Belmont Fall meet

[Tom]

The $64,000 question......Trakus?

[thespaah]

The $64,000 question......Trakus?
Only new thing NYRA has announced is they are rolling out new wagering machines.
Haven't seen anything regarding Trakus.

[wiffleball whizz]

Only new thing NYRA has announced is they are rolling out new wagering machines.
Haven't seen anything regarding Trakus.

Maybe they can ship the "old" machines to the MJC

[thespaah]

Maybe they can ship the "old" machines to the MJC
I never had an issue with them. Although one of my friends did say they are a little complicated when it comes to making horizontal wagers.

[thespaah]

Maybe they can ship the "old" machines to the MJC
Are theirs outdated?

[cj]

Are theirs outdated?

Only by a few decades.

[Valuist]

There's a guest on Steve Byk's show talking about betting back horses who were "against the bias" on the Saratoga turf. Other than extremely rare circumstances on the FG turf, I can't think of a grass course in North America where one wants to be wide on the turns. Funny thing about ground loss; saving ground on the grass is a universal "bias"/truth.

[the little guy]

The $64,000 question......Trakus?

Yes.

[Quagmire]

Pick 5?

[cj]

There's a guest on Steve Byk's show talking about betting back horses who were "against the bias" on the Saratoga turf. Other than extremely rare circumstances on the FG turf, I can't think of a grass course in North America where one wants to be wide on the turns. Funny thing about ground loss; saving ground on the grass is a universal "bias"/truth.

There were lots of horses during about a 10 day period at Saratoga that had little chance, and those are the ones to watch at Belmont. Possible they will be wide again of course, but it won't be a death sentence like it was at the Spa. The running lines will look bad and will inflate the odds.

[FantasticDan]

Pick 5?Unless something has come up in the last month, should be available:

http://www.drf.com/news/nyra-have-pick-five-fall-15-percent-takeout

[RunForTheRoses]

Pick 5?

I'd like to see that with a low takeout.

[Rise Over Run]

Are theirs outdated?
I made it to Laurel Park back in June for the first time since 1998, when it was my "home track" for 5+ years. The same exact machines were in place and they were probably installed in ~'95 or'96.

[cj]

I'd like to see that with a low takeout.

Yes, P5 with a 15% takeout.

From Steve Byk at Derby Trail:


"Mutuels Dept. exec Pat Mahoney confirms 15% rake P5 era begins Saturday, Opening Day at Belmont! 5 of 5 splits pool. No consos. Net pool carryovers if no winners.. Races 1-5 daily.

Should be a huge hit.."

[Tom]

Yes.

Your check is in the mail.:ThmbUp:

[Cholly]

Yes.

chiclets?

[aaron]

Only by a few decades.
I was at Belmont yesterday and tried the new machines.I was never a fan of the old machines,but must admit,the new machines seem to be pretty easy to use. As far as betting machines go,in my opinion the best machines were the old "Tiny Tim" machines.I believe the new machines will be an improvement.

[cj]

I was at Belmont yesterday and tried the new machines.I was never a fan of the old machines,but must admit,the new machines seem to be pretty easy to use. As far as betting machines go,in my opinion the best machines were the old "Tiny Tim" machines.I believe the new machines will be an improvement.

I haven't been to Belmont in a few years, was talking about the comment on the ancient Laurel machines.

[Al Gobbi]

Trakus not ready until JCGC week.

https://twitter.com/DRFGrening/status/375650408581980160

[RunForTheRoses]

Yes, P5 with a 15% takeout.

From Steve Byk at Derby Trail:


"Mutuels Dept. exec Pat Mahoney confirms 15% rake P5 era begins Saturday, Opening Day at Belmont! 5 of 5 splits pool. No consos. Net pool carryovers if no winners.. Races 1-5 daily.

Should be a huge hit.."

Great, or at least mostly. Could have been 14% isn't that California's? Also, I think I would rather have last 5 or something similar to Monmouths mid card...but still pretty cool.

[tzipi]

The new machines look nice. Saw them during Toga meet at Belmont.

[PICSIX]

There were lots of horses during about a 10 day period at Saratoga that had little chance, and those are the ones to watch at Belmont. Possible they will be wide again of course, but it won't be a death sentence like it was at the Spa. The running lines will look bad and will inflate the odds.

Could you list them for us? :lol: :lol:

[ronsmac]

I know it's a long ways off, but does anyone have any inside info whether or not Aqu. Inner will go to 4 days for the entire meet? Last yr. 5 days a week produced some really small fields.

[thespaah]

Only by a few decades.
Wow.....

[thespaah]

Yes.
Will it be ready for Saturday's opener?

[cj]

Will it be ready for Saturday's opener?

No, it was announced it won't be ready for a few weeks, but should be for the JCGC, hopefully sooner.

[cj]

Could you list them for us? :lol: :lol:

Yes, I could.

[riskman]

Yes, I could.


The man answered your question.

[Al Gobbi]

now maybe we can get realistic (lowest minimum bet amount available) payoffs for exotic wagers rather than the $2 payoffs.

[thespaah]

No, it was announced it won't be ready for a few weeks, but should be for the JCGC, hopefully sooner.
Ok...
Now. Does this system work sort of like a transponder on an aircraft?
Where there is a transmitter, I assume in the saddle cloth which sends a signal received by an antenna hooked up to a tracking system?

[Tom]

http://www.trakus.com/

Check it out - I singed up for T Net and have access a wealth of information.

[Tom]

Could you list them for us? :lol: :lol:

This sounds like a job for......SRU!

[RunForTheRoses]

now maybe we can get realistic (lowest minimum bet amount available) payoffs for exotic wagers rather than the $2 payoffs.

:ThmbUp:

LOL I hate seeing the probable payoffs or payouts and being like wow did OK (especially after making a heavy investment and getting chalky results) then must divide by 4, :mad: ouch that ain't so good.

[Tom]

chiclets?

From DRF.....
Graphically, O’Rourke said it is NYRA’s intent to keep the running order of the top-four horses on the screen, slightly above the “floating chicklets,” as they’ve become to be known, that represent all the runners in a race.

[Cholly]

From DRF.....

Chiclets are coming? Shit. Big bummer.

Cholly hates chiclets. As an annoyance, they rank up there with gas-powered leaf blowers. They're a design disaster, a visual abomination, a needless redundancy intruding onto the small screen. If saddle cloth colors, jockey silks, and the announcer's call are not enough to figure it out, attention issues are present.

They might as well take the horses off the screen entirely and just let us bet on Dot Races.

[wiffleball whizz]

I haven't been to Belmont in a few years, was talking about the comment on the ancient Laurel machines.

Either going to lrl or Delaware park tonight....

If I go to lrl I will take pics of the 3 different machines and email them to somebody who can post them

The ones with AQU BEL SAR are priceless

[thespaah]

Either going to lrl or Delaware park tonight....

If I go to lrl I will take pics of the 3 different machines and email them to somebody who can post them

The ones with AQU BEL SAR are priceless
I will PM you my email address..
This I have GOT to see.

[Stillriledup]

Could you list them for us? :lol: :lol:

No, he's under strict instructions by the bias gods to keep that stuff confidential. ;)

[Stillriledup]

This sounds like a job for......SRU!

I have my ducks in a row, im all ready to pounce.....hopefully Belmont won't be super speed favoring like it was on opening day last April, i would like to be able to bet back some horses who had no shot at the Spa.

[classhandicapper]

I was thrilled to hear about Trakus. I have a lot of ideas for using that information. Though I found it kind of ironic that it will be debuting at the NYRA track where ground loss is probably the least meaningful of the NYRA tracks.

[Cratos]

http://www.trakus.com/

Check it out - I singed up for T Net and have access a wealth of information.

I am joining you in signing up with Trakus. Also I believe if Trakus is implemented industry wide in thoroughbred racing there will be a dramatic change in how the horseracing game is played because you will have newcomers who will be delighted with the data and begin to build predictive models that do not exist today. Additionally, I believe if the Trakus venture is successful, other companies will develop electronic signal processing for horseracing data collection and distribution that will push the curve farther than Trakus has.

[cj's dad]

Complaing about the machines ??? Really ?? Use the tellers; they are 100% accurate.

[Jasonm921]

Machines were fine...although I was befuddled on where the NYRA Card slot was. Took me a few seconds. The teller lines were long while machines were readily available. Will take time for the masses to get use to.

[cj]

Here is a pic Whizz sent me of the Laurel machines...and yes, I think I used these same ones 25 years ago, and I'm not kidding.

[CincyHorseplayer]

They still have some of those at River Downs.

[thespaah]

Here is a pic Whizz sent me of the Laurel machines...and yes, I think I used these same ones 25 years ago, and I'm not kidding.
Whiz texted those to me last week. I saw them and said to myself "what in the HELL is THAT?

[classhandicapper]

The new machines at Belmont are fine once your eyes get used to the layout of the screen. Belmont is still a great place.

My only complaint about Belmont is that I have to have a good day just to afford a burger and lemonade. ;)

[Al Gobbi]

Rockingham still has a couple of both the one pictured and the one that was voucher only and Suffolk until last year had a couple that were voucher only (SUF has since added a few of the new red machines).

[ronsmac]

Here is a pic Whizz sent me of the Laurel machines...and yes, I think I used these same ones 25 years ago, and I'm not kidding.
I know those machines were there in 1992 or 1993 and maybe even before that. I lost a big voucher in those machines in 1994.

[wiffleball whizz]

Here is a pic Whizz sent me of the Laurel machines...and yes, I think I used these same ones 25 years ago, and I'm not kidding.


Trying to figure out who penn national is to have there own assigned spot on the machine......

Also what's weird is on that model machine the ticket comes out on actual paper ticket not the glossy style as the other ones have.....it's hilarious and sad at gone same time

Sportsman park is priceless

[cj]

Maybe you can bet the NASCAR races at Sportsmans!

[Tom]

That is the machine FL had years ago.

[wiffleball whizz]

That is the machine FL had years ago.


How many years Tom hahahahahahahahahahah

[cj]

Trakus is up and running!

http://www.nyra.com/belmont/handicapping/trakus/

Equibase times:
24.47, 50.50, 1:15.32, 1:40.00, 2:02.58
Trakus times:

24.56, 50.73. 1:15.49, 1:40.34, 2:02.85

Differences:

.09, .23, .17, .34, .27

[Tom]

And so it begins........

Is there place on NYRA.com to got view the data?

[the little guy]

And so it begins........

Is there place on NYRA.com to got view the data?

Yes. There is a Trakus link under both " Racing Info " and " Handicapping " on the nyra.com homepage.

[Tom]

Thanks, Andy.....looking forward to the new information!

[Show Me the Wire]

Maybe you can bet the NASCAR races at Sportsmans!

Doesn't physically exist anymore and deservedly so. :lol:

[thespaah]

Trakus is up and running!

http://www.nyra.com/belmont/handicapping/trakus/

Equibase times:
24.47, 50.50, 1:15.32, 1:40.00, 2:02.58
Trakus times:

24.56, 50.73. 1:15.49, 1:40.34, 2:02.85

Differences:

.09, .23, .17, .34, .27
I'm seeing this a bit differently..
Beginning with the second split time..Here's the actual split times.
2f to 4f....Equ 25.13..Trakus 26.17....4f to 6f...Equ 24.82 Trakus 24.76..6f to 8f..Equ 24.68 Trakus 24.85 and 8f to 10f Equ 22.58 Trakus 22.51..
Seems to me there is no real consistency of either timing device to actually make a case for one being better than the other.
The value, I think in trakus is that each horse is timed and his distance traveled is in the trakus chart.

[thespaah]

Doesn't physically exist anymore and deservedly so. :lol:
It's a Walmart now..

[thespaah]

Maybe you can bet the NASCAR races at Sportsmans!
On occasion, I bet NASCAR races on my offshore account. I bet driver vs driver matchups. I will take three matchups and parlay them. I usually get about 6 to as much as 10-1...I do fairly well at them.
Yeah, sounds like I am a degenerate gambler..Well, not really.
I bet small amounts on these things.
I used to be a pretty regular fan of NASCAR.Not so much anymore....People here in NC ask who my favorite driver is..My answer is always "the ones on which my bets are riding that week"...if it's a native Southerner who asked, I get the gasps of horror . They act like I just pissed in their morning grits. I laugh and walk away..
Oh well....Whatever blows up your skirt. I always say.
Sportsmans was knocked down quite some time ago...
Did they not at one time run the Illinois Derby there?

[thespaah]

Thanks, Andy.....looking forward to the new information!
It's really cool. Check it out.
http://www.trakus.com/portal.asp

[JustRalph]

I would imagine it might take a week to dial it in? I remember the first week at Keeneland was an adventure

[Tom]

Looking at a few races, the differences are concerning.
In a game measured in 100s of seconds, the variance between the two are not good.

Now the question is, is Trakus way off or are all the times up to now way off?
Look at the 7th race. .29 off is significant. How many Beyer points is 3/10 at 1m16?

[Tom]

OK, if you go to T-Net, you have the option of printing the sectional times. It shows in html so you can saves it and open in Excel.

[Tom]

There are lot of options at T-Net as well.....including the race replay and a blimp virtual view....all good stuff.

[Robert Fischer]

There are lot of options at T-Net as well.....including the race replay and a blimp virtual view....all good stuff.

yea. http://tnetwork.trakus.com/tnet/Login.aspx?

I especially like to use the t-charts.

[Stillriledup]

There are lot of options at T-Net as well.....including the race replay and a blimp virtual view....all good stuff.

How about a view where you can see the actual replay without graphics blocking the horse's legs? Hopefully they'll get around to showing that at some point.

[speed]

Was Trakus only at Belmont and not AQU. Just looked up and saw no trakus chicklets at Aqu

[cj]

Was Trakus only at Belmont and not AQU. Just looked up and saw no trakus chicklets at Aqu

Saw on Twitter it is "coming soon". Probably in place but they have to test it and calibrate it during racing I would imagine.

[speed]

Saw on Twitter it is "coming soon". Probably in place but they have to test it and calibrate it during racing I would imagine.
Thank You. Just read that on the NYRA site. Should have checked their first.