had already begun, a scratch reduced a field in one race from 4 horses to 3. No problem........they simply replaced it with a horse from a not run race originally scheduled to have 6 horses to balance things out. Because the track was normally used for harness races, the thoroughbred races had an inside rail consisting of pylons. This particular racing day included an exhibition chuckwagon race.

A neat and unique experience nonetheless. I ended the day on the plus side, but it was certainly due to luck more than anything else.

Darn those OH residents....I though this trivia question would be a stumper. :ThmbUp:


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[Track Collector]

They have

WOW. How did I miss that OTC had wagering on live races?

Is this the first year they have done so? After looking at the Equibase charts it looks like wagering was only allowed on races 1 and 2 (out of 5 scheduled races). This looks kind of odd. Why not allow it on all 5 races?

I know OTC was looking at the possibility of a longer meet with pari-mutuel wagering. Any progress/plans for that still in process?


Chris

[rastajenk]

:jump: :jump:

So, Mr. Collector, you really think Van Wert is unique? It certainly is around here; is it the one-day part of it that makes it so? I know some people who participate in it, and they enjoy it: exercise riders, fringe jockeys, some trainers who can skip Labor Day at River or Indiana...And people come out of the woodwork to attend it. I've never witnessed it myself. I was able to attend some harness fairs last year (one was Darke Co., a biggie), and the local support was surprising.

Not to misdirect the thread too much, but when people talk (or more likely, post) about contraction, I wonder if they think much about the horses and their people that will be in the game at those lower levels. Racing horses will always exist at some level. I know about bush tracks in La, TX, Ga... and I saw fairs in Arizona 25 years ago...I'm sure they exist many other places. And people come out and bet on them, live. "Income inequality" has always been part of the game, always will, I suppose. But the egalitarianism evident is horse racing has always been a plus factor for me, and why I usually advocate for the smaller venues around here.

Back to trivia.....

:ThmbUp:

[Ocala Mike]

WOW. How did I miss that OTC had wagering on live races?

Is this the first year they have done so?




I believe this is the second year that limited wagering was available. It's done to meet state requirements to keep their license going. Nothing material in the wind that I know of to run a meeting there, but there are always rumors.

The turnout for the live races this year was quite impressive.

Incidentally, mangement in the office at the ITW is changing hands again. Too soon to tell if it's for the better (or bettor!).

[andtheyreoff]

We have a winner!! Van Wert County fair is it.

They run harness races during that week, but then have a flats racing day each Labor Day Monday. I'm not aware of any other fairs that meet the trivia criteria, particularly with the "pari-mutuel" wagering requirement. Some places have something called calcutta/auction bidding, but I have never quite understood how that works. To date regarding all those jump meets like Aiken, is seems only Fair Hill his pari-mutuel wagering.

Van Wert was an interesting wagering proposition. The racing program consisted of important information like horse's name, race number and distance, owner's name, and trainer's name. No statistics and past performance running lines, but you could watch the tote board. :eek::D After the racing had already begun, a scratch reduced a field in one race from 4 horses to 3. No problem........they simply replaced it with a horse from a not run race originally scheduled to have 6 horses to balance things out. Because the track was normally used for harness races, the thoroughbred races had an inside rail consisting of pylons. This particular racing day included an exhibition chuckwagon race.

A neat and unique experience nonetheless. I ended the day on the plus side, but it was certainly due to luck more than anything else.

Darn those OH residents....I though this trivia question would be a stumper. :ThmbUp:


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Here's a video of the action from 2013. Looks like good stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UisjBeF5HjA

[Redboard]

Ignore this if it has already been asked. I looked through several of these trivia pages and didn't see it.

Beholder won the 2013 Eclipse Award for 3-year-old female. She also won the 2012 Eclipse Award as champion 2-year-old filly. If she wins an award this year, 2014, she will have been only the second female, and the seventh horse overall, to win a year-end title at two, three and four.

Who are the other six(one female, five males)?

If you only have one, that's OK. Let's hear it.

[Grits]

Affirmed
Slew
Spectacular Bid
Whirlaway
Citation
Native Dancer
Buckpasser

A few--with the knowledge that the Eclipse Awards weren't named as such until the 70s. Still, these, each, won the award in the three categories you named. ... Of course, there could be others.

[RacingFan1992]

Cicada was the only filly to be name champion in her 2, 3, and 4 year old year. When she won champion older mare it was actually called "Champion Female Handicap Horse" or "Champion Handicap Mare" which was open to any female horse. There were a few mares that won champion at two and three and also champion handicap mare at three but I believe Cicada was the only one that had progressive awards from two to four. You gotta typo Grits its Seattle Slew.

[Redboard]

Citation did not run as a 4 year old, but all of the others are correct. (Buckpasser slipped my mind, he did share an award at four with Damascus )

[Grits]

Citation did not run as a 4 year old, but all of the others are correct. (Buckpasser slipped my mind, he did share an award at four with Damascus )

This stuff is easily found. The TC winners I felt pretty sure about, the others I had to search. ;)

The Daily Racing Form version was open to any horse, three years old and up and this award was given to some Champions at the age of three, such as Citation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation_%28horse%29), Buckpasser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckpasser), Damascus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_%28horse%29) and Arts and Letters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arts_and_Letters). The Daily Racing Form, the Thoroughbred Racing Associations, and the National Turf Writers Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Turf_Writers_Association) all joined forces in 1971 to create the Eclipse Award.

[RacingFan1992]

Speaking of Citation, what was the only race that Citation ever finished out of the money also who was the only TC winner who did not finish out of the money in their career from maiden to farewell?

[SharpCat]

Speaking of Citation, what was the only race that Citation ever finished out of the money also who was the only TC winner who did not finish out of the money in their career from maiden to farewell?


Premiere Handicap.

[SharpCat]

Speaking of Citation, what was the only race that Citation ever finished out of the money also who was the only TC winner who did not finish out of the money in their career from maiden to farewell?


Count Fleet.

[Track Collector]

This thoroughbred track had a 28-year gap between racing seasons. Bonus question: Name the years.


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[Redboard]

This thoroughbred track had a 28-year gap between racing seasons. Bonus question: Name the years.
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Without googling, im going to guess Hialeah?

[Track Collector]

Without googling, im going to guess Hialeah?

Hialeah was only down for something like 10 years. Thoroughbreds last raced there I believe in 2001. I can remember whether this is the 2nd or 3rd year they have been running QH races. Their current racing license allows them to run a 50/50 split of QH and TB races, but of course they would have to work something out with Gulfstream Park and Calder in order to have any chance of success.


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[andtheyreoff]

This thoroughbred track had a 28-year gap between racing seasons. Bonus question: Name the years.


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Brockton Fair, in Massachusetts. Last raced in 1972, save for one season in 2001.

[RacingFan1992]

I am looking for some information of passed winners of the eclipse awards.

Who were the finalists for champion 2 year old filly in 1974?
The finalists for champion 2 year old colt in 1974?
The finalists for champion 3 year old filly in 1975?
The finalists for champion 3 year old colt in 1975?
If possible I would like to see how many votes each horse got.

[Track Collector]

Brockton Fair, in Massachusetts. Last raced in 1972, save for one season in 2001.

Good Job andtheyreoff!!

The one season in 2001 allowed me to get Brockton on my visit list. They are still kicking around the idea of running again, but currently they are looking at harness racing, and it would be contingent upon securing a gaming license.


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[turninforhome10]

You are exactly correct. This is the only instance.

Here is a real hard one. What Derby was the first one to be broadcast on Radio and who was the winner?
I stand corrected here. There is one more Derby Triple from Horse- Sire-Grandsire. It is a tough one? :bang:

[RacingFan1992]

The first is:
Reigh Count 1928
Count Fleet 1943
Count Turf 1951

The second is:
Pensive (1944)
Ponder (1949)
Needels (1956)

[turninforhome10]

The first is:
Reigh Count 1928
Count Fleet 1943
Count Turf 1951

The second is:
Pensive (1944)
Ponder (1949)
Needels (1956)
You make it look easy.

[Redboard]

Affirmed
Slew
Spectacular Bid
Whirlaway
Citation
Native Dancer
Buckpasser

A few--with the knowledge that the Eclipse Awards weren't named as such until the 70s. Still, these, each, won the award in the three categories you named. ... Of course, there could be others.




Forgot to mention Hill Prince (1949, 1950, 1951). Half-brother to Cicada.

[RacingFan1992]

Nice Fact Checking

[KirisClown]

Here's some trivia.. what's wrong with this Gallery of Champions eBay listing?

eBay Item (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Paradise-Creek-1993-Dixie-Handicap-Photo-8x10/370140703722?_trksid=p2046732.m2060&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3 D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D5073925020135384068%26pid%3 D100040%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D151 238747125%26)

[PhantomOnTour]

Wrong year - Paradise Creek won that race in 1994, not 1993.

[KirisClown]

Wrong year - Paradise Creek won that race in 1994, not 1993.

Yup, good call..

[RacingFan1992]

Name all 61 horses who won the Kentucky Derby but did not start in the Preakness Stakes? From 1875 to current.