Tote board games Race 7 at HOL?

[Track Phantom]

31k right now bet to win on a hopeless 30-1 morning line horse.

[Track Phantom]

Here is the runner with 31k bet to win. I have them all in the ending pick 3 so I was keenly aware of the betting on this one as it pays 4k in the p3.

Absolutely no chance on paper. They have to cancel this money, no?


http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/valento07/Ekahi_zps6058bc86.jpg

[DeltaLover]

Ekahi : 30-1 ML

11' to post: 4-5

What's going on?

[Stillriledup]

This stuff would never happen at SRU downs, i tell you that much right now.

[Stillriledup]

I bet this nonsense would stop if the person wasnt allowed to cancel. Just one time deny the cancel, and this stuff stops.

[DeltaLover]

9 to post has 32K to win

[TheEdge07]

"They"

[bks]

Saw that too. Expect the money to disappear.

Why does it say he's 3-5 ML on your PPs, Valento?

[Stillriledup]

Again, this is a manipulation and not a "mistake" because when the 30k comes off the horse, it won't go on someone else. Nobody ever intended to make a 30k win bet and keep it.

[Track Phantom]

Saw that too. Expect the money to disappear.

Why does it say he's 3-5 ML on your PPs, Valento?

Formulator lists current odds under ML odds

[DeltaLover]

30K win
350 place
350 show

How many time you have seen that?

[DeltaLover]

Now is down to 4K

[Midnight Cruiser]

1 minute till post and now moved to 14-1

[lamboguy]

its just a mistake

[Track Phantom]

Honest mistake. Happened two weeks ago with a 20k bet.

Very honest.

[Stillriledup]

There was also manipulation on the 4 horse to place, the horse had over 10k to place and then a flash later, it was down to 5k.

[Track Phantom]

In my opinion, I'd investigate the betting on the winner, #5 Cast a Doubt. It was the favorite in the p3 and the only horse getting bet into the fake money on the 6.

It appears they hid the buzz on the 6 in favor of the winner.

[DeltaLover]

In my opinion, I'd investigate the betting on the winner, #5 Cast a Doubt. It was the favorite in the p3 and the only horse getting bet into the fake money on the 6.

It appears they hid the buzz on the 6 in favor of the winner.

agree 100%

[lamboguy]

it happens everywhere these days. if i had the adw where the guy was doing this, i would jam up his cancel button and make him eat the bet.

[Track Phantom]

agree 100%

I almost posted this before the race. I always look at who else is getting action when there is a fake large bet on a longshot.

The only common sense to me is to get people looking at someone else and hide legitimate money. #5 Cast a Doubt was the 3rd choice but favorite in the p3 and went off as the favorite. It wasn't hard to find on paper but that is the only thing that makes any sense to me.

Will be interesting to see what the late p3 and p4 pays now.

[DeltaLover]

I almost posted this before the race. I always look at who else is getting action when there is a fake large bet on a longshot.


same here...

[dnlgfnk]

Honest mistake. Happened two weeks ago with a 20k bet.

Very honest.

That was on 10/20...Diocesan Policy (Doug O'neill/Tri 3 Racing). I was interested to learn if the same connections, but no.

[TheEdge07]

We keep coming back...

[Stillriledup]

Its amazing how the person who wants to manipulate doesnt do it subtly, they make such a ridiculous bet that we all know is going to be cancelled. I'd get to the bottom of this if it was the last thing i did.

[wiffleball whizz]

Don't worry guys the teller mis punched for 30k not a big deal

[ronsmac]

the last two times did happen it was investigated and the same guy said it was a mistake. They said he bets with xbselect. it will be interesting to see if its the same guy again.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Don't worry, I'm sure that the CHRB has your backs... just like the last time... you guys are just seeing things, this is why racing has top shelf regulators on top of things.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/chrb-cancelled-wagers-not-part-of-scheme-to-manipulate-odds/

[Track Phantom]

That was on 10/20...Diocesan Policy (Doug O'neill/Tri 3 Racing). I was interested to learn if the same connections, but no.

The horse that won that day was a Mike Puype owned by Little Red Feather Racing. In race 9 today, #11 is the favorite in the p3 and p4 and is owned by same owner and trainer.

A bit of a reach but....

[Hoofless_Wonder]

the last two times did happen it was investigated and the same guy said it was a mistake. They said he bets with xbselect. it will be interesting to see if its the same guy again.

I'd like to know what this guys does for a living. Smart enough to have $30K to place on a horse, and stupid enough not to be able to enter the wager properly? :confused:

[Stillriledup]

I'd like to know what this guys does for a living. Smart enough to have $30K to place on a horse, and stupid enough not to be able to enter the wager properly? :confused:

lol, right? Great points.

[Stillriledup]

Massive place bet on Warren's T Baze in the final race at Hollywood. lets see if this gets cancelled too.

[TheEdge07]

Massive place bet on Warren's T Baze in the final race at Hollywood. lets see if this gets cancelled too.

Never in doubt...

ill say it again...we keep coming back..

[thaskalos]

I don't understand all the negativity here.

Can't we at least take solace in the fact that this type of manipulation has not yet become wide-spread...and that the game is still "basically honest"?

[Stillriledup]

I don't understand all the negativity here.

Can't we at least take solace in the fact that this type of manipulation has not yet become wide-spread...and that the game is still "basically honest"?

I think that the idea that some joker bet 30k on a horse with no chance to win and planned on refunding the bet at a later time in the cycle isnt as bad as the idea that if this stuff is going on, what ELSE is going on in this game. THATS the thing to be concerned about. Im more concerned about hackers skimming monies out of blind pools than some odd bet that i know is going to get cancelled.

[TheEdge07]

I don't understand all the negativity here.

Can't we at least take solace in the fact that this type of manipulation has not yet become wide-spread...and that the game is still "basically honest"?


lol..Thask your a first ballot PA Hall Of Famer,...

Widespread...from Mountaineer to Hollywood..East Coast ...West Coast..widespread to me..

[thaskalos]

I think that the idea that some joker bet 30k on a horse with no chance to win and planned on refunding the bet at a later time in the cycle isnt as bad as the idea that if this stuff is going on, what ELSE is going on in this game. THATS the thing to be concerned about. Im more concerned about hackers skimming monies out of blind pools than some odd bet that i know is going to get cancelled.
This is what bothers me most:

Some of the ills plaguing this game are very complicated issues...which are very costly to address. But this pool manipulation problem can be assessed very simply...and it can be terminated instantly.

By allowing this problem to remain...the racetracks are telling us that they are totally unwilling to even lift a finger to address some important issues that are very problematic for the vast majority of their loyal customers.

Businesses that operate in such a manner deserve no customers at all.

[Stillriledup]

This is what bothers me most:

Some of the ills plaguing this game are very complicated issues...which are very costly to address. But this pool manipulation problem can be assessed very simply...and it can be terminated instantly.

By allowing this problem to remain...the racetracks are telling us that they are totally unwilling to even lift a finger to address some important issues that are very problematic for the vast majority of their loyal customers.

Businesses that operate in such a manner deserve no customers at all.

Here here.

Its a joke. Its like getting spit on.

[Track Phantom]

This is what bothers me most:

Some of the ills plaguing this game are very complicated issues...which are very costly to address. But this pool manipulation problem can be assessed very simply...and it can be terminated instantly.

By allowing this problem to remain...the racetracks are telling us that they are totally unwilling to even lift a finger to address some important issues that are very problematic for the vast majority of their loyal customers.

Businesses that operate in such a manner deserve no customers at all.

Could not agree more.

I just saw a Real Sports piece on the explosion of a video gaming league that has hundreds of thousands of followers. What jumped out at me was the creativity and big picture drive of these young people moving this industry. It got me thinking how stagnant the horse racing industry is and made me feel like the problems are more on the doorstep of the people in charge of the game than on the competition and competitive climate.

In a lot of words, I was basically agreeing that the powers that be are their own worst enemy.

[cj]

This is what bothers me most:

Some of the ills plaguing this game are very complicated issues...which are very costly to address. But this pool manipulation problem can be assessed very simply...and it can be terminated instantly.

By allowing this problem to remain...the racetracks are telling us that they are totally unwilling to even lift a finger to address some important issues that are very problematic for the vast majority of their loyal customers.

Businesses that operate in such a manner deserve no customers at all.

Seems pretty obvious they are afraid to alienate some big bettor.

[johnhannibalsmith]

"They"

Found your mystery man for you.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-Legally-Changes-Name-To-They-2692203.php

[NJ Stinks]

Found your mystery man for you.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-Legally-Changes-Name-To-They-2692203.php

Excellante! :lol:

[OTM Al]

This sort of behavior was studied a few years back. Experimental economics was my field back when I was a grad student and I got to meet Colin a few times. Excellent researcher. This paper is pretty easy to understand and demonstrated such behavior has little effect. Interestingly enough he discovered you could cancel tickets himself when he bet the wrong race one day.

http://aysps.gsu.edu/isp/files/ISP_Field_1.pdf

[cj]

The problem with this stuff is where does it stop? Where is the line drawn?

What if he just starts betting random amounts on every horse in the field, knowing full well he will cancel them at the last minute? This crap has to stop. You bet, you bet. You might want to cancel, wait to bet.

[thespaah]

I have been a proponent of eliminating the cancel feature for the express purpose of stopping pool manipulation.
In fact I was flamed on here for even suggesting such a proposition.
Based on the thread commentary, I see the consensus agrees with my idea.

[letswastemoney]

What about eliminating the cancel for wagers that are above $10,000? I think that would be fair. There could be several warnings before the bet is made that no cancels are available.

The smaller bettors should always be able to cancel though.

[Track Phantom]

I actually have little problem with someone making a large wager and canceling it. Everyone knew that money was going to be canceled.

It just appears there is no oversight on the front end or the back end. The large wager + cancel is just representative of the poor perception this game has when integrity is involved.

[antigeekess]

I'm sure everybody's probably noticed this by now, but if not:

http://www.drf.com/news/hollywood-park-california-horse-racing-board-looking-possible-odds-manipulation

[wiffleball whizz]

I'm sure everybody's probably noticed this by now, but if not:

http://www.drf.com/news/hollywood-park-california-horse-racing-board-looking-possible-odds-manipulation

Paceadvantage.com exposes the cheats

[Exotic1]

I'm sure everybody's probably noticed this by now, but if not:

http://www.drf.com/news/hollywood-park-california-horse-racing-board-looking-possible-odds-manipulation

Thanks for posting.

[castaway01]

It's not very encouraging that the most recent comments include:

"You have t have that Money in your account to make the BET; so what's the Problem"

and

"just playing wihin what the system allows ..why can't the bet be removed ? maybe the bettor doesn't like the way the horse looks warming up"

and

"Till the race starts it is my money and I can do with it what I want."

You could say the commenters are morons, but if the powers that be perceive this to be the public's view on the subject, we're not likely to see any change. I imagine the only way you get this pool manipulation stopped is if other big bettors complain about it and the tracks involved think that if they don't put a stop to these wagers they'll lose more in handle than they gain.

[thespaah]

What about eliminating the cancel for wagers that are above $10,000? I think that would be fair. There could be several warnings before the bet is made that no cancels are available.

The smaller bettors should always be able to cancel though.
What's to stop them from making several smaller wagers? Say $9k bets? Or $5k bets?
For every solution there is to stop someone from doing something, there are lots of people finding ways around it.
I am opposed to one size fits all solutions. However, pool manipulation is rather obvious. Any idiot can detect it when it happens.
The bottom line is what cj had to post. You bet, you bet. If one is not intelligent enough to wait for the "are you sure" button before hitting 'send', then personal responsibility kicks in. Sorry, you lose.
With people making such large wagers there must be a fair amount of due diligence. In other words, they are not prone to make $30k or $100k errors.
They are careful to not make mistakes such as betting the incorrect race or wagering the incorrect track. With that said and IMO the cancel feature should be banned.
Correct me if I am wrong ( whiffle ball whiz)If one goes to a casino and plunks down $10k on a hand of black jack or a shooter at a the craps table, they cannot yell "STOP....DO OVER!"....If there was an error, that cash belongs to the casino.
If there are large number bettors adamantly opposed, then they are either betting the bell or manipulating the pools.
Quite frankly I don't think there are that many doing pool manipulation in the pool of large number bettors.

[thespaah]

I actually have little problem with someone making a large wager and canceling it. Everyone knew that money was going to be canceled.

It just appears there is no oversight on the front end or the back end. The large wager + cancel is just representative of the poor perception this game has when integrity is involved.
I disagree. I don't think there is a high percentage of people participating in a particular betting pool who are actually aware of that( bet to cancel).

[green80]

What about a rule like a bet that represents more than 25%of the pool cannot be cancelled?

[BlueShoe]

This little drama created quite a stir at Los Al, almost everyone was talking about it, and we all knew the bet was coming off, the question was when would the bet be canceled, not if. In all mine, and everyone else's, experiences, none of us could recall a bet this large, on such a hopeless runner. Going the other way, a 30 thou bet very late at one of the large SoCal, NY, or Ky tracks that triggers a sharp after the bell drop in odds on a horse that wins, has long been a sore point for players, and the subject has long been debated in depth on PA.

[Phantombridgejumpe]

It was a nice option when it was used correctly, like the horse not warming up well or balking at the gate. However the nice privilege (that I myself used a few times) has been abused and should be taken away.

The only exception would be a teller error that must be corrected immediately.

[Stillriledup]

It was a nice option when it was used correctly, like the horse not warming up well or balking at the gate. However the nice privilege (that I myself used a few times) has been abused and should be taken away.

The only exception would be a teller error that must be corrected immediately.

ALso, tellers should be held to the same standards as bank tellers, any "collusion" with customers should result in immediate firing and criminal action prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[wiffleball whizz]

ALso, tellers should be held to the same standards as bank tellers, any "collusion" with customers should result in immediate firing and criminal action prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


Congrats on 10,000 posts SRU!!!!

So correct about the tellers.......they are state licensed but in general there are tons of tellers with the integrity of a toothpick

[Stillriledup]

Congrats on 10,000 posts SRU!!!!

So correct about the tellers.......they are state licensed but in general there are tons of tellers with the integrity of a toothpick

Thank You Whizz! :ThmbUp:

[antigeekess]

BloodHorse also picked this up today:
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/82006/chrb-looks-into-canceled-30000-wager

[Track Phantom]

BloodHorse also picked this up today:
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/82006/chrb-looks-into-canceled-30000-wager
C'mon?!?!? Who the hell are they kidding with this comment below?

Spokesmen for the regulatory agency as well as the advance deposit wagering company were not referring to the incident as a case of odds manipulation. It may have just been cold feet

I guess we are all that stupid and just believe this crap because they say it. Everyone with a modicum of a brain cell knew this wager was going to be cancelled. Thus, it was never a serious bet. It may not have been odds manipulation but it wasn't a serious wager on 30-1 Ekahi and the mere suggestion that it was is insulting.

[Stillriledup]

C'mon?!?!? Who the hell are they kidding with this comment below?

Spokesmen for the regulatory agency as well as the advance deposit wagering company were not referring to the incident as a case of odds manipulation. It may have just been cold feet

I guess we are all that stupid and just believe this crap because they say it. Everyone with a modicum of a brain cell knew this wager was going to be cancelled. Thus, it was never a serious bet. It may not have been odds manipulation but it wasn't a serious wager on 30-1 Ekahi and the mere suggestion that it was is insulting.

Its funny how they would fight for and have the back of the cancelling player when hundreds if not thousands of players are steaming mad and know with every fiber of their bodies that this was manipulation.

The "cold feet" idea would only come into play IF: 1) the horse was actually a horse who had a chance. 2) There was some other type of information that was discovered nearing post time. Since this was a home-watching-on-tv-or-internet bettor, he can only know what TVG/HTRV or his in house feed tells him...and in this particular instance, the horse in question wasnt shown on the feed nor talked about by the talking heads other than to say the bet was unusual. This wasnt a life at ten situation, it was just a simple case of manipulation.

Why cant the CHRB just say it was manipulation, we werent born last night.

[SharpCat]

C'mon?!?!? Who the hell are they kidding with this comment below?

Spokesmen for the regulatory agency as well as the advance deposit wagering company were not referring to the incident as a case of odds manipulation. It may have just been cold feet

I guess we are all that stupid and just believe this crap because they say it. Everyone with a modicum of a brain cell knew this wager was going to be cancelled. Thus, it was never a serious bet. It may not have been odds manipulation but it wasn't a serious wager on 30-1 Ekahi and the mere suggestion that it was is insulting.


Marten said there in nothing currently in California horse racing law that specifically prevents the cancellation of such a wager.

[cj]

Why cant the CHRB just say it was manipulation, we werent born last night.

They think we are idiots. Maybe we are for caring and not just moving on.

[Stillriledup]

Marten said there in nothing currently in California horse racing law that specifically prevents the cancellation of such a wager.

Maybe we should all start sticking 5k to win on our picks and cancelling 4,800 at the very end of the betting. Its amazing that Xpressbet would permit a cancel like this, but i guess they don't care about how they are viewed from an integrity standpoint. Stronach should be concerned that he's a large name in this game and this is happening on his watch, he needs to do something about it , but you know, i won't be holding my breath.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Maybe we should all start sticking 5k to win on our picks and cancelling 4,800 at the very end of the betting. ...

Cancel it all.

[Stillriledup]

Cancel it all.

If you cancel it all, why bother in the first place?

[Track Phantom]

Marten said there in nothing currently in California horse racing law that specifically prevents the cancellation of such a wager.

Then why are they investigating and not just saying "It's legal, nothing we can do, part of the game and thanks for showing up"?

By the very nature of their investigation, they believe this is bad for the game. I have almost no problem with it. Since I know these bets are not real, I like the chaos. I think the winner of that race would have been more like 8-5 had this money not shown up. I believe it was playing as such in the horizontal pools.

The issue I have is how these governing bodies consistently package bullshit to their main, hard core players, and won't just be honest. Every single time there is even the hint of something scandalous, the report we get is "nothing nefarious going on". The P6 scandal was consistently messaged as "no wrong doing".

90% of the people posting on this board know more about this game than the people investigating it.

[Stillriledup]

Then why are they investigating and not just saying "It's legal, nothing we can do, part of the game and thanks for showing up"?

By the very nature of their investigation, they believe this is bad for the game. I have almost no problem with it. Since I know these bets are not real, I like the chaos. I think the winner of that race would have been more like 8-5 had this money not shown up. I believe it was playing as such in the horizontal pools.

The issue I have is how these governing bodies consistently package bullshit to their main, hard core players, and won't just be honest. Every single time there is even the hint of something scandalous, the report we get is "nothing nefarious going on". The P6 scandal was consistently messaged as "no wrong doing".

90% of the people posting on this board know more about this game than the people investigating it.

Couldnt agree more, there are at least 10 posters on this board who forgot more about the game than those clueless clowns will ever hope to know not to mention they have more integrity too.

They only reason they're 'investigating' is because people complained. If nobody complained, do we all think they would have initiated this investigation on their own? Of course not, zero chance, they're only investigating the 'complaints' from gamblers.

[johnhannibalsmith]

If you cancel it all, why bother in the first place?

Now you get the drift.

[BlueShoe]

Here we go again. Race 1 Hollypark. The #2 is 20-1 ML, 20 minutes before post is 2-5 on the board, was 1-5 earlier. Just under 10k to win, just over 100 bucks to place and show. Yawn---:sleeping: :rolleyes:

PS. The money came off just after I posted this. Having fun with us again it seems.

[Stillriledup]

Here we go again. Race 1 Hollypark. The #2 is 20-1 ML, 20 minutes before post is 2-5 on the board, was 1-5 earlier. Just under 10k to win, just over 100 bucks to place and show. Yawn---:sleeping: :rolleyes:

PS. The money came off just after I posted this. Having fun with us again it seems.

Again, its on a no hoper. I guess the guy just got cold feet. :bang:

[GMB@BP]

So in the first Friday someone put 10k on a hopeless horse in the first only to cancel it again.....even the TVG guys were making a joke out of socal.

[JustRalph]

I would never be for taking away the ability to cancel bets. It used to be that way online and it sucked. Crappy gate crews, stupid track vets abound.

Taking that away would hurt more little guys who bet. I have canceled several bets after watching a horse at or in the gate. I can think of only one time I got burned on it. The horse won anyway. But taking that option away is going too far.

[Stillriledup]

I would never be for taking away the ability to cancel bets. It used to be that way online and it sucked. Crappy gate crews, stupid track vets abound.

Taking that away would hurt more little guys who bet. I have canceled several bets after watching a horse at or in the gate. I can think of only one time I got burned on it. The horse won anyway. But taking that option away is going too far.

I've asked myself this question. "what's in it for ME that ontrack tellers get a 7 second cancel?"

And i havent figured it out yet.

[thespaah]

I would never be for taking away the ability to cancel bets. It used to be that way online and it sucked. Crappy gate crews, stupid track vets abound.

Taking that away would hurt more little guys who bet. I have canceled several bets after watching a horse at or in the gate. I can think of only one time I got burned on it. The horse won anyway. But taking that option away is going too far.
Then we are doomed to pool manipulation and a perception that the game is crooked.

[cj]

I would never be for taking away the ability to cancel bets. It used to be that way online and it sucked. Crappy gate crews, stupid track vets abound.

Taking that away would hurt more little guys who bet. I have canceled several bets after watching a horse at or in the gate. I can think of only one time I got burned on it. The horse won anyway. But taking that option away is going too far.

Like I've said to others, if you have time to watch them go to the gate and warm up and then cancel, why do you have to bet before hand?

[JustRalph]

Like I've said to others, if you have time to watch them go to the gate and warm up and then cancel, why do you have to bet before hand?

Not sure I understand the question, but I have seen horses go apeshit inside the gate and bang their heads etc after being completely fine prior to being loaded. This normally happens when they make them stand in the gate because another horse is having a problem. I am one who bets at the last second.

I get it. It's not an easy job. Especially young horses. Some places are better than others. But when I see a horse bang their head, stagger in the gate afterwards and be pulled out, paraded in front of somebody at the gate for 30 seconds or less and then be reloaded, I want to have an option. I've seen it.
Often times it's too late. The pools are closed. But not having any options is worse in my opine.

We had a horse recently who knocked two teeth out in the gate and at very low odds ran up the track. Eblouissante was reloaded I believe.

Just my opine. I want the option.

[cj]

Just my opine. I want the option.

I understand. I'm just saying if you have time to cancel if you see something like this happen, why did you already bet if this might be important to you.

In the gate is a little different though. I was more talking about horses that run off or act up in the post parade, or the paddock, or the warm up. If this is important to somebody, watch these things and then bet.

[Stillriledup]

Not sure I understand the question, but I have seen horses go apeshit inside the gate and bang their heads etc after being completely fine prior to being loaded. This normally happens when they make them stand in the gate because another horse is having a problem. I am one who bets at the last second.

I get it. It's not an easy job. Especially young horses. Some places are better than others. But when I see a horse bang their head, stagger in the gate afterwards and be pulled out, paraded in front of somebody at the gate for 30 seconds or less and then be reloaded, I want to have an option. I've seen it.
Often times it's too late. The pools are closed. But not having any options is worse in my opine.

We had a horse recently who knocked two teeth out in the gate and at very low odds ran up the track. Eblouissante was reloaded I believe.

Just my opine. I want the option.

Honestly, i wouldnt mind NOT having the option if nobody else had it either.

There is a very high price to pay for that option, a price that might not be worth it.

[SharpCat]

Like I've said to others, if you have time to watch them go to the gate and warm up and then cancel, why do you have to bet before hand?


I like to bet early because if gives me the ability to watch the horses from the paddock all the way till they load in the gate. I don't want to miss any negativity because I was waiting in line to make a bet.

[wiffleball whizz]

Like I've said to others, if you have time to watch them go to the gate and warm up and then cancel, why do you have to bet before hand?


That's how I see it :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[thespaah]

Like I've said to others, if you have time to watch them go to the gate and warm up and then cancel, why do you have to bet before hand?
I agree. If a bettor is making what I refer to as a 'strategic' wager, then they should make the bet at a time at which all the factors have been considered.

[thespaah]

I understand. I'm just saying if you have time to cancel if you see something like this happen, why did you already bet if this might be important to you.

In the gate is a little different though. I was more talking about horses that run off or act up in the post parade, or the paddock, or the warm up. If this is important to somebody, watch these things and then bet.
Perhaps changes in betting rules as well as the rules regarding gate conduct should be adjusted.
If a horse acts up in a severe manner then the track management should have wide latitude on deciding first whether or not to allow the horse to run for purse money money or to scratch the horse.
The former permits the track management from taking pressure from horsemen who obviously lose out if their horse is scratched.
The latter protects the bettor's investments.

[thespaah]

I like to bet early because if gives me the ability to watch the horses from the paddock all the way till they load in the gate. I don't want to miss any negativity because I was waiting in line to make a bet.
Ok...This situation for the most part applies to heavy hitters who are betting from home or at the track on their tablets or laptops.
Tracks are not crowded enough so that lines are long. And there is always the option of using the machines to make wagers.
If one puts forth some resourcefulness, they can find ways to make their wagering more efficient.

[thespaah]

That's how I see it :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
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