Right-Wing Media Pick Up Health Insurance "Cancellation" Story NBC Has Walked Back

[maddog42]

Most of those policies that were cancelled were bare bones (almost worthless) policies that don't meet the new minimum standard.

"It was widely reported in 2010 that the Obama administration acknowledged (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/29/fox-shocked-by-obamacare-facts-fox-reported-in/196647) that "40 to 67 percent" of customers would likely not be "grandfathered" in if insurance policies were significantly changed (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/29/fox-shocked-by-obamacare-facts-fox-reported-in/196647) by insurance companies. "

This stuff that millions of people will lose their policies is much more complicated than that. In many cases they will be offered better policies and cheaper, in some cases not.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/29/right-wing-media-pick-up-health-insurance-cance/196650

[Boris]

(almost worthless)
None of your links contained these words. Who decided they were "almost worthless"? Certainly not the people that bought them?

[Let's Roll]

Any link to Mediamatters is "worthless" :ThmbDown:

[dartman51]

None of your links contained these words. Who decided they were "almost worthless"? Certainly not the people that bought them?

Consider the source. MEDIAMATTERS.ORG. (BULLSHIT ALERT!!!

Obama said, AND I QUOTE, " If you like your PLAN, you'll be able to keep it, PERIOD." THAT was a FU%$&#G LIE, he knew it when he said it, and anyone else with even half a brain, knows it. :ThmbUp:

[Clocker]

Who decided they were "almost worthless"? Certainly not the people that bought them?

People don't know what is good for them. Why, I bet most of those policies didn't even have maternity benefits.

[johnhannibalsmith]

If I had a '77 Celica Liftback and you told me you'd give me a '14 Volt, I'd keep the Toyota, even though it's almost worthless.

But, thanks.

[Mike at A+]

Disaster insurance is great for people who want a low premium and are able to foot the bill for a high deductible should a disaster strike. It's a very valid policy for people who can afford a high deductible. But hey, those people are the evil rich people 0bama hates so their choice must be taken away in the interests of funding the low information people whose votes he bought.

[Tom]

None of your links contained these words. Who decided they were "almost worthless"? Certainly not the people that bought them?
That is the catch phrase everyone got an email about - everyone is using it.
300,000 people in Florida are now without insurance thanks to the mindless bill.

[JustRalph]

Most of those policies that were cancelled were bare bones (almost worthless) policies that don't meet the new minimum standard.

"It was widely reported in 2010 that the Obama administration acknowledged (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/29/fox-shocked-by-obamacare-facts-fox-reported-in/196647) that "40 to 67 percent" of customers would likely not be "grandfathered" in if insurance policies were significantly changed (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/29/fox-shocked-by-obamacare-facts-fox-reported-in/196647) by insurance companies. "

This stuff that millions of people will lose their policies is much more complicated than that. In many cases they will be offered better policies and cheaper, in some cases not.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/29/right-wing-media-pick-up-health-insurance-cance/196650

Full on horse shit! HHS made changes after the bill was passed. I suppose the average American has time to stay up to date on HHS hearings and meetings, just in case the President is a ****ing scum bag liar!!!

This is straight Tyranny. It's no different than a Dictator forcing the citizenry to use the Government store or nationalized business at the threat of retaliation by the Army. In this case the Army is the IRS who will seize your tax refund.

It's Chavez in a nicer suit being protected by an appearance of Democracy. Fundamental transformation was his goal and his minions were more than ready to push this shit down the throats of the citizenry.

Every day this thing will get worse. As people start writing checks, as high deductibles start kicking in, the anger will grow. Hopefully full on rage will boil over near the mid terms. I personally think it will take longer.

[jballscalls]

Any link to Mediamatters is "worthless" :ThmbDown:

Breitbart ok though?

[Let's Roll]

Breitbart ok though?
I read articles on Breitbart from time to time, among many other sources, I have no problem with them.

[jballscalls]

I read articles on Breitbart from time to time, among many other sources, I have no problem with them.

Of course not :)

[JustRalph]

Of course not :)

ok, let's here it. What's wrong with Breitbart?

[Clocker]

According to Obama's home town newspaper, the Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/sns-rt-us-usa-healthcare-sebelius-20131030,0,5538475.story), Obama is blaming the "bad apple" insurance companies for the cancellations.

President Barack Obama said on Wednesday that "bad apple" insurance companies, not his signature healthcare law, are to blame for hundreds of thousands of people losing their coverage in the past few weeks.

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Obama's approval rating hit a new low in a NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll issued on Wednesday, a result the pollsters attributed to multiple setbacks including the Obamacare problems.

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"Remember, before the Affordable Care Act, these bad-apple insurers had free rein every single year to limit the care that you received, or used minor pre-existing conditions to jack up your premiums, or bill you into bankruptcy," Obama said.


Wow, back in the bad old days, the insurance companies limited your benefits to what you decided you wanted, and what you paid for. How did they get away with that? Now its practically all free.

[maddog42]

None of your links contained these words. Who decided they were "almost worthless"? Certainly not the people that bought them?

You guys are really something else. The people that bought them say that in many instances.

"These problems help explain why, in a survey from the Center on Health Research and Transformation (http://www.chrt.org/publications/cover-michigan-survey-2013/satisfaction-with-health-care-coverage/), 45 percent of people with non-group coverage rated it “fair or poor” and 61 percent said they had a “negative experience.” Both figures were the highest among the types of insurance studied. Consumer Reports (http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/05/hazardous-health-plans/index.htm) summarized the situation well in an article last year:"

Virtually all the group based insurance programs in this country will meet the minimum Obamacare standard. Lets look at a very fair assessment of what Obama said:

"Didn’t President Obama vow that Americans who like their insurance would get to keep it? Yes, he did. And he was wrong to make that promise, at least in such clear-cut terms. It applies perfectly well to the overwhelming majority of Americans who get insurance from an employer, Medicare, or Medicaid, since these plans and programs aren't really changing in ways that most consumers would notice. But people who buy coverage on their own, through brokers or directly from insurers, are in for some big changes. They constitute a tiny portion of the population but, because this is a large country, they are still a sizable group in raw numbers. (Somewhere between 10 and 20 million, depending whose estimates you believe.) "


Obamacare is a very good program for most Americans. I firmly believe that.The vast majority of americans will get to keep their Insurance. And I was quite right in saying this was crappy insurance.


http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115391/obamacare-policy-cancellations-why-non-group-market-needed-fixing

[maddog42]

"The biggest reason that anyone’s insurance policy would be cancelled is because it isn’t a good enough policy to comply with the new standards. But, even if your policy is cancelled, private insurance companies are offering alternatives while making sure that you have continuous coverage. You also have the option of enrolling in the exchanges, and will most likely end up with far better coverage at a much lower price. Most people also will qualify for tax credits to help off-set the cost of a new policy."

It has become a great talking point for Republicans to say that everyone will lose their individual coverage because of Obamacare. But that does not make this statement true. Marco Rubio (http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/oct/25/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-said-florida-300000-people-are-going-l/) recently said that in Florida, “300,000 people are going to lose their individual coverage because of Obamacare. Now those people next year, they don’t have health insurance.”

PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/oct/25/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-said-florida-300000-people-are-going-l/) has said that Rubio’s claim in mostly false.

Republican's lying about Obamacare? That cannot be.

http://samuel-warde.com/2013/10/nbc-investigation-busted-just-another-fake-obama-scandal/

[Clocker]

And I was quite right in saying this was crappy insurance.


http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115391/obamacare-policy-cancellations-why-non-group-market-needed-fixing

So you and the New Republic are more competent at judging whether or not my insurance is any good, and whether it meets my needs, than I am?

[mostpost]

So you and the New Republic are more competent at judging whether or not my insurance is any good, and whether it meets my needs, than I am?
I'm not sure about the New Republic, but I know Maddog is more competent at judging anything that you are. You've proven that more times than I can count.

[Boris]

You guys are really something else. The people that bought them say that in many instances.

"These problems help explain why, in a survey from the Center on Health Research and Transformation (http://www.chrt.org/publications/cover-michigan-survey-2013/satisfaction-with-health-care-coverage/), 45 percent of people with non-group coverage rated it “fair or poor” and 61 percent said they had a “negative experience.” Both figures were the highest among the types of insurance studied. Consumer Reports (http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/05/hazardous-health-plans/index.htm) summarized the situation well in an article last year:"

Dude, the survey you linked is a Michigan survey. :lol: BFD! It's Michigan. Only one of 57 states. And no where in the survey you linked to (and did not read) does it break things out by what the policy contained.

[JustRalph]

So you and the New Republic are more competent at judging whether or not my insurance is any good, and whether it meets my needs, than I am?

this is what they don't get. no longer a free country.

[Clocker]

this is what they don't get. no longer a free country.

That's not what Obama said. We are going to start with free health care and expand from there.

[Clocker]

I'm not sure about the New Republic, but I know Maddog is more competent at judging anything that you are.

Proper English usage there is "than", not "that".

Clueless anonymous insults on the internet can be easily ignored, considering the source. But illiteracy makes it just too tawdry to abide.

[HUSKER55]

Hey Ralph, like the cartoon!:D