Obama apologizes......ain't it cute

[JustRalph]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/07/21352724-exclusive-obama-personally-apologizes-for-americans-losing-health-coverage?lite

He's apology is a cover up for a lie. He knows he would have never been re-elected if he told the truth.

Maybe next week he apologizes for Benghazi?

[TJDave]

He knows he would have never been re-elected if he told the truth.


He was elected by the uninsured.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Why don't we just make poll results the President and skip the middle man of having a breathing human that has to embody them?

[fast4522]

I think that we should follow our President's directive in the mid term elections, and vote because of revenge.

[NJ Stinks]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/07/21352724-exclusive-obama-personally-apologizes-for-americans-losing-health-coverage?lite

He's apology is a cover up for a lie. He knows he would have never been re-elected if he told the truth.

Maybe next week he apologizes for Benghazi?

When he didn't apologize, he was a bum. When he does apologize, he's a bum. :rolleyes:

[tucker6]

When he didn't apologize, he was a bum. When he does apologize, he's a bum. :rolleyes:
what does apologizing or not apologizing have to do with being a bum? He's a bum first and foremost.

[chrisl]

He has always been a bum, in my life rules to live by.

[NJ Stinks]

what does apologizing or not apologizing have to do with being a bum? He's a bum first and foremost.

Thanks for the clarification. :)

[ArlJim78]

1) if you like your plan you can keep it. period.
2) no people are not losing their healthcare plans
3) well a few people are losing their plans, but those were junk plans anyway.
4) it's the insurance companies fault for all this.
5) we're very sorry for those who lost coverage that they were happy with.

[Clocker]

He's apology is a cover up for a lie. He knows he would have never been re-elected if he told the truth.

Maybe next week he apologizes for Benghazi?

That wasn't an apology. It was an expression of regret that people were so stupid as to take his words literally, and not to intuit the part in the law about any changes to your policy void the grandfather clause. He does not say that he lied, or misspoke, or misled, or omitted any pertinent information. He just says that he is sorry for the jam people are in.

This is like the standard "apology" for a racist or sexist remark: I'm sorry if anyone was offended. Which is to say, I'm not sorry I said it, I'm sorry that you opted to be offended.

[baconswitchfarm]

When he didn't apologize, he was a bum. When he does apologize, he's a bum. :rolleyes:
This is like when a rapist says he is sorry in court.

[thaskalos]

That's what I've always liked about this country. One "sorry"...and all is forgiven. :)

[FantasticDan]

^
Unless you're Obama. Or a rapist. :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown:

[LottaKash]

When he didn't apologize, he was a bum. When he does apologize, he's a bum. :rolleyes:

Now you've got it.....:jump: ... Click...

[boxcar]

When he didn't apologize, he was a bum. When he does apologize, he's a bum. :rolleyes:

You know why? Because he doesn't mean it. His lies were intentional, in-your-face lies to accomplish a desired political end. Virtually all liberals believe that the end justifies the means. And now this guy is "sorry". :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[thaskalos]

You know why? Because he doesn't mean it. His lies were intentional, in-your-face lies to accomplish a desired political end. Virtually all liberals believe that the end justifies the means. And now this guy is "sorry". :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar

Now THERE is this great "open-mindedness" that all the conservatives are known for...

[davew]

He apologized because a very few people (5 - 25 million) had inadequate insurance (like no maternity care for guys -> must be like uninsured motorist insurance) and their companys decided to drop the plan,

He is SORRY because all the news stations kept repeating him saying 'you can keep your plan, period' and it just makes him look stupid or uninformed (along with making his press secretary lie on a daily basis) and now hopes he can get along with more important stuff - like figuring out how to keep the unions happy about donating multimillions to his campaign.

[Capper Al]

What Obama did was an overstatement of the word all. What he meant was anyone with creditable insurance could keep theirs. There a lot of people who purchased catastrophic plan and would go to emergency for their doctor visits which is estimated as a hidden cost to those of us with creditable insurance of $1, 000 per year. We'll get throught this also.

[tucker6]

What Obama did was an overstatement of the word all.
My mother called that lying. Just remember Al, what goes around, comes around. You and your socialist buddies will get yours in due time.

[Capper Al]

My mother called that lying. Just remember Al, what goes around, comes around. You and your socialist buddies will get yours in due time.

Another personal attack from a rightie. How original.

[Clocker]

What Obama did was an overstatement of the word all. What he meant was anyone with creditable insurance could keep theirs.

That is weak. "What he meant..."? Why didn't he just say what he meant? This is supposed to be the most intelligent and eloquent leader in the history of the world and he can't express a simple fact? That fact being that millions of policies were going to be outlawed by his administration, and that they have known about this since 2010.

He left out a highly relevant fact. When leaving out a fact changes the meaning of your statement, that is called lying.

And what is "creditable insurance"? If that is what he meant, he sure didn't say that either. What he "meant" was that you can keep your current insurance unless anything in the 20,000 pages of rules and regulation issued by HHS says you can't. And he knew damn well that the rules and regulations said exactly that for millions of people.

[tucker6]

Another personal attack from a rightie. How original.
what personal attack? I said that you were gonna get what ya give. That was a promise not a threat. :)

[Tom]

I, uh, uh, ummm, I, I, uh....I'm sorry this got reported.
I, uh, I'm sorry the press attacked me personal on this.

(For AL, who doesn't know what a REAL personal attack is)

[Clocker]

I, uh, uh, ummm, I, I, uh....I'm sorry this got reported.
I, uh, I'm sorry the press attacked me personal on this.


If you really look at his words, he does not admit that he lied, and he does not say that he is sorry for even misinforming people.

What he says is not an apology, it is an expression of regret that people did not understand what he said.

"I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me," he said in an interview Thursday with NBC News.
He does not say that he lied, he says that people were reassured by listening to him. Why were they reassured?

"We were not as clear as we needed to be about the changes that were taking place," Obama said
The most intelligent and eloquent leader in the history of the world was not as clear and transparent as he could have been. He has only been trying to sell this clunker for about 5 years, but people still don't understand how bad it is, and its just a matter of clarity, a misunderstanding.

[thaskalos]

Presidents are not in the habit of admitting to lying...or even acknowledging that they've made "mistakes".

That stuff is saved for when they write their "memoirs"...after their term as president is up.

[Thebart]

The hate in here sometimes in beyond all proportion to anything that makes sense. Where were you guys when Bush & Cheney lied us into two wars.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Now THERE is this great "open-mindedness" that all the conservatives are known for...

He did say "virtually" all - that's progress for Box. He's missed outside of the "Religious" thread.

[Capper Al]

what personal attack? I said that you were gonna get what ya give. That was a promise not a threat. :)

It sounded like bullying to me.

[Capper Al]

That is weak. "What he meant..."? Why didn't he just say what he meant? This is supposed to be the most intelligent and eloquent leader in the history of the world and he can't express a simple fact? That fact being that millions of policies were going to be outlawed by his administration, and that they have known about this since 2010.

He left out a highly relevant fact. When leaving out a fact changes the meaning of your statement, that is called lying.

And what is "creditable insurance"? If that is what he meant, he sure didn't say that either. What he "meant" was that you can keep your current insurance unless anything in the 20,000 pages of rules and regulation issued by HHS says you can't. And he knew damn well that the rules and regulations said exactly that for millions of people.

Most employee plans are creditable. That's how Mitt set it up. A good idea from the right. Get used to it. The right gets it right once in awhile.

[LottaKash]

The hate in here sometimes in beyond all proportion to anything that makes sense. Where were you guys when Bush & Cheney lied us into two wars.

Yikes!...whatta jerk he was "TOO".....And, I voted for the guy the first time....HaHa....

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp137/lottakash/bush-pope-dumber_zps70bd357c.jpg (http://s405.photobucket.com/user/lottakash/media/bush-pope-dumber_zps70bd357c.jpg.html)

[thaskalos]

The hate in here sometimes in beyond all proportion to anything that makes sense. Where were you guys when Bush & Cheney lied us into two wars.

And when did BUSH admit that he lied about anything? :)

[FantasticDan]

And when did BUSH admit that he lied about anything? :)This is pretty darn close :D ;)
tSBgGXoNgrQ

[PaceAdvantage]

The hate in here sometimes in beyond all proportion to anything that makes sense. Where were you guys when Bush & Cheney lied us into two wars.We were here, reading the posts of people (who are now defending Obama) writing non-stop about how bad Bush & Cheney are/were.

So now, the tables have been reversed.

I might ask YOU sir...where were YOU back then? Why didn't YOU come in here and "tsk tsk" all the HATERS of Bush & Cheney that were spreading their HATE around here 24/7?

You SIR, are a hypocrite of the highest order, just like everyone else (including me) in here. YOU are no better, or no worse.

Those who crucified Bush & Cheney are NO BETTER or NO WORSE than those who now crucify Obama.

And those who sit back and say little about the HATE (or whatever you want to call it...suddenly CRITICISM = HATE in Obamaland), like ME, are no worse than YOU when the same HATE (or whatever you want to call it...suddenly CRITICISM = HATE) was being posted about Bush & Cheney.

Hope that makes things more clear to you about how things function around here, and how those you accuse of posting "HATE", are the same exact type of people who were posting "HATE" about Bush & Cheney. Make no mistake about that fact.

[PaceAdvantage]

It sounded like bullying to me.Please don't do anything drastic...I'll protect you from bullying...I promise... :lol:

[Clocker]

Most employee plans are creditable.

I got news for you. They might be "creditable", whatever that means, but a lot of them are not qualified under ObamaCare. They don't have the required benefits (maternity, mental health, etc.) or they have illegal dollar limits on payouts. Because the administration delayed the employer mandate for a year, those policies aren't going to get cancellation notices until Oct., 2014. This is not an opinion. This is fact as determined by the CBO and as published by the Department of Health and Human Services in the Federal Register. By the CBO's numbers, a total of about 93 million policies will be canceled by the end of 2014.

[TJDave]

And when did BUSH admit that he lied about anything? :)

I don't know why these guys worry about lying. It's not like we would ever do anything about it.

If I were president I'd say everything with a wink and a smile.

What's life for if you can't enjoy yourself?

[Tom]

The hate in here sometimes in beyond all proportion to anything that makes sense. Where were you guys when Bush & Cheney lied us into two wars.

What lies about Afghanistan?

[Clocker]

Please don't do anything drastic...I'll protect you from bullying...I promise... :lol:

You always did like him better. :(

[Capper Al]

I got news for you. They might be "creditable", whatever that means, but a lot of them are not qualified under ObamaCare. They don't have the required benefits (maternity, mental health, etc.) or they have illegal dollar limits on payouts. Because the administration delayed the employer mandate for a year, those policies aren't going to get cancellation notices until Oct., 2014. This is not an opinion. This is fact as determined by the CBO and as published by the Department of Health and Human Services in the Federal Register. By the CBO's numbers, a total of about 93 million policies will be canceled by the end of 2014.

The biggest single factor for an insurance being creditable is not having to show up at emergency for your doctor visits and sticking it to the American people.

[Capper Al]

Please don't do anything drastic...I'll protect you from bullying...I promise... :lol:

Sounds like you're a bully too. Attack! The rich have what little mind you have in their hands.

[Clocker]

Where were you guys when Bush & Cheney lied us into two wars.

There is no evidence that Bush lied. He believed that there were WMDs in Iraq. I personally believe that the evidence was inconclusive and that he acted rashly, and I believe that he was at best an average president, but I also believe that he acted in good faith.

[FantasticDan]

We were here, reading the posts of people (who are now defending Obama) writing non-stop about how bad Bush & Cheney are/were. So now, the tables have been reversed. I might ask YOU sir...where were YOU back then? Why didn't YOU come in here and "tsk tsk" all the HATERS of Bush & Cheney that were spreading their HATE around here 24/7? :lol: I've said it before, but the anti-Bush threads back in the day don't even remotely come close to the amount of anti-Obama threads. Seriously, it's like 100-1, I've checked on many occasions. It's laughable to suggest otherwise.

[Saratoga_Mike]

:lol: I've said it before, but the anti-Bush threads back in the day don't even remotely come close to the amount of anti-Obama threads. Seriously, it's like 100-1, I've checked on many occasions. It's laughable to suggest otherwise.

Do you have a MediaMatters link to prove this?

[HUSKER55]

ARE you guys referring to credible information as information from democrats only?

just asking.

[FantasticDan]

Do you have a MediaMatters link to prove this?Hmm, not sure. Will FactCheck.org do? :p

I will qualify my previous statement tho by saying that all these anti-Obama threads are mostly spearheaded by a very small group of people with a lot of time and contempt on their hands. Without their fine contributions, traffic would drop off significantly on O/T.

PA probably sends a case of champagne to their house every Christmas. :ThmbUp:

[Clocker]

The biggest single factor for an insurance being creditable is not having to show up at emergency for your doctor visits and sticking it to the American people.

Creditable counts for nothing under ObamaCare. About 80 million of those folks are going to be getting bad news from their employers in October. And it ain't going to be a treat for Halloween.

[tucker6]

Hmm, not sure. Will FactCheck.org do? :p

I will qualify my previous statement tho by saying that all these anti-Obama threads are mostly spearheaded by a very small group of people with a lot of time and contempt on their hands. Without their fine contributions, traffic would drop off significantly on O/T.

PA probably sends a case of champagne to their house every Christmas. :ThmbUp:
New Year's Eve actually, but point taken.

[Tom]

:lol: I've said it before, but the anti-Bush threads back in the day don't even remotely come close to the amount of anti-Obama threads. Seriously, it's like 100-1, I've checked on many occasions. It's laughable to suggest otherwise.

That is because Bush was nowhere near the total failure, jerk, idiot, liar, POS that Obama is. Most of the Obama stuff writes itself! :D

[dartman51]

:lol: I've said it before, but the anti-Bush threads back in the day don't even remotely come close to the amount of anti-Obama threads. Seriously, it's like 100-1, I've checked on many occasions. It's laughable to suggest otherwise.

I don't suppose that had anything to do with the fact that Conservatives outnumber the Libs, on this board, 100 to 1. :eek:

[Thebart]

I think I'll follow my grandmother's advice that you should never get into a public argument with a fool because other people may not know who the fool is. I'll stick to horse racing which I love. This place would be better off if it didn't have any of this "off topic" ranting. It contributes nothing to the enjoyment of racing or wagering.

For your information I wasn't here when Bush was in office because i didn't even know about this site at that time. Have a nice day and a great life.

We were here, reading the posts of people (who are now defending Obama) writing non-stop about how bad Bush & Cheney are/were.

So now, the tables have been reversed.

I might ask YOU sir...where were YOU back then? Why didn't YOU come in here and "tsk tsk" all the HATERS of Bush & Cheney that were spreading their HATE around here 24/7?

You SIR, are a hypocrite of the highest order, just like everyone else (including me) in here. YOU are no better, or no worse.

Those who crucified Bush & Cheney are NO BETTER or NO WORSE than those who now crucify Obama

And those who sit back and say little about the HATE (or whatever you want to call it...suddenly CRITICISM = HATE in Obamaland), like ME, are no worse than YOU when the same HATE (or whatever you want to call it...suddenly CRITICISM = HATE) was being posted about Bush & Cheney.

Hope that makes things more clear to you about how things function around here, and how those you accuse of posting "HATE", are the same exact type of people who were posting "HATE" about Bush & Cheney. Make no mistake about that fact.

[Greyfox]

This place would be better off if it didn't have any of this "off topic" ranting. It contributes nothing to the enjoyment of racing or wagering.

.

Is someone twisting your arm at the keyboard and forcing you to read "off topic?" :rolleyes:

[Thebart]

My mistake. Occasionally I venture into a neighborhood clearly not for me. It won't happen again.

Is someone twisting your arm at the keyboard and forcing you to read "off topic?" :rolleyes:

[Capper Al]

Creditable counts for nothing under ObamaCare. About 80 million of those folks are going to be getting bad news from their employers in October. And it ain't going to be a treat for Halloween.

You didn't address my point.

[Clocker]

You didn't address my point.

I didn't see one relevant to the discussion. You want to discuss a concept that you made up called "creditable" insurance, and you are the only one who knows what it is. I don't want to get stuck in that tar baby, thank you very much.

[thaskalos]

I think I'll follow my grandmother's advice that you should never get into a public argument with a fool because other people may not know who the fool is. I'll stick to horse racing which I love. This place would be better off if it didn't have any of this "off topic" ranting. It contributes nothing to the enjoyment of racing or wagering.

For your information I wasn't here when Bush was in office because i didn't even know about this site at that time. Have a nice day and a great life.
My friend...don't take the rude reception you got here personally. It has nothing to do with you on a personal level.

It's just a well-calculated strategy to insure that the liberals of this site remain severely outmanned. :)

[JustRalph]

Presidents are not in the habit of admitting to lying...or even acknowledging that they've made "mistakes".

That stuff is saved for when they write their "memoirs"...after their term as president is up.

Which is why I was shocked by this. Somewhere there are panicked advisers who couldn't get past this.

[JustRalph]

:lol: I've said it before, but the anti-Bush threads back in the day don't even remotely come close to the amount of anti-Obama threads. Seriously, it's like 100-1, I've checked on many occasions. It's laughable to suggest otherwise.

Things changed with Obama for one reason. The media anointed him and abdicated their job and traditional position. It was the first time they blatantly never cared about revealing their blatant attempt at getting a progressive liberal elected. The "journo" list was infiltrated in late 2007 and when it finally came out it was ignored by many in the media. Covering it would have cost people their jobs. But it did become a watershed moment and an us against them mentally became more serious.

Toss in the swift boat leftovers and you end up with a sitting U.S. president making a speech where he implores his supporters to bring a gun to a knife fight. Not long after his re-election campaign actually accused their opponent of
Killing a women. This is the same man who laments gun violence.

The other reason all bets are off is the right is being vindicated daily by the extraordinary failures piling up. Those on the right saw through this guy from the beginning. The incredible pedestal this fraud was placed on during the first campaign was so off the chart that he actually had people convinced that he would "spread the wealth" (see his contact with Joe the plumber) around in a manner in which they would no longer have to worry about paying their mortgages and buying gasoline.

This is a man that on election night he stood at a microphone and literally said he was going to make the oceans recede. He promised to be the most transparent ever. The most responsible. He promised to put bills on the internet for people to read. Then bribed his way into passing a bill that even the Congressmen didn't even read.

He received a Nobel Prize by being propped up as a savior. Then proceeded to kill civilians in foreign countries at a rate and with such ferocity that he makes Bush look like a candy striper.

He still practices rendition while applauding actors and producers who make movies about the shame of the practice. He sits in fundraising dinners raising money with the worlds tech leaders, accepts millions from them and then acts in collusion with them to ease drop on every single American citizen. All the while denying the fact. While at the same time his Attorney General uses the courts to force them to cooperate.

He parades across the world in an apology tour while simultaneously holding hundreds of prisoners that he promised to release during his campaign in Guantanamo. Knowing full well that the same people he is apologizing to support those same prisoners behind the scenes. Playing a charade for the benefit of those gullible enough to buy into it, in both our country and theirs.

And you want to know why the push back is so enormous? We are going to lose a decade to this phony. I could go on......

[PaceAdvantage]

:lol: I've said it before, but the anti-Bush threads back in the day don't even remotely come close to the amount of anti-Obama threads. Seriously, it's like 100-1, I've checked on many occasions. It's laughable to suggest otherwise.Who said anything about amount? They were here though...every day...every week....every bit as vicious and every bit as ridiculous.

[PaceAdvantage]

I think I'll follow my grandmother's advice that you should never get into a public argument with a fool because other people may not know who the fool is. I'll stick to horse racing which I love. This place would be better off if it didn't have any of this "off topic" ranting. It contributes nothing to the enjoyment of racing or wagering.

For your information I wasn't here when Bush was in office because i didn't even know about this site at that time. Have a nice day and a great life.Why should off topic be removed? You lack the self control not to click the off topic link? So remove off topic altogether because you don't approve?

Typical.

[PaceAdvantage]

My friend...don't take the rude reception you got here personally. It has nothing to do with you on a personal level.

It's just a well-calculated strategy to insure that the liberals of this site remain severely outmanned. :)Yeah, that's it...

[delayjf]

It's just a well-calculated strategy

Have you ever noticed you never see PA and Dick Cheney together at the same time - hmm. :cool:

[Capper Al]

I didn't see one relevant to the discussion. You want to discuss a concept that you made up called "creditable" insurance, and you are the only one who knows what it is. I don't want to get stuck in that tar baby, thank you very much.

How complicated can it be? Most insurances being eliminated depend on using the emergency room for routine doctor visits. This cost the rest of us with insurance about $1, 000 a year hidden in our insurance cost. Surely a professor should be able to grasp this.

[JustRalph]

How complicated can it be? Most insurances being eliminated depend on using the emergency room for routine doctor visits. This cost the rest of us with insurance about $1, 000 a year hidden in our insurance cost. Surely a professor should be able to grasp this.

Total bullshit

[Clocker]

Most insurances being eliminated depend on using the emergency room for routine doctor visits. This cost the rest of us with insurance about $1, 000 a year hidden in our insurance cost.

Do you have any evidence to support either of these claims?

[FantasticDan]

Total bullshit
Do you have any evidence to support either of these claims?Well, there's this article I noticed last month..

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/10/truth-obamacare-already-insured

According to the 2005 study, by Families USA, a national nonprofit organization that conducts research on health care, the uninsured pay more than one-third of their total medical bills to emergency rooms and other medical facilities. (Before someone snarls, “Make them pay all of it,” I think I need to toss out that old cliché, you can’t get blood from a stone.) That leaves about $43 billion that goes uncompensated. But hospitals can’t suck up those kinds of losses without closing, so that amount is paid for by taxes and increases in insurance-policy premiums. That’s right—your taxes and your insurance-policy premiums are already paying for the uninsured.

Generalizations might be hard to understand, so let’s talk dollars and cents. In 2005, increased costs of premiums due to uncompensated care from the uninsured being passed on by increased health-care prices averaged $922 for families with insurance provided by their jobs. For people with employer-provided insurance, that number was $341.

But remember, those are national averages. The increases in premiums caused by passing on the costs for the uninsured are highest, of course, in states with the highest numbers of uninsured. And those are among the states fighting the hardest against providing insurance through Obamacare.

Take Texas: the average increase of premium costs caused by uncompensated care for the uninsured in an employer-provided policy for a family was $1,551 in 2005. In Montana, $1,578. Alaska, $1,446. Idaho, $1,432. North Carolina, $1,130.

Now, there are other states where residents are paying more in added premiums—in excess of $1,700 for families in New Mexico, West Virginia, and Oklahoma—but I selected the first five states I mentioned to make a broader point. Each of those states is among those that have rejected an expansion of Medicaid under Obamacare that would be financed by the federal government. In other words, in some twisted, illogical idea of protecting their citizens, they are keeping their policy costs *higher while simultaneously denying less-expensive medical care to people who are not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid now.

[thaskalos]

There is no evidence that Bush lied. He believed that there were WMDs in Iraq. I personally believe that the evidence was inconclusive and that he acted rashly, and I believe that he was at best an average president, but I also believe that he acted in good faith.

When you want to be a "wartime president"...then you have to make sure that you get your facts straight. You cannot afford to "act rashly"...because your mistakes cause death and destruction. And "acting in good faith" is small consolation for the mayhem that is caused by an unjust war.

Any man who presides over an unjust war which causes the deaths of at least half a million innocent people cannot be considered anything close to being an average president, IMO...no matter what country such a president represents.

[Clocker]

Well, there's this article I noticed last month..

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/10/truth-obamacare-already-insured

That article is about people that do not have insurance. What I am disputing is the claim that people who are having their plans canceled had inferior coverage that forced them to use emergency rooms, pushing the costs onto others.

[Clocker]

Total bullshit

Are you saying that his claims are not "creditable"? :eek:

[JustRalph]

Are you saying that his claims are not "creditable"? :eek:


That article is about people that do not have insurance. What I am disputing is the claim that people who are having their plans canceled had inferior coverage that forced them to use emergency rooms, pushing the costs onto others.

You said it in your second quote. The people being canceled are not primarily ER users. That's crap. Ask Pandy if his mom goes to the ER instead of the Regular Doc

[Clocker]

You said it in your second quote. The people being canceled are not primarily ER users. That's crap. Ask Pandy if his mom goes to the ER instead of the Regular Doc

Anecdotal evidence. She is one of the dozen or so people in the country who did not have a crappy, worthless policy. A knowledgeable lib will be along shortly to explain this.

[Saratoga_Mike]

That article is about people that do not have insurance. What I am disputing is the claim that people who are having their plans canceled had inferior coverage that forced them to use emergency rooms, pushing the costs onto others.

He's trying to say we must cancel these "inferior" plans for the good of all. Otherwise, hospitals will continue to rack up bad debt through their ERs, and those costs will be shifted to other paying hospital consumers. There is something to cost shift problem, but that doesn't justify ruining a functioning insurance market.

[Clocker]

He's trying to say we must cancel these "inferior" plans for the good of all.

With zero evidence, except the word of Obama and Jay Carney, that the policies being canceled are inferior.

[Saratoga_Mike]

With zero evidence, except the word of Obama and Jay Carney, that the policies being canceled are inferior.

Inferior is in the eyes of the beholder - many people buy these "inferior" plans b/c they're tailored to their own personal needs. But liberal Dems generally believe they know best.

[Clocker]

But liberal Dems generally believe they know best.

The policies the Dems want everyone to buy aren't insurance, they are service contracts. How much sense does it make for a healthy person to pay hundreds of dollars a month more for health insurance because it pays most of the cost of a doctor's visit? It's like buying expensive auto insurance that lets you get an oil change for a small co-pay.

[reckless]

The hate in here sometimes in beyond all proportion to anything that makes sense. Where were you guys when Bush & Cheney lied us into two wars.

And what lies were they ?

Weapons of mass destruction ? Well, there were plenty of chemical plants found, and there's been many people that said WMD's were shipped from Iraq to places like Syria all during the time Bush waited for the UN to do the right thing, along with the Democrat Party-led Senate.

Comparing Bush and Cheney (you forgot to mention Haliburton) to dopes, cowards and villains like Obama, Biden, Hillary and Kerry is laughable at best.

It's your lack of common sense that's questioned.

[JustRalph]

Oops........

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/09/former-msnbc-host-liked-his-plan-but/

A former Lefty MSNBC star ain't happy

[Clocker]

Oops........

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/09/former-msnbc-host-liked-his-plan-but/

A former Lefty MSNBC star ain't happy

Friends don't let friends buy worthless policies:

This apparently led to a lengthy twitter exchange with various Obamacare supporters who attempted to convince him that losing his plan was actually a good thing, since it wasn’t a very good plan to begin with.

Apparently, drinking enough Kool Aid allows you to psychically divine the terms and conditions and benefits of other people's insurance policies, and to intuit the appropriateness of such policies relative to the needs of the policy holder.

[PaceAdvantage]

mostpost has a lot of clones out there apparently. And Capper Al too.

They'll both tell you what's good for you, even though they don't know squat about you...as long as they can prop up Obama, that's all that matters...

[soupman2]

"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."

State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois)
Speech at Federal Plaza, Chicago, Illinois
October 2, 2002

[Tom]

If you like your dictator, you can keep your dictator!

[Clocker]

If you like your dictator, you can keep your dictator!

If we like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period.

[HUSKER55]

why should someone else get to define when a policy is good or bad for me?

my health and my doctor are none of your business

[Clocker]

why should someone else get to define when a policy is good or bad for me?

my health and my doctor are none of your business

You just don't know what is good for you.

Resistance is futile.

[rastajenk]

Not to mention unpatriotic.