Maryland Breeding

[lamboguy]

this time of year if you are breeding you have to figure out whom to send your mares to and where you want to drop the foal. i like Maryland now for a few reasons:

1. there are no slot machines at the racetracks there, yet the breeding awards and purses are all heading north and its not like anyone with a slot parlor can complain about track expenses because they don't own any

2. Maryland people love horse racing and pressure their representatives to keep it around

3. Stronach family owns the thoroughbred tracks and they know how to run a good track and are exposed to plenty of horses that they own and race.

4. restricted condition races are about to happen there within a few years if not sooner.

[Saratoga_Mike]

this time of year if you are breeding you have to figure out whom to send your mares to and where you want to drop the foal. i like Maryland now for a few reasons:

1. there are no slot machines at the racetracks there, yet the breeding awards and purses are all heading north and its not like anyone with a slot parlor can complain about track expenses because they don't own any

2. Maryland people love horse racing and pressure their representatives to keep it around

3. Stronach family owns the thoroughbred tracks and they know how to run a good track and are exposed to plenty of horses that they own and race.

4. restricted condition races are about to happen there within a few years if not sooner.

In the short term (next few yrs), you're probably right, but I disagree with several of your points.

1) The risk is the state clawing back the slots subsidies over time.

2) If racing disappeared in MD tomorrow, I don't think most of its citizens would notice.

3) Frank Stronach knows how to a run t'bred track?

4) I'm surprised restricted races haven't already happened - does the law prevent it?

[FantasticDan]

I'm a fan of E Dubai, he's moving to MD for 2014.. :ThmbUp:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/82032/e-dubai-to-stand-in-maryland-in-2014-season

[lamboguy]

In the short term (next few yrs), you're probably right, but I disagree with several of your points.

1) The risk is the state clawing back the slots subsidies over time.

2) If racing disappeared in MD tomorrow, I don't think most of its citizens would notice.

3) Frank Stronach knows how to a run t'bred track?

4) I'm surprised restricted races haven't already happened - does the law prevent it?i think there is less chance of the state taking back the slot money because the slots are not in the race track.....up until now the maryland bred program has not been so popular, this year it is and there will be many more foals. from what i see, Santa Anita and Gulfstream are profitable and its not Frank that is running those tracks, its his daughter who is very smart.

[Saratoga_Mike]

i think there is less chance of the state taking back the slot money because the slots are not in the race track.....up until now the maryland bred program has not been so popular, this year it is and there will be many more foals. from what i see, Santa Anita and Gulfstream are profitable and its not Frank that is running those tracks, its his daughter who is very smart.

Is there talk of restricted races (other than stakes of course) for MD-breds (like the NY-bred program)?

[Stillriledup]

i know that NY permits "Real sires" to sire NY breds....so, you have the Frost Giants and Utopia's and Bustin Stoneses running real open company sires. Does Md permit this and do other states permit this, or is NY the only one?

[lamboguy]

Is there talk of restricted races (other than stakes of course) for MD-breds (like the NY-bred program)?when you have enough of a foal population there will be restricted races. the last few years were very small ones, now with a brighter future there is more breeding going on in the state and will probably mean more Maryland Bred races as long as the provisions for more money going towards the program stays intact. even florida has restricted maiden races now. almost every other breeding program has it other than maryland now.

[Saratoga_Mike]

when you have enough of a foal population there will be restricted races. the last few years were very small ones, now with a brighter future there is more breeding going on in the state and will probably mean more Maryland Bred races as long as the provisions for more money going towards the program stays intact. even florida has restricted maiden races now. almost every other breeding program has it other than maryland now.

If the restricted races happen and subsidies stay in place, you'll definitely want to own some MD-breds.

[lamboguy]

i know that NY permits "Real sires" to sire NY breds....so, you have the Frost Giants and Utopia's and Bustin Stoneses running real open company sires. Does Md permit this and do other states permit this, or is NY the only one?if the rules didn't change in New York, you could breed a mare in Kentucky and drop the foal in New York and have a New York bred. the next year you would have to breed that mare to a registered New York Stallion to be eligible for the program. other states are very similar.

[Saratoga_Mike]

A horse may be registered with the Maryland Horse Breeders Association, Inc., only if the horse was foaled in Maryland as shown by a foal certificate from the Jockey Club and:

(1) the breeder of the horse has maintained a place of abode in Maryland for more than 9 months immediately before registration;OR (2) the breeder of the horse keeps breeding stock continually in Maryland;OR (3) the horse was conceived in Maryland during the previous season; OR (4) the horse’s dam was sent to Maryland to foal and after foaling was covered by a Maryland stallion during the season of the horse’s birth

See more at: http://marylandthoroughbred.com/cms/index.php/foals/mdbred-registration/register-your-mdbred#sthash.29uqd5iO.dpuf

[FantasticDan]

if the rules didn't change in New York, you could breed a mare in Kentucky and drop the foal in New York and have a New York bred.I'm looking at you, Funny Cide! :p

[VeryOldMan]

2. Maryland people love horse racing and pressure their representatives to keep it around

3. Stronach family owns the thoroughbred tracks and they know how to run a good track and are exposed to plenty of horses that they own and race.


I'm a little late to this party, but thought I'd chime in as a long-time Maryland resident.

I don't think Maryland people love horse racing. My sense is that the average Marylander cares just as little as anyone else. You've had a couple of factors at work in this state - the previous owner of the tracks, the DeFrancis family, was HOOKED UP with the Maryland political structure. Big behind-the-scenes players. Couple that with a horse breeder/owner industry that has played up the industry's impact on the state (which I never quite believed, but they were successful), throw in a dash of Preakness nostalgia, and you have Maryland. I think the slots money is safe for a while, because there are two new gushers yet to open - the casino in Baltimore and the one that appears greased for National Harbor. Any clawback is down the road, although I think it will come at some point.

As to Stronach and running the tracks here - he may know how to run a race track, but he sure butchered the slots/gaming situation in Maryland. The legislation was written to essentially HAND one of the golden tickets to Laurel. Really. By all rights there should be a big-ass casino at Laurel right now. But they screwed up by not putting down the required deposit specified in the legislation. D'oh. Hello, Maryland Live!

[chadk66]

MN. Maiden allowance will be running for 36K or so in two years. Onlyl 140 foals born this year or thereabouts. Only two to three hundred in a couple years. Some easy money to be had in the next few years.

[ronsmac]

this time of year if you are breeding you have to figure out whom to send your mares to and where you want to drop the foal. i like Maryland now for a few reasons:

1. there are no slot machines at the racetracks there, yet the breeding awards and purses are all heading north and its not like anyone with a slot parlor can complain about track expenses because they don't own any

2. Maryland people love horse racing and pressure their representatives to keep it around

3. Stronach family owns the thoroughbred tracks and they know how to run a good track and are exposed to plenty of horses that they own and race.

4. restricted condition races are about to happen there within a few years if not sooner.
I know about 1200 people from Maryland and only 6 that love horse racing.

[the little guy]

I know about 1200 people from Maryland and only 6 that love horse racing.

I have two good friends from Maryland, and they both LOVE horse racing.

[cj's dad]

I know about 1200 people from Maryland and only 6 that love horse racing.

If I ever meet you the total will climb to 7

[proximity]

3) Frank Stronach knows how to a run t'bred track?


maybe if we're real patient, someday we'll get to see him actually apply this knowledge. :rolleyes:

[nijinski]

I know about 1200 people from Maryland and only 6 that love horse racing.
Very sad , if they only new the amazing history of some of the greats that were foaled there and that one of the most influential sires in horse racing history
stood there .
Not to mention it's the home of the Preakness .
Would love to see that turn around , guess I'm dreaming .