Solar and wind power now cheaper than coal power in the U.S.

[hcap]

http://www.nrdc.org/media/2013/130917a.asp

WASHINGTON (September 17, 2013) – It’s less costly to get electricity from wind turbines and solar panels than coal-fired power plants when climate change costs and other health impacts are factored in, according to a new study published in the Journal of Environmental Studies and Sciences.

[dylbert]

It is sun and wind. Shouldn't everyone get this FREE ELECTRICITY?

[ArlJim78]

complete nonsense, you ought to be embarrassed to post that link.

[Tom]

I was thinking that myself.
Obviously, if you factor in the conversion from coal, and then the downtime because we all know solar and wind are not as reliable and cannot be used everywhere (especially off the shores of the Kennedy compound, where wind would have worked just fine, but it obstruction Fat Head Ted's view so it never allowed).

A sensible approach is freedom of choice, which the Tea Party is pushing hard for in Georgia, with an unlikely liberal partner!

[fast4522]

Do you mean they are not hardliner in the global tax stuff now?

[fast4522]

Lets see what our gal Sara has to say.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2685107074001/sarah-palin-on-her-political-future/?playlist_id=928378949001

[Clocker]

when climate change costs and other health impacts are factored in, according to a new study published in the Journal of Environmental Studies and Sciences.

That study does not include the medical costs for treating the emotional trauma to liberals caused by the deaths of thousands of birds killed by wind turbines. I also have it on good authority that the concentrated reflected sunshine from solar panels has resulted in the extinction of several species, including unicorns. Green energy studies conveniently ignore those and similar costs, which are as valid and as easily quantified as the other hypothetical climate change costs that are included in those studies.

[burnsy]

I don't know if its cheaper yet but Germany has halted all new nuclear power plants and has begun to close others. Threy are pretty much kicking everyone elses ass with this technology. After they saw what happened in Japan they got wise real quick. Americans used to jump on these new technologies but they are brain washed and many are owned by oil companies. When all these things come to fruition.....which they always do. The same people (bitching now) will be bitching later because we have to buy it from another country. Americans, dumber by the day.......yeah, oil and coal,,,,,thats the future.....:bang: Yup, this is the attitude we used to develop cars, flying and space travel.....gotta love todays society. I read we rank about 18th-23rd in math and science, definetly going in the right direction..........:lol: Go put your blue wal mart apron on and get to work.....The WWE is on at 9 pm don't you want to get home? You'll miss Jerry Springer and Maury.

[ArlJim78]

Sorry to spoil your little rant burnsy but the US hasn't built a nuclear plant since the 70's and Germany is going full speed ahead with coal-fired plants.
so yeah, coal is the future.

[sammy the sage]

That study does not include the medical costs for treating the emotional trauma to liberals caused by the deaths of thousands of birds killed by wind turbines. I also have it on good authority that the concentrated reflected sunshine from solar panels has resulted in the extinction of several species, including unicorns. Green energy studies conveniently ignore those and similar costs, which are as valid and as easily quantified as the other hypothetical climate change costs that are included in those studies.

I see what ya did thar :lol:

[Tom]

Wind mills are Veg-a-matics for Spotted Owls! :eek:

[HUSKER55]

you guys do understand that the only reason your appliances require 110v ac is because that is what is available?

Granddad had a furnace that ran on 12 volts which ran for several days with a bank of batteries charged up by a windmill.

then there is the issue of LED lights.

I am not a fan of paying large electric bills.

[hcap]

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/05/06/1966071/four-must-see-charts-show-why-renewable-energy-is-disruptive-in-a-good-way/

Brian McConnell made a graph that shows what has happened to the price of energy (in gigajoules) since 1980 for solar power, natural gas, crude oil, and then residential electricity.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/disruptive-solar-e1367857283648.png

The graph above compares the price history of solar energy to conventional energy sources. This is what a disruptive technology looks like. While conventional energy prices remained pretty flat in inflation adjusted terms, the cost of solar is dropping,fast, and is likely to continue doing so as technology and manufacturing processes improve.

[badcompany]

That study does not include the medical costs for treating the emotional trauma to liberals caused by the deaths of thousands of birds killed by wind turbines. I also have it on good authority that the concentrated reflected sunshine from solar panels has resulted in the extinction of several species, including unicorns. Green energy studies conveniently ignore those and similar costs, which are as valid and as easily quantified as the other hypothetical climate change costs that are included in those studies.

Also note the tacit admission that Global Warming is a scam by replacing the term with "Climate Change."

[DJofSD]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/09/22/wind-energy-gets-away-with-murder/

[Tom]

You said it, hcap, as price drops, demand will rise.
The free market in action. You capitalist - pig! :rolleyes::lol:
Not some stupid ill-conceived government mandate.

We should use all forms of energy, wherever that are most appropriate.
Coal and natural gas and nuclear included.

We should be drilling in the Gulf and in Alaska - every drop we get here is one less drop and one less dollar into Middle Eastern arsenals. e have no friends in the Middle East other than Israel. It makes no sense to remain dependent on them.

[Robert Goren]

You said it, hcap, as price drops, demand will rise.
The free market in action. You capitalist - pig! :rolleyes::lol:
Not some stupid ill-conceived government mandate.

We should use all forms of energy, wherever that are most appropriate.
Coal and natural gas and nuclear included.

We should be drilling in the Gulf and in Alaska - every drop we get here is one less drop and one less dollar into Middle Eastern arsenals. e have no friends in the Middle East other than Israel. It makes no sense to remain dependent on them.Except we are selling a lot of it to the Far East. The way our distribution network for gasoline is set up, it makes sense to buy from the Arabs and sell to China. A lot of money is being spent to keep it that way just as lot of money is being spent to keep cars running on gasoline rather NG. The people who own the refineries like things the way they are. The Keystone pipeline all about getting oil to the coastal refineries so it can be sold to China. Notice they aren't building a pipeline to the East coast where most the people and cars are.

[HUSKER55]

Keep going tom. Pretty soon you will convert Hcap to a conservative!:eek: :D

[Tom]

Bobby,

That is why we elect government - to do those things we cannot do on our own. Too bad we get so little real action out of them. All Obama has done is talk about energy independence. The greatest nation on Earth is stalled out by incompetence.

[Robert Goren]

Bobby,

That is why we elect government - to do those things we cannot do on our own. Too bad we get so little real action out of them. All Obama has done is talk about energy independence. The greatest nation on Earth is stalled out by incompetence. Or by a bought and paid for congress. You don't oilmen like the Koch brothers are spending all that money on elections because they are pro life, do you?

[Tom]

Obama is supposed to be a leader - he should be taking a leadership role, and that means more than empty prattle. I would support positive action from him, but all he has ever done is blame others and whine to the public like was still campaigning. Ih ever grows a set and stands for something.....well, that will never happen, so why speculate? :rolleyes:

[BlueShoe]

"DRILL BABY, DRILL!"

[Robert Goren]

Obama is supposed to be a leader - he should be taking a leadership role, and that means more than empty prattle. I would support positive action from him, but all he has ever done is blame others and whine to the public like was still campaigning. Ih ever grows a set and stands for something.....well, that will never happen, so why speculate? :rolleyes:You will knock him at every turn because you have bought into the story that the hard right tells. He got health care reform passed something every democrat president and some GOP presidents have tried to do since FDR. I know you don't like it, but it took real leadership to do that.

[Clocker]

I know you don't like it, but it took real leadership to do that.

Let's put the blame where it belongs. Pelosi and Reid passed ObamaCare, with a lot of strong arming behind the scenes from Rahm Emanuel. Obama had even less of a clue as to what was in it than the Democrats in Congress who voted for it. Going out on the perpetual campaign trail urging the public to support the bill is hardly leadership. He still doesn't know what is in it, and doesn't care. All he ever cared about was his legacy.

[Robert Goren]

"DRILL BABY, DRILL!" Like that is going to any good when it cost more to get from drilling than it does to buy it from the Arabs. They could open the North Slope in Alaska and pay $ 130 a barrel to get it and get it to the people who would use it on the East coast. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. The problem with "drill baby, drill" idea is that the oil left in the USA is not any place close to where the users are. Of course we could move Tom and the rest of the east coast to Alaska. :rolleyes:

[BlueShoe]

Like that is going to any good when it cost more to get from drilling than it does to buy it from the Arabs. They could open the North Slope in Alaska and pay $ 130 a barrel to get it and get it to the people who would use it on the East coast. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. The problem with "drill baby, drill" idea is that the oil left in the USA is not any place close to where the users are. Of course we could move Tom and the rest of the east coast to Alaska. :rolleyes:
Did liberals ever hear about offshore drilling, which can be perfectly safe and actually attracts and enhances wildlife, not harm it? They can do more of it in a place called California, which the last time we checked, is pretty close to where there are a few users :rolleyes: , and the Gulf states. Then there was a little proposal called the Keystone Pipeline, which the Obama administration harpooned because it might displace a few bugs.

[tucker6]

You will knock him at every turn because you have bought into the story that the hard right tells. He got health care reform passed something every democrat president and some GOP presidents have tried to do since FDR. I know you don't like it, but it took real leadership to do that.
hahaha. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You really think it took great leadership to pass a bill through Congress with essentially only your party voting for it?? That's rich. For something that monumental, the country and Congress should have been much more united. The lack of hard leadership by Obama is why his Obamacare is fated an ugly death by starvation over time.

[JustRalph]

hahaha. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You really think it took great leadership to pass a bill through Congress with essentially only your party voting for it?? That's rich. For something that monumental, the country and Congress should have been much more united. The lack of hard leadership by Obama is why his Obamacare is fated an ugly death by starvation over time.

The real irony in this thread is that they had to bribe a senator to get it passed. The "cornhusker kickback" is the only reason it passed. Yet a cornhusker is touting the events in this thread.........

[Tom]

hahaha. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You really think it took great leadership to pass a bill through Congress with essentially only your party voting for it?? That's rich. For something that monumental, the country and Congress should have been much more united. The lack of hard leadership by Obama is why his Obamacare is fated an ugly death by starvation over time.

The funny part about it is that it was so hard to get it passed when they had enough votes to did without repubs. Leadership? Dumb Luck.

[DJofSD]

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