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gncotton
11-26-2013, 05:45 PM
Hello, I'm from Texas, I was a player with Twin Spires for many years. Texas came up with a new court ruling - because of this ruling Twin Spires cancelled my account. Does anyone no of a off shore or race book account I could set up? I'm looking for one that is reliable and doesn't have bad reviews. Is any one familiar with, Wager7.EU

chadk66
11-26-2013, 08:00 PM
Hello, I'm from Texas, I was a player with Twin Spires for many years. Texas came up with a new court ruling - because of this ruling Twin Spires cancelled my account. Does anyone no of a off shore or race book account I could set up? I'm looking for one that is reliable and doesn't have bad reviews. Is any one familiar with, Wager7.EU
how do they prevent you from doing this? when you register you use a TX address?

gncotton
11-26-2013, 08:44 PM
I's all about this new court ruling Texas came up with, saying if you live in Texas you can not wager ONLINE in the U.S. Twin Spires says there fighting it but its not going to happen, there fighting the state.

Robert Goren
11-26-2013, 09:44 PM
how do they prevent you from doing this? when you register you use a TX address?Texas passed a law making it illegal for Texans to bet a horse race online. Twinspires challenged the law in court and lost.

antigeekess
11-26-2013, 09:54 PM
Thanks for the info. One more good reason to NOT move back to Texas.

Rick Perry can kiss my Texpatriate suntanned SoCal ass.

antigeekess
11-26-2013, 10:09 PM
OTOH, maybe this is one thing that's not Huckleberry Perry's fault after all:

"The suit was filed last fall after the Texas Racing Commission began enforcing a state law that requires all wagering on horse races by Texas residents to be placed in person."
http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/story/_/id/9720699/twinspirescom-suspends-taking-bets-texas

Geezus. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Do they actually think they're going to 'force' people to come to the track instead of just blowing horse racing off altogether and doing something else?

precocity
11-27-2013, 09:43 AM
Hello, I'm from Texas, I was a player with Twin Spires for many years. Texas came up with a new court ruling - because of this ruling Twin Spires cancelled my account. Does anyone no of a off shore or race book account I could set up? I'm looking for one that is reliable and doesn't have bad reviews. Is any one familiar with, Wager7.EU

just go to the adw fourm all this is old news.

Robert Goren
11-27-2013, 12:11 PM
OTOH, maybe this is one thing that's not Huckleberry Perry's fault after all:

"The suit was filed last fall after the Texas Racing Commission began enforcing a state law that requires all wagering on horse races by Texas residents to be placed in person."
http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/story/_/id/9720699/twinspirescom-suspends-taking-bets-texas

Geezus. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Do they actually think they're going to 'force' people to come to the track instead of just blowing horse racing off altogether and doing something else?It is the kind of logic that Texas is famous for. "Ma" Ferguson, where are you? Texas needs you.

gncotton
11-27-2013, 05:01 PM
Robert, I agree with you 100 percent. I've played the horses for the last 14 years and I'm suppose to just drop one of the things I love. Its not going to happen.

chadk66
11-27-2013, 08:04 PM
how do they know? track IP addresses? if so why not use a proxy server?

Robert Goren
11-28-2013, 06:14 AM
how do they know? track IP addresses? if so why not use a proxy server?Texas knows everything. There is hiding from the long arm of Texas law. :rolleyes:
Twinspires is not the villain here. They are expected to take all measures possible to prevent Texans from wagering on their site. They will be the prosecuted and they realize it. How desperate are you that you are willing to trick to somebody into breaking the law in order to get a bet down.

Longshot6977
11-28-2013, 10:29 AM
how do they know? track IP addresses? if so why not use a proxy server?

They probably do track IP addresses.

FYI: I live in NJ and they just started online casino games wagering 2 days ago. Hurray for NJ. One of the requirements at BetFairCasino.com is:

"A wifi adapter must be installed and turned on at all times in order to be able to play on our site. Betfair Casino detects your location by locating nearby wifi hotspots in order to determine that you are located in New Jersey. In order to enable us to do this, you need a wifi adapter installed and switched on."

You also have to download their "location detection software" app.The location detection plugin is a piece of software downloaded within your browser which allows them to pinpoint your location using your wireless internet connection. It even says if you live on the borders, you may be denied service.

Maybe this was also a requirement in Texas?

judd
11-28-2013, 11:11 AM
Hello, I'm from Texas, I was a player with Twin Spires for many years. Texas came up with a new court ruling - because of this ruling Twin Spires cancelled my account. Does anyone no of a off shore or race book account I could set up? I'm looking for one that is reliable and doesn't have bad reviews. Is any one familiar with, Wager7.EU


heritage

hogoffate
11-28-2013, 11:05 PM
Twinspires is suppose to appeal to the federal 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. According the articles, they are optimistic about over turning the ruling.
I checked the upcoming docket for the 5th Circuit Court and the hearing for the appeal is not on the docket yet. I would guess that it would be Jan/Feb at the earliest before it is heard. Sure hope it gets reversed. Pretty ridiculous for the TRC to come up with this. It won't help the state of racing in Texas.

FiveWide
11-28-2013, 11:54 PM
Twinspires is suppose to appeal to the federal 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. According the articles, they are optimistic about over turning the ruling.

Texan here. Mind linking some of these articles where TS is optimistic please. Google is not being kind to me.


thx,
-Five

ranchwest
11-30-2013, 03:03 PM
I have been making a profit nearly every time I go out to Lone Star Park, but the employees are so obnoxious that I seldom go. The last time I went was two weeks ago and things had not changed. The Concierge (or whatever his title) was very rude and attempted to scold me for not telling him my address had changed. I quickly let him know that they send mail to my house, so my address must be in the computer somewhere. This sort of thing happens nearly every time I go there.

So, Texas won't let me bet online and LSP doesn't want my business. Go figure.

Robert Goren
11-30-2013, 04:01 PM
Twinspires is suppose to appeal to the federal 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. According the articles, they are optimistic about over turning the ruling.
I checked the upcoming docket for the 5th Circuit Court and the hearing for the appeal is not on the docket yet. I would guess that it would be Jan/Feb at the earliest before it is heard. Sure hope it gets reversed. Pretty ridiculous for the TRC to come up with this. It won't help the state of racing in Texas.maybe Jan/Feb 2015:rolleyes: The courts are really back up.

Vigorish
11-30-2013, 04:17 PM
I have been making a profit nearly every time I go out to Lone Star Park, but the employees are so obnoxious that I seldom go. The last time I went was two weeks ago and things had not changed. The Concierge (or whatever his title) was very rude and attempted to scold me for not telling him my address had changed. I quickly let him know that they send mail to my house, so my address must be in the computer somewhere. This sort of thing happens nearly every time I go there.

So, Texas won't let me bet online and LSP doesn't want my business. Go figure.

Having worked in both the casino and racing industry (in several different capacities), I have noticed a distinct difference in how patrons are treated at the race track and casino. My belief is that it boils down to training, which probably reflects attitudinal differences in how management views its customers.

In the casino business, we are told to refer to patrons as 'guests' and make them feel like valued family members. The idea is to establish rapport, which is the foundation of positive social interactions. Letting customers know they are valued is a simple, inexpensive way of cultivating a lasting positive relationship. People who have bad experiences won't come back, will find alternative casinos or entertainment venues, and invariably warn their friends.

By way of comparison, nobody ever gave me instructions on how to treat the customers who rolled into the simulcast facility. The basic skill set was technical proficiency and following various regulations. The guest was more or less invisible. An interesting exercise is to compare your personal experience with a casino and race track. Hell, you might even notice a distinct difference in how you're treated on the premises of a racino, depending on whether you wander into the track or casino area. One could argue that part of the difference is related to racing being a parimutuel game. Thus, they have lower margins and can't afford to cultivate good will with things like hosts and generous rebates. Furthermore, the track could view itself as a mere intermediary in an impersonal transaction. Finally, generous subsidies and simulcast revenue undermine the importance of the customer to a track's success.

Admittedly, I have seen several counterexamples where race tracks demonstrate exceptional customer service. In particular, I would give Keeneland and Del Mar high marks. Interestingly, neither track has casino operations.

hogoffate
12-26-2013, 05:19 PM
Sorry its taken so late to reply, heres a link to the article about TS being optimistic.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/80867/twinspirescom-suspends-taking-bets-in-texas

Also saw where arguments will be TENTATIVELY heard on February 3.
Hopefully Twinspires "wins" in time to play the last half of Oaklawn. Link below

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/horsebiz/2013/12/23/catching-up-2013-churchill-downs-inc-appeals-adw-case-loss-from-texas-federal-court/

Robert Goren
12-26-2013, 05:29 PM
Sorry its taken so late to reply, heres a link to the article about TS being optimistic.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/80867/twinspirescom-suspends-taking-bets-in-texas

Also saw where arguments will be TENTATIVELY heard on February 3.
Hopefully Twinspires "wins" in time to play the last half of Oaklawn. Link below

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/horsebiz/2013/12/23/catching-up-2013-churchill-downs-inc-appeals-adw-case-loss-from-texas-federal-court/ A word of warning, they were optimistic before the first decision. I don't see how they can win. There a lot of states that ban online betting and none of their laws have been thrown out. We are probably at 0 and 25 and counting on court challenges to those laws.

hogoffate
12-26-2013, 05:33 PM
What else could they say but to be "optimistic" if they were going to appeal. I think it will be interesting. I'm not optimistic, but sure am hopeful.

I can't believe Texas Racing Commission is not even trying to get some money by not allowing online wagering.

GarlandTex
12-30-2013, 01:38 PM
You can go to Bet America and bet since they ask you where you are located the day you are wagering. However, you still will not be able to wager in NY or Cali.

Topcat
01-22-2014, 04:11 AM
If you didn't find a good ADW offshore I'd
suggest Ehorse.com.
Its not flashy but has been around since 2001, pays rebates 5% to 8% and I've found them reliable. I don't bet big amounts with them because they are still a non pari-mutuel offshore but for a few $s. Good luck!

hogoffate
02-01-2014, 10:25 PM
Arguments scheduled for 2PM this Tuesday 2/4. both sides get 20 minutes to give their position to the court.

Let's hope the judges are horseplayers, haha

Lasix67
02-01-2014, 10:49 PM
Really hope something gives. It's a damn shame as an adult you can't place a wager online in any state that has tracks in it.

Mystic
02-01-2014, 11:52 PM
Going to keep my fingers and toes crossed something gives.

precocity
02-02-2014, 07:53 AM
cant beleive the texas horseman dont want a cut out of this? I bet if they fought to get a bigger cut out of texas players to bet on texas tracks they would? dumb asses!!!!

Track Phantom
02-04-2014, 11:01 AM
Arguments scheduled for 2PM this Tuesday 2/4. both sides get 20 minutes to give their position to the court.

Let's hope the judges are horseplayers, haha

What is Twin Spires position? Is there any chance this goes in a positive direction?

Mystic
02-04-2014, 02:45 PM
Arguments scheduled for 2PM this Tuesday 2/4. both sides get 20 minutes to give their position to the court.

Let's hope the judges are horseplayers, haha

Where did you find this out?

Mystic
02-04-2014, 11:39 PM
Well? Any word yet on the outcome today?

hogoffate
02-06-2014, 09:08 PM
I checked out the docket for the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.
According to the clerk, decisions are usually given approximately 30 days after arguments heard
Site: http://http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/clerk/calendar/1402/27.htm
Case is referred to as:
Churchill Downs Inc., Et Al., Appellants vs. Chuck Trout, Etc., Et Al.

Good luck to us all

Mystic
02-06-2014, 11:44 PM
I checked out the docket for the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.
According to the clerk, decisions are usually given approximately 30 days after arguments heard
Site: http://http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/clerk/calendar/1402/27.htm
Case is referred to as:
Churchill Downs Inc., Et Al., Appellants vs. Chuck Trout, Etc., Et Al.

Good luck to us all

o.k.. Hope to hear some good news then in 30 days. One can always have hope right?

mikep
02-07-2014, 10:12 AM
I couldn't get the above link to work. Try the following:

https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/default.aspx

The docket number is 13-50900. If you go to the Oral Argument Recordings page you can listen to the court discussion.

Lasix67
02-07-2014, 11:23 AM
Very interesting arguments made by Churchill Downs attorney. I think there is a good chance for something positive to come from this especially with regards to Cherry Hill decision and discrimination toward Churchill Downs due to the fact they are an out of state businesses as opposed to being in the state of Texas. I wonder why Churchill just doesn't setup a betting hub within the state of Texas?

jlhill
02-18-2014, 12:47 PM
They can't just "set up a betting hub" in the state of Texas. The Texas racing lobby in all of its wisdom has not pursued getting OTB's or any kind of options for people to bet through such as ADW's, OTB's or any other thing to expand business in Texas you can think of. Why you ask ? They are so focused on trying to get slots passed, which is never going to happen, that they don't even try any real alternatives to generate more business. Instead the racing commission has tried to force bettors to the tracks so they can get their little cut and survive another few years as a commission. Once again the last person anybody considers in this is the bettors, the group that should matter the most. I would say that most of that money that was bet through Twinspires is now offshore where nobody gets a cut. I feel that all Texas racetracks are hanging by a thread and once they are gone so is the Racing Commission.

Mystic
02-18-2014, 02:35 PM
They can't just "set up a betting hub" in the state of Texas. The Texas racing lobby in all of its wisdom has not pursued getting OTB's or any kind of options for people to bet through such as ADW's, OTB's or any other thing to expand business in Texas you can think of. Why you ask ? They are so focused on trying to get slots passed, which is never going to happen, that they don't even try any real alternatives to generate more business. Instead the racing commission has tried to force bettors to the tracks so they can get their little cut and survive another few years as a commission. Once again the last person anybody considers in this is the bettors, the group that should matter the most. I would say that most of that money that was bet through Twinspires is now offshore where nobody gets a cut. I feel that all Texas racetracks are hanging by a thread and once they are gone so is the Racing Commission.

Hear hear!

Unfortunately you are spot on and I could foresee that happening within
5 yrs. Not sure how Sam Houston is even still surviving. So many Texas breeders have bailed out due to the low purses and most ship to Oklahoma or Louisiana now days.

hogoffate
02-23-2014, 10:29 PM
I've been checking the court side pretty regular for th decision. I have to say I'm not optimistic at all because I've only seen maybe 1 decision reversed.

Pretty frustrated with the TRC and politicians

Mystic
02-24-2014, 12:10 AM
I've been checking the court side pretty regular for th decision. I have to say I'm not optimistic at all because I've only seen maybe 1 decision reversed.

Pretty frustrated with the TRC and politicians

Dang it! :mad:

GarlandTex
03-01-2014, 12:22 AM
They can't just "set up a betting hub" in the state of Texas. The Texas racing lobby in all of its wisdom has not pursued getting OTB's or any kind of options for people to bet through such as ADW's, OTB's or any other thing to expand business in Texas you can think of. Why you ask ? They are so focused on trying to get slots passed, which is never going to happen, that they don't even try any real alternatives to generate more business. Instead the racing commission has tried to force bettors to the tracks so they can get their little cut and survive another few years as a commission. Once again the last person anybody considers in this is the bettors, the group that should matter the most. I would say that most of that money that was bet through Twinspires is now offshore where nobody gets a cut. I feel that all Texas racetracks are hanging by a thread and once they are gone so is the Racing Commission.

I think slots may happen sooner then you think... I have spoken to several management types at Lone Star Park who think it is close.... now defining "close" is another matter...

hacklimit
03-02-2014, 05:47 PM
I think slots may happen sooner then you think... I have spoken to several management types at Lone Star Park who think it is close.... now defining "close" is another matter...

I heard this too. In 2001, 2002, 2003...

precocity
03-03-2014, 01:15 AM
:sleeping: :sleeping: sorry this sucks just go back to the track? If it is to far stop betting until you can. I CANT BET OFF SHORE because the way I bet I am not going to jump threw hoops to get my money back!!!!now I am about 35 min from lone star no problem's here just want my TS back!! but have to admit since I have been back to lone star I have been tearing them up? and good luck with that slot thing going on.

Cholly
03-10-2014, 01:45 PM
35 days & counting...could be like the "Inquiry" sign flashing: the longer it drags on, the more likely the State-of-Texas-horse gets taken down.

Robert Goren
03-10-2014, 03:11 PM
35 days & counting...could be like the "Inquiry" sign flashing: the longer it drags on, the more likely the State-of-Texas-horse gets taken down.Sorry to say that not been experience with court cases although 35 days is nothing when wait the results.

Mr Saratoga
03-11-2014, 01:22 AM
Fingers crossed. Why don't they realize that if I wager on a California track, or a New York track they lose nothing.
I haven't wagered on a track in Texas for years.

hogoffate
03-13-2014, 11:06 AM
I listened to the oral arguments and one of the judges seemed to grill the state of Texas attorney more than the Churchill Downs one. Of course I'm biased and have no law degree (although I do watch Law and Order a lot) I liked CD's argument and listening to the oral arguments, I think we do have a shot at winning. Fingers crossed and still waiting with hope.

Robert Goren
03-13-2014, 11:21 AM
I listened to the oral arguments and one of the judges seemed to grill the state of Texas attorney more than the Churchill Downs one. Of course I'm biased and have no law degree (although I do watch Law and Order a lot) I liked CD's argument and listening to the oral arguments, I think we do have a shot at winning. Fingers crossed and still waiting with hope.Good luck. I would be a bit more optimistic if someplace sometime somebody had gotten one of these laws overturned. It is not like Texas is the first place to have one.

GarlandTex
03-14-2014, 04:53 PM
I tweeted twinspires a couple days ago and they said they expected a ruling by the Kentucky Derby... fingers crossed.

Cholly
03-19-2014, 01:12 PM
The inquiry light is still blinking...

GarlandTex
03-19-2014, 06:04 PM
The inquiry light is still blinking...

Well inquiry is hopefully a good sign... in this case, Objection would be bad..

Cholly
05-08-2014, 03:14 PM
I tweeted twinspires a couple days ago and they said they expected a ruling by the Kentucky Derby... fingers crossed.

The inquiry light is STILL on...gives one hope.

It won't do me any good as the moving van shows up tomorrow--Cholly won't be picking cotton on Governor Perry's Farm no more! But it would be nice for the friends I leave behind.

Appy
05-08-2014, 03:39 PM
Good luck with the move cholly.

Track Phantom
05-08-2014, 08:19 PM
Dark Horse Bet, my only real option here, is shutting down on Monday. Thus, I'm back to square one.

Is there any real hope of this being overturned?

hogoffate
05-11-2014, 10:35 PM
I still check the opinions page issued by the court every day. Right now the case numbers are getting very close to the case number we care about,
13-50900.
I have read briefs by both sides and listened to the oral arguments by both sides twice.

Twinspire's argument is that Texas law discriminates out of state businesses from conducting business in the state of Texas in a business that Texas is participating in. The State of Texas argues that since the law only allows wagering at a track in Texas no one is being discriminated against since no company can accept an internet wager in the state of Texas.

There are a couple of cases that seem to back up CD's argument and one of the judges even admitted so during oral arguments.

Still waiting and hoping the judges are horseplayers…..

precocity
05-11-2014, 10:50 PM
I still check the opinions page issued by the court every day. Right now the case numbers are getting very close to the case number we care about,
13-50900.
I have read briefs by both sides and listened to the oral arguments by both sides twice.

Twinspire's argument is that Texas law discriminates out of state businesses from conducting business in the state of Texas in a business that Texas is participating in. The State of Texas argues that since the law only allows wagering at a track in Texas no one is being discriminated against since no company can accept an internet wager in the state of Texas.

There are a couple of cases that seem to back up CD's argument and one of the judges even admitted so during oral arguments.

Still waiting and hoping the judges are horseplayers…..
:rolleyes: perry is ready to hit the button! you know the cattle boy way?

raybo
05-12-2014, 12:34 PM
Dark Horse Bet, my only real option here, is shutting down on Monday. Thus, I'm back to square one.

Is there any real hope of this being overturned?

Yeah, I got the same notice by email. No more betting online for this boy, and I absolutely refuse to go to Grand Prairie to bet at the track. Heck, I'd go to Louisiana or Oklahoma to bet before I'd support a Texas track! I hope the whole racing industry in Texas goes tits-up!!!

Appy
05-12-2014, 10:23 PM
"I hope the whole racing industry in Texas goes tits-up!!!"
...but is there an alternative? How long can they survive with only on site wagering? Is there THAT many players who go to the track in Tejas?
Not that I've seen.
Go to Oklahoma? Thanks for Tribal backing.
Kansas herded nearly all Natives to Oklahoma, then when they saw those folk attracting lots of Kansas dollars to their Oklahoma casino biz they built State owned casinos with reduced (22%) takeout compared to what they proposed to levy (40%) against race track slots.

Mystic
05-12-2014, 10:36 PM
Yeah, I got the same notice by email. No more betting online for this boy, and I absolutely refuse to go to Grand Prairie to bet at the track. Heck, I'd go to Louisiana or Oklahoma to bet before I'd support a Texas track! I hope the whole racing industry in Texas goes tits-up!!!

To think I moved back from California when they legalized pari-mutual wagering..Thinking how GREAT it was going to be.. Thinking "Finally!",
after all those years of fighting those hardcore southern Baptist..
Hind sight 20/20, but I should have stayed in LA.

raybo
05-13-2014, 11:47 PM
"I hope the whole racing industry in Texas goes tits-up!!!"
...but is there an alternative? How long can they survive with only on site wagering? Is there THAT many players who go to the track in Tejas?
Not that I've seen.
Go to Oklahoma? Thanks for Tribal backing.
Kansas herded nearly all Natives to Oklahoma, then when they saw those folk attracting lots of Kansas dollars to their Oklahoma casino biz they built State owned casinos with reduced (22%) takeout compared to what they proposed to levy (40%) against race track slots.

Your guess is as good as mine because I have no idea what Texas lawmakers are trying to do. It started with GW Bush pushing the 'no Texas resident can bet any Texas track online' law, which started the ball rolling for ADWs to deny Texas residents membership. Then the "Sunshine" thing where they were supposed to just look at the existing law and decide if it should continue or not, but instead enhanced it to include all online wagering from a Texas resident.

I suspect the Bible thumpers are behind all this, as they were the ones we had to fight tooth and nail to get horse racing back in the first place. That coming shortly after the lottery was established due to state financial problems. In other words, it's ok to let residents gamble, if, it puts money in the state coffers, but if it doesn't then "gambling is bad". The state says they get no income from ADW wagering by Texas residents, but if Texas residents can't bet online, and can't or won't go to the track to wager, then is the state, or the horse industry, somehow better off? At least with ADW wagering that online handle is co-mingled with the track handle, isn't that income for the state?

I don't get it, and I said as much to the TRC commissioner a long time ago. You want less wagering money by Texas residents at the same time that you want more income for the tracks, and thus the state, and thus the TRC and the Texas horse industry. Isn't that the opposite of what should happen if the state's horse industry is to flourish, or at least survive? :bang:

GarlandTex
05-28-2014, 12:32 AM
As a thoroughbred owner in Texas... please rethink your bad wishes for Texas racing... it isn't the racing industry, it is the as usual the damn politicians..

GarlandTex
05-28-2014, 12:39 AM
I still check the opinions page issued by the court every day. Right now the case numbers are getting very close to the case number we care about,
13-50900.
I have read briefs by both sides and listened to the oral arguments by both sides twice.

Twinspire's argument is that Texas law discriminates out of state businesses from conducting business in the state of Texas in a business that Texas is participating in. The State of Texas argues that since the law only allows wagering at a track in Texas no one is being discriminated against since no company can accept an internet wager in the state of Texas.

There are a couple of cases that seem to back up CD's argument and one of the judges even admitted so during oral arguments.

Still waiting and hoping the judges are horseplayers…..

I tried but could not find the case... where did you find it?

raybo
05-28-2014, 05:57 AM
As a thoroughbred owner in Texas... please rethink your bad wishes for Texas racing... it isn't the racing industry, it is the as usual the damn politicians..

The only thing that will save racing in Texas is if the tracks start closing because of what the laws are doing to it. If the tracks stay open, somehow, then the government will just keep on doing what they have been doing, screwing the people who pay for the industry to exist, the players. If you, as a thoroughbred owner in Texas, are afraid that my wishes for the Texas racing industry to fall on its face might cause it to happen, then maybe you need to get some of your buddies together and start doing something to stop this insanity. The chairman of the TRC said the same thing to me, "it's not me, it's the state" to which I said, "then get some of your cronies together and do something about it, or you won't have a job, because there will be no racing industry, and if there is no racing industry then there is no need for a racing commission".

hogoffate
06-01-2014, 07:42 PM
The link below is to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov
You can click on Opinions Page on the left hand side and it will show what opinions/rulings are made daily.
Or if you have 40 minutes to kill you can click on the oral recordings page to hear how each side argued their side of the case.
Case #: 13-50900

Mystic
06-01-2014, 07:54 PM
The link below is to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov
You can click on Opinions Page on the left hand side and it will show what opinions/rulings are made daily.
Or if you have 40 minutes to kill you can click on the oral recordings page to hear how each side argued their side of the case.
Case #: 13-50900

Judge sounds like a jerk.

Mystic
06-01-2014, 08:08 PM
I really have no idea whats being said..lol.. Trying to listen, but lot's of legal terminology of course.. I need it in layman's terms :D

Mystic
06-01-2014, 08:24 PM
o.k.. he's not a jerk anymore..lol.. he's raising some good points and I hope in the end that he rules in our favor.

raybo
06-12-2014, 11:05 AM
Now, the industry in Texas wants historical/instant wagering: :bang:

"The primary advantage of historical racing is the additional revenue it provides for purses for live races conducted in this state."

In the petition supporting publication of the rules, horse industry representatives noted that since 2004 when an estimated 19,000 Texans were employed in the horse racing industry, "significant numbers of owners, breeders, and trainers have left Texas for other states in which higher purses are offered."

Specifically, the petition cites the average daily purses of $139,459 in Texas pales in comparison to the $352,235 and $347,796 averages in Kentucky and Arkansas, respectively.

Additionally, since 2004 the number of live races in Texas has declined 50%, live wagering in the state is down 66%, and the number of foals bred in Texas is also down 66%, the petition states.

"We believe that permitting pari-mutuel wagering on historical races in Texas would halt and reverse those declines in jobs, purses, live races, and wagering," said the industry representatives.

Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/85632/historical-racing-takes-step-forward-in-texas#ixzz34QwckNMe

precocity
06-12-2014, 03:33 PM
Now, the industry in Texas wants historical/instant wagering: :bang:



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/85632/historical-racing-takes-step-forward-in-texas#ixzz34QwckNMe

Morons just give us are ADWS back!!!!

Mystic
06-12-2014, 04:23 PM
How stupid.

hacklimit
06-12-2014, 07:37 PM
Morons just give us are ADWS back!!!!

+1

hogoffate
06-12-2014, 11:42 PM
+1
+2
Someone needs to tell the jackwagons to open their own service like Arkansas did for "Oaklawn Anywhere" (for state residents only) they could make big money, or more money than they are getting now which is ZERO !!!

So tired of waiting for the decision to come out...

precocity
06-12-2014, 11:47 PM
+2
Someone needs to tell the jackwagons to open their own service like Arkansas did for "Oaklawn Anywhere" (for state residents only) they could make big money, or more money than they are getting now which is ZERO !!!

So tired of waiting for the decision to come out...
:ThmbUp: +3 KEEP IT GOING TEXAS!!!!!!!

Cholly
06-13-2014, 01:44 AM
Now, the industry in Texas wants historical/instant wagering: :bang:



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/85632/historical-racing-takes-step-forward-in-texas#ixzz34QwckNMe
I notice they employed the term "historical racing" thirteen times in that short press release. Maybe if they had gotten the count up to 17 I would have forgotten they are talking about slot machines.

GarlandTex
06-21-2014, 01:27 PM
As far as I can tell, there is still no decision from the court.

hacklimit
07-10-2014, 12:32 PM
As far as I can tell, there is still no decision from the court.

Perhaps an illegal alien stole the paperwork.

JustRalph
09-28-2014, 02:32 PM
The players in Texas lost

Court decision upheld

No Online Play in Texas

It's over

Mystic
09-28-2014, 10:43 PM
The players in Texas lost

Court decision upheld

No Online Play in Texas

It's over

Not surprised.

vince
09-29-2014, 02:56 PM
Now we have to wait hopefully for the tracks to close, the only reason they are staying open now is the possibility of having casinos in the future, I hope that never happens so the tracks lose out!

Hoofless_Wonder
09-29-2014, 08:26 PM
Brutal. As a former resident of Illinois (and Texas long before the internet), I feel for you.

At the risk of opening up old wounds, here's a link to the story, where CD mentions that they'll appeal....(again)....

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/horse-biz/2014/09/28/churchill-downs-inc-loses-appeal-of-texas-adw-case/16362285/

raybo
09-29-2014, 09:06 PM
That's fine, La., Ar., Ok., NM. will appreciate Texas money, I'm sure. Just wish I lived closer to one of our borders.

raybo
09-29-2014, 09:34 PM
At least TwinSpires understands how much gambling money comes from Texas. Heck, you go to LaD and all you see is Texas plates in the parking lot - LOL. Wanna know why pools are getting smaller, stupid laws like this one. 773 miles wide and 790 miles long, 268,581 sq. miles, 26,448,193 people, add the robust historical gambling culture of Texans and all that relates to lots of gambling money, and lots of distance between Texas people and Texas race tracks (the only places they can gamble legally inside the state). And forget about attracting track visitors from other states. All this stuff adds up to an economic disaster for the racing industry, nationwide.

thaskalos
09-30-2014, 01:23 AM
I wonder if the illegal bookmaker in Texas are taking advantage of this deplorable situation.

raybo
09-30-2014, 02:10 AM
I wonder if the illegal bookmaker in Texas are taking advantage of this deplorable situation.

That's a little out of my circle, but if they aren't, that's on them.

Robert Goren
09-30-2014, 06:48 AM
The players in Texas lost

Court decision upheld

No Online Play in Texas

It's overIt was over before it began.

raybo
10-20-2014, 01:12 PM
The players in Texas lost

Court decision upheld

No Online Play in Texas

It's over

PM me Ralph.

Maxximus
11-09-2014, 12:44 AM
There were many factors leading to this decision. Amongst them was Venitian Hotel owner Sheldon Adelson buying out governors to ban Online Gambling nationwide. His reasons for doing so is laughable.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/05/is-the-gop-going-to-let-sheldon-adelson-buy-an-online-gambling-ban/

It was already bought and paid for well before the decision was made. Thanks Rick Perry! The tradition will continue with fellow GOP Greg Abbot. The Slots or nothing crowd made thier voices heard with the introduction to the odd looking HRTs. I cant see no more than 5 people in the whole state using it which would probably increase purses by 6 dollars.

Dont forget that Pinnacle Entertainment (gaming and resorts) purchased Retama Park just-in-case Slots do pass in Texas. If that happens then there could be a possibility that ADWs come back because the tracks wouldnt have to worry about Horse Betting online revenue lost when they are making much more with slots. While I believe it may take a few years for that to happen, it would be in the best interest for Texas to set up thier own ADW in-state RIGHT NOW and reap all the benefits better than any HRT would.

Currently I live in Houston, Tx and if any of you texas residents want to get the ball rolling on that ADW in-state. Lets try to make OUR voices heard. PM me if you want to brainstorm some ideas.

raybo
11-09-2014, 02:24 AM
There were many factors leading to this decision. Amongst them was Venitian Hotel owner Sheldon Adelson buying out governors to ban Online Gambling nationwide. His reasons for doing so is laughable.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/05/is-the-gop-going-to-let-sheldon-adelson-buy-an-online-gambling-ban/

It was already bought and paid for well before the decision was made. Thanks Rick Perry! The tradition will continue with fellow GOP Greg Abbot. The Slots or nothing crowd made thier voices heard with the introduction to the odd looking HRTs. I cant see no more than 5 people in the whole state using it which would probably increase purses by 6 dollars.

Dont forget that Pinnacle Entertainment (gaming and resorts) purchased Retama Park just-in-case Slots do pass in Texas. If that happens then there could be a possibility that ADWs come back because the tracks wouldnt have to worry about Horse Betting online revenue lost when they are making much more with slots. While I believe it may take a few years for that to happen, it would be in the best interest for Texas to set up thier own ADW in-state RIGHT NOW and reap all the benefits better than any HRT would.

Currently I live in Houston, Tx and if any of you texas residents want to get the ball rolling on that ADW in-state. Lets try to make OUR voices heard. PM me if you want to brainstorm some ideas.

I have thought all along that if Texas wasn't getting revenue from online ADWs then they should create their own ADW and get it all, their cut of the online wagering plus the tracks get the added pool money from the ADW wagerers. But then, could the State of Texas really operate an ADW properly? They'd probably want too big of a percentage and the tracks wouldn't do business with them, or they'd complain about the cost of the track feed and not carry any tracks, and who knows what else? I have no confidence in them being able to handle it without screwing everything up. :bang:

IMO, slots and HRTs are the last thing we need here, regarding racing.

Slots have already proven that they take gamblers away from horse racing because people don't have to think to play the slots.

The HRTs are really nothing more than a different kind of slot machine, IMO. And, if they really are based on previously run, real races, how long do you think it will take for someone to figure out which races they are and simply accessing the internet to find out which horse won, which hit the exacta, trifecta, superfecta, DD, pick 3, 4,5, and 6? And don't tell me it can't be done, we've all heard that song and dance before. :lol:

That being said, I have found a way to bet online anyway, even Texas tracks, without going offshore. :cool:

Maxximus
11-11-2014, 10:33 PM
http://www.texastribune.org/2014/11/...orical-racing/

Looks like no HRTs in Texas.
Texas racing is doomed.

raybo
11-12-2014, 12:25 AM
http://www.texastribune.org/2014/11/...orical-racing/

Looks like no HRTs in Texas.
Texas racing is doomed.

I was hoping that they would vote that down, it would have had the same effect long term as slots. If Texas racing is dead, it couldn't have happened to a better racing commission and government, IMO. They deserve to lose racing (and their jobs), they've done nothing to help the players, especially the online players who they down right shunned, and as a result, lost all of their wagering dollars. Those players didn't start going 100+ miles to the nearest track, they just quit betting, or found a way around the internet betting ban. JUSTICE!

Maxximus
11-12-2014, 10:16 PM
I was hoping that they would vote that down, it would have had the same effect long term as slots. If Texas racing is dead, it couldn't have happened to a better racing commission and government, IMO. They deserve to lose racing (and their jobs), they've done nothing to help the players, especially the online players who they down right shunned, and as a result, lost all of their wagering dollars. Those players didn't start going 100+ miles to the nearest track, they just quit betting, or found a way around the internet betting ban. JUSTICE!


Well Said! Texas Racing Commission is so clueless its actually funny. They are sitting on a gold mine in a in-state ADW yet they keep shooting themselves in the foot by proposing stupid HRT in which a Bingo lobby shot down (comedy gold!). Texas horseman dont understand where the money for the purses come from. They think it comes from thin air and they continuously shun the bettor <--- the source of their money.

Texas Racing commision thinks charging 5 dollars for admission and selling Cold hot dogs and warm beer will turn the industry around. I will sit and watch what they will do next

JustRalph
11-12-2014, 10:26 PM
Well Said! Texas Racing Commission is so clueless its actually funny. They are sitting on a gold mine in a in-state ADW yet they keep shooting themselves in the foot by proposing stupid HRT in which a Bingo lobby shot down (comedy gold!). Texas horseman dont understand where the money for the purses come from. They think it comes from thin air and they continuously shun the bettor <--- the source of their money.

Texas Racing commision thinks charging 5 dollars for admission and selling Cold hot dogs and warm beer will turn the industry around. I will sit and watch what they will do next

No admission at Lone Star race book. Unless you want private desk $3. Electricity and private TV. Dedicated wait staff

Good food and great bars at a slightly elevated price, but nothing outrageous at all. Very polite staff and even better wait staff. For 10-12 bucks plus a tip I get the desk for the day, nice hearty size lunch (Really good Chicken Tenders and French Fries) and free refills on iced tea or Pepsi. Beats the hell out of every other race book or track I've attended. Except maybe years ago when you could get in a club house room at Sam Houston for $15 bucks and have the buffet and non alcoholic drinks on a Saturday with private tellers too.

ReplayRandall
11-12-2014, 10:45 PM
No admission at Lone Star race book. Unless you want private desk $3. Electricity and private TV. Dedicated wait staff

Good food and great bars at a slightly elevated price, but nothing outrageous at all. Very polite staff and even better wait staff. For 10-12 bucks plus a tip I get the desk for the day, nice hearty size lunch (Really good Chicken Tenders and French Fries) and free refills on iced tea or Pepsi. Beats the hell out of every other race book or track I've attended. Except maybe years ago when you could get in a club house room at Sam Houston for $15 bucks and have the buffet and non alcoholic drinks on a Saturday with private tellers too.


Sounds like a good deal, Ralph. It blows my mind that the state of Texas was the host of the Breeders cup at Lone Star Park, which totally sold-out, just 10 short years ago, and now horse racing in Texas unravels like this? Do Texans love horse racing?.........Read the article below from 2004.....


http://www.theracingjournal.com/news/article.php?article_id=126

raybo
11-12-2014, 10:53 PM
Sounds like a good deal, Ralph. It blows my mind that the state of Texas was the host of the Breeders cup at Lone Star Park, which totally sold-out, just 10 short years ago, and now horse racing in Texas unravels like this? Do Texans love horse racing?.........Read the article below from 2004.....


http://www.theracingjournal.com/news/article.php?article_id=126

Texans love gambling period! There are so many gambling dollars in this state it would make your head swim to see the numbers. And the state just keeps sending it out of state, or out of the country.

hogoffate
11-12-2014, 11:33 PM
I was glad to see the female judge rule that the TRC over stepped their authority and that the legislature is responsible for approving the HRT's.
They have to be pissed. haha.

just keep letting that money go out state …...

Maxximus
11-14-2014, 06:49 PM
No admission at Lone Star race book. Unless you want private desk $3. Electricity and private TV. Dedicated wait staff

Good food and great bars at a slightly elevated price, but nothing outrageous at all. Very polite staff and even better wait staff. For 10-12 bucks plus a tip I get the desk for the day, nice hearty size lunch (Really good Chicken Tenders and French Fries) and free refills on iced tea or Pepsi. Beats the hell out of every other race book or track I've attended. Except maybe years ago when you could get in a club house room at Sam Houston for $15 bucks and have the buffet and non alcoholic drinks on a Saturday with private tellers too.


You sold me on chicken tenders and free refills. Where do I sign up?

raybo
11-14-2014, 07:35 PM
You sold me on chicken tenders and free refills. Where do I sign up?

Heck, if I want chicken tenders there's a place right down the road, why drive an hour and a half to the track? :lol:

JustRalph
11-14-2014, 08:01 PM
You sold me on chicken tenders and free refills. Where do I sign up?

Oh yeah....parking is free

Though you do have to walk a hundred yards to the door

Valet is $5 plus tip but they are slow as hell, so I stopped using them.

Maxximus
11-15-2014, 01:29 AM
Heck, if I want chicken tenders there's a place right down the road, why drive an hour and a half to the track? :lol:


I was being sarcastic of course. I am not going to be sold on going to a track on chicken tenders and pepsi especially when it costs 12 bucks. Yet the tracks think dollar hot dogs and beers are a great promotional technique to bring in cheapskates.

Texas tracks should stop simulcasting all together and offer it through in-state ADW ONLY. This way they dont have to pay for the cook to fry up the chicken tenders at the track. Not to mention the person who collects money for admission, programs, other concessions, custodial staff, etc. Only use them for live racing days.

With the ADW they can offer rebates in the form of Chicken Tender coupons for our favorite place down the street.

NTamm1215
12-04-2014, 12:15 AM
I was being sarcastic of course. I am not going to be sold on going to a track on chicken tenders and pepsi especially when it costs 12 bucks. Yet the tracks think dollar hot dogs and beers are a great promotional technique to bring in cheapskates.

Texas tracks should stop simulcasting all together and offer it through in-state ADW ONLY. This way they dont have to pay for the cook to fry up the chicken tenders at the track. Not to mention the person who collects money for admission, programs, other concessions, custodial staff, etc. Only use them for live racing days.

With the ADW they can offer rebates in the form of Chicken Tender coupons for our favorite place down the street.

Why the Texas racetracks haven't formed an ADW is the million dollar question.

However, TX is so backwards that the tracks can't offer contests with live money components or entry fees after being prohibited from doing so by the Department of Public Safety. It's mind boggling.

Robert Goren
12-04-2014, 06:02 AM
Why the Texas racetracks haven't formed an ADW is the million dollar question.

However, TX is so backwards that the tracks can't offer contests with live money components or entry fees after being prohibited from doing so by the Department of Public Safety. It's mind boggling.From the most pro business state in the country.:rolleyes:

JustRalph
12-04-2014, 02:05 PM
From the most pro business state in the country.:rolleyes:

diggin deep to go after Texas aren't you? You realize Horse racing is not exactly a big issue comparatively speaking?

take a pill robert.........

raybo
12-04-2014, 02:35 PM
From the most pro business state in the country.:rolleyes:

Yeah, pro-business, pro-BIG business, not a 3 track racing business in the 2nd largest state in the Union! Oh yeah, and forget about their concern for the average citizen, they couldn't care less.

hogoffate
12-23-2014, 11:35 PM
I have heard Bovada.com is a good site for playing horses while living in Texas. Have not seen little negativity about it and the rebates seem good

Has anybody heard or experienced this site?