What does vegas do with this boat TB/SEA game

[wiffleball whizz]

If this goes in at 21-7 what do they do with this 2nd half?!?!?!? U can't let public get free play on Seattle

[horses4courses]

If this goes in at 21-7 what do they do with this 2nd half?!?!?!? U can't let public get free play on Seattle

So they made Seattle a 14.5 point favorite for 2nd half...... :lol:
Who do you like?

[wiffleball whizz]

So they made Seattle a 14.5 point favorite for 2nd half...... :lol:
Who do you like?

Did they? I purposely took a shower to avoid that decision H4C Hahahahaha

It seems to easy to take SEA

[horses4courses]

Did they? I purposely took a shower to avoid that decision H4C Hahahahaha

It seems to easy to take SEA

I would have requested a special prop line on OT happening....... :faint:

[Stillriledup]

lol this is obviously a fixed game, no other way you can slice it.

[wiffleball whizz]

lol this is obviously a fixed game, no other way you can slice it.


10000000000000000000000000000 percent fact!!!

[wiffleball whizz]

I don't know who they are buy they are getting it all


Getting it all

[TheEdge07]

I don't know who they are buy they are getting it all


Getting it all

Wiff one of the best REHEARSE games this year..

[wiffleball whizz]

Wiff one of the best REHEARSE games this year..


Just debating when the script was written

[PaceAdvantage]

Are you guys for real? This is just some sort of inside jokery, correct?

[Stillriledup]

Are you guys for real? This is just some sort of inside jokery, correct?

You got us, its an inside joke, all pro sports leagues are 100% honest, all the games are on the up and up. Since there isnt huge money involved, the sports leagues have no reason to cheat, you caught us red handed. :D

[Relwob Owner]

Are you guys for real? This is just some sort of inside jokery, correct?

Amazingly enough, its not. They repeat the same stuff over and over every week. The league apparently controls what the coaches do and the coaches then tell their rosters what to do in order to conform to how the NFL wants the games to turn out. Seems reasonable, right? :bang: :bang:

[PaceAdvantage]

You got us, its an inside joke, all pro sports leagues are 100% honest, all the games are on the up and up. Since there isnt huge money involved, the sports leagues have no reason to cheat, you caught us red handed. :DYou must be one miserable **** to be around... :lol:

Do you get any enjoyment out of anything? Or is everything just one big hassle and "the world is against me" kind of thing?

[Maximillion]

Is it possible Seattle isnt as good as advertised?

[wiffleball whizz]

Is it possible Seattle isnt as good as advertised?


No......;

Carolina buries them at home and then TB almost wires this game at 30/1

This Texan game looks like a boat job.....but the whizz snuffed it out


Hey PA when were all in the tent at the spa next year give me 10 minutes of your time ill have you convinced these games are boat jobs

[Relwob Owner]

No......;

Carolina buries them at home and then TB almost wires this game at 30/1

This Texan game looks like a boat job.....but the whizz snuffed it out


Hey PA when were all in the tent at the spa next year give me 10 minutes of your time ill have you convinced these games are boat jobs


The Texans game looks like a game where Houston has a quarterback playing much better than Schaub did and the Colts have an offense sorely missing their best receiver.

I am somewhat of a conspiracy guy in general but your theory about the NFL being somehow fixed is absurd.

[wiffleball whizz]

The Texans game looks like a game where Houston has a quarterback playing much better than Schaub did and the Colts have an offense sorely missing their best receiver.

I am somewhat of a conspiracy guy in general but your theory about the NFL being somehow fixed is absurd.


I'm not sure fixed is the right word....more like rehearsed

There's too much bs.....

[Relwob Owner]

I'm not sure fixed is the right word....more like rehearsed

There's too much bs.....

Still absurd IMO. You obviously feel strongly about it, since you seem to post about it over and over and over and over....so, how do you think they accomplish this given the amount of teams, coaches and players who would have to be involved?

[wiffleball whizz]

Still absurd IMO. You obviously feel strongly about it, since you seem to post about it over and over and over and over....so, how do you think they accomplish this given the amount of teams, coaches and players who would have to be involved?


I don't know how to explain it......

But as you see in our contest I see what's going on


I think "they" wanted buffalo today but messed up plays messed it up for "they"

You gotta beat the public perception

[Relwob Owner]

I don't know how to explain it......

But as you see in our contest I see what's going on


I think "they" wanted buffalo today but messed up plays messed it up for "they"

You gotta beat the public perception

OK. If you are going to make an assertion over and over and over and over and over, probably a good idea to be able to explain why and how it happens.

Many are familiar with the idea of betting against the public, which you have done with success in the pool. However, that seems to have little correlation with the games being "rehearsed". It just shows that most people are wrong when they pick games, especially ones that seem obvious where Vegas knows better.

[wiffleball whizz]

OK. If you are going to make an assertion over and over and over and over and over, probably a good idea to be able to explain why and how it happens.

Many are familiar with the idea of betting against the public, which you have done with success in the pool. However, that seems to have little correlation with the games being "rehearsed". It just shows that most people are wrong when they pick games, especially ones that seem obvious where Vegas knows better.


Where did the eagles wake up from today?

So many things are unexplainable......

[newtothegame]

so, because they are "unexplainable" to you, they must be fixed???? :lol:
I love how you can "see it" all....yet you are the first to claim the games are fixed. If you could see it, you must be filthy rich betting what you can "see"....right? Otherwise, you can't see chit (until the game goes against you) then you make these claims......

Ive seen you sit here and bitch about black jack.....it must be rigged....
Horses, yeah they must be rigged......
Football, yeah, must be rigged......

You claim to "see it"........

I would suggest we "see something" alright........

Its not the games are fixed so much though......:lol:

[wiffleball whizz]

so, because they are "unexplainable" to you, they must be fixed???? :lol:
I love how you can "see it" all....yet you are the first to claim the games are fixed. If you could see it, you must be filthy rich betting what you can "see"....right? Otherwise, you can't see chit (until the game goes against you) then you make these claims......

Ive seen you sit here and bitch about black jack.....it must be rigged....
Horses, yeah they must be rigged......
Football, yeah, must be rigged......

You claim to "see it"........

I would suggest we "see something" alright........

Its not the games are fixed so much though......:lol:


Show me where I ever said blackjack is fixed........in my opinion and I think at 32 I'm sharper then most thinking u can count cards when 70-110 cards are buried is comical


The nba is fix free.....just ask the nba ref a few years ago

I'm sure the NFL refs don't throw flags to get a extra first down to get that 7 or throw a phantom flag for holding to get that under home


That's what I got a prob with

[cj]

That was a weird time for the Colts to go for 2.

[newtothegame]

Show me where I ever said blackjack is fixed........in my opinion and I think at 32 I'm sharper then most thinking u can count cards when 70-110 cards are buried is comical


The nba is fix free.....just ask the nba ref a few years ago

I'm sure the NFL refs don't throw flags to get a extra first down to get that 7 or throw a phantom flag for holding to get that under home


That's what I got a prob with
See, here (the bolded part) is where I think you miss the "boat".....

Sure, there was an instance where a ref in the NBA got caught. I am sure there have been other instances as well in other sports. Problem is, there would have to be so many involved to make the "rehearsed" happen. The government cant even keep secrets, yet players who are out getting in trouble all the time can???????? That is the only thing laughable.

In this weeks picks, A LOT of people had my beloved Saints as BB. I guess the fix was in on that game as they stunk the joint up. Or did you have it right, therefore it was all legit???

Tampa came out and played with intensity. The ran a few gimmick plays and got a lead. Problem is, in the end they lost to the BETTER team. Sure, Vegas had that spread high and Seattle has been a pretty good team at home the past few years. Today, they probably overlooked TB a little and got caught early on.

[horses4courses]

To say that either college, or NFL, games have fixed outcomes on a regular basis is, in my opinion, far from the truth.
Can it happen? I wouldn't doubt it.

Here's an old article on the subject:

http://www.moldea.com/nfl.html


From personal experience, I worked in legal bookmaking for many years.
There was one occasion, in January 2002, in a meaningless Monday night game, where my suspicions were raised.

The reason I paid special attention to the outcome was that a manager work colleague had told me that a contact of his (a bookmaker in Louisiana) had mentioned that the Vikings were "going to lie down" against Baltimore that night.
Did I run down the street with a fist full of cash to bet "the lock"? No.
But it did catch my interest....

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200201070rav.htm

The Ravens had been pretty heavily bet before the game - the opening -10 had risen as high as -13. The money was understandable, though, as the Vikings had a poor losing record, and it was the final regular season game.
Still, there wasn't much buyback money to be found at any number for the underdog. I'm not sure if any book in Nevada hit the next magical buyback number of +14 - that was the only possibility of seeing Minnesota money, but it also left exposure to getting middled.

The game was pretty ho-hum for the most part.
Baltimore were not, however, going to blow out the Vikings that night.
That was clear in the 3rd quarter, but it was also evident that the Vikings had no offense with third stringer Spergon Wynn at quarterback. Mike Tice was standing in as head coach for his first game ever - Dennis Green had been recently fired.

Late in the 4th quarter, it looked highly likely that the Vikings would cover.
They were losing 12-3, and the Vikes had the ball at the two minute warning.
Then came the most bizarre play I can recall seeing. Vikings QB Wynn fumbled the ball inside his own 20 under minimal pressure from Peter Boulware (it was called a sack with an 11 yd loss) and the ball was recovered by Sharper of the Ravens, who ran it in 8 yds for a defensive TD.

That play looked like a total set-up, but I could never be totally certain that this had been the case.
Anyway, Stover kicked the extra point, and the Ravens win 19-3, and cover.

Was it a fix?
I'm not sure, but it definitely didn't look good.
I have no idea who might have benefited from the outcome, and never heard another word about it.
Never would have thought a thing about it had I not heard the pre-game info supposedly originating in Louisiana.
The source of this phone conversation is a guy that I have known a long time, and I trust. His Louisiana contact? No idea who that was, and don't want to know.

While I still believe that the vast majority of sporting events are played with integrity, that small possibility of a fixed outcome is always there.

[newtothegame]

Show me where I ever said blackjack is fixed........in my opinion and I think at 32 I'm sharper then most thinking u can count cards when 70-110 cards are buried is comical


The nba is fix free.....just ask the nba ref a few years ago

I'm sure the NFL refs don't throw flags to get a extra first down to get that 7 or throw a phantom flag for holding to get that under home


That's what I got a prob with
and for the record, you didn't say BJ was fixed, you claimed it was unbeatable....(even though there are documented people who beat the game). Guess since you cant beat it, and you also say you are sharper then most, the game obviously must be unplayable......:bang:

[Relwob Owner]

Where did the eagles wake up from today?

So many things are unexplainable......



Not really

Boat Game Number 1-Seattle totally overlooked Tampa, who has a young QB playing much better

Boat Game Number 2-Wayne is out, so Indy's offense is having a harder time. Houston has a young QB who is moving the team and as a result, the defense is playing more inspired ball knowing their quarterback wont throw a Pick 6 every game and bury them.

Boat Game number three-Philly has been up and down all year and they put it together today. I know, this really hard to fathom against a juggernaut like the Raiders

Still waiting for you to explain how exactly the games are fixed.

[wiffleball whizz]

and for the record, you didn't say BJ was fixed, you claimed it was unbeatable....(even though there are documented people who beat the game). Guess since you cant beat it, and you also say you are sharper then most, the game obviously must be unplayable......:bang:


Go play blackjack and let me know how u do......ill be rooting for you :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:


I feel very strongly about my posts.......especially when it comes to casino gaming

In 2013 blackjack is unbeatable long run

[Relwob Owner]

That was a weird time for the Colts to go for 2.

Seemed kind of early to me as well. I never understand why coaches do that so early but blame it on simple bad decision making.

[wiffleball whizz]

Not really

Boat Game Number 1-Seattle totally overlooked Tampa, who has a young QB playing much better

Boat Game Number 2-Wayne is out, so Indy's offense is having a harder time. Houston has a young QB who is moving the team and as a result, the defense is playing more inspired ball knowing their quarterback wont throw a Pick 6 every game and bury them.

Boat Game number three-Philly has been up and down all year and they put it together today. I know, this really hard to fathom against a juggernaut like the Raiders

Still waiting for you to explain how exactly the games are fixed.


Told u I can't explain it


Just like horses odds dropping during race.......can't explain it

[Robert Fischer]

I can see that in games where the public all wants to take 1 side of the action (see Hugh's "Against the Public" threads) that control of the spread could be lucrative, especially to operations that concentrate regional action.

As far as fixing a zillion games... I don't know. Even the above scenario doesn't happen all that frequently or Hugh would be 100-0(exaggeration) in his selections.

I suppose if they have a few good men, that the temptation would be to push the envelope a little in more games than just the "against the public" games, possibly most of the games in which that crew or key official(s) worked.

I'm no expert on this subject.

[Quagmire]

The boat is taking on water.

[newtothegame]

No......;

Carolina buries them at home and then TB almost wires this game at 30/1

This Texan game looks like a boat job.....but the whizz snuffed it out


Hey PA when were all in the tent at the spa next year give me 10 minutes of your time ill have you convinced these games are boat jobs

Hmmmm seems Indy didn't go along with your assessment. Guess they didn't get enough players involved lol

[wiffleball whizz]

Hmmmm seems Indy didn't go along with your assessment. Guess they didn't get enough players involved lol

Yes I was just thinking about that......you dont think the players worrying if there coach is still living affected them do you?

Some posts on here are dumber then mine

[proximity]

That was a weird time for the Colts to go for 2.

we shouldn't have done that.

also it didn't turn out to be a big deal because they blocked the fg, but early in the game I thought Houston should have taken that penalty against us and moved us into long fg range.

horrible game except for t.y.

[newtothegame]

Yes I was just thinking about that......you dont think the players worrying if there coach is still living affected them do you?

Some posts on here are dumber then mine
Oh, so now players mindsets can have an effect? Yet, when I spoke of the possibility that sea could of overlooked tb, you never even gave that a possibility ( as you didn't mention it then). How convenient!
I'm sure you're right though.... After all, your smarter then most ( just ask yourself).

[Robert Goren]

If you think the games are "rehearsed", why do you bet them? Do you really think you can out guess the fixers?

[Bettowin]

Kubiak going down at halftime was obviously a "fix" to make sure his players laid down in the 2nd half and lost. Didn't anyone see the obvious? ;(

[Relwob Owner]

Yes I was just thinking about that......you dont think the players worrying if there coach is still living affected them do you?

Some posts on here are dumber then mine


Many teams use a coach or player going down as a motivator so them being negatively affected doesnt make sense. It doesnt matter, though, because if it was a boat game as "The Whizz" claimed to have figured out beforehand, wouldn't Indy still have found a way to lose?

You have even admitted you cant explain your theory and I dont anticipate you trying to start now.

[newtothegame]

Not too mention, if the coach going down was the reason Hou tanked, why did they wait till the fourth if they were so distraught? It happened at the half, and throughout the third, they held their own. It wasn't until the fourth (when it was already known Kubiak was ok), that Houston faded.....

[Relwob Owner]

Not too mention, if the coach going down was the reason Hou tanked, why did they wait till the fourth if they were so distraught? It happened at the half, and throughout the third, they held their own. It wasn't until the fourth (when it was already known Kubiak was ok), that Houston faded.....

Good points

[Saratoga_Mike]

Yes I was just thinking about that......you dont think the players worrying if there coach is still living affected them do you?

Some posts on here are dumber then mine

Classic line!!!

[precocity]

No......;

Carolina buries them at home and then TB almost wires this game at 30/1

This Texan game looks like a boat job.....but the whizz snuffed it out


Hey PA when were all in the tent at the spa next year give me 10 minutes of your time ill have you convinced these games are boat jobs

have bet dallas every week but I knew this week was going to be a boat job. should of went with minn.

[wiffleball whizz]

Classic line!!!


Gotta call it like I see it mike!!!!

[newtothegame]

Gotta call it like I see it mike!!!!

Just as you "see" the boat jobs, yet were shown to be wrong?
or just as you "see" yourself as smarter then most? (see above).

[Stillriledup]

You must be one miserable **** to be around... :lol:

Do you get any enjoyment out of anything? Or is everything just one big hassle and "the world is against me" kind of thing?

My posting persona and style is completely different from how i am in real life.

I promise. ;)

[TheEdge07]

Wiff which games were rehearse this week....?.

[wiffleball whizz]

Wiff which games were rehearse this week....?.


Well the jags and rams were bet down like they knew the results.....

How in gods creation can the rams go up 35-0 win out the phone call being made to the colts and telling them to lay down

[TheEdge07]

Well the jags and rams were bet down like they knew the results.....

How in gods creation can the rams go up 35-0 win out the phone call being made to the colts and telling them to lay down

Colts didnt even shown up for rehearsell...Nfl wont let jags draft #1

[wiffleball whizz]

Go watch the espn 30 for 30 "broke" and let me know if these guys had ways of putting extra cash away from retirement.......

Cannot explain 35-0

[TheEdge07]

Go watch the espn 30 for 30 "broke" and let me know if these guys had ways of putting extra cash away from retirement.......

Cannot explain 35-0

Luck was a no try..almost like Filion having a chance for cover but decides he rather get boxed in for next weeks TRY..

[wiffleball whizz]

Luck was a no try..almost like Filion having a chance for cover but decides he rather get boxed in for next weeks TRY..

Hahahahaha :lol: :lol:

Luck sat in!!!!

Got away 6th from the rail

The colt regime will be cashing ram money line tix till thanksgiving

[Ocala Mike]

Yep; Indy came in second in that game, Herve's favorite finish.

[TheEdge07]

Yep; Indy came in second in that game, Herve's favorite finish.

Herve once told a good friend of mine over dinner he wouldve won 15000 more races if not for stiffing horses

[cj]

Herve once told a good friend of mine over dinner he wouldve won 15000 more races if not for stiffing horses

I remember Herve at Freehold well. If he was even money or less, you could take it to the bank that he would bury the horse third on the rail.

[wiffleball whizz]

I remember Herve at Freehold well. If he was even money or less, you could take it to the bank that he would bury the horse third on the rail.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No reason to win at 3/5 when you can get 7/2 next week :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[thaskalos]

And then they wonder why the harness mutuel handles are what they are...

[wiffleball whizz]

Off topic but not really

When I lived in Connecticut they took dania jai alai.....

One week solazabel is 1/9 from the :1: he did the rich grunder and made every pole a winning won

Next week against the SAME field from the :2: the same as the 1 in that they play the same first game drops a routine shot and then on the rotation just to stay out of the number he over serves..........another stink bomb

But with 8 people betting and 5 people in the stands watching it gets swept under rug

[Stillriledup]

And then they wonder why the harness mutuel handles are what they are...

Funny how the #1 harness Mecca actually kicks guys out. I dont see major thoroughbred tracks kicking out trainers who have horses mysteriously drop dead, those guys and gals get embraced. Harness racing also makes horses qualify if they have missed time, they have to put a non betting PP line to protect the public....no such safeguard in thoroughbreds.

[PaceAdvantage]

Herve once told a good friend of mine over dinner he wouldve won 15000 more races if not for stiffing horsesOh, the stories you tell...

[TheEdge07]

Oh, the stories you tell...

GOD.AS.MY.WITNESS.THERE ALL.TRUE

[wiffleball whizz]

Oh, the stories you tell...

PA how does it feel to know u have the greatest conglomeration of conspiracy theorists of any Internet group in the world,...

Believe me when I tell you that you should walk around proud that we take our hard conspiracies and tell them here :lol: :lol: :lol:

Again home dog 2.5 or less wins

I have no reason to lie that when Miami went up 4 I was ironing my shirt knowing the bucs were gonna go right down the field

Jus like I told cjs dad at the bar that the patriots were gonn go down field on
The saints

All rehearsed......just like wrestlemania 3 at the Pontiac silver dome....the script was written