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wiffleball whizz
08-25-2013, 04:38 PM
Ok guys today is the last day I'll be able to post on a 24/7 basis as im not even allowed to have my phone 10 hours a day so I wanna start 1 last thread on gambling in the casino........we have a few casino employees that post here and even more posters here that have tons of knowledge in the casino area.......this thread can be a place where players can post systems brag about scores and inform people of systems and or like I've done give advice that's priceless in cards.........again the purpose of this thread is to teach people how to win,..I've said on many occasions that I'm here to help people win and not let these scummy casinos grind us into the ground....


You can be rest assured in the next 2 months I'll have tons of new poker tells I'll come across....can't wait to share them

Stillriledup
08-25-2013, 04:52 PM
Where you goin Whiz, you can't post at 3am anymore? :D

I had a roulette croupier tell me one time that she can make a ball land in a certain area, or, something like that. I think those Croupiers want customers to hit big, more tips for them.

wiffleball whizz
08-25-2013, 05:08 PM
Where you goin Whiz, you can't post at 3am anymore? :D

I had a roulette croupier tell me one time that she can make a ball land in a certain area, or, something like that. I think those Croupiers want customers to hit big, more tips for them.

Yes I heard that too.....

I think horses 4 courses could elaborate more on this......my questions to him is do dealers get written up if there staring at the wheel before they spin the ball? In Pennsylvania when I was teaching poker I would hang out in the table games area and they said that in Connecticut looking at wheel was a write up.,..is that Nevada procedure?

Stillriledup
08-25-2013, 05:09 PM
Yes I heard that too.....

I think horses 4 courses could elaborate more on this......my questions to him is do dealers get written up if there staring at the wheel before they spin the ball? In Pennsylvania when I was teaching poker I would hang out in the table games area and they said that in Connecticut looking at wheel was a write up.,..is that Nevada procedure?

Hmmmm....interesting.

horses4courses
08-25-2013, 06:05 PM
I can't go into very much detail but, yes, under certain circumstances the wheel can be beaten.
It's hold for the house, though, is close to double that of BJ. So go figure..... ;)

Dealers are, on the whole, creatures of habit.
If they constantly spin the wheel in the same manner - similar speed and direction, with the same starting point when they begin the spin, repeat numbers will start to appear on the board. Even when there aren't "repeaters" coming up, those who know the sequence of numbers on a roulette wheel can tell if the dealer is repetitive because the winning numbers are within a certain section on the wheel. It's a big edge for the player, and is known as "sectioning".

Sharp roulette players can make a killing on a sloppy dealer.
They can, also, spot a biased wheel. These can be a license to print money for "wheel sharps". Years ago, there were tales of massive scores by whales on roulette - most notably Billy Walters. Back in the 1980s/90s he employed people to scout numbers on many wheels, and then analyzed results to spot patterns. A few of the scores he made are legendary.
I haven't heard of any biased wheels in years, but it's possible some still exist.

The average player spreading chips on a roulette table have no clue what they are doing. They are hoping for a run of luck, and play right into the casinos' hands. A rare few have taken the time to study the game, and can recognize situations that give them an edge.
It's a hard game to beat, but it can be done.

wiffleball whizz
08-25-2013, 06:10 PM
I can't go into very much detail but, yes, under certain circumstances the wheel can be beaten.
It's hold for the house, though, is close to double that of BJ. So go figure..... ;)

Dealers are, on the whole, creatures of habit.
If they constantly spin the wheel in the same manner - similar speed and direction, with the same starting point when they begin the spin, repeat numbers will start to appear on the board. Even when there aren't "repeaters" coming up, those who know the sequence of numbers on a roulette wheel can tell if the dealer is repetitive because the winning numbers are within a certain section on the wheel. It's a big edge for the player, and is known as "sectioning".

Sharp roulette players can make a killing on a sloppy dealer.
They can, also, spot a biased wheel. These can be a license to print money for "wheel sharps". Years ago, there were tales of massive scores by whales on roulette - most notably Billy Walters. Back in the 1980s/90s he employed people to scout numbers on many wheels, and then analyzed results to spot patterns. A few of the scores he made are legendary.
I haven't heard of any biased wheels in years, but it's possible some still exist.

The average player spreading chips on a roulette table have no clue what they are doing. They are hoping for a run of luck, and play right into the casinos' hands. A rare few have taken the time to study the game, and can recognize situations that give them an edge.
It's a hard game to beat, but it can be done.

Great post thanks.....

Now that I know your by a keyboard .....Go put a few plays in the deltoga challenge :lol: :lol: :lol:

RunForTheRoses
08-25-2013, 06:18 PM
Here's my contribution to the thread, a joke I heard told among dealers at Harrahs Las Vegas in the employee dressing room:

Q.What is the difference between a Blackjack Dealer and a Proctolgist?

A. A Proctolgist only has to look at one asshole at a time.

horses4courses
08-25-2013, 06:21 PM
Great post thanks.....

Now that I know your by a keyboard .....Go put a few plays in the deltoga challenge :lol: :lol: :lol:

Will I get written up for watching the board??? :lol:

RunForTheRoses
08-25-2013, 06:23 PM
>>>again the purpose of this thread is to teach people how to win,

I'm sorry didn't read the whole post, unfortunately don't know much about winning, I'll see others post.

I have heard that Bingo can be a money making venture if you're into that.

What cheating stories have you heard whether employees or patrons? I have a few of those.

wiffleball whizz
08-25-2013, 06:44 PM
Just a quick system....it's 17/22 but I've been out of commission gambling in the casino hardcore

Baccarat......

Flat bet the bank to go up 4 units then go to another table....doesn't matter if it's commission or no commission per se

I used to call the player in baccarat the "penn state defense" for the casino cuz if it wasn't for the player the Asians would own the casino slamming home bank bets....

I was doing this betting 40s and if they had me stuck I'd go to 60s.....soooooo many times you walk by and it's 21-14 bank or 26-20 bank....

Sounds easy but it's very winnable....it's being in right place at right time as is everything casino related

thaskalos
08-25-2013, 06:59 PM
I have developed a system for shooting craps...which involves making don't pass and place bets in combination. This system has allowed me to win in 39 of my last 42 crap-shooting sessions.

However...I refuse to say anything more about my system...until I improve it a little more.

wiffleball whizz
08-25-2013, 07:22 PM
I have developed a system for shooting craps...which involves making don't pass and place bets in combination. This system has allowed me to win in 39 of my last 42 crap-shooting sessions.

However...I refuse to say anything more about my system...until I improve it a little more.

It's has to be more then the dont pass bet hooked up with placing the 6 and 8.....I know your above that level!!!

ManU918
08-25-2013, 07:47 PM
About 4 years ago in Baily's I went on a ridiculous run in roulette. Was at a table for 5 hours without moving. I turned $100 into $5,000... Then I hit a number with a black chip on it and the female asian dealer told me I placed the chip down after she waived which was complete bullshit. The pit boss came over who was also a woman and said she has to believe her dealer. I started getting really angry. For some reason she wouldn't go to the tape... Kept making up excuse after excuse. The other 5 people at the table kept saying we don't mind how long it takes, freeze the game (I guess when they freeze the game no one can touch anything on the table...I don't know the rule). My father happens to stroll by... I explain the situation... He pulls out his 7 stars card and says go to the tape or I'm calling my host. 10 minutes later I was paid, gave the 5 players who were playing with me at the table all a black chip for their patience, got up and I have not played roulette since.

That's my roulette story... If I ever repeat what I did that night and can do it several times after the second time, I'll let everyone in on my secret.

Tom
08-25-2013, 08:04 PM
I like blackjack, but my favorite is roulette.
Relaxing game, sit back, sip a drink, zone out watching the wheel.

horses4courses
08-25-2013, 08:06 PM
About 4 years ago in Baily's I went on a ridiculous run in roulette. Was at a table for 5 hours without moving. I turned $100 into $5,000... Then I hit a number with a black chip on it and the female asian dealer told me I placed the chip down after she waived which was complete bullshit. The pit boss came over who was also a woman and said she has to believe her dealer. I started getting really angry. For some reason she wouldn't go to the tape... Kept making up excuse after excuse. The other 5 people at the table kept saying we don't mind how long it takes, freeze the game (I guess when they freeze the game no one can touch anything on the table...I don't know the rule). My father happens to stroll by... I explain the situation... He pulls out his 7 stars card and says go to the tape or I'm calling my host. 10 minutes later I was paid, gave the 5 players who were playing with me at the table all a black chip for their patience, got up and I have not played roulette since.

That's my roulette story... If I ever repeat what I did that night and can do it several times after the second time, I'll let everyone in on my secret.

Good for you, ManU....glad it turned out right. :ThmbUp:

The pit boss was being an entire ass in that situation.
They have no right to refuse to have that play reviewed,
unless it's clear that you are taking a shot at them, or drunk, or both.

Advice to anyone in a similar situation.
If you are in Nevada (and many other US states gaming laws are similar), and you have a dispute with a casino, such as ManU's situation, that is at least a $500 claim, you are fully within your rights to lodge a complaint with Gaming Control. They will investigate it (believe me) thoroughly and impartially.
Demand to see whoever is in charge at that casino at the time, explain your situation and, if they won't resolve it to your satisfaction, ask them for the number of the Gaming Control agency for that region. They are obligated to give you that information.
Good luck!

JJMartin
08-25-2013, 08:44 PM
The way I play craps is: provided there is already another shooter at the table, just wait for a 7 to roll then place 6&8, wait for a hit on either one and then take everything down until another 7 rolls and start over. Its boring but it works pretty good.

Just don't anybody here start believing that you are going to have an edge in a casino (unless you cheat), it is mathematically impossible.

Clocker
08-25-2013, 09:04 PM
Just don't anybody here start believing that you are going to have an edge in a casino (unless you cheat), it is mathematically impossible.

In the immortal words of Mike Caro, you can't beat a game where your decisions do not affect the outcome.

Dave Schwartz
08-25-2013, 09:57 PM
Okay, I will tell you my favorite roulette stories.

I love to play roulette, although with today's minimums I rarely do.

Years ago, when you could play quarters (or even dimes, going way back), I would buy in for whatever paper change I had in my pocket up to like $5, and my goal was to win the casino.


My system was very simple:

1. In whatever the denomination was - dimes if possible - I would bury the bottom 6 numbers. Splits, corners, rows, straight up, everything. One losing spin and I am done.

2. If I get a hit I am betting everything back, but removing the number that hit. (Although I will play it back once.)

3. So, the goal is to hit one of the 6 numbers, then one of the 5 numbers, one of the remaining 4 numbers, etc.

4. With each wager I escalate the units to the next level.

5. Just to make it interesting, I holler loudly for the numbers in Chinese. (Seriously.)

Understand that I do not actually speak Chinese but somebody taught me how to say yat, yee, sam, etc.


The first time I ever played the system was 1978. I was working at Harold's Club on graveyard and took an "early out" at like 6am. Harold's was a go-for-your-own store back then, and was a solid $200 per night gig (plus the highest pay I ever received in the gaming industry; $38 per shift).

I had valet parked at Harrah's. For those who know Reno, the bus station was still across the street (where Harrah's valet is now). Instead, the valet was "on the carpet" on the left side of Center Street. Just inside the door was a $0.10 roulette game. While I was waiting for my car, I decided to play with the $2 I had in my pocket.

I smothered those numbers in dimes - LOL - as much as you can with 20 dimes, and hit one. As I recall, I now had about $7-8. I changed into quarters and immediately bet it all back, spreading a little deeper (i.e. more splits, rows, etc.) and the hit another number straight up (plus the splits, etc.)

I don't recall how much I got back on the second hit - maybe $40 or so, and changed into $1 tokens. Again I spread the entire $40, and hit the third number. As I recall, the dealers hit along with me for $36.

Now I was changed up to $5, and buried the remaining 3 (plus the bet back). BANG! The dealers had $5 straight up and I must have had $10 or more plus the splits, etc.

Long story short, I hit two more times, the last one with green straight up, splits, etc. After playing back one more time - without parlaying the whole thing above green, I cashed out like $2,500. The dealers made half as much. LOL

The real punch line is that three nights later the entire story repeated itself, with me cashing out almost $4k on a $3 buy-in.

It was several years before I won like that again, and in the meantime I must have blown back at least $80, $2-$5 at a time.


My ex-wife could not stand to go near the roulette games with me. Once we were with some out-of-town people, having dinner and a show. I went to play roulette, she told the people that they just wanted to stand over to the side because in just a couple of minutes I would be surrounded by Chinese people.

"Sam-Sop-Yee! Sam-Sop-Yee!"

Okay, maybe you had to be there.

:lol:

horses4courses
08-25-2013, 10:02 PM
Okay, I will tell you my favorite roulette stories.

I love to play roulette, although with today's minimums I rarely do.

Years ago, when you could play quarters (or even dimes, going way back), I would buy in for whatever paper change I had in my pocket up to like $5, and my goal was to win the casino.


My system was very simple:

1. In whatever the denomination was - dimes if possible - I would bury the bottom 6 numbers. Splits, corners, rows, straight up, everything. One losing spin and I am done.

2. If I get a hit I am betting everything back, but removing the number that hit. (Although I will play it back once.)

3. So, the goal is to hit one of the 6 numbers, then one of the 5 numbers, one of the remaining 4 numbers, etc.

4. With each wager I escalate the units to the next level.

5. Just to make it interesting, I holler loudly for the numbers in Chinese. (Seriously.)

Understand that I do not actually speak Chinese but somebody taught me how to say yat, yee, sam, etc.


The first time I ever played the system was 1978. I was working at Harold's Club on graveyard and took an "early out" at like 6am. Harold's was a go-for-your-own store back then, and was a solid $200 per night gig (plus the highest pay I ever received in the gaming industry; $38 per shift).

I had valet parked at Harrah's. For those who know Reno, the bus station was still across the street (where Harrah's valet is now). Instead, the valet was "on the carpet" on the left side of Center Street. Just inside the door was a $0.10 roulette game. While I was waiting for my car, I decided to play with the $2 I had in my pocket.

I smothered those numbers in dimes - LOL - as much as you can with 20 dimes, and hit one. As I recall, I now had about $7-8. I changed into quarters and immediately bet it all back, spreading a little deeper (i.e. more splits, rows, etc.) and the hit another number straight up (plus the splits, etc.)

I don't recall how much I got back on the second hit - maybe $40 or so, and changed into $1 tokens. Again I spread the entire $40, and hit the third number. As I recall, the dealers hit along with me for $36.

Now I was changed up to $5, and buried the remaining 3 (plus the bet back). BANG! The dealers had $5 straight up and I must have had $10 or more plus the splits, etc.

Long story short, I hit two more times, the last one with green straight up, splits, etc. After playing back one more time - without parlaying the whole thing above green, I cashed out like $2,500. The dealers made half as much. LOL

The real punch line is that three nights later the entire story repeated itself, with me cashing out almost $4k on a $3 buy-in.

It was several years before I won like that again, and in the meantime I must have blown back at least $80, $2-$5 at a time.


My ex-wife could not stand to go near the roulette games with me. Once we were with some out-of-town people, having dinner and a show. I went to play roulette, she told the people that they just wanted to stand over to the side because in just a couple of minutes I would be surrounded by Chinese people.

"Sam-Sop-Yee! Sam-Sop-Yee!"

Okay, maybe you had to be there.

:lol:

You go, guy! :lol:

Clocker
08-25-2013, 11:10 PM
Mike Caro's guaranteed secret roulette system.

I’m going to give you a secret roulette system that really works. It will cut the house advantage to literally nothing, if you believe in it enough to never get frustrated and switch tactics. What I’m going to say may seem strange, but here goes. First, never bet simply red or black. Also don’t bet odd or even. These are equally poor, consistently losing wagers.

Second, don’t be suckered into betting zero or double zero, despite what some experts may suggest. This may seem like you’re betting with the house, but for technical reasons you are actually betting against the house — and you are taking the worst of it.

So, in order to negate the house advantage, you MUST stick to straight non-green number bets. All odd red numbers turn out to be bad choices, based on over two trillion computer trials. Don’t bet them.

All even black numbers fare poorly, and cannot be bet, for much the same reason, which I won’t explain here.

Let’s get straight to the money-saving advice. Any bet you decide to make MUST cover only even-red or odd-black numbers. There are no exceptions.

Finally, you need to be very disciplined in excluding the number 30 and the group of consecutive numbers that begins with 11 and continues clockwise through and including 14.

This system may seem mystical, but I take gambling quite seriously, and this works for me.

wiffleball whizz
08-26-2013, 02:37 AM
Horses4courses do you think if pval walked into the Nevada gaming control board would he walk out with a casino license? Or is any drug alcohol abuse problem ok in Nevada? Only ask this cus u mentioned him in another thread today.....

Or is it basically if you don't have a gambling conviction on your record they will issue you one?!

RunForTheRoses
08-26-2013, 08:47 AM
*This was for M...'s Ballys Rouellett story, did not quote*
Good interesting story.

wiffleball whizz
08-26-2013, 09:07 AM
Anybody got any rebates/comps from horses at casinos?

Usually if you do the right thing at non harrahs properties they give u free forms and harness books

horses4courses
08-26-2013, 09:32 AM
Horses4courses do you think if pval walked into the Nevada gaming control board would he walk out with a casino license? Or is any drug alcohol abuse problem ok in Nevada? Only ask this cus u mentioned him in another thread today.....

Or is it basically if you don't have a gambling conviction on your record they will issue you one?!

I'm not sure exactly what their criteria is at the NGCB.
I know that felonies make any licensing (work permits, etc.) next to impossible.

sammy the sage
08-26-2013, 09:51 AM
similar to Dave on roulette...

just picked one of the greens and surrounded w/2 #'s each side of the wheel....small amounts...

sharp spinner will notice what you're doing and put it in there...tip very good...and let it ride 2 more times...walk away smiling...

do not go to another wheel in same establishment...until a shift change!

and for those scoffing at BJ...got ran off tables several times in vegas & reno many moons ago...

Pit boss would always come up and say re-shuffle the deck when-ever there was an increase in wager amount...was THE polite way to tell me to get lost!

RunForTheRoses
08-26-2013, 10:17 AM
Anybody got any rebates/comps from horses at casinos?

Usually if you do the right thing at non harrahs properties they give u free forms and harness books

There are a few that give you minor comps, Borgata I think if you keep going to the same teller will comp you $1 for a $100, they will also give free forms to black card holders (which I'm not). In Vegas the Sands had a pretty good comp system, I think B Gregorka took it to the Orleans, his properties were also very contest friendly.

Delaware, which you now live close to has a system where you can scan in your players card and get comped. I will be going down there at least once in a while now that football season is upon us. They also have contests for HP once a month.

BlueShoe
08-26-2013, 12:59 PM
Anybody got any rebates/comps from horses at casinos?
Quite common in many Nevada racebooks. At the Laughlin book I usually patronize, accrue comp credits at a 2 1/2% rate, ie, bet $1000 and get $25. Do not get cash back or rebates per se, can only be used for rooms, meals, gift shops, etc. For some reason, a couple of years ago could no longer use your comp credits to buy Forms, that ticked off both locals and visitors alike. The best Nevada racebook comp program I have encountered is at a small South Lake Tahoe joint. In a gimmicky deal they give you back 7% of your action in free slot machine play, but only slot play. Used skillfully, this can be very valuable. In addition there are free Forms for players. This comp program was as of last November, my last visit, unsure if it is still in effect.

wiffleball whizz
08-26-2013, 01:13 PM
Quite common in many Nevada racebooks. At the Laughlin book I usually patronize, accrue comp credits at a 2 1/2% rate, ie, bet $1000 and get $25. Do not get cash back or rebates per se, can only be used for rooms, meals, gift shops, etc. For some reason, a couple of years ago could no longer use your comp credits to buy Forms, that ticked off both locals and visitors alike. The best Nevada racebook comp program I have encountered is at a small South Lake Tahoe joint. In a gimmicky deal they give you back 7% of your action in free slot machine play, but only slot play. Used skillfully, this can be very valuable. In addition there are free Forms for players. This comp program was as of last November, my last visit, unsure if it is still in effect.


Will never forget I'm at venitian with my gf Abd she was playing cards I
Spill into the sportsbook for some meadowlans action....ask the shift manger for a meadowlans program he laughed at me....he walked away I though he was blowing me off I was steaming I go sit down

2 min layer he comes over with the sports eye for Friday and sat(now harness eye/harness version of drf) and sat daily racing form I was in disbelief about $22 in racing forms!!

Now that's customer service!!!

Yes I'm a black card holder at borgata they give free books out but Ceasers/harrahs u need to be 7 star I'm "only" diamomd


ManU made mention before that they were giving him the runaround going to survaillence cuz he had a minor dispute then
His father showed 7 starts card and it got taken care of......that's so true all they care about is pleasing there 7 star members

Valuist
08-26-2013, 02:16 PM
Whiffleball-

Are you still gonna hold an NFL handicapping contest?

BlueShoe
08-26-2013, 02:31 PM
In Vegas the Sands had a pretty good comp system, I think B Gregorka took it to the Orleans, his properties were also very contest friendly.
How time flies, the Sands closed in 1996. Their racebook was my usual LV haunt for many years. It was nothing special, in fact rather nondescript, but as mentioned, had a good comp system, had a nodding acquaintance with Bob G., and just plain liked the place. Once saw the Rat Pack in the Copa Room. Every trip to Las Vegas and the Sands would obtain a coupon for a free coffee mug, the Sands must have given away tens of thousands of them over the years. Still have four or five of them, the rest gave away to friends. One of them is still in everyday use as my #1 coffee cup. Now I see the darn things offered on Ebay for 5 bucks. :eek: :D

RunForTheRoses
08-26-2013, 02:46 PM
How time flies, the Sands closed in 1996. Their racebook was my usual LV haunt for many years. It was nothing special, in fact rather nondescript, but as mentioned, had a good comp system, had a nodding acquaintance with Bob G., and just plain liked the place. Once saw the Rat Pack in the Copa Room. Every trip to Las Vegas and the Sands would obtain a coupon for a free coffee mug, the Sands must have given away tens of thousands of them over the years. Still have four or five of them, the rest gave away to friends. One of them is still in everyday use as my #1 coffee cup. Now I see the darn things offered on Ebay for 5 bucks. :eek: :D

I may have met you back then. It was a fun place though not really nice.

Here's some pics of closing day:

http://www.socala.com/sands/

And an article about said day:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/1996/may/20/sands-says-goodbye/

wiffleball whizz
08-26-2013, 02:49 PM
Whiffleball-

Are you still gonna hold an NFL handicapping contest?

Yes I'm going to redue the format looking back it was worded very bad now I have acess to spread sheets and whatnot....gonna have the same look as the deltoga challenge.....just thinking how I'm gonn work the prizes

Also wondering if people want to have a nfl handicapping contest or a football handicapping contest with both nlf sides and totals and college sides and totals...

But whatever it is it's gonna be 7 selections Witt 2 best bets

I need help on what to do when the line opens off the board I'm a little puzzled with this concept.....I don't want to make it a pickem if the lines 7 but I don't want people to be shut out of the game either

Any suggestions would be nice

Prizes will be for at least weeks 1-9 and 10-17 and the overall winner,,,,,

$200 overall
$100 first half
$100 2nd half
$50 most best bets or sometimg along these lines

I promise it will be the best football pool you ever played

wiffleball whizz
08-26-2013, 02:50 PM
Whiffleball-

Are you still gonna hold an NFL handicapping contest?

Yes I'm going to redue the format looking back it was worded very bad now I have acess to spread sheets and whatnot....gonna have the same look as the deltoga challenge.....just thinking how I'm gonn work the prizes

Also wondering if people want to have a nfl handicapping contest or a football handicapping contest with both nlf sides and totals and college sides and totals...

But whatever it is it's gonna be 7 selections Witt 2 best bets

I need help on what to do when the line opens off the board I'm a little puzzled with this concept.....I don't want to make it a pickem if the lines 7 but I don't want people to be shut out of the game either

Any suggestions would be nice

Prizes will be for at least weeks 1-9 and 10-17 and the overall winner,,,,,

$200 overall
$100 gift card 1st half
$100 gift card 2nd half
$50 most best bets or sometimg along these lines

I promise it will be the best football pool you ever played

BlueShoe
08-27-2013, 05:12 PM
Interesting in that a few earlier posts spoke of an interest in roulette. The standard American double zero wheel has a horrible 5.26% house advantage, and is considered by most savvy gamblers as an awful unbeatable game, and never go near it. Perhaps if we imitated our European friends and installed the single zero wheel with the en prison rule, which reduces the house pc to a more reasonable 1.35%, the game might be considered playable. There are a few such wheels in the USA, but they almost always have a very high minimun bet, $100 is usual.

Funny is it not? We horseplayers buck a house take of 15 to as high as 30%, which we feel can be overcome by skill, yet usually consider a casino table game with an edge of just over 5% as unacceptable, since only rarely does skill and wise decisions make a difference.

wiffleball whizz
08-27-2013, 05:26 PM
Depending on the casino there are some single zero wheels out there usually in the pits.....

I dont play the game but in Atlantic city any outside even money bet if zero or double zero come Out you get half your money back....

I walk by sometimes and shake my head when
I see people playing "white ball"

BlueShoe
08-27-2013, 06:06 PM
Depending on the casino there are some single zero wheels out there usually in the pits.....

I dont play the game but in Atlantic city any outside even money bet if zero or double zero come Out you get half your money back.
Better than the standard double zero wheels, but still without the en prison rule. The house pc on the single zero game is still a high 2.7%, very tough to overcome even with a good system and skill.

Dave Schwartz
08-27-2013, 06:13 PM
Better than the standard double zero wheels, but still without the en prison rule. The house pc on the single zero game is still a high 2.7%, very tough to overcome even with a good system and skill.

... but far better than horse racing for most players. Or, for that matter, sports betting or slots.

wiffleball whizz
08-27-2013, 06:26 PM
... but far better than horse racing for most players. Or, for that matter, sports betting or slots.

I agree Dave.....people on this forum talk like the casino is really a rip off when it's odds wise so much more fair....

But it evens out a little bit cuz there is the bozo factor with betting against other people.......I would say 85 percent of the members here would have a better chance playing roulette for a living then horses......though we do have members of this forum that prob drive around in 90k sports cars from prying on the squares in various horse wagering pools....just know anybody that makes a living off horse betting I seriously envy you :ThmbUp:

wiffleball whizz
08-27-2013, 06:34 PM
I think thaskalos would appreciate this post and it's no stereotyping on his greek ancestory

The past 4 nights we've been playing a ton of "Greek games" at my house.....crazy poker games....5 card Omaha 2 rows....triple row holdem all kinds of games I used to play at Greek clubs and I'm picking my roommates apart......they think there the second version of scarny but I've been exposing them.....the Stakes have been $1-$15 at any time....great action

Has anybody here ever played or gambled at Greek social clubs cus the action there is as good as any casino.......the cross, pyramids, 7 and up where they take all the 2s-6s out of the deck......

Also met a few guys at a bar the other night that like to play kuncan......great action and if there not railroading me I should pound them into
The ground

Who needs the casino or racetracks!!!

RaceBookJoe
08-27-2013, 07:09 PM
I have always enjoyed Baccarat as my main casino game, sit down and relax. Craps can be fun but too crowded at times. There used to be a couple of sit down half-crap tables in town, don't think there are any more though. Roulette is also another one I will mellow out with.

BlueShoe
08-27-2013, 07:28 PM
I agree Dave.....people on this forum talk like the casino is really a rip off when it's odds wise so much more fair...
It is, and the odds are not fairer, for a very logical reason. That reason is the churn, or turnover, or action, whatever terminology you wish. Casino action is much, much faster than playing the horses. One week of steady casino play will generate more decisions than will an entire year at the track. Even sticking to the lowest house edge games, such as craps line bets, baccarat, perfect basic strategy blackjack, and single zero en prison roulette compounds over a long period of time. That 1.4% pc on pass line wagers at the craps table, over a long period of time, will be more costly than carefully selected spot plays on the ponies, which can be profitable for skillful players.

wiffleball whizz
08-27-2013, 08:50 PM
Just for the record I've been working in casinos since 2006 and gambling in them since 1999 and this is the first time I've ever heard the phrase en prison roulette.........just another example of how good this board and forum is......PA the owner should be very proud of his creation of this....

Really is mindboggling the overall knowledge is here.....and I can't believe I never heard of this

thaskalos
08-27-2013, 09:22 PM
I think thaskalos would appreciate this post and it's no stereotyping on his greek ancestory

The past 4 nights we've been playing a ton of "Greek games" at my house.....crazy poker games....5 card Omaha 2 rows....triple row holdem all kinds of games I used to play at Greek clubs and I'm picking my roommates apart......they think there the second version of scarny but I've been exposing them.....the Stakes have been $1-$15 at any time....great action

Has anybody here ever played or gambled at Greek social clubs cus the action there is as good as any casino.......the cross, pyramids, 7 and up where they take all the 2s-6s out of the deck......

Also met a few guys at a bar the other night that like to play kuncan......great action and if there not railroading me I should pound them into
The ground

Who needs the casino or racetracks!!!

Oh...the good old days...:ThmbUp:

You reminded me of my youth...when I was arrested at the tender age of 19 -- along with some other, much older delinquents -- for participating in a game of barbouti which was held an an underground Greek "social club" in Chicago's Greektown.

Dave Schwartz
08-27-2013, 09:23 PM
...first time I've ever heard the phrase en prison roulette

Same for me.

I assume that means if a 0 (or 00, if applicable in the game) comes up (the money stays for a second spin instead of being lost.

As I recall, there might have been some of that in Europe 3+ decades ago, but I don't think I ever saw such a game.

RaceBookJoe
08-27-2013, 09:32 PM
Same for me.

I assume that means if a 0 (or 00, if applicable in the game) comes up (the money stays for a second spin instead of being lost.

As I recall, there might have been some of that in Europe 3+ decades ago, but I don't think I ever saw such a game.

That's how I have always understood it. Also, you don't hear Chemin de Fer much for Baccarat.

Dave Schwartz
08-27-2013, 09:46 PM
Chemy is actually a slightly different game as I remember. The rules are flexible on six, as I recall.

However, I must admit I have not been to Monte Carlo since I was like 17.

BlueShoe
08-28-2013, 12:00 AM
I assume that means if a 0 (or 00, if applicable in the game) comes up (the money stays for a second spin instead of being lost.
Correct. In some casinos the option of surrendering half of the wager may be offered. This game is popular in European casinos, including the famed one in Monte Carlo. According to European visitors to Las Vegas, they are horrified by the greedy American double zero wheel and it's four times as much house advantage and rarely will play it. Disclaimer--Have never played a single spin of single zero roulette with the en prison feature. Have never been to Europe, and most surely cannot afford the $100 minimun bets in the high limit salons of the Las Vegas clubs that offer this version. :( :D
www.onlinecasinoexpert.com/roulette-en-prison (http://www.onlinecasinoexpert.com/roulette-en-prison)

ReplayRandall
10-24-2016, 02:59 PM
I recently went with the wife to Harrah's Cherokee, here in North Carolina. The casino has 6 roulette tables, and I love looking for biases and sloppy dealers. All 6 tables were going, the place was packed, and I was notating the last 15 numbers shown by the roulette number trees that were lit up, as a quick starting point to possibly find something. I will share a trial size summary program of what I look for:

Roulette Wheel Bias This example is for an American wheel. Using 3 Standard Deviations for confidence of 99.7%.

If we are looking for a single number bias:

With 500 spins, we need a number to hit at least 24 times instead of the expected 13 times (82% more), to conclude a bias with >99.7% confidence.

With 3000 spins we need a number to hit at least 105 times instead of the expected 79 times (33% more), to conclude a bias with >99.7% confidence.


But if we are looking for a section bias,(this is my main play)we don't need as large of a sample. For a section of 5 adjacent pockets:

With 50 spins, we need the section to hit at least 14 times instead of the expected 6.6 times (109% more), to conclude a bias with >99.7% confidence.

With 300 spins, we need the section to hit at least 57 times instead of the expected 39 times (44% more), to conclude a bias with >99.7% confidence.


If anyone has something to share involving roulette, or any other casino game that they love to attack with a methodology, feel free to share as I have.