Will you sign up for Obamacare?

[highnote]

Yes or No -- will you comply with the law and sign up for Obamacare?

[FantasticDan]

So I guess the companion question would be who doesn't already have health ins, cuz otherwise why would you have to "comply"?

[horses4courses]

So I guess the companion question would be who doesn't already have health ins, cuz otherwise why would you have to "comply"?

Makes the poll totally redundant.
I'm sure the vast majority of posters here are insured already.

[highnote]

So I guess the companion question would be who doesn't already have health ins, cuz otherwise why would you have to "comply"?


I thought it was obvious that it was intended for those who do NOT already have insurance. Apparently, it isn't.

[horses4courses]

I thought it was obvious that it was intended for those who do NOT already have insurance. Apparently, it isn't.

The term "Obamacare" is like holding up a cross to Dracula with many around here.
I'm afraid that you can expect a little voter manipulation.......

[TJDave]

I thought it was obvious that it was intended for those who do NOT already have insurance. Apparently, it isn't.

I voted yes even though I have insurance. The plan is to force everyone into the pools. In 2018 "cadillac" plans will be hit with a 40% tax. Insurers aren't waiting. They have already begun scaling back coverage and/or increasing deductables/co-pays. Eventually it will be one-size-fits-all... then one-pay-fits all.

[highnote]

I voted yes even though I have insurance.

I was just curious to see if there were a lot of people who would be willing to defy a law they believe is unjust.

What would happen if, say, 80% of the uninsured people who also don't like Obamacare decided not to comply?

There would be a penalty, but what if those people all refused to pay it?

If there was a mass boycott, what could the government do at that point?

Why don't leaders who oppose Obamacare use this tact?

[jballscalls]

i'm looking into it. The rates and coverage appear to be better than what I have now. Of course, nobody in my state has been able to sign up yet LOL

[TJDave]

There would be a penalty, but what if those people all refused to pay it?


I don't see how this could happen. If you were due a refund the IRS would simply reduce it by the penalty. If you owed you would get a letter to that effect. I suppose you could simply ignore it but then they'd just start the meter running. What's the point in that?

[HUSKER55]

got a question for one of you legal types. Suppose you sent a letter to the IRS stating you refused to pay because you are protesting the law.

Can they legally go after you, with fines and levies, and deny your right to protest?

[Tom]

This how many polls are misleading, but hcap posts them anyways.
So I guess we can trust this one as much as any of the garbage he comes up with. :lol:

[jballscalls]

This how many polls are misleading, but hcap posts them anyways.
So I guess we can trust this one as much as any of the garbage he comes up with. :lol:

agree, people just vote on these polls according to their politics.

[JustRalph]

got a question for one of you legal types. Suppose you sent a letter to the IRS stating you refused to pay because you are protesting the law.

Can they legally go after you, with fines and levies, and deny your right to protest?

You're joking right? On the letter stuff right?

The only way they can enforce this law is to seize refunds. So far anyway......

[dartman51]

You're joking right? On the letter stuff right?

The only way they can enforce this law is to seize refunds. So far anyway......

Don't bet on it. This is the I.R.S. you are talking about. The SC ruled that the penalty, or fine, is in fact, a TAX. They can seize your property for unpaid taxes. :mad:

[Dave Schwartz]

I answered "yes" because it is SUPPOSED TO BE a better deal for me, at my age than what I could get in the open market.

We'll see. Beth spends an hour each day trying to complete her application. LOL We don't hold much hope.

I am not convinced that it will last long, but for me it is the only game in town and I only need it to last 2 years until Medicare.

[LottaKash]

Don't bet on it. This is the I.R.S. you are talking about. The SC ruled that the penalty, or fine, is in fact, a TAX. They can seize your property for unpaid taxes. :mad:


Could the increased security around IRS buildings be related to the introduction of Obamacare? The federal government has consistently denied that any fines pertaining to Obamacare non-compliance could be seized from bank accounts, despite reports last year that the IRS had hired 16,500 new agents (http://www.infowars.com/thousands-of-new-irs-agents-to-be-hired-to-enforce-obamacare/) to harass citizens who attempt to evade the new law.

"When most people think of health care reform they think of more doctors exams, not more IRS exams," Brady said. "Isn’t the federal government already intruding enough into our lives? We need thousands of new doctors and nurses in America, not thousands more IRS agents."

Characterizing Obamacare as a tax under the purview of the IRS is not mistake. The near mythical authoritarian power of the IRS will be used to make sure Americans do not challenge Obamacare and unquestioningly submit to its unprecedented intrusion.

According to Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (http://www.infowars.com/dnc-chair-irs-easiest-enforcer-of-obamacare/), however, the Obamacare mandate is not a tax, although she told CNN the IRS would be the most effective enforcer

According to the noted polling service Rasmussen Reports (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes/april_2012/43_fear_irs_more_than_tsa), 43% of Americans fear the IRS more than the TSA. Only 20% feared the TSA more.

[Marshall Bennett]

Due to a preexisting condition (heart surgery in 1995) I've had to get insurance for the past several years through a risk pool program set up in Texas through Blue Cross Blue Shield. Their ending all coverage due to Obamacare at year's end so I'll be forced to go elsewhere. On the plus side there's no doubt the cost for me will be much less. I was paying over $1000 a month just for myself for a good many years. My car and home is insured with State Farm so I suppose I'll start there locally.

[JustRalph]

Don't bet on it. This is the I.R.S. you are talking about. The SC ruled that the penalty, or fine, is in fact, a TAX. They can seize your property for unpaid taxes. :mad:

The law specifically states that the only enforcement measure is to seize any refund you are owed. It also restricts the IRS from the normal lawsuit process they use to begin an enforcement action. They cannot seize your bank accounts or any property etc.

That could change if Congress decides to change the law though

[Capper Al]

If we didn't have any healthcare, I would be glad that Obamacare would be there.

[therussmeister]

I was just curious to see if there were a lot of people who would be willing to defy a law they believe is unjust.

What would happen if, say, 80% of the uninsured people who also don't like Obamacare decided not
If that is what you wanted to know, that should have been the poll question.

I voted yes because, as self-employed person, I suspect I will get a much better deal than what I could get now. That is why you should not expect significant boycott amongst the uninsured.I think the vast majority of the self-employed and those that cannot get insurance through their employer will find it is a good deal.

[Dave Schwartz]

I voted yes because, as self-employed person, I suspect I will get a much better deal than what I could get now. That is why you should not expect significant boycott amongst the uninsured.I think the vast majority of the self-employed and those that cannot get insurance through their employer will find it is a good deal.

:ThmbUp:

I totally agree.

As I have said before, I do not see how the ACA works in the long run. However, I am certainly going to give it a try because it is the law of the land and I (like ALMOST everyone else) will have to pay for it.

[fast4522]

BREAKING: Judge Refuses to Dismiss Case Challenging Obamacare Subsidies

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/10/22/breaking-judge-refuses-to-dismiss-case-blocking-irs-enforcement-of-obamacare-n1729818?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm

[LottaKash]

My, My wasn't BO pathethic giving that speech about Ocare....He sounded like a Soup Sales guy doing an infomercial....

How low is the presidency going to go....3 super A-holes in a row...Yikes !

[Tom]

He gives out a phone number to call and when you call it...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

What a putz!
I know it is not him personally, but someone is making him look like a total fool!
Almost sad to see a POTUS make to look like such a simple rube.....but, his legacy is he has fundamentally changed the office. Respect is now optional.

A true simpleton. With many followers here.
Do you want some pie? :lol:

[johnhannibalsmith]

Where's Andy Taylor when we need him?



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/Aunt_Bee_Wooed.JPG

[highnote]

If that is what you wanted to know, that should have been the poll question.



I agree. It should have been clearer. I meant for it to be asked of those who are currently self-employed and uninsured.

There is a lot of talk about how socialist, communist and authoritarian it is to force U.S. citizens to buy health insurance. So I am wondering if people will defy the law en masse.

The U.S. is a capitalist and freedom loving country. "Live free or die" is the New Hampshire state motto and it's even on their license plates.

If people are forced to buy health insurance next year then does it not seem like they are less free than they were a year ago?

If people are going to be less free next year then it is a good time to be reminded of Ben Franklin's statement -- "Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither."

I guess I was hoping that republicans would stand their ground and keep the government shut down and refuse to increase the debt limit. I also hoped that the red states would not set up obamacare exchanges and refuse to comply with the law. Unfortunately, it seems like when push came to shove they backed down.

Machiavelli and Sun Tzu both said it is better to retreat and live to fight another day. It may be a wise move by the republicans to back down and let obamacare fail on its own. If obamacare does fail it would give the party a big boost.

My gut feeling is that the software and web glitches will get fixed. This is not exactly rocket science. Too much traffic for the servers is probably part of the problem. It may take until next June to iron out the bugs, but they'll eventually fix them.

Then it is wait and see if health insurance costs actually come down. If costs come down this won't be good for repubs unless they find some other pressing problem to get behind. There will have to be the mother of all tax increases to pay for obamacare. Maybe cutting taxes will be something repubs can rally around?

[ArlJim78]

It may be a wise move by the republicans to back down and let obamacare fail on its own. If obamacare does fail it would give the party a big boost.

Everyone already knows it will fail, that's not the issue. Government programs don't force costs down, just the opposite.
The issue is that when government programs fail they don't go away. So letting it fail on it's own is not such a great option.

[Tom]

It is easier to sign up for Al Qeda than Obama Care! :eek:

[Ocala Mike]

The issue is that when government programs fail they don't go away. So letting it fail on it's own is not such a great option.




Some examples, please, of failed government programs that didn't go away.

Social Security?
Medicare?
Welfare?
Food Stamps?
Progressive Income Tax?
Prohibition?
Cash for Clunkers?

I think the issue is that one person's definition of failure is quite different from another's.

[ArlJim78]

Some examples, please, of failed government programs that didn't go away.

Social Security?
Medicare?
Welfare?
Food Stamps?
Progressive Income Tax?
Prohibition?
Cash for Clunkers?

I think the issue is that one person's definition of failure is quite different from another's.
All of them are failures to one degree or another. You can also add a number of agencies like education to the list. Tens of billions spent yearly with nothing to show.
They all have unsustainable growth rates or make the underlying problems worse or have unintended consequences or are unfair or unconstitutional or were ill-conceived or all of the above.
Some of these programs weren't supposed to go away (example SS) therefore it should be based on a sustainable model (it isn't) so until it's fixed it goes in the failure category.

There were very good reasons why the founders tried to put severe limitations on what the federal government should get involved in.

[Ocala Mike]

[QUOTE=ArlJim78]

There were very good reasons why the founders tried to put severe limitations on what the federal government should get involved in.{/QUOTE]

The founders were reacting to British tyranny, and heavily invested in another form of tyranny themselves, that of slavery. Thankfully, they put the clause, "to provide for the general welfare" in the constitution. The rest, as they say, is history.

[Tom]

Wasteful spending hardy provides for the welfare of anyone but themselves.
The government we have today is more deserving of a good overthrow and revolution than Old King George was.....by a long shot!

[JustRalph]

Social Security? Ponzi scheme....
Medicare? Fraught with billions in fraud since the inception. Illegal tax
Welfare? See above
Food Stamps? See above
Progressive Income Tax? Wholesale theft of wealth
Prohibition? Worked out so well and made millions for corrupt politicians
Cash for Clunkers? Transfer of wealth that hurt the poorest among us the most

+
EPA
Dept of Education
Dept of agriculture
Tax incentives for agriculture and science that are all political
Pell grants and more for education that make colleges rich on the back of the government

I could go on.......

[Tom]

People will actually have all the pieces of their Civil War Chess Sets before they get to register for NO-Care. :D

[highnote]

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions...

Social Security? Ponzi scheme....
Medicare? Fraught with billions in fraud since the inception. Illegal tax
Welfare? See above
Food Stamps? See above
Progressive Income Tax? Wholesale theft of wealth
Prohibition? Worked out so well and made millions for corrupt politicians
Cash for Clunkers? Transfer of wealth that hurt the poorest among us the most

+
EPA
Dept of Education
Dept of agriculture
Tax incentives for agriculture and science that are all political
Pell grants and more for education that make colleges rich on the back of the government

I could go on.......

[redshift1]

According to Blue Cross I'm good to go for 2014 with out any paper work at all.

Will see how it works out with all the confusion.

[mostpost]

Social Security? Ponzi scheme....
Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme. Anyone who thinks it is does not understand Social Security and does not know what a Ponzi scheme is.
Medicare? Fraught with billions in fraud since the inception. Illegal tax
Most Medicare fraud is perpetrated by doctors and hospitals. Medicare fraud is a crime against the people enrolled in Medicare as much as against the system. I think the idea that it is an illegal tax has been settled by the courts long ago.
Welfare? See above
OK I looked above. I saw someone who does not know what he is talking about.
Food Stamps? See above
Ditto
Progressive Income Tax? Wholesale theft of wealth
The fairest tax is the Progressive tax. Not the Flat tax; not the Fair tax. Taxation is not the theft of wealth. It is the necessary means of paying for public services.
Prohibition? Worked out so well and made millions for corrupt politicians
Prohibition? Really?? Prohibition ended eighty years ago and you're using Prohibition as an example of a government program you don't like?
Cash for Clunkers? Transfer of wealth that hurt the poorest among us the most
Before Cash for Clunkers....Auto sales in the toilet. After Cash for Clunkers...Auto sales on a steady rise.

+
EPA
Dept of Education
Dept of agriculture
Tax incentives for agriculture and science that are all political
Pell grants and more for education that make colleges rich on the back of the government

I could go on.......
I'm sure you could and would go on being wrong.

[Tom]

This is so devious, so convoluted, so, so............utterly ridiculous, that even Obama could not have done it by himself.

He HAD to have a partner, and it had to be....................mostie!

Only Obama and mostie could come up with a WEBSITE that was so slow, they would tell you that you could always sign up by.......MAIL! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[fast4522]

Millions of Americans Are Losing Their Health Plans Because of Obamacare

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/millions-americans-are-losing-their-health-plans-because-obamacare_764602.html

[horses4courses]

This is so devious, so convoluted, so, so............utterly ridiculous, that even Obama could not have done it by himself.

He HAD to have a partner, and it had to be....................mostie!

Only Obama and mostie could come up with a WEBSITE that was so slow, they would tell you that you could always sign up by.......MAIL! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Have to admit, I chuckled reading this :p

[Tom]

Laughter....the best medicine! ;)

[ElKabong]

The term "Obamacare" is like holding up a cross to Dracula with many around here.
I'm afraid that you can expect a little voter manipulation.......

Paranoid much?

[boxcar]

Yes or No -- will you comply with the law and sign up for Obamacare?

You can also comply with the law by not signing up. I believe that option is in the law. ;)

Boxcar

[reckless]

The conversation on a local radio talk show yesterday was mostly about the failed web site, numerous glitches, Sabelius, etc.

Toward the end the host said that hackers are creating phony ACA web sites seeking to illegally get our personal information. People should go directly to the government site and that we shouldn't look for the ACA site by using a search engine, which will more likely direct you to the scam site.

He then added -- 'And how would you know the web site is a phony site and not the government one? Easy. The scam site works!'

[HUSKER55]

did you guys watch the "situation room" the other night? After 90 minutes the girl still couldn't get a quote.

for $634 Million Amazon or Google could have done better.