20 signs you’ve drunk the Kool-Aid

[Robert Goren]

A sample of the article

1. You think Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) has it nailed when he tells the Value Voters Summit that the Dems are “feeling the heat” in the shutdown fight.
3. You think if only the shutdown went on longer the GOP would win this fight
5. You think that if the GOP doesn’t win the shutdown fight it will be because of the mainstream media.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/10/11/20-signs-youve-drunk-the-kool-aid/

How many cups have you drank?
How many of you have drunk all 20 Dixie Cups of it?
Which cups haven't you drank?

[hcap]

1. You think Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) has it nailed when he tells the Value Voters Summit that the Dems are “feeling the heat” in the shutdown fight.

3. You think if only the shutdown went on longer the GOP would win this fight

5. You think that if the GOP doesn’t win the shutdown fight it will be because of the mainstream media.The Kool Aid just got that much harder to drink.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-new-high-for-disapproval-of-gop-s-handling-of-budget-talks

..The latest ABC News/Washington Post poll found 74 percent of Americans disapproving of how congressional Republicans are handling the budget negotiations, up from 63 percent two weeks ago. Fifty-four percent said they "strongly" disapprove of the Republicans while 20 percent said they "somewhat" disapprove. Only 21 percent said they approve of the way Republicans have handled the talks.

The poll found Republicans receiving far more blame than the other parties in the negotiations. Fifty-three percent said they disapprove of how President Barack Obama has handled the negotiations while 61 percent said they disapprove of Democrats in Congress.


Be that as it may, our pals here will proclaim the TeePe-ers winners no matter what :lol:

[Robert Goren]

Don't worry! Fox News will go some college campus and find some Young Republicans club and take a poll of them showing the ABC poll wrong.:rolleyes:

[hcap]

Even FAUX cannot deny this much longer

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7434/10276270834_c6ca040e7d.jpg

Lots of guys here will tho' :jump:

I wonder who will be first? :cool:

[livingthedream2]

Even FAUX cannot deny this much longer

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7434/10276270834_c6ca040e7d.jpg






So it's bragging rights for who sucks less :jump: :(

[sammy the sage]

think I'll provide the PROPER labeling of this thread and then leave ya'll be...

Should have called it: The socialist circle jerk thread.

[hcap]

Or howsabout a new religious right thread called "Drink da Divine Kool Aid"

I'll start it off....

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) said over the weekend that he had prayed to God to guide him in the shutdown fight and was sure that “his will be done as I know it will be.”

Televangelist Pat Robertson opened Monday’s edition of The 700 Club by describing the Oct. 17 debt ceiling deadline as a “countdown to Armageddon.”

“The Democrats, instead of holding spending down, now say, ‘We want freedom to spend more, we’ve got to spend more,’” Robertson explained. “They need a fix. It’s like a heroin addict, you’ve got to have your fix. And they need a fix. So, they want the sequester taken away as a price for re-opening the government. It is shocking!”

[hcap]

So it's bragging rights for who sucks less :jump: :(3 posts and already not critically thinking :lol:

Welcome to the home of a whole bunch or righties living in a dream

[BlueShoe]

think I'll provide the PROPER labeling of this thread and then leave ya'll be...

Should have called it: The socialist circle jerk thread.
A blog from the Washington ComPost? What else could it be? The term may be a bit dated, but for years referred to the Washington Post as the Mid Atlantic edition of Pravda. Rumor has it that former KGB propagandists that were not hired by the New York Times or one of the major networks could always find work at the Post. :rolleyes:

[Robert Goren]

A blog from the Washington ComPost? What else could it be? The term may be a bit dated, but for years referred to the Washington Post as the Mid Atlantic edition of Pravda. Rumor has it that former KGB propagandists that were not hired by the New York Times or one of the major networks could always find work at the Post. :rolleyes:So what that is in it is not true? You sound like a 20 cup man with a extra large cup of # 5. Am I not correct?

[Ocala Mike]

"Kool-Aid Kool-Aid, Tastes Great. Wish We Had Some Can't Wait"

Let's all sing along!

[magwell]

Kool-Aid # 5 does taste pretty good ....;)

[Track Collector]

3 posts and already not critically thinking :lol:


A new poster makes a pretty intelligent comment, and hcap has gotten rid of all the mirrors in his house! It's ok, he appears to be happy with his guys having having disapproval ratings of 61% and 53%, as long as those of the other guys are higher. :faint:

By the way, I would be curious as to the demographics of the referenced poll. The "view" from inside the beltway is seldom the same on the outside, so it remains to be seen where public perception goes from here.

Your President is being seen more and more as someone who is unwilling to compromise (unless he gets way on everything), which will not be good for him or the democrats.

More tea please. :D

...

[classhandicapper]

This thread is kind of like the captain of the Titanic being excited about winning a poker hand with a few of the crew members all while being too ignorant to know his ship was about to hit an iceberg that was going to kill almost everyone.

[hcap]

The captain of the Titanic being Ted Cruz? Or is it John Boehner captain and the ist mate and navigator being Ted Cruz? :lol:

I always have a difficult time remembering republican royalty. I guess it doesn't matter at all, Queen Sarah rules behind the curtain anyway.

[hcap]

A new poster makes a pretty intelligent comment, and hcap has gotten rid of all the mirrors in his house! It's ok, he appears to be happy with his guys having having disapproval ratings of 61% and 53%, as long as those of the other guys are higher. New posters' comment is debatable as to how much intelligence was actually involved.
So it's bragging rights for who sucks less This poll and all others recently taken show repugs losing public sympathy and sentiment and "paleos" not liking what it is doing to the grand 'ole party. Dems ahead 14% and Obama 23% is pertinent and important. Election time is coming up. Number of seats at stake for each party is not easily lost on pissed off "paleos"and just how much of an ass whupping repugs will suffer in 2016 :cool:

[NJ Stinks]

So it's bragging rights for who sucks less :jump: :(

Nothing like disagreeing with a guy's 3rd post. :p

I think you missed the point here. What percentage of Americans want a government shutdown and personal economic loss that comes from the country defaulting on it's debt? Nobody. So the answer to the question: 'Who do you blame for this fiasco in Washington?' should be 100% of the Dems, Repubs, and the president. But it's not. Why is that? It can't be because FOX News is the most trusted name in news in this country. :rolleyes:

Scoff all you want about who Americans blame for this fiasco. I say those percentages are significant and will probably lead to an agreement Republicans won't like much.

[Tom]

New posters' comment is debatable as to how much intelligence was actually involved.

Funny, I thought it far exceeded most you make, or several of your other left-out minions. :lol:

[Track Collector]

Nothing like disagreeing with a guy's 3rd post. :p

I think you missed the point here. What percentage of Americans want a government shutdown and personal economic loss that comes from the country defaulting on it's debt? Nobody. So the answer to the question: 'Who do you blame for this fiasco in Washington?' should be 100% of the Dems, Repubs, and the president. But it's not. Why is that? It can't be because FOX News is the most trusted name in news in this country. :rolleyes:

Scoff all you want about who Americans blame for this fiasco. I say those percentages are significant and will probably lead to an agreement Republicans won't like much.

The whole idea of defaulting on the debt service is a sham and scare tactic towards those who do not know differently. Our monthly debt service is around $18B, and yet we take in about $200B to $225B. In addition, Obama has the legal requirement to pay our debt service first. It does mean that we may not be able to fund all our other commitments, which is a huge problem given that our perfect and all-wise government would never spend money where they should not, like for special interest political groups. :rolleyes: Money will buy favors and political friends, and it is this specific revenue source the president will defend tooth and nail.

As to the government shutdown (or partial shutdown which would more accurately describe the situation), I have not personally experienced any trouble or been inconvenience from it. I suspect quite a few more citizens have had a similar experience to date. I don't jump up and down when folks lose their jobs, but most of us have free will to decide on our vocation, and the risks associated with that choice. I also think it is better for our country to put itself on a more solid financial footing vs. just making a place for people to work when subject work is less essential than other types of work, and perhaps not even needed at all. Besides, irregardless of one's political affiliation, I wonder how many government jobs and position appointments are just a way to thank one for being an avid supporter, etc.? Was it not the Republicans who offered to fund everything except Obamacare, which would have left the government open? Tell me if I am missing something here.

"Blame" is simply going to be assigned to the party who LEAST represents your interests. Unlike some here, I do not have irrational fear of the Tea Party, who for me personally, best represents my interests. I also happen to believe that what they stand for will benefit many others, including democrats. On the other hand, the democratic liberal left is only interested in a huge power grab which is designed to increase their control in our lives. Obamacare is all about that power grab and an intrusion to our personal liberties, and extremely little about improved health care for all.

With the benefit of the liberal media and the current legacy Republican leadership, I agree that the Tea Party certainly has an uphill battle, but I also remember that Goliath supporters laughed at David too, and we know how that turned out. ;)

[livingthedream2]

Nothing like disagreeing with a guy's 3rd post. :p

I think you missed the point here. What percentage of Americans want a government shutdown and personal economic loss that comes from the country defaulting on it's debt? Nobody. So the answer to the question: 'Who do you blame for this fiasco in Washington?' should be 100% of the Dems, Repubs, and the president. But it's not. Why is that? It can't be because FOX News is the most trusted name in news in this country. :rolleyes:

Scoff all you want about who Americans blame for this fiasco. I say those percentages are significant and will probably lead to an agreement Republicans won't like much.


My point is they all suck...so if you don't mind sucking then I guess it is OK to suck less than the next guy.

It would seem a rational case could be made that neither the Dems or Rep are doing much of anything that is good for the country.

(now don't make me post #5 on you)

[Tom]

If the debt ceiling in not raised, what happens is decision have to be made - we can avoid defaulting by just spending less. Of course, if you are a dem, that is truly scary. :lol:

[hcap]

I think many of us will agrere that politics in general sucks. Nevertheless try looking at this as approval instead of disapproval. If one group has an approval rating of 26% and another had an approval rating of 39% and the Prez has an approval rating of 47% on this issue, and they all started with less of a spread, the trend is quite clear. And that is why the paleos are trying to reign in the TeePeers. And why Dems just love Cruz, Palin, et al.

Yes politics sucks but all is not equivalent here, and looks like when the repugs are losing their shirts they parade out a slew of false equivalencies as a last line defense. Well, the repugs are losing this one and all is not the same in this political name blame game. Whether it affects the midterms is yet to be seen.

[Tom]

Obama said today that some House republicans refuse to give in, they want everything and will not budge, and this is not how you get things done.


Duh...that has been HIS position right along!

[NJ Stinks]

....Tell me if I am missing something here.....



1. I worked for the IRS for 33 years. The only political appointee I met was an IRS Commissioner. If everybody else was on some kind of gravy train, nobody told me.

2. Do you know anybody on Social Security who relies on SS to get by? If not, you live an amazingly sheltered life. How about somebody on Medicare? Do you want their claims processed or not? There is a ton of stuff the government does that doesn't affect me. Doesn't mean I don't care what happens to anybody else.

3. Irrational fear of the Tea Party? Where does this nonsense come from? Really. I have sympathy for the Tea Party. Because they got no shot at living in the country they want to live in. That's sad.

[Track Collector]

1. I worked for the IRS for 33 years. The only political appointee I met was an IRS Commissioner. If everybody else was on some kind of gravy train, nobody told me.

2. Do you know anybody on Social Security who relies on SS to get by? If not, you live an amazingly sheltered life. How about somebody on Medicare? Do you want their claims processed or not? There is a ton of stuff the government does that doesn't affect me. Doesn't mean I don't care what happens to anybody else.

3. Irrational fear of the Tea Party? Where does this nonsense come from? Really. I have sympathy for the Tea Party. Because they got no shot at living in the country they want to live in. That's sad.

No where did I say that EVERYBODY working for the government is there because of a political favor. I'm thinking more from top-level appointments. Ones that come to mind are GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt who was chosen to run the Jobs-Focused panel, and Lois Lerner, former head of the IRS.

Just because the government has an agency does not mean that it is essential. And just because an agency is essential does not mean that it is not possible that they are over-staffed. As for processing SS and Medicare claims, of course that is required work, and should be done, regardless of personal impact to me. You are either failing to see my point, or ignoring it, which is that there is a significant amount of waste in government, which can be trimmed to save expenses. How much depends on the objectivity of the person making the assessment. In today's world, it should not be surprising to learn that people REALLY have difficulty being able to tell the difference between a want and a need.

Regarding your 3rd item, this nonsense comes from reading the comments of hard-core left-wing bloggers. When they can't discuss things intelligently, they go off the deep end spouting filthy language and hatred. They are or become the very thing they greatly despise.

[NJ Stinks]

OK, Track Collector. (I appreciate the civil tone of our exchange.)

[burnsy]

So it's bragging rights for who sucks less :jump: :(

Smartest thing said in this thread, they brag about who sucks less. Thats the state of our politics and the debate. If you listen to the righties and lefties, its always the "other guy". The land of OZ, one side is always right the other is wrong but everything is screwed up and its neithers fault. MSNBC is reporting that the sky is going to fall (people are dying :liar: ) and FOX news is using veterans as political pawns because the memorials are closed. Who cares if the country goes to crap? I got my photo op and waved the flag at a wall for dead people. This moron Cruz is there with Sara Palin. Gee, where did they serve? Whats even more of a smear is average people eat this shit up. The whole country is some "big brother", "survivor" game show and the media can't get enough. Do people even realize that the whole world watches how we operate? When you are divided like this during tough times, its big trouble......The US has always beaten things like this by working together, if it crashes again it could get ugly. But hey, it makes a great "TV show"......."we only suck 61% and you suck 76%"...............:lol: :lol:

[shouldacoulda]

I think one definite sign you drank too much koolaid is if you think the government can run health care at all. They haven't even learned the basics in negotiation skills. They can't even pass a budget or control how much of OUR MONEY they urinate away. How can anybody in their right mind entrust their health care to them. Any of them.

I used to regret not having children, but after the way I see this country has gone downhill with its priorities and cow towing to the corporate money masters I'm glad I didn't.

[Robert Goren]

There is one indisputable fact that has come out this crisis. The Tea Party has a new leader and his name is Ted Cruz. A virtual unknown first term senator from Texas a month ago, he has parlayed this crisis into notoriety beyond most politicians dreams . Good-bye, Sarah Palin. Good-bye, father and son Ron and Rand Paul. Good-bye, Marco Rubio. Ted Cruz has stolen your spotlight. For better or worse. Ted Cruz is now the frontman of Tea Party. Congratulations Sen. Cruz, for a hand well played. This is stuff that books are written about and will be study by ambitious politicians for generations to come.
Although I disagree with him on almost everything, I stand in awe of what he has accomplished in the last month.

[Robert Goren]

I think one definite sign you drank too much koolaid is if you think the government can run health care at all. They haven't even learned the basics in negotiation skills. They can't even pass a budget or control how much of OUR MONEY they urinate away. How can anybody in their right mind entrust their health care to them. Any of them.

I used to regret not having children, but after the way I see this country has gone downhill with its priorities and cow towing to the corporate money masters I'm glad I didn't.They can't do any worse than the private sector has done.

[burnsy]

Wow, words of wisdom from Robert Goren. Hes right Cruz has become the "front man" for the tea party. ( i wonder what contributions he gets for that) The way its turned out i can see Ron Paul distancing himself from those whack jobs anyway, hes a libretarian. Hes also right about health care, the only reason the govt. got an "in" on this is because its so screwed up. There is no such thing as "health insurance".....once your old or sick.......your out! The govt. already pays for over 50% of the medical bills in this country. I research this shit! What the hell kind of (private) insurance is that? Thats what healthy people don't understand. I had the best plan money could buy.(member of a trades union)..then i got sick. Could not work and within a year i had no insurance at all....but i had cat scans and mri's that cost thousands. Its not even a "market commodity" like they try to sell people on. Once your sick, you will pay your left nut to get well or have your life saved.....i know , i've been there. I was not dying but i was pretty sick. You got a couple pills, a couple tests....your bill is 10 grand...no insurance? Oh, because we know your sick...have a good day. Then people sit there and wonder why we pay double....its hilarious. In cases like this, when the govt. steps in, its because people are getting screwed. I don't know if the "new" plan will work, educated guess, it will cost us at first, but the medical (insurance) industry had this coming long ago. You don't know what the hell your talking about until you get sick and "live it" first hand. Go to any bankruptcy court and about 60 to 70% are medical burdens (liability). Yeah, Joe Blow had great insurance, until he needed to make claims.......might as well hold a gun to the guy and steal his belongings.

[BlueShoe]

There is one indisputable fact that has come out this crisis. The Tea Party has a new leader and his name is Ted Cruz. A virtual unknown first term senator from Texas a month ago, he has parlayed this crisis into notoriety beyond most politicians dreams . Good-bye, Sarah Palin. Good-bye, father and son Ron and Rand Paul. Good-bye, Marco Rubio. Ted Cruz has stolen your spotlight. For better or worse. Ted Cruz is now the frontman of Tea Party. Congratulations Sen. Cruz, for a hand well played. This is stuff that books are written about and will be study by ambitious politicians for generations to come.
Although I disagree with him on almost everything, I stand in awe of what he has accomplished in the last month.
Lets see now Bobby, change a few names, go back to 2008, and haven't you pretty much described Barack Obama?

[classhandicapper]

The captain of the Titanic being Ted Cruz? Or is it John Boehner captain and the ist mate and navigator being Ted Cruz? :lol:

I always have a difficult time remembering republican royalty. I guess it doesn't matter at all, Queen Sarah rules behind the curtain anyway.

I would put you very high on the list of delusional idealists that do not understand that the path the US is on currently will ultimately destroy their own standard of living. You are too busy celebrating the polls that indicate our ignorant electorate is blaming republicans for this short term non event.

[classhandicapper]

I never would have guess 20 years ago that Pat Buchanan would understand what's at stake, but he seems to have a better grasp of it than the entire left and most of the mainstream republicans.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/10/patrick-j-buchanan/goldwater-vs-rockefeller-again/

[johnhannibalsmith]

...celebrating the polls that indicate our ignorant electorate is blaming ....

I think it was yesterday - Chuckles Todd was on Today with the gaggle of clowns that comprise that morning show - and he was edumicating the masses on how "America" views this scenario based on their latest "poll".

He went heavily into the "who blames who" facet of it all, then into the demographics as described by respondents. His wonderful data revealed that over 50% of those polled basically considered themselves independent - or as Toddler put it "libertarian leaning". Well, he lost me at that last part since now the concept of libertarianism means that you support gay marriage (or rather the govt. divesting itself entirely) and you want dope to be legal. I highly doubt that most of the people that he decided were likely libertarian actually share much in common with the other end of the libertarian spectrum - like the responsibility factor - but okay, the Today show crowd is probably impressed.

The final poll question?

"Who do you trust most?"

The top two answers:

President Obama and Oprah Winfrey.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They must poll the same people as the late night shows do because there ain't nothing about that poll that made sense to me. That, or we really are about as dumb as it gets.

[classhandicapper]

I think it was yesterday - Chuckles Todd was on Today with the gaggle of clowns that comprise that morning show - and he was edumicating the masses on how "America" views this scenario based on their latest "poll".

He went heavily into the "who blames who" facet of it all, then into the demographics as described by respondents. His wonderful data revealed that over 50% of those polled basically considered themselves independent - or as Toddler put it "libertarian leaning". Well, he lost me at that last part since now the concept of libertarianism means that you support gay marriage (or rather the govt. divesting itself entirely) and you want dope to be legal. I highly doubt that most of the people that he decided were likely libertarian actually share much in common with the other end of the libertarian spectrum - like the responsibility factor - but okay, the Today show crowd is probably impressed.

The final poll question?

"Who do you trust most?"

The top two answers:

President Obama and Oprah Winfrey.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They must poll the same people as the late night shows do because there ain't nothing about that poll that made sense to me. That, or we really are about as dumb as it gets.

I find it hard to believe that a democracy can be successful when the electorate is as uneducated, ignorant, and lacking in basic understanding as is a good percentage of our country.

[BlueShoe]

I never would have guess 20 years ago that Pat Buchanan would understand what's at stake, but he seems to have a better grasp of it than the entire left and most of the mainstream republicans.
Pat has his faults, and has often been unfairly criticized, but he has always been mostly right for decades. Most GOP mainstreamers are neocons. Buchanan is a paleocon, and there are differences between the two schools of thought.

[Robert Goren]

I find it hard to believe that a democracy can be successful when the electorate is as uneducated, ignorant, and lacking in basic understanding as is a good percentage of our country. Actually most Americans can smell a con man a mile away. That is why the Tea Party have such a hard time winning elections. The also can smell a real leader. That why they have voted for Obama twice. I have a great deal of faith in the American people. The more they learn about the con men of tea party, the less they want to do with them.

[Valuist]

Actually most Americans can smell a con man a mile away. That why they SHOULD NEVER have voted for Obama . I have a great deal of faith in the American SHEEPLE. The more they learn about the con men who are community activists, the less they want to do with them.

Now its fixed.

[BlueShoe]

I have a great deal of faith in the American people. The more they learn about the con men of tea party, the less they want to do with them.TEA Party? :confused: You mean Democratic Party, right? The presidential election is more than three years away. After 3 years of Obamacare the nation will send the GOP back to the WhiteHouse, hold onto the House, and may take back the Senate. May not even have to wait that long, could take the Senate in 2014 and will hold the House. Already hearing lots and lots of angry voices about Obamacare.

[FantasticDan]

After 3 years of Obamacare the nation will send the GOP back to the WhiteHouse, hold onto the House, and may take back the Senate. May not even have to wait that long, could take the Senate in 2014 and will hold the House. Already hearing lots and lots of angry voices about Obamacare. :D Hope this big prediction works out better for you than your last one:

Originally Posted by BlueShoe
11/06/2011 One Year From Today.
Is Election Day, Tuesday, November 6, 2012. On this day the Nation will defeat the re election bid of Barack Hussein Obama and start back on the path toward the restoration of a Constitutional Republic. On this day the worst president in the history of the United States of America will be thwarted in his effort to impose Marxist totalitarianism.

[Robert Goren]

TEA Party? :confused: You mean Democratic Party, right? The presidential election is more than three years away. After 3 years of Obamacare the nation will send the GOP back to the WhiteHouse, hold onto the House, and may take back the Senate. May not even have to wait that long, could take the Senate in 2014 and will hold the House. Already hearing lots and lots of angry voices about Obamacare.Around here any angry voices about Obamacare have drown out by angry voices about Nebraska congressmen and senators still drawing a paycheck during the shutdown. For the record, Nebraska has an all GOP congressional delegation, but that may change next year. The congressman from Omaha has especially gotten a lot of flack. Omaha has a lot civilians military workers who have been furloughed. The 8 term congressman, Lee Terry, from Omaha won in 2012 by only 2% points despite outspending his democratic opponent by 4 to 1.

[hcap]

I would put you very high on the list of delusional idealists that do not understand that the path the US is on currently will ultimately destroy their own standard of living. You are too busy celebrating the polls that indicate our ignorant electorate is blaming republicans for this short term non event.As I just told you on another thread..... "that's why there is vanilla and chocolate."

You are to busy celebrating your assumed winner in the economic debate . OBJECTIVISM has not won. No matter how often you claim it has. No, sorry to break your bubble but Ayn Rand is not god teaching us economics 101.

[Tom]

Refresh my memory here, Nebraska is the capital of what, East Dakota?

[HUSKER55]

West Dakota......glad I could clarify that for you.

[Robert Goren]

Refresh my memory here, Nebraska is the capital of what, East Dakota?It is a place where republicans will win elections if they don't totally screw up.

[hcap]

Refresh my memory here, Nebraska is the capital of what, East Dakota?You planning to move and run the railroad on static electricity?

[BlueShoe]

:D Hope this big prediction works out better for you than your last one:
So you are such a good handicapper that you pick 100% winners, never have a loser? Besides that, back in 2009 leftists said that conservatism was dead and that the GOP would soon be extinct. How did that one work out for you in the 2010 election?

[Tom]

It is a place where republicans will win elections if they don't totally screw up.

Do you have no dems in your state who getting paid, too?

[BlueShoe]

Refresh my memory here, Nebraska is the capital of what, East Dakota?
Nebraska is a state located in the Central Great Plains. Their voters are pretty smart and usually elect Republicans. They used to have a very good college football team. Think that they are called the Nebraska Cornholers, or something like that.

[FantasticDan]

So you are such a good handicapper that you pick 100% winners, never have a loser?Losers aplenty, but I tend to keep my more twisted picks to myself instead of trumpeting them with an arrogant confidence.

[Robert Goren]

Do you have no dems in your state who getting paid, too?Not in congress or in statewide offices. Both the mayor of Lincoln and of Omaha are republicans. There are few in the state legislature, but not very many(maybe 12 out of 49. It is officially non partisan. We have the only unicameral in the nation.). While all are very solidly conservative even by your standards, certainly more conservative than anyone office holder in NY state I dare say , self-proclaimed Tea Party candidates have had problems getting out of the primaries . My congressional district which includes Lincoln last elected a democrat in 1964 for exactly one term. You would have to go back to 1939 to find the last one before him. Since 1940 we have had only 4 democratic US senators and 5 governors. The republican presidential candidate has carried Nebraska in every election since 1940 except in 1964. In 2008, Obama got 1 electoral vote to McCain's 4.

[highnote]

The next election will be interesting.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

It seems like half of all Republicans are Tea Partiers, and TPers are very influential.

Conversely, the majority of Democrats are not as far left as Occupy Wall Street and OW Streeters have very little influence..

It seems like the Democrats will win or keep seats because less than half the party is ligned with Occupy Wall Street; whereas, it seems like the half of the Republicans that are aligned with Tea Party values will have a big influence on the Republican's chances.

[Robert Goren]

Nebraska is a state located in the Central Great Plains. Their voters are pretty smart and usually elect Republicans. They used to have a very good college football team. Think that they are called the Nebraska Cornholers, or something like that.They have dropped the "corn" from the name, so they are huskers or holers :rolleyes: if you like. Currently they are worst 5-1 team of the BCS teams. UCLA exposed them for the fraud they are. They could easily lose 4 games in Nov. But they would trounce any college team from NY and maybe the Giants. :rolleyes:

[highnote]

They have dropped the "corn" from the name, so they are huskers or holers :rolleyes: if you like. Currently they are worst 5-1 team of the BCS teams. UCLA exposed them for the fraud they are. They could easily lose 4 games in Nov. But they would trounce any college team from NY and maybe the Giants. :rolleyes:


We visited the campus last year. The new stadium is huge! Not sure how much it cost, but it couldn't have been cheap!

[Robert Goren]

We visited the campus last year. The new stadium is huge! Not sure how much it cost, but it couldn't have been cheap! It was built in 1923 at cost of $413,000 ($5.9 million in 2013 dollars)seating 31,000. It has been expanded and remodeled many times. The last remodeling completed this year cost $65 million and expanded it to 91,000.

[Tom]

Not in congress or in statewide offices. Both the mayor of Lincoln and of Omaha are republicans.

Great! Big Red State! :D

[BlueShoe]

Currently they are worst 5-1 team of the BCS teams. UCLA exposed them for the fraud they are.
In all fairness, that was a very good Bruin squad that rolled over them in the second half when the 'Huskers seemed to be sleep walking. UCLA now #9 in the AP poll, Nebraska not in the top 25, although #21 in the USA. Yes, that is a rugged November schedule, none of the 5 teams they play are what might be called bad ones.

[hcap]

I would put you very high on the list of delusional idealists that do not understand that the path the US is on currently will ultimately destroy their own standard of living. You are too busy celebrating the polls that indicate our ignorant electorate is blaming republicans for this short term non event.Delusional idealists? Our ignorant electorate? Excuse me, my free Obamaphone is ringing and my free KFC dinner is getting cold. Meanwhile I point you to this celebration of House Repugs clearly losing the shirts.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2014-national-house-race

Notice how one interactive chart shows how badly the GOP hurt itself since June

[PaceAdvantage]

Would it bother you if I told you I couldn't give a rats ass if a Republican never again won any election ever? Local, regional national...don't care...

In fact, I would like to see Dems in complete control of everything. Bring this mutha down....so we can all be like Detroit some day....

[hcap]

Would it bother you if I told you I couldn't give a rats ass if a Republican never again won any election ever? Local, regional national...don't care...Me too!!! From your mouth to God's ears

Yiddish:

פֿון דײַן מויל אין גאָטס אויערן

"fun dayn moyl in gots oyern"

[PaceAdvantage]

Both parties have screwed this country so far and so deep on both a national and local scale, that there is no way anyone of any substance, character or intelligence could succeed in digging us out, no matter the party affiliation.

Not only that, they wouldn't be ALLOWED to at this point, as we've been screwed THAT MUCH....this country is like an old, dirty, toothless meth hag holding on for one more hit before she dies.... (I started watching Breaking Bad a few months ago...lol)

[fast4522]

Sure the country is offtrack Mike, one only has to remember the peanut years. President Ronald Reagan was the contrast or the flip side from another who embraced these vulgar policy's we see today. Now things look bleak because embracing socialism will screw jobs for years to come, do not count out your fellow Americans from rejecting these policy's in a big way in the near future.
Some of the degenerates will die off, and another star will be born that will win and reject these policy's.

[hcap]

Ah! another misinterpretation of Darwinism applied to ones' fellow man. To illustrate the modern TeePeer Nietzsche ubermensch theory of f**k 'em

Hey Fast maybe you can play some select Nietzsche tuba solos for us? Nazi's loved those.

[hcap]

Here's Charlie Cook on repugs drinking da Kool Aid

http://www.nationaljournal.com/the-cook-report/conservatives-get-a-grip-on-reality-20131017

Here’s a question for conservatives and Republicans: Going into the 2012 Election Day, or even in the last few days before Election Day, did you think Mitt Romney was going to win? A couple of months ago, did you think the strategy of threatening to shut down the government or prevent raising the debt ceiling, to force the outright repeal or defunding of Obamacare, would really work? Romney lost by 4,967,508 votes, 126 Electoral College votes, and 3.85 percentage points. That’s not very close. Obamacare isn’t going to be repealed this year, and it’s not going to be defunded.

So the question is whether conservatives and Republicans should begin to worry if their instincts—specifically, their judgment on matters of politics and policy—are a bit off. Maybe “spectacularly wrong” would be more accurate. Does that worry anyone on the right or in the Republican Party? Are they concerned that continuing to follow such awful political instincts could lead to catastrophic consequences for their movement and their party?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[sammy the sage]

Both parties have screwed this country so far and so deep on both a national and local scale, that there is no way anyone of any substance, character or intelligence could succeed in digging us out, no matter the party affiliation.

Not only that, they wouldn't be ALLOWED to at this point, as we've been screwed THAT MUCH....this country is like an old, dirty, toothless meth hag holding on for one more hit before she dies.... (I started watching Breaking Bad a few months ago...lol)

Well consider me impressed...interesting that former pugs are finally seeing THE big picture...

the libs are mostly totally hopeless...alas...one can lead a jackass to water; but you can't make 'em drink to save itself.

Now what do we do about it?

[fast4522]

Ah! another misinterpretation of Darwinism applied to ones' fellow man. To illustrate the modern TeePeer Nietzsche ubermensch theory of f**k 'em

Hey Fast maybe you can play some select Nietzsche tuba solos for us? Nazi's loved those.


"tuba solos" for you, sure when it is your last post.

I and many others believe in a America from not to long ago, get over it and DD.

[JustRalph]

Well consider me impressed...interesting that former pugs are finally seeing THE big picture...

the libs are mostly totally hopeless...alas...one can lead a jackass to water; but you can't make 'em drink to save itself.

Now what do we do about it?

It must be fun portraying yourself as the narrator in the middle of a circle jerk

[hcap]

I and many others believe in a America from not to long ago, get over it and DD.What circa 1890? :)

You were on a roll until you posted what I assume to be a personal insult. DD Translation please?

[sammy the sage]

It must be fun portraying yourself as the narrator in the middle of a circle jerk

:lol: ...ouch...good one...

[HUSKER55]

you guys are aware that 63% of all people want the incumbents out.

[TJDave]

you guys are aware that 63% of all people want the incumbents out.

They aren't serious. They never are.

Incumbents know this.

[rastajenk]

They want other incumbents out, not their own.

[fast4522]

Daily Double will not be yours, during the mid term elections there will be more Tea Party elected. And I thought horse players knew it all. :lol: :lol:

[hcap]

Nah, that is not what you were babbling about.

[HUSKER55]

seriously, what would it take to get a movement started over the internet to vote out every incumbent, even your own.

actually, by any means. If that many people are ready to admit that all incumbents need to go, then what will it take to make them do it?


as much as it pains me to say this,...hcap and mostpost may be right. these people are not going to change because even dynamite will not blast them off their ass. yes....that includes an aggressive stool softener. :D

Any ideas or do we just keep yelling and hope?

just saying.....

[hcap]

hcap and mostpost ARE right.

We can start by removing all the House repugs, and see what happens :lol:

[nomad1102]

hcap and mostpost ARE right.

We can start by removing all the House repugs, and see what happens :lol:

What would happen differently if the presidency, house and senate were super majority controlled by the dems?

[Tom]

We would have a debt of 50 trillion.
There would be no borders.
Our dollar would be worth 5 cents.

[hcap]

What would happen differently if the presidency, house and senate were super majority controlled by the dems?Initially things would move to the left. Needed social justice issue would be enacted. Then corruption could be a real problem unless new representatives really reflected the will of the people. So without the true support of the people, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Politics is a poor tool to change human behavior, but it can level the playing field.

[PaceAdvantage]

Initially things would move to the left. Needed social justice issue would be enacted. Then corruption could be a real problem unless new representatives really reflected the will of the people. So without the true support of the people, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Politics is a poor tool to change human behavior, but it can level the playing field.Notice he says nothing of getting spending under control, which is the biggest problem this country faces at the moment.

They don't care one bit about getting their bills under control. They only care about "social justice." At any price necessary.

Until we're all like Detroit (which by the way, I believe, is under super majority Democratic control, and has been for like, FOREVER), they won't be satisfied.

Hcap, how is social justice doing in Detroit these days? Minorities and poverty are a thing of the past there, correct? In fact, isn't the majority in poverty? :bang:

I guess that counts as a success in the dem playbook... :bang: :bang:

[hcap]

I have answered all this before other than the standard crap about democratic cities like Detroit. Don't wanna repeat all of it again. But please don't tell me the biggest problem we face is deficit spending over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Remember you have not won the off topic repetitious TeePe-er argument of runaway spending, just because you say so.

[PaceAdvantage]

I have answered all this before other than the standard crap about democratic cities like Detroit. Don't wanna repeat all of it again. But please don't tell me the biggest problem we face is deficit spending over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Remember you have not won the off topic repetitious TeePe-er argument of runaway spending, just because you say so.Until you understand the problem, I guess we'll have to keep repeating it over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

That's what you have to do with people who have trouble grasping simple math problems. You speak of Tom and fast as dumb and dumber.

Where do you classify yourself as you refuse to acknowledge simple economics?

This continuous need to raise the debt ceiling...you see this as a positive I suppose? :lol:

Thus, we have to try and keep pounding it into your thick cranium what the real problem is...

Yeah, I get it...Republicans spent like drunken sailors too...but at least we're acknowledging the problem...you guys continue on as if it doesn't exist, and the only goal is this supposed SOCIAL JUSTICE...at any cost necessary...

Meanwhile, I'll keep pounding away.... :bang: :bang: :bang:

[hcap]

Sorry Mike not every one thinks:

a) the debt is runaway
b) will be as high as you claim.
c) it is the primary problem we have to face immediately and ignore other things like jobs.
d) Last but most importantly and is what you guys exlode your heads about Ayn Rands' Objectivism has any chance to solve the debt problem

To repeat this over and over again as the explanation foe everything is is bonkers and in many cases it involves exploding heads to endlessly post their OPINIONS, and is quite insulting that you think you have have the right to explain all government from this rather limited perspective. We agree that it must be dealt with, but we will never agree that the Tea Party--Ayn Rand meme---about makers and takers is the way to do it. Total crap and what you guys post over and over again is like a repetitious John Galt monologue. Among economists Galtian philosophy is not a very popular approach. At all

I got a great idea. You guys can simply say "A" (deficits) because of "B" ( Rands' lazy takers) to answer any thing libs have to say about ANYTHING and be done with it. Just like you can call libs "C" for "commies" and "S" for "socialist and be done with the insults :sleeping:

[PaceAdvantage]

Sorry Mike not every one thinks:

a) the debt is runaway
b) will be as high as you claim.
c) it is the primary problem we have to face immediately and ignore other things like jobs.
d) Last but most importantly and is what you guys exlode your heads about Ayn Rands' Objectivism has any chance to solve the debt problem

To repeat this over and over again as the explanation foe everything is is bonkers and in many cases it involves exploding heads to endlessly post their OPINIONS, and is quite insulting that you think you have have the right to explain all government from this rather limited perspective. We agree that it must be dealt with, but we will never agree that the Tea Party--Ayn Rand meme---about makers and takers is the way to do it. Total crap and what you guys post over and over again is like a repetitious John Galt monologue. Among economists Galtian philosophy is not a very popular approach. At all

I got a great idea. You guys can simply say "A" (deficits) because of "B" ( Rands' lazy takers) to answer any thing libs have to say about ANYTHING and be done with it. Just like you can call libs "C" for "commies" and "S" for "socialist and be done with the insults :sleeping:I don't know where you get this Atlas Shrugged thing from...who exactly is quoting this over and over again?

I just started reading it not too long ago (mostly because of YOU by the way). And I'm not even halfway through this gargantuan novel and I downloaded it a LONG time ago...so can the Ayn Rand stuff...this must be some directive from your mother ship, as you left-leaners love to talk about it way more than the right-leaners here.

To address each of your points:

a) The debt is runaway. We've been running that debt clock in Times Square for years, have we not? If it's not runaway, then what the hell would you call it? Controlled? Decreasing? :lol:

b) I don't claim where the debt will be, because I have no clue how high our elected officials are willing to go. From where I sit at the moment, it appears the sky is the limit...mostpost wrote recently there should be NO debt limit...or am I mistaken on that?

c) It is the primary problem. And besides, I thought you claimed that this administration is doing well at creating jobs...or are you pulling back on that claim?

d) see above

[HUSKER55]

You libs do understand that you can't spend yourself rich? Have any of you ever considered what happens when it falls?

What will happen to you when happens.