GOP Desperation

[NJ Stinks]

How pathetic is this?

In three weeks we in New Jersey have our usual election day the first Tuesday in November. One would expect that the vote to replace U.S. Senator Frank Lautenburg would occur on that day. After all, Frank died at the beginning of June, Christie appointed a Republican to temporarily replaced him, and if NJ waits another three weeks, what's the big deal? After all, the new U.S. Senator from NJ will only serve one year before Lautenburg's term is up? Besides all that, it will cost $12M to $13M to hold a special statewide election before the first Tuesday in November.

So what does Christie do? The man who spends his days lecturing people about how he is all about saving taxpayer dollars decides to hold a special election for U.S. Senator today! :rolleyes: Why? Two reasons:

1. Republicans are praying voter turnout is beyond low. It's the only chance the GOP has to win. (It strikes me that when the GOP'ers were kids, they were the ones who actually celebrated a win by forfeit! :lol: )

2. The prominent thought in the media is that Christie wants election day in November to be all about him - no sharing the limelight with Cory Booker.

Anyway, I hope this strategy backfires. It probably will because it's not raining here today. :jump:

[badcompany]

I hope for your sake Ms. Buono is a big closer. :lol:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/5e823b7fb92f665c84eb0bb472404847_zps93773248.jpg

[NJ Stinks]

Badcompany, there is no line on Buono vs. Christie. Even the bookies won't touch it. :)

Any thoughts on today's "special' election in Jersey?

[badcompany]

Badcompany, there is no line on Buono vs. Christie. Even the bookies won't touch it. :)

Any thoughts on today's "special' election in Jersey?

Been too busy with work. Haven't been keeping up. I have heard that Booker pissed away the the 100 million he got from evil one percenter Mark Zuckerberg.

[Rise Over Run]

Badcompany, there is no line on Buono vs. Christie. Even the bookies won't touch it. :)

Any thoughts on today's "special' election in Jersey?

Is there a line on Booker's Vegan Stripper Friend showing up at the election gala in Newark?

[jdhanover]

I like Christie, but have to agree that this is terribly irresponsible. He never was going to have any problem winning his race. Costing the taxpayers for two elections is terrible.

All these politicians are hypocrites - they scream things like cut spending ....but really only they want to cut what won't help them get reelected.

[Rise Over Run]

How pathetic is this?

In three weeks we in New Jersey have our usual election day the first Tuesday in November. One would expect that the vote to replace U.S. Senator Frank Lautenburg would occur on that day. After all, Frank died at the beginning of June, Christie appointed a Republican to temporarily replaced him, and if NJ waits another three weeks, what's the big deal? After all, the new U.S. Senator from NJ will only serve one year before Lautenburg's term is up? Besides all that, it will cost $12M to $13M to hold a special statewide election before the first Tuesday in November.

So what does Christie do? The man who spends his days lecturing people about how he is all about saving taxpayer dollars decides to hold a special election for U.S. Senator today! :rolleyes: Why? Two reasons:

1. Republicans are praying voter turnout is beyond low. It's the only chance the GOP has to win. (It strikes me that when the GOP'ers were kids, they were the ones who actually celebrated a win by forfeit! :lol: )

2. The prominent thought in the media is that Christie wants election day in November to be all about him - no sharing the limelight with Cory Booker.

Anyway, I hope this strategy backfires. It probably will because it's not raining here today. :jump:

When you are in control you get to make the rules. Given everything going on in DC, why is this problematic to you?

[Tom]

hcap says over-spending is good for the economy.
Christie is doing what is best for you.
When you wnat a nanny state to tkae care of you, you don't get to whine about it - Just DO IT! :lol:

[hcap]

hcap says over-spending is good for the economy.
Just DO IT! :lol:Particularly when Obama sent Michael Anthony to pay me a cool million to vote democratic. John Beresford Tipton also personally signed each of a dozen Obama phones I was given, and all them free Kentucky fried dinners for 6 months didn't hurt either.

So who cares if death panels and lack of mammograms are killing our women folk? :)

[Ocala Mike]

Booker has defeated his opponent, according to AP.

[NJ Stinks]

Yea, Mike, it looks like Christie's plan wasn't devious enough. Even a Wednesday vote in October couldn't get a Republican elected to the U.S. Senate in the great state of New Jersey. That's about 40 years in a row now but who's counting? :cool:

As an aside, the GOP's nominee (Steve Lonegan) was actually against NJ receiving disaster aid after Hurricane Sandy. Somehow I think Lonegan would fit in nicely around here.

[classhandicapper]

When did republicans start considering Christie a republican?

You can call yourself whatever you want, but that guy is not a republican. He's to the left of John McCain.

Speaking of which, if John McCain isn't forced into retirement soon I'm going to have to change some of my views on mandatory retirement. McCain may have been a military hero, but right now he's everything I despise. He's a war mongering economic moron! Guys like him having any power at all is very dangerous for us all.

[jballscalls]

When did republicans start considering Christie a republican?

You can call yourself whatever you want, but that guy is not a republican. He's to the left of John McCain.

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This is probably why he actually has a good approval rating.

[classhandicapper]

This is probably why he actually has a good approval rating.

I don't doubt that.

There are a lot of economic incompetents that have a good approval rating.

In fact, there's a direct correlation between being an irresponsible short term oriented economic incompetent and getting elected and being popular. That's why we are in this mess to begin with.

The way to become popular is to make promises that will help some people now, that you can't keep in the long term, but that will not impact your political career because you'll be out of office when the chickens come home to roost. If you happen to be in office when they start coming home to roost, you find ways to kick the can down the road so salvage your own career but make the long term problems even larger.

It's the guys that actually want to do responsible things that are demonized by the media and harder left for political gain.

[jballscalls]

It's the guys that actually want to do responsible things that are demonized by the media and harder left for political gain.

so the right wingers are all noble law makers, who really want what's best for every American? If that's the case, I'm gonna start voting republican exclusively!

[Tom]

Christi is a perfect example - of how some dems and repubs are the same thing.

Not all TP repubs are 100%, but more of them look out for the people.
You guys can have Christi.
I have no use for him.

If Christie had wanted to help NJ during Hurricane Sandy, he could have laid in the beech.

[DJofSD]

hcap says over-spending is good for the economy.
Christie is doing what is best for you.
When you wnat a nanny state to tkae care of you, you don't get to whine about it - Just DO IT! :lol:
Yes, in a nanny state, you don't get a choice. If you agree and are disposed to what is being decided for you, all is goodness. However, when the nannies decide to do something not of you liking, what are you to do? Hmmmm?

Usually, it is to blame some one else. But after there is not any other group or individual to blame, what do you do then?

[classhandicapper]

so the right wingers are all noble law makers, who really want what's best for every American? If that's the case, I'm gonna start voting republican exclusively!

I think anyone that understands that our long term issue is the growth rate of government spending and is trying to do something to reform entitlements to slow that growth rate down is noble because it's both the only way to solve the problem and it will be politically unpopular. I don't care which party they come from. They just happen to be mostly on the libertarian right.

[NJ Stinks]

Damnit you guys are getting boring...same old shit...

Doesn't anyone (on either side of the aisle) have anything new and interesting to talk about? Except whether Obama sucks, or the latest Conservative poster boy is an idiot and/or looks like a character from the Munster's?

Didn't John Kerry already lock up all the ghoul face awards years ago?

Yea, I have something else to talk about. Today's New York Post had an editorial called "Lonegan Goes Down Fighting". Here's the editorial:
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Cory Booker is going to Washington as New Jersey’s newest senator after winning Wednesday’s special election. But Steve Lonegan made the ride to Capitol Hill much rougher than anyone had anticipated. And there’s a lesson here for Republicans.

Near-complete returns show Booker beating his GOP opponent by 10.6 percentage points. Normally that would be a landslide, but Booker had a 35-point lead as recently as August. On top of this, Lonegan’s 44.2 percent of the vote was the best showing by a Republican Senate candidate in the Garden State since 2000. What makes this surprising is that Lonegan ran as an unabashed social and economic conservative — and spent his campaign attacking rather than apologizing.

Jeffrey Bell, who was also once an unsuccessful GOP Senate candidate in New Jersey, put it this way in The Weekly Standard: “Lonegan broke every rule promulgated by conventional wisdom and Republican campaign consultants.” He did this by supporting the shutdown, attacking entitlement spending and opposing same-sex marriage and legal abortion. In addition, he made Booker’s record as mayor of Newark another focus of attack. Though it wasn’t enough to prevail, it did transform what everyone thought would be a blowout into a race.

We congratulate Cory Booker on his victory. But we also congratulate Steve Lonegan for his effort. While he didn’t win, he did manage to upend all establishment wisdom by showing that blue-state Republicans become competitive by trying to sell the conservative agenda to the voters rather than running away from it.

link: http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/cory-booker-elected-senator-by-just-11-percent-margin/
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Talk about living in denial. The Republican governor holds a special election on a Wednesday in October with only one race/issue to vote on. Of the almost 5.5M registered voters in NJ, only 1.3M actually voted. That's means only 24% of registered voters actually went to the polls. (65% of NJ registered voters came out for Obama/Romney.)

What percentage of Tea Party types didn't bother to vote? How many Obamacare opponents didn't bother to vote? How can any unbiased newspaper actually write in an editorial that Lonegan "did manage to upend all establishment wisdom by showing that blue-state Republicans become competitive by trying to sell the conservative agenda to the voters rather than running away from it"?

If Lonegan was a horse who ran his best races on off track, Lonegan had the perfect "muddy track" on Wednesday. Turns out it didn't matter how the track was playing. :rolleyes:

Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/18/cory-booker-new-jersey-senate-turnout/3007945/
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[JustRalph]

7 of those points were closed in the last 3 weeks after Mark Levin and Sarah Palin went balls to the walls in the race.

You make good points NJ. I agree Christie should be held accountable for costing the tax paying public all that cash also.........

[Robert Goren]

So Steve Lonegan had what Jerry Jones would call a moral victory. I give the tea party all of them they want just so they don't get any real victories.

[Tom]

Talk about living in denial.

Stinky, who, you or Goren....not clear here.

[hcap]

I think anyone that understands that our long term issue is the growth rate of government spending and is trying to do something to reform entitlements to slow that growth rate down is noble because it's both the only way to solve the problem and it will be politically unpopular. I don't care which party they come from. They just happen to be mostly on the libertarian right.WE all get what you and all the other Libertarians think. But as I told you before what you think is not written by God as the a priori truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States

Modern American liberalism combines social liberalism with support for social justice and a mixed economy. Keynesian economic theory has played a central role in the economic philosophy of modern American liberals.[8] The argument has been that national prosperity requires government management of the macroeconomy, to keep unemployment low, inflation in check, and growth high.[8]

John F. Kennedy defined a liberal as follows:[9][10]

....someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal', then I’m proud to say I’m a 'Liberal'.

In The Conscience of a Liberal (2007), by Paul Krugman, p. 267, he states: "I believe in a relatively equal society, supported by institutions that limit extremes of wealth and poverty. I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I'm proud of it." Liberals often point to the widespread prosperity enjoyed under a mixed economy in the years since World War II.[11][12] They believe liberty exists when access to necessities like health care and economic opportunity are available to all,[13] and they champion the protection of the environment.[14][15] Modern American liberalism is typically associated with the Democratic Party, as modern American conservatism is typically associated with the Republican Party.[16]

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So, this argument is not over. You have not won, although you may think you have. And what I find dishonest here is the tendency to use your assumption that you have won and use that assumption to automatically conclude no matter what topic we discuss all who disagree are wrong no matter the details of that topic.

PS: One does not have to be socialist or communist to differ from the Libertarian point of view.

[Clocker]

The argument has been that national prosperity requires government management of the macroeconomy, to keep unemployment low, inflation in check, and growth high.

That's been working out really well under this administration, hasn't it?:rolleyes:

[Tom]

Imagine how good things will be or everyone when the debt gets to 30 trillion!

A chicken in every pot, pot in every chick.
hcap climbs the stairway to Heaven.
I guess Heaven is in the eye of the beholder.

[Tom]

Is this your idea of Heaven?

[fast4522]

Clearly there is enough material with respect to ideology that is available, cover that shit up Tom. Using JPEGS of what they do not want to be seen is cool, but using JPEGS that nobody wants to see? = NASTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8mJ8ZrXu5o

[hcap]

Why aren't there any countries in the world that are pure and gloriously Libertarian? Why hasn't Three cornered hat riots occurred in other more socialized higher taxed countries? Why has the standard Libertarian Party here not zoomed into overwhelming popular levels? Why is the Tea Party at it's lowest approval level since it started?

The argument you gentlemen wrongly think has already been won by the likes of Cruz and Palin has not. You can bitch and moan all you want, but what is happening now is more easily explained by a structural change in the US economic makeup and recent recession and globalization, than our rather middle of the road democratic Pres and congress. You gents are right. We need change. But more to and from a more leftwing point of view.

Only in delusional John Galt LaLa land is TeePee-ing alive and well. . :cool:

[Clocker]

Why aren't there any countries in the world that are pure and gloriously Libertarian?

People in a democracy get the government they deserve.

[fast4522]

When the shit hits the fan people will realize there is nothing to go around, not only will it hit the fan but hyper inflation will thin the heard considerably.

[fast4522]

Ted Cruz returned home to a rousing welcome in Texas.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/senator-cruz-returns-texas-welcome-shutdown-battle-043355751.html

[JustRalph]

You could be in one of these countries

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213535/Students-riot-Italy-protest-austerity-measures-Greek-shipyard-workers-demonstrate-support-arrested-strikers.html

I wonder what they have in common?

[hcap]

People in a democracy get the government they deserve.So NO ONE in the world DESERVES Libertarianism ? Explains nothing as usual.

Nowhere has Libertarianism grown and flourished except in your mind. You guys are gonna get exactly what YOU deserve ....bupkis :lol:

[fast4522]

Cruz to CNN: ‘I don’t work for the party bosses in Washington’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Xyhiu9cO4

[hcap]

You could be in one of these countries

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213535/Students-riot-Italy-protest-austerity-measures-Greek-shipyard-workers-demonstrate-support-arrested-strikers.html

I wonder what they have in common?Austerity is what is being protested not higher taxes. Where is Italy's Tea Party? Libertarians?

Besides there are European success stories as well as failures. More socialism in a mixed economy does not necessarily mean failure. Like all issues, rarely can absolutes be drawn. Except here on PA OT by right wing extremists like you

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html


Countries by Standard of Living (Highest Quality of Life) Top Ten Countries with Standard of Living (Highest Quality of Life) is based on Human Development Index. Top countries include Norway, Australia and Sweden.


1 Norway
2 Australia
3 Netherlands
4 United States
5 New Zealand
6 Canada
7 Ireland
8 Liechtenstein
9 Germany
10 Sweden

The argument is not won!

[fast4522]

With new budget deadlines, top Hill lawmakers appear as far apart as ever.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/20/with-new-budget-deadlines-top-hill-lawmakers-appear-as-far-apart-as-ever/

[Clocker]

So NO ONE in the world DESERVES Libertarianism ? Explains nothing as usual.


To repeat, the people in a democracy get the government that they deserve.

It explains the fact that the low information voters that elected this Congress disapprove of it by a huge majority. And will reelect most of them again next year.

It explains the fact that the low information voters reelected a president who delivered on essentially none of his campaign promises and accomplished virtually nothing to improve the economy or the unemployment situation.

It explains the fact that for some inexplicable reasons 44% of Americans still approve of Obama's job performance, while 82% of the same Americans disapprove of the direction of the country.

[hcap]

No. People can only do so much. Power players determine what government "happens" almost as much.

The vectored result is the reality. Lobbyists, Pacs, the media, all play a part.

And please stop with low information voters as a democratic party or Obama only issue.

Crappola first class.

[Clocker]

And please stop with low information voters as a democratic party or Obama only issue.



Where did I say that? The same kind of idiots that keep voting for Reid and Schumer and Pelosi on the left have soul mates on the right that keep voting for mediocrities like McCain and McConnell.

[Ocala Mike]

And crazies like Cruz, Lee, and Ted Yoho (the yahoo).

[hcap]

And crazies like Cruz, Lee, and Ted Yoho (the yahoo).
Thank you. You beat me to it. :D

[hcap]

Ok, I will correct my criticism and delete the word "only" But you did seem more specific on so-called "Low-information voters".....
Where" did I say that? The same kind of idiots that keep voting for Reid and Schumer and Pelosi on the left have soul mates on the right that keep voting for mediocrities like McCain and McConnell.DUH!It explains the fact that the low information voters reelected a president who delivered on essentially none of his campaign promises and accomplished virtually nothing to improve the economy or the unemployment situation.

It explains the fact that for some inexplicable reasons 44% of Americans still approve of Obama's job performance, while 82% of the same Americans disapprove of the direction of the country.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[fast4522]

HERE'S THE TRUTH: THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T SHUT DOWN

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/heres-truth-government-doesnt-shut-down-0

[Tom]

Why aren't there any countries in the world that are pure and gloriously Libertarian? Why hasn't Three cornered hat riots occurred in other more socialized higher taxed countries? Why has the standard Libertarian Party here not zoomed into overwhelming popular levels? Why is the Tea Party at it's lowest approval level since it started?

Because the success of such philosophies depends on a responsible, intelligent populace. Most people are lazy idiots or anchors. You aren't seriously going to try to tell us how good socialist countries are doing are you? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oui Oui!

[hcap]

Because the success of such philosophies depends on a responsible, intelligent populace. Most people are lazy idiots or anchors.Give 'em enough rope and..........

:cool:

[fast4522]

An example of JPEGS that have no racy tones but are just as ugly.
Always drop the b and pickup the W

[hcap]

How ugly is it when you post photos of deadly toxic viruses and tell someone they should die a painful death? Or tell someone to DD? Or call one a commie/socialist and disrespects our boys in the military? Just scratin' the surface here, and I really don't care until I hear all about how nasty and classless I am and I should sit at the children's table. :lol: :lol: :cool:

Just askin' :rolleyes:

[fast4522]

Your daddy.

[hcap]

Hey Fast, I listed Tom as Dumber and you only as Dumb. Could be time to change rankings :D :D

[fast4522]

Go for it, not giving in to you but will be here every single day.

[hcap]

Whomever receives rank # 1 will be a difficult choice

Grampa Tom Simpson versus the serial Tuba Player?

2 though nuts to crack. :eek:

[Tom]

Or call one a commie/socialist and disrespects our boys in the military? Just scratin' the surface here, and I really don't care until I hear all about how nasty and classless I am and I should sit at the children's table

If the shoe fits, wear it, Cinderella.
We had to put with that rap all through the Iraq war - your ah-holes in Congress - like that POS from Pennsylvania - ALWAYS dissing our troops, quick to call them murderers. That is YOUR team, Cindy. Call you guys socialist,s when you are, in fact, socialists is hardly as bad what your team of bottom feeding scum bags.

[hcap]

Ok, rank #1. Grampa With the usual. "We had to put with that rap all through the Iraq war" while saluting General Bush on mission accomplished :lol:

I'm sure Fast will catch up Fast

[hcap]

Some one, probably JR posted somewhere hat the dem party is going broke. I never checked out that claim thinking it was bogus. And as it turns out it did not take into account the recent ass whipping the repugs received on the gov shutdown and attempt to defund Obamacare and the idiotic debt limit craziness

http://www.nationaljournal.com/hotline-on-call/house-democrats-set-september-fundraising-record-20131021

House Democrats Set September Fundraising Record

..To date this year, the DCCC has raised $58.2 million and has $21.6 million on hand. The NRCC has $15.7 million cash on hand.

..The report is the latest sign that after the shutdown, money is becoming a concern for Republicans. Dissatisfied donors from the GOP's business and conservative wings, angry at a party they don't think is listening to them, have threatened to withhold contributions. Democrats have also outraised Republicans elsewhere: The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee raised $4.6 million last month, $1 million more than the National Republican Senatorial Committee's $3.6 million. For the first time in 17 months, the Democratic National Committee raised more cash than the Republican National Committee -- $7.4 million to $7.1 million.

And the surge occurred entirely before the government shutdown took effect, suggesting the fundraising disparity could widen after October's reports are released next month.

Oops! :D :D :D :D