Govt shutdown business

[iceknight]

Can someone please explain to me how this is regularly predicted to happen in the "greatest nation on earth"..

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/19/news/economy/government-shutdown-what-happens/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[JustRalph]

Can someone please explain to me how this is regularly predicted to happen in the "greatest nation on earth"..

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/19/news/economy/government-shutdown-what-happens/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Politics baby!! Remember when Obama told his followers to bring a gun to a knife fight.........the house owns this gun............

Personally I would be all for it........as long as they stay shut down

[fast4522]

The United States Congress is not going to issue this President any blank checks. We as a nation have 17 Trillion of national debt, before it reaches 20 Trillion it will feel like Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, as if people feel they can breath freely now. :lol:

[jerry-g]

I don't think there is anything to worry about. I see this morning that
people are lined up in hoards, some having waited all night long at the
Millennium Mall in Florida, just to be able to pay $200 for a telephone.
In a depression, we usually see soup lines, not telephone lines.

[iceknight]

I don't think there is anything to worry about. I see this morning that
people are lined up in hoards, some having waited all night long at the
Millennium Mall in Florida, just to be able to pay $200 for a telephone.
In a depression, we usually see soup lines, not telephone lines. many of them could be buying that with fake money (aka credit) or with ebt (not directly but by exchange for cash etc)...

[Robert Goren]

Can someone please explain to me how this is regularly predicted to happen in the "greatest nation on earth"..

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/19/news/economy/government-shutdown-what-happens/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 Election years are starting earlier and earlier. Politicians first solidify their bases, then they reach out to new supporters. From now to about Easter, they will be playing to bases. Don't get too upset about anything you see on Fox News or CNN from a politician in the next few months. They all are Drama Queens and are just posturing. Remember they all are masters of the half truth. You will go crazy if you take them too seriously.

[Tom]

Funny how the left keeps using that tired old phrase that the repubs will shut down the government, but TWO sides are negotiating, and the Senate is the one saying they will refuse to vote on a bill from the House if it affects nO-Care.....sound to me like the dems are the ones going to shut it down.

Remember, always question the givens the left keeps throwing out there.
They lie a lot.

[sammy the sage]

Both sides...They lie a lot.

there...that's what you meant...right ;)

[Clocker]

Funny how the left keeps using that tired old phrase that the repubs will shut down the government, but TWO sides are negotiating, and the Senate is the one saying they will refuse to vote on a bill from the House if it affects nO-Care

And if they agree on something and Obama vetoes it as threatened, he is shutting down the government. Not that that's a bad thing.

[Clocker]

In a depression, we usually see soup lines, not telephone lines.

Those were soup lines. Reports are that many people paid homeless or unemployed people to stand in line for them until the place opened.

[mostpost]

Can someone please explain to me how this is regularly predicted to happen in the "greatest nation on earth"..

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/19/news/economy/government-shutdown-what-happens/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
It is happening because there is a segment of our population who are fools. Some of them sit on the right side of the House of Representatives. Some of them post here and think that raising the debt ceiling in and of itself causes the National Debt to rise. These people are ignorant of government; ignorant of economics; ignorant of sociology and just overall ignorant. They call themselves Tea Partiers.

Not raising the debt ceiling would cause the very thing that they think they are avoiding.

[Tom]

So mostradamus, explain why Obama was dead-set against it previously.
Was he that seriously wrong about the economy back then?

[JustRalph]

The Dems voted against raising the ceiling, including Obama being against it...when the shoe was on the other foot............

funny how that works. Just like all those Dems who voted for the Iraq war, and the Dems who said they were going to bring down gas prices and it was Bush's fault gas prices were through the roof.........Duplicity!!!

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/gas-prices-presser.gif

[fast4522]

Holy Shit, time for a new face lift.

[mostpost]

So mostradamus, explain why Obama was dead-set against it previously.
Was he that seriously wrong about the economy back then?
There is a major difference between what Obama did in 2006 and what Republicans are doing in 2013. In both cases the intent is to shine a spotlight on what they consider to be flawed economic policy. The Democrats in 2006 felt certain segments of the population were not paying their fair share. Republicans in 2013 feel we are spending too much money.

The difference is that in 2006, the bill raising the debt ceiling was going to pass if no Democrats voted for it. Republicans held substantial majorities in both houses of Congress and their was a Republican president. In 2013, if Republicans do not vote for an increase in the debt ceiling, the bill will fail, the government will shut down.

Democrats in 2006 voted against raising the debt ceiling knowing that the bill would pass. Had their been any possibility of the bill being defeated causing a government shutdown, Democratic votes would have changed. We know this because we know Democrats aren't crazy. Members of the Tea Party are.

[mostpost]

Funny how the left keeps using that tired old phrase that the repubs will shut down the government, but TWO sides are negotiating, and the Senate is the one saying they will refuse to vote on a bill from the House if it affects nO-Care.....sound to me like the dems are the ones going to shut it down.

Remember, always question the givens the left keeps throwing out there.
They lie a lot.
Republicans want to repeal Obamacare. In order to repeal a law, you need a majority of both houses of Congress and the signature of the President. Republicans have a majority in the House of Representatives. They do not have a majority in the Senate. They do not have the signature of the President. Lacking those essentials, they have decided to use blackmail. The Democrats cannot acquiesce to blackmail. Blame for shutting down the government will rest solely with the Republicans.

[Mike at A+]

0bama is such a liar. He keeps saying that Republicans don't want "these people" to have health care. Speaking for myself and everyone I know, we DO want everyone to have health care. We just want them to pay for their own health care. If you give it to "them" for $100/month, I'd like to get in on that deal too because right now I am using my Social Security and/or my retirement savings to pay my health insurance premiums (which are quite a bit more than $100/month). Also, I don't want "these people" flooding the waiting room at my doctor's office paying 10% of what I am paying and getting the same product. And I don't want my kids having to take part time jobs because 0bamacare is influencing their employer to cut hours to avoid providing health care benefits. Too many goddamn freeloaders in this country being ENCOURAGED to be freeloaders by the socialist piece of crap who does nothing other than golf, vacation and give campaign speeches. ENOUGH!

[Tom]

There is a major difference between what Obama did in 2006 and what Republicans are doing in 2013.

Not the question - I asked about OBAMA and his 1-80 on this specific topic.
You are dodging the question...and with good reason. :D

[Tom]

Republicans want to repeal Obamacare. In order to repeal a law, you need a majority of both houses of Congress and the signature of the President.

Most American want it gone, too.
But you are dead wrong - they passed a bill, that would de-fund it and kill it. It now goes to the senate and the president, all nice and legal. Now the choice is for the senate and the president to ignore it and shut down the government. The house cannot shut it down - they have done their part in the process.


And might I say, nicely played.

[horses4courses]

Blame for shutting down the government will rest solely with the Republicans.

Very true.
The problem for the Americans adversely affected by the shutdown,
is that it will not affect the majority of Republicans who brought it about.
The party of "me, myself, and I" has little regard for the country as a whole.

[JustRalph]

Very true.
The problem for the Americans adversely affected by the shutdown,
is that it will not affect the majority of Republicans who brought it about.
The party of "me, myself, and I" has little regard for the country as a whole.

Republicans who don't shut it down will be targeted........six one, half dozen another

This should be interesting

[Tom]

Very true.
The problem for the Americans adversely affected by the shutdown,
is that it will not affect the majority of Republicans who brought it about.
The party of "me, myself, and I" has little regard for the country as a whole.

Hahahahaha!
This from a guy who supports the party that was going to put ALL legislation on line for public viewing for at least 5 days, then forced a vote on a bill that could not possibly have been read in the time allowed. They even bragged about having to pass it to see what was in it.

And now Obama illegally waives parts or puts off implementation of certain parts for groups who contribute to him and the dem, but refuse to cut a break for the people in general.

Seriously, you call THAT having regard for the country?

You have been sipping too much Kool Aid. The repubs are not saints by any stretch of the imagination, but the idea that they alone will shut down the government is moronic. A bill has been passed that will avoid a shut down.
The repubs have done the work of the people who elected them.
It is now in the hands of the senate and jerk.

[porchy44]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/20/republicans-it-time-to-take-your-medicine-obamacare-is-here-to-stay/

[fast4522]

Very true.
The problem for the Americans adversely affected by the shutdown,
is that it will not affect the majority of Republicans who brought it about.
The party of "me, myself, and I" has little regard for the country as a whole.

This is just civil war, expect there to be many battles.

[burnsy]

Heres an original idea.....since i'm not a supporter of either party, of course its a dream. This will never happen. Its never going to be repealed, those are "whack jobs" trying to gin up money, support and votes. How about sitting down like adults paid by us and fixing it? Every other country has fixed this..........some decades ago. Exceptionalism, yeah, these days it means we look exceptionally stupid....gotta love it. Looky here we shut down "the greatest country on earth", you do realize these morons get the best health care OUR MONEY can buy?

[HUSKER55]

there is more afoot than what we know

[fast4522]

Should a long and protracted government shutdown to occur who would suffer the most, left or right?

[Mike at A+]

Should a long and protracted government shutdown to occur who would suffer the most, left or right?
Low information voters will go along with 0bama's blather and the nonsense spewed by the likes of Oprah and blame the right.
People with an attention span will fall into two camps. Those who know that the left are to blame and say so and those who know the left is to blame but refuse to say so.

[JustRalph]

Should a long and protracted government shutdown to occur who would suffer the most, left or right?

It's happen before and it's pretty much a draw. It doesn't wield great changes in the elections. Obama says he won't negotiate and the Repubs are using tactics that are outlandish.......but....history says......

"And then comes Obama's extraordinary claim that in the history of the United States, non-budget items have never been attached to the debt ceiling. He is essentially calling Speaker John Boehner and the other GOP congressional members extortionists.

Well, according to "Fact Checker" columnist Glenn Kessler of The Washington Post, the president's claim is completely wrong. Going back decades, the debt ceiling bills have been linked to campaign-finance reform, Social Security, ending the bombing in Cambodia, voluntary school prayer, banning bussing to achieve integration, and proposing a nuclear freeze. Way back in 1982, then-Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker unleashed a free for all, allowing 1,400 non-germane amendments to the debt ceiling legislation. Kessler rightly gives Obama four Pinocchios.

Actually, in terms of renewing the government's borrowing requirement, Boehner is proposing what I would term financially related, germane amendments. Though final decisions have not yet been made, the speaker is talking about a one-year delay of Obamacare, including all taxes and regulations related to the health plan, instructions for revenue-neutral tax reform, and additional instructions for entitlement reform, all as part of a one-year extension of the debt ceiling. Only the passage of the Keystone pipeline -- a pro-growth job creator -- could be termed non-germane.

But then again, the president himself is beginning to look non-germane. He won't negotiate, and he won't compromise. Apparently, he won't even discuss.


Look for Obama's polls to keep falling as a result of his intransigence. It's a weak 2 percent economy. Job creation is actually slowing. And a large chunk of the new jobs are part-time and low-wage, largely as a functional response to Obamacare."

Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/09/21/non-germane_president_obama_120023.html#ixzz2fbaaGEW3
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Karl Rove says Independents are against a shut down. But I believe there just might be some who go along........or face the tea party

[fast4522]

Bills get paid first, all else gets in the back of the line.
The back of the line will get pissed real fast.
You have to love it.