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Rookies
09-27-2013, 10:23 PM
Since, we're running out the lists, here are mine:


1. Cy Young


2. Walter Johnson


3. Grover Cleveland Alexander


4. Roger Clemens


5. Bob Gibson


6. Greg Maddux


7. Sandy Koufax


8. Lefty Grove


9. Tom Seaver


10. Satchel Paige


10a. Mo Rivera

PhantomOnTour
09-27-2013, 10:39 PM
Warren Spahn always gets left off

wiffleball whizz
09-27-2013, 10:46 PM
Pedro is on this list as well as randy Johnson too....

There are some real stiff boxes on this list

cj's dad
09-28-2013, 01:59 AM
Jim Palmer not on the list ? really !

Marshall Bennett
09-28-2013, 05:38 AM
Jim Palmer not on the list ? really !
I know you're an Orioles fan, but Palmer?

JustRalph
09-28-2013, 05:43 AM
Nolan Ryan ? Not on the list?

Bob Gibson was one of my Favs. Loved his brush back pitches.

Seaver was incredible too.

precocity
09-28-2013, 09:33 AM
Nolan Ryan ? Not on the list?

Bob Gibson was one of my Favs. Loved his brush back pitches.

Seaver was incredible too.

exactly no nolan ryan?

cj's dad
09-28-2013, 11:03 AM
I know you're an Orioles fan, but Palmer?

Yeah, he stunk it up. 8 - 20 win seasons in 9 years, and in 1975 he won 23 with 25 complete games; repeat 25 complete games and 10 of his 23 wins were shutouts.

Marshall Bennett
09-28-2013, 11:27 AM
Yeah, he stunk it up. 8 - 20 win seasons in 9 years, and in 1975 he won 23 with 25 complete games; repeat 25 complete games and 10 of his 23 wins were shutouts.
Ferguson Jenkins : 7 - 20+ win seasons, 8 - 20+ complete game seasons including a 30 complete game season, 6 - 200+ strikeout seasons, only 37 walks in 325 innings in 1971 (led league), 5 seasons with 300+ innings pitched.
An outstanding hitter for a pitcher as well. Batted .243 with 6 home runs in 115 at-bats in 1971 with 20 RBI's.
Jenkins did not make the top ten list nor did Bob Gibson as Ralph eluded to. Gibson was a far better pitcher than Palmer on any day of the week imo.
Palmer could sell men's underwear better than any baseball player on the planet, I'll hand ya that much, Dad. :)

cj's dad
09-28-2013, 12:00 PM
Ya got me there MB

BTW- Gibson was my fave pitcher of all time

green80
09-28-2013, 12:57 PM
I agree, Bob Gibson. One of the best, ever. Would pitch well on 2-3 days rest. Played basketball a year for the Harlem Globetrotters.

redshift1
09-28-2013, 01:37 PM
Clemens inclusion a question mark with the PED's.

Rookies
09-28-2013, 03:49 PM
Ferguson Jenkins : 7 - 20+ win seasons, 8 - 20+ complete game seasons including a 30 complete game season, 6 - 200+ strikeout seasons, only 37 walks in 325 innings in 1971 (led league), 5 seasons with 300+ innings pitched.
An outstanding hitter for a pitcher as well. Batted .243 with 6 home runs in 115 at-bats in 1971 with 20 RBI's.
Jenkins did not make the top ten list nor did Bob Gibson as Ralph eluded to. Gibson was a far better pitcher than Palmer on any day of the week imo.
Palmer could sell men's underwear better than any baseball player on the planet, I'll hand ya that much, Dad. :)

5.Bob Gibson

Did you miss that??

I'm old school.... very old school about Baseball. Have seen Burns' masterpiece more than once and read many books, articles, etc. on the subject. The early oldtimers dominate- because they did, hundreds of Ws, complete games, back to backs, etc.

Take Johnson for example, from Wiki:

"One of the most celebrated and dominating players in baseball history, Johnson established several pitching records, some of which remain unbroken. He remains by far the all-time career leader in shutouts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutout_(baseball)) with 110,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Johnson#cite_note-Today_in_History-2) second in wins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win%E2%80%93loss_record_(pitching)) with 417, and fourth in complete games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_games) with 531. He once held the career record in strikeouts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeout) with 3,508 and was the only player in the 3,000 strikeout club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3,000_strikeout_club) for over 50 years until Bob Gibson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Gibson) recorded his 3,000th strikeout in 1974. Johnson led the league in strikeouts a Major League record 12 times—one more than current strikeout leader Nolan Ryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Ryan)—including a record eight consecutive seasons. In a 21-year career, Johnson had twelve 20-win seasons, including ten in a row. Twice, he topped thirty wins (33 in 1912 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_in_baseball) and 36 in 1913 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1913_in_baseball)).[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Johnson#cite_note-10) Johnson's record includes 110 shutouts, the most in baseball history. Johnson had a 38–26 record in games decided by a 1–0 score;[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Johnson#cite_note-Greatest_Records_p.34-11) both his win total and his losses in these games are major league records. Johnson also lost 65 games because his teams failed to score a run

Would have included Ryan, Spahn, Jenkins, Pedro & even Palmer in the Top 25, but not 10. The only reason Satchel isn't higher is because of Racism. He would have been cinch Top 5 if he got in as a kid.

cj
09-28-2013, 05:22 PM
Not top 10 all time (like I know anything about Cy Young and Walter Johnson...maybe me Dad can help there!), but Ron Guidry was as dominant for one season in 1978 as any pitcher I can remember, and he had a nice career overall.

Tom
09-28-2013, 05:28 PM
Holy Cow! Guidry was Superman for the Yanks.
He tops my list because I watched every game that year.

TJDave
09-28-2013, 06:04 PM
As a former Dodger fan this is probably sacrilege but you have to put Marichal on here.

cj's dad
09-28-2013, 08:21 PM
Not top 10 all time (like I know anything about Cy Young and Walter Johnson...maybe me Dad can help there!), but Ron Guidry was as dominant for one season in 1978 as any pitcher I can remember, and he had a nice career overall.

My God !!! How old do you think I am ???

cj
09-28-2013, 09:10 PM
My God !!! How old do you think I am ???

I knew you would like that! Tell me about Nap Lajoie!

JustRalph
09-28-2013, 09:37 PM
I saw Guidry pitch for the Columbus Clippers once on a rehab assignment. He threw 3 innings if my memory s right. Not one pitch was hit out of the box. A couple of foul balls were all they could muster against him. After the game he was asked how he was feeling. He said "70%"

Two days later he was back in NY. It was a real treat at the time. The stadium was standing room only. When Guidry was finished the place cleared out.

Tom
09-28-2013, 11:22 PM
We had just gotten cable in this area in the mid 70's and Channel 11 from NYC featured Yankee Baseball. Yankees were huge around here and once the "drink was stirred" Yankee baseball was a way of live. Guidry's days on the mound were circled in red on any calendar you looked at.