Pedro was better then koufax

[TheEdge07]

Pedro Martinez is a top 5 pitcher off all time.According to money numbers he was the best pitcher of our era to many hes one.

Koufax is considered by old school fans the best.Maddux and Clemens are way ahead..

Alright Koufax fans have it...

[headhawg]

A second baseball thread showing your lack of understanding. Doubled up on the ID 10 T pills or something? No comments are really necessary as your posts say it all.

[TheEdge07]

A second baseball thread showing your lack of understanding. Doubled up on the ID 10 T pills or something? No comments are really necessary as your posts say it all.

Koufax had those huge 6 years :lol: :lol: :rolleyes:

Throw out his last four years after injury Pedro was the best pitcher ever seen according to his numbers.14 years of total dominace in the steroid era..

[barn32]

Pedro was better then koufaxBlasphemy!

[horses4courses]

What's in that pipe you're smokin, Edge?

[wiffleball whizz]

What's in that pipe you're smokin, Edge?


He may be smoking a pipe but nobody was a bigger money line favorite then he was.....one of only a few pitchers to go into Yankee stadium in there glory years and be the favorite

[PhantomOnTour]

A second baseball thread showing your lack of understanding. Doubled up on the ID 10 T pills or something? No comments are really necessary as your posts say it all.
ID 10 T

I thought only computer nerds used that lame joke

[thaskalos]

Greg Maddux was better than both.

[Robert Goren]

Actually Pedro is a lot closer to Koufax than Kobe is to Bird. Both were unhittable for a while.

[headhawg]

ID 10 T

I thought only computer nerds used that lame jokeI would have written a**hat pills but 1) I wanted to be more subtle, and 2) I didn't want my post to be deleted.

[cj's dad]

Can you say PALMER

[TheEdge07]

If i put the numbers it wouldnt be close.Fans forget Koufax.wasnt great a long time..espn baseball insiders completed a pichers project on baseballs best picthers Pedro was the winner and it wasnt close koufax didnt make the top ten.Koufax overrated over it.

[thaskalos]

1992...20-11..(2.18)
1993...20-10..(2.35)
1994...16-6...(1.56)
1995...19-2...(1.63)
1996...15-11..(2.72)
1997...19-4...(2.20)
1998...18-9...(2.22)

Seven consecutive years...a record of 127-53, with an average ERA of 2.12!

[TheEdge07]

1992...20-11..(2.18)
1993...20-10..(2.35)
1994...16-6...(1.56)
1995...19-2...(1.63)
1996...15-11..(2.72)
1997...19-4...(2.20)
1998...18-9...(2.22)

Seven consecutive years...a record of 127-53, with an average ERA of 2.12!

Agree Thask..Now post Martinez numbers keep in mind he pitched at Fenway.

Maddux was filthy

Maddux always warmed up in the bullpen from the stretch(all pitchers except relievers warm up from the wind up) When asked he simply stated

67.5 percent of the time i will be pitching with runners on base.

[Valuist]

Agree Thask..Now post Martinez numbers keep in mind he pitched at Fenway.

Maddux was filthy

Maddux always warmed up in the bullpen from the stretch(all pitchers except relievers warm up from the wind up) When asked he simply stated

67.5 percent of the time i will be pitching with runners on base.

But not many of them scored.

[Ocala Mike]

Maddux is a vastly underrated pitcher. He was as smart as they come, and studied hitters for a living. All his strikes looked like balls, and all his balls looked like strikes. He didn't have to get hitters out, but invited them to get themselves out.

[Marshall Bennett]

Greg Maddux was better than both.
That's completely untrue. Perhaps if you compare careers (Koufax's was cut way short due to arm problems) you might have a case, but no way was Maddux a better pitcher. Check out the stats on Koufax's last 4 years before retiring, it's not even close.

[Robert Fischer]

Maddux is a vastly underrated pitcher. He was as smart as they come, and studied hitters for a living. All his strikes looked like balls, and all his balls looked like strikes. He didn't have to get hitters out, but invited them to get themselves out.


The rule of hitting is "get a good ball to hit". It is the strategy that the whole game of hitting revolves around. You need a good ball in order to hit it with authority. The rules of strikes and balls work along with this.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxo8yrJghP1qbcyhro1_1280.jpg
Ted Williams attempts to approximate his strike zone, and how effective he would be hitting a ball in different locations.

The best to ever do it were Ruth, Williams, and Bonds. These guys could walk 150 times and hit 35 home runs. They completely mastered the strategy of the game. "Get a good ball to hit". In horse racing terms, these guys never bet an underlay, and they hammered the overlays.

So the pitcher's rule is in direct relation to the hitter's. "Do not give them a good ball to hit" or "Get them to hit at a bad ball".

Maddux was a throw-back to an era when pitchers used their brain more than their backside.

All the greats pitch according to the rule. Looking at the Ted Williams chart above, Maddux would force hitters into swinging at pitches that were in their bad zones. He had perfect control. He had fairly rare master of the ability to "cut" the ball in both directions. Almost like a faster screwball, he could start a pitch outside(or inside to a lefthanded batter) and have it cut back over the plate. He could throw what looked like a circle-change that "fall off the table"(again moving away from left hand batters), and while he's painting corners, he could always throw a mediocre fastball - that looked like a good fastball to hitters after they are hanging all around the plate trying to hit the slow stuff. Lots of called strikes, lots of check swings, lots of flat out swinging at balls.

The common undisciplined hitter was completely hopeless, and the best hitters had to hit what Maddux gave them.

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[ronsmac]

The 1.74 era in 2000 might be the best in history considering the avg al era that yr.